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Post by glider on Jan 5, 2017 23:36:50 GMT -5
JackI read a Nick interview that came out around the time of the other two reissues in which he said the band had one or two unreleased tracks recorded along with others (presumably Catching the Butterfly, Rolling People, and Come On) at Olympic studios in early '97. I'll retrieve it later. I assume those two tracks have a chance of making the cut or being relegated to a Japanese bonus track.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 6, 2017 0:47:08 GMT -5
Jack I read a Nick interview that came out around the time of the other two reissues in which he said the band had one or two unreleased tracks recorded along with others (presumably Catching the Butterfly, Rolling People, and Come On) at Olympic studios in early '97. I'll retrieve it later. I assume those two tracks have a chance of making the cut or being relegated to a Japanese bonus track. I'm pretty sure that one of those UH outtakes is called All Ways Are Maybes, which was first mentioned here. Can't remember where I heard that it's from the UH era but I'm 67% sure that it is. Also, didn't Brian Cannon say that Snakeskin wasn't really a proper song? Maybe that's why it was left off the ASIH reissue. EDIT: Here is where a Verve forum moderator describes Snakeskin as "'very bizarre', about 45 seconds long cut with Richard's voice from some interview or other and Sobbo leaving an answer machine message." EDIT 2: Here is where All Ways Are Maybes is (implicitly) mentioned as a contender for the UH reissue (go to page 7). And now we've got Nick McCabe praising it along with Jazz Summers saying that it could have been a single! Let's try not to overhype the song though, it might become the next Stop the Clocks! |
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Post by Jack on Jan 6, 2017 1:04:52 GMT -5
Jack I read a Nick interview that came out around the time of the other two reissues in which he said the band had one or two unreleased tracks recorded along with others (presumably Catching the Butterfly, Rolling People, and Come On) at Olympic studios in early '97. I'll retrieve it later. I assume those two tracks have a chance of making the cut or being relegated to a Japanese bonus track. I'm pretty sure that one of those UH outtakes is called All Ways Are Maybes, which was first mentioned here. Can't remember where I heard that it's from the UH era but I'm 67% sure that it is. Also, didn't Brian Cannon say that Snakeskin wasn't really a proper song? Maybe that's why it was left off the ASIH reissue. EDIT: Here is where a Verve forum moderator describes Snakeskin as "'very bizarre', about 45 seconds long cut with Richard's voice from some interview or other and Sobbo leaving an answer machine message." Yeah, that's the name of the song I was thinking of. Also, there's only 5 copies of 'Snakeskin', so presumably they weren't able to retrieve it, or it was just an unworthy tune. |
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Post by glider on Jan 6, 2017 2:07:58 GMT -5
mystoryisgoryThat musicradar article was indeed the one I'm referring to. There's definitely a chance we will be hearing AWAM as well as another song. I never looked into Snakeskin as much but it's still something I want to hear! 
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Post by glider on Jan 6, 2017 14:52:48 GMT -5
Speculation time. CD1 (Remastered Album)
01 Bittersweet Symphony
02 Sonnet
03 The Rolling People
04 The Drugs Don't Work
05 Catching the Butterfly
06 Neon Wilderness
07 Space and Time
08 Weeping Willow
09 Lucky Man
10 One Day
11 This Time
12 Velvet Morning
13 Come On [with hidden track 'Deep Freeze']
CD2 (Remastered B-Sides) 01 Lord I Guess I'll Never Know
02 Country Song
03 So Sister
04 Echo Bass
05 Three Steps
06 The Crab
07 Stamped
08 Never Wanna See You Cry
09 History [5:08]
10 MSG
11 The Longest Day
12 Lucky Man [Happiness More or Less]
13 Bittersweet Symphony [Radio Edit]
14 Bittersweet Symphony [Extended]
15 Bittersweet Symphony [James Lavelle Remix]
16 Bittersweet Symphony [JL Instrumental Remix]
CD3 (Demos, Outtakes) 01 The Drugs Don't Work
02 Sonnet
03 Space and Time
04 Bittersweet Symphony
05 This Could Be My Moment
06 Lord, I Guess I'll Never Know
07 Oh Sister [aka So Sister]
08 All Ways Are Maybes
09 Monte Carlo
10 Untitled [Unreleased Jam]
11 Open The Skies
12 C'mon People [We're Making It Now]
13 Open The Skies
14 Catching The Butterfly [Early Mix]
15 Jerusalem [Instrumental]
16 Country Song
17 The Drugs Don't Work [Alt.]
DVD/Blu-Ray (Live at Haigh Hall, Wigan, UK 1998 / Music Videos)01 This Is Music
02 Space And Time
03 Catching The Butterfly
04 Sonnet
05 The Rolling People
06 Weeping Willow (including Neon Wilderness)
07 The Drugs Don't Work
08 Lucky Man
09 Velvet Morning
10 Life's An Ocean
11 Bittersweet Symphony
12 One Day
13 History
14 Come On
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01 Bittersweet Symphony
02 The Drugs Don't Work
03 Lucky Man [UK version]
04 Lucky Man [US version]
05 Sonnet Here's my refined speculatory list. For CD3 I condensed it to represent more Verve tracks rather than the Ashcroft acoustic demos. Untitled is potentially the 2nd unreleased track recorded the same day as 'All Ways Are Maybes' (which has been included), Catching The Butterfly potentially has a rough mix from that day as well. Country Song will be the Northern Soul era demo, as while it isn't exactly demoed in this era, it was omitted from the ANS reissue. The only track that appeared on Alone With Everybody is C'mon People which was originally a full band demo minus McCabe. I enjoy the demo and suggest it should have a place on CD3. Monte Carlo was indeed properly mixed and retailed with the Verve single collection in 2004 but as far as I'm concerned it's just as much a '96 era Verve tune and part of the UH timeline. I also added the music videos for the DVD/Blu-Ray whatnot. CD3 may seem underwhelming as most of it is still a Verve minus Nick affair but hopefully we will get two new never before heard jams/tracks when he rejoined. |
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Post by carlober on Jan 8, 2017 16:07:42 GMT -5
The radio sessions tracks on the two reissues are just incredible.
Nick McCabe... what a fucking wizard!
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Post by glider on Jan 8, 2017 16:14:11 GMT -5
The radio sessions tracks on the two reissues are just incredible. Nick McCabe... what a fucking wizard! Love all the live sessions from 1993 and the Radio 1 sessions in 1995. The Radio 1 live version of Life's An Ocean is my favorite rendition of that song aside from Nick's 'Life Is Not A Rehearsal' remix. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 8, 2017 17:10:12 GMT -5
It's ridiculous how Nick has basically been outcast from mainstream music. Imagine what he could do for Noels solo albums for example, or Gorillaz, BRMC etc.
The Verve should have never split up, period. Imagine the amount of amazing music they could have created together in the last ten years.
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Post by glider on Jan 9, 2017 0:34:54 GMT -5
It's ridiculous how Nick has basically been outcast from mainstream music. Imagine what he could do for Noels solo albums for example, or Gorillaz, BRMC etc. The Verve should have never split up, period. Imagine the amount of amazing music they could have created together in the last ten years. Always wondered what a Urban Hymns follow up album would sound like. I read an interview where Nick said he wasn't the biggest fan of ASIH around the time UH came out, something about growing up and making more mature sounds, so there's a chance the follow up would've been more of the acoustic balladry with hints of psychedelic soundscapes thanks to him. Nevertheless they would've dominated the 2000s. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 9, 2017 19:13:50 GMT -5
It's ridiculous how Nick has basically been outcast from mainstream music. Imagine what he could do for Noels solo albums for example, or Gorillaz, BRMC etc. The Verve should have never split up, period. Imagine the amount of amazing music they could have created together in the last ten years. Always wondered what a Urban Hymns follow up album would sound like. I read an interview where Nick said he wasn't the biggest fan of ASIH around the time UH came out, something about growing up and making more mature sounds, so there's a chance the follow up would've been more of the acoustic balladry with hints of psychedelic soundscapes thanks to him. Nevertheless they would've dominated the 2000s. Hopefully it would've sounded like this instead of fucking Alone with Everybody. I still can't decide if I prefer this version or the album version. |
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Post by glider on Jan 11, 2017 15:35:10 GMT -5
Always wondered what a Urban Hymns follow up album would sound like. I read an interview where Nick said he wasn't the biggest fan of ASIH around the time UH came out, something about growing up and making more mature sounds, so there's a chance the follow up would've been more of the acoustic balladry with hints of psychedelic soundscapes thanks to him. Nevertheless they would've dominated the 2000s. Hopefully it would've sounded like this instead of fucking Alone with Everybody. I still can't decide if I prefer this version or the album version. One of my all time favorite Verve songs so it naturally blends well into a acoustic mix. Nothing beats the album version though! That reverse quadraverb and echo! Bliss.  |
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Post by StepOut on May 25, 2017 12:10:15 GMT -5
Urban Hymns is out this September.
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Post by mystoryisgory on May 25, 2017 15:46:00 GMT -5
Urban Hymns is out this September. Where'd you see this? A quick internet search brings up nothing.... |
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Post by StepOut on May 26, 2017 22:34:07 GMT -5
Urban Hymns is out this September. Where'd you see this? A quick internet search brings up nothing.... Check the Official Verve Facebook page. There's a post about it. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 6, 2017 10:09:54 GMT -5
The track-listing of each of the four formats is:
Standard CD remastered album:
1. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’
2. ‘Sonnet’
3. ‘The Rolling People’
4. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’
5. ‘Catching The Butterfly’
6. ‘Neon Wilderness’
7. ‘Space And Time’
8. ‘Weeping Willow’
9. ‘Lucky Man’
10. ‘One Day’
11. ‘This Time’
12. ‘Velvet Morning’
13. ‘Come On’
2CD deluxe
CD1
1. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’
2. ‘Sonnet’
3. ‘The Rolling People’
4. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’
5. ‘Catching The Butterfly’
6. ‘Neon Wilderness’
7. ‘Space And Time’
8. ‘Weeping Willow’
9. ‘Lucky Man’
10. ‘One Day’
11. ‘This Time’
12. ‘Velvet Morning’
13. ‘Come On’
CD2 – Live 1997/98 – ALL UNRELEASED
Tracks 1-11 from Haigh Hall concert – May 24, 1998
1. ‘This Is Music’
2. ‘Space And Time’
3. ‘Catching The Butterfly’
4. ‘Sonnet’
5. ‘The Rolling People’
6. ‘Weeping Willow’
7. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’
8. ‘Lucky Man’
9. ‘Life’s An Ocean’
10. ‘Velvet Morning’
11. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’
12. ‘A New Decade’ – Washington DC 9.30 Club (3/11/97)
13. ‘History’ – Brixton Academy (16/1/98
14. ‘Slide Away’ – Manchester Academy (11/8/97)
Super Deluxe (Remastered) Version – 5CD/1DVD
CD1
1. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’
2. ‘Sonnet’
3. ‘The Rolling People’
4. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’
5. ‘Catching The Butterfly’
6. ‘Neon Wilderness’
7. ‘Space And Time’
8. ‘Weeping Willow’
9. ‘Lucky Man’
10. ‘One Day’
11. ‘This Time’
12. ‘Velvet Morning’
13. ‘Come On’
CD2
B-sides
1. ‘Lord I Guess I’ll Never Know’
2. ‘Country Song’
3. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’ (James Lavelle Remix)
4. ‘So Sister’
5. ‘Echo Bass’
6. ‘Three Steps’
7. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’ – original demo
8. ‘The Crab’
9. ‘Stamped’
10. ‘Never Wanna See You Cry’
11. ‘(Bitter Sweet Symphony) MSG’
12. ‘The Longest Day’
13. ‘Lucky Man’ (Happiness More or Less)
CD3
B-sides (cont.) + 2 session tracks issued in 2004*
1. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’ (extended version)
2. ‘This Could Be My Moment’
3. ‘Monte Carlo’ – BBC Evening session 27/8/97
4. ‘Life’s An Ocean’
5. ‘A Man Called Sun’
6. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’
7. ‘On Your Own’
8. ‘So Sister’
CD4
Live at Haigh Hall 24/5/98
1. ‘This Is Music’
2. ‘Space And Time’
3. ‘Catching The Butterfly’
4. ‘Sonnet’
5. ‘The Rolling People’
6. ‘Neon Wilderness’
7. ‘Weeping Willow’
8. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’
9. ‘Lucky Man’
10. ‘Life’s an Ocean’
11. ‘Velvet Morning’
12. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’
CD5
Haigh Hall Encore:
1. ‘One Day’
2. ‘History’
3. ‘Come On’
4. ‘A New Decade’ – Washington DC 9.30 Club (3/11/97)
5. ‘The Rolling People’ – Brixton Academy (16/1/98)
6. ‘On Your Own’ – Brixton Academy (16/1/98)
7. ‘History’ – Brixton Academy (16/1/98)
8. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’ – Washington DC 9.30 Club (3/11/97)
9. ‘Slide Away’ – Manchester Academy (11/8/97)
10. ‘A Man Called Sun’ – Washington DC 9.30 Club (3/11/97)
11. ‘A Northern Soul’ – Washington DC 9.30 Club (3/11/97)
12. ‘Space And Time’ – Brixton Academy (16/1/98)
13. ‘This Is Music – Manchester Academy (11/8/97)
14. ‘Weeping Willow’ – Washington DC 9.30 Club (3/11/97)
15. ‘Stormy Clouds’ (and Reprise) – Manchester Academy (11/8/97) 7.24
DVD
The Video 1996-1998
Later with Jools Holland – 01/11/97
1. ‘Lucky Man’
2. ‘Life’s An Ocean’
3. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’
4. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’
Live at Haigh Hall
1. ‘This Is Music’
2. ‘Space And Time’
3. ‘Catching The Butterfly’
4. ‘Sonnet’
5. ‘The Rolling People’
6. ‘Neon Wilderness’
7. ‘Weeping Willow’
8. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’
9. ‘Lucky Man’
10. ‘Life’s An Ocean’
11. ‘Velvet Morning’
12. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’
13. ‘One Day’
14. ‘History’
15. ‘Come On’
The promo videos:
‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’
‘The Drugs Don’t Work’
‘Lucky Man’
‘Lucky Man’ (US version)
‘Sonnet’
4) VINYL BOX SET
DOUBLE LP1
Remastered album
Side 1
1. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’
2. ‘Sonnet’
3. ‘The Rolling People’
Side 2
4. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’
5. ‘Catching The Butterfly
6. ‘Neon Wilderness’
Side 3
7. ‘Space and Time’
8. ‘Weeping Willow’
9. ‘Lucky Man’
10. ‘One Day’
Side 4
11. ‘This Time’
12. ‘Velvet Morning’
13. ‘Come On’
DOUBLE LP2
B-sides, session tracks issued in 2004* Side 1
1. ‘Lord I Guess I’ll Never Know’
2. ‘Country Song’
3. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’ (James Lavelle Remix)
4. ‘So Sister’
Side 2
5. ‘Echo Bass’
6. ‘Three Steps’
7. ‘The Crab’
8. ‘Stamped’
Side 3
9. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’ – original demo
10. ‘Never Wanna See You Cry’
11. ‘(Bitter Sweet Symphony) MSG’
12. ‘The Longest Day’
Side 4
13. ‘Lucky Man’ (Happiness More Or Less)
14. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’ (extended version)
15. ‘This Could Be My Moment’
16. ‘Monte Carlo’
DOUBLE LP3
Live at Haigh Hall
Side 1
1. ‘This Is Music’
2. ‘Space And Time’
3. ‘Catching The Butterfly’
4. ‘Sonnet’
Side 2
5. ‘The Rolling People’
6. ‘Neon Wilderness’
7. ‘Weeping Willow’
8. ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’
9. ‘Lucky Man’
Side 3
10. ‘Life’s An Ocean’
11. ‘Velvet Morning ‘
12. ‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’
Side 4
13. ‘One Day’
14. ‘History’
15. ‘Come On’
MPU 3 (Desktop / Tablet)
D2C 12” SINGLE
A
‘Bitter Sweet Symphony’ – Alt. Version
B
‘The Drugs Don’t Work’ – Washington DC 9.30 Club (3/11/97)
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Post by Manualex on Jul 6, 2017 10:39:16 GMT -5
So nothing new from the vaults this time?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 6, 2017 10:41:23 GMT -5
So nothing new from the vaults this time? I think the "vault" stuff ended up on Richards debut solo album. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jul 6, 2017 11:09:11 GMT -5
Well, this is rather frustrating. The reissue that I was looking forward to most and hoping would include All Ways Are Maybes and the complete set of Urban Hymns demos contains neither nor anything we haven't heard before. Very disappointing. Perhaps Richard vetoed the inclusion of the Urban Hymns demos because they include superior versions of his solo work?
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Post by carlober on Jul 6, 2017 11:25:05 GMT -5
A bit disappointing to be honest.
I'm sure the live versions will be great but I was hoping for more unreleased demos & songs.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 6, 2017 11:37:58 GMT -5
This will be the Stones best selling album of 2017.
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Post by glider on Jul 6, 2017 15:15:58 GMT -5
Lame. Fuck Ashcroft for this. Nick and co. had a good chunk of unreleased tracks to release too that I was looking forward too.
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Post by glider on Jul 6, 2017 15:18:17 GMT -5
Haha 5CD Boxset with a DVD and CD3 CD4 and CD5 nothing but tracks we've heard already and alot of live performances? Unbelievable. Keep it Rich.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jul 7, 2017 16:51:59 GMT -5
I hate that the 2CD version has the live gig instead of the b-sides, meaning you have to pay a shitload more to get those 10 songs.
I really like how Oasis management handled that with Chasing the Sun - all the b-sides on the moderately priced 2CD version feels like less of a cash grab.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 2, 2017 12:27:50 GMT -5
So the Urban reissue is out. Does anyone actually care? Nothing really in there we don't already have. The previous ones were much much better.
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