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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 18, 2016 10:34:54 GMT -5
This is one of my favourite songs of the last decade: And the album he's just released with Unloved ('Guilty Of Love') is a real joy as well. Would definitely recommend it. Noel's new record should sound well produced if nothing else. This could be interesting and Noel is clearly, desperately trying to sound like his 80s heroes. Not sure if that sound fits the song he usually writes, but the new ones maybe... the songs will have to be strong though coz Noel cant put an album of 11 eleven dancey tunes, his voice sin't strong enough for those. Have you even HEARD his voice on Ballad Of The Mighty I? |
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Post by andymorris on Apr 18, 2016 10:43:49 GMT -5
This could be interesting and Noel is clearly, desperately trying to sound like his 80s heroes. Not sure if that sound fits the song he usually writes, but the new ones maybe... the songs will have to be strong though coz Noel cant put an album of 11 eleven dancey tunes, his voice sin't strong enough for those. Have you even HEARD his voice on Ballad Of The Mighty I? Yeah, it's the shittiest song he's ever produced. I havent listened to that song ever since it came out. If noel goes that route, i'm done. the melody is shit and lazy, and the sound is atrocious. He's already tried to be dancey on this record, and one year on, it's clearly one of his weakest record. Let's not make the same mistake twice. |
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Post by mossy on Apr 18, 2016 10:58:56 GMT -5
If it's the same producer, David Holmes did the score and music for the oceans trilogy, could be interesting. It is. Now hurry up Noel, a little less conversation and a little more action please. |
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Post by matt on Apr 18, 2016 11:23:55 GMT -5
This is one of my favourite songs of the last decade: And the album he's just released with Unloved ('Guilty Of Love') is a real joy as well. Would definitely recommend it. Noel's new record should sound well produced if nothing else. This could be interesting and Noel is clearly, desperately trying to sound like his 80s heroes. Not sure if that sound fits the song he usually writes, but the new ones maybe... the songs will have to be strong though coz Noel cant put an album of 11 eleven dancey tunes, his voice sin't strong enough for those. Ah well, that means he's actually progressed twenty years on from all the stodgy 60s pastiche crap that inflicted latter Oasis and most of High Flying Birds. |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Apr 18, 2016 11:32:30 GMT -5
Have you even HEARD his voice on Ballad Of The Mighty I? Yeah, it's the shittiest song he's ever produced. I havent listened to that song ever since it came out. If noel goes that route, i'm done. the melody is shit and lazy, and the sound is atrocious. He's already tried to be dancey on this record, and one year on, it's clearly one of his weakest record. Let's not make the same mistake twice. You're the one who compared the song to Katy Perry, aren't you? |
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Post by matt on Apr 18, 2016 11:34:02 GMT -5
*sigh* Eno next time then. Seriously though, I'm not too sure how to feel about this. I thought Chasing Yesterday was produced excellently. Maybe it shows this album reaches further sonically (sorry for that word, it's better than texturally though) than that one, and he feels a "real" producer is needed for it? You a fan of David Holmes? Thought you'd be delighted at this personally as I do feel it indicates a direction that many of us here (including yourself) have been urging him to take. The Holy Pictures is a great album (that's all I've got from him) and he even has a collaboration with Jon Hopkins at the end of the album. I am fairly sure he's said the new songs sound completely different and confirming Holmes as producer heightens that expectations further (though as we all know, we've been here before). I do harbour hopes (very ambitious hopes as this IS Noel...) that David Holmes would be to Noel what Jon Hopkins has been to Coldplay (STILL waiting for them to see sense and let him solely produce an entire album of theirs) or Eno to U2. You know, taking great but conventional songwriters and taking their craft to a further creative level. |
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Post by matt on Apr 18, 2016 11:37:16 GMT -5
Nobody in their right mind would want an album full of Lock All The Doors - surely Holmes wouldn't produce such midlife crisis rock?
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 18, 2016 12:00:35 GMT -5
*sigh* Eno next time then. Seriously though, I'm not too sure how to feel about this. I thought Chasing Yesterday was produced excellently. Maybe it shows this album reaches further sonically (sorry for that word, it's better than texturally though) than that one, and he feels a "real" producer is needed for it? You a fan of David Holmes? Thought you'd be delighted at this personally as I do feel it indicates a direction that many of us here (including yourself) have been urging him to take. The Holy Pictures is a great album (that's all I've got from him) and he even has a collaboration with Jon Hopkins at the end of the album. I am fairly sure he's said the new songs sound completely different and confirming Holmes as producer heightens that expectations further (though as we all know, we've been here before). I do harbour hopes (very ambitious hopes as this IS Noel...) that David Holmes would be to Noel what Jon Hopkins has been to Coldplay (STILL waiting for them to see sense and let him solely produce an entire album of theirs) or Eno to U2. You know, taking great but conventional songwriters and taking their craft to a further creative level. David Holmes is great, but I just thought the production on Chasing Yesterday was so good that Noel would probably do another one on his own. As you say though, Holmes definitely has the potential to add new dimensions to Noel's music, which is exciting. And, although I do like Lock All the Doors, I definitely don't want to see that kind of song on this album. In fact, I want a whole jazz/dance fusion album. Make it happen, David. |
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Post by matt on Apr 18, 2016 12:16:57 GMT -5
You a fan of David Holmes? Thought you'd be delighted at this personally as I do feel it indicates a direction that many of us here (including yourself) have been urging him to take. The Holy Pictures is a great album (that's all I've got from him) and he even has a collaboration with Jon Hopkins at the end of the album. I am fairly sure he's said the new songs sound completely different and confirming Holmes as producer heightens that expectations further (though as we all know, we've been here before). I do harbour hopes (very ambitious hopes as this IS Noel...) that David Holmes would be to Noel what Jon Hopkins has been to Coldplay (STILL waiting for them to see sense and let him solely produce an entire album of theirs) or Eno to U2. You know, taking great but conventional songwriters and taking their craft to a further creative level. David Holmes is great, but I just thought the production on Chasing Yesterday was so good that Noel would probably do another one on his own. As you say though, Holmes definitely has the potential to add new dimensions to Noel's music, which is exciting. And, although I do like Lock All the Doors, I definitely don't want to see that kind of song on this album. In fact, I want a whole jazz/dance fusion album. Make it happen, David. I like Chasing Yesterday but I feel it's a tale of two albums. One half is your standard Noel tunes that we've come to expect, the other half was a bit different for him. Riverman, Song Remains The Same (okay, he's done a couple of songs of a similar nature though not enough I feel), Right Stuff, Ballad of Mighty I - these are the best songs and I think Noel's at the stage that when he does things a bit differently and which are less self conscious of the past hits, then they work a lot better. They seem natural and not forced, whereas I feel songs like Lock All The Doors was desperately attempting a 90s rewrite of an old hit like Some Might Say for example. But they sound rehashed and tired, and anytime I hear a song like this, I just roll my eyes, switch it off, and just go back to listening to Morning Glory. That's all these songs ever do for me - they make me pine for the original supercharged smash hits of the 90s. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 12:38:03 GMT -5
Have you even HEARD his voice on Ballad Of The Mighty I? Yeah, it's the shittiest song he's ever produced. I havent listened to that song ever since it came out. If noel goes that route, i'm done. the melody is shit and lazy, and the sound is atrocious. He's already tried to be dancey on this record, and one year on, it's clearly one of his weakest record. Let's not make the same mistake twice. best song since going solo for me, its great. |
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Post by LlAM on Apr 18, 2016 13:07:46 GMT -5
I hope he gets Liam in to sing a few tunes
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Post by batfink30 on Apr 18, 2016 13:25:01 GMT -5
Dad rock?!  |
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Post by worldsoutro123 on Apr 18, 2016 17:38:06 GMT -5
I hope he gets Liam in to sing a few tunes Please no!! If he's going to have a guest vocalist, have someone that can sing. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Apr 19, 2016 1:28:18 GMT -5
Don't hold your breath for something really far out, folks. Remember how comfy Noel is in the middle of the road. At most, it'll be Noel doing New Order: 80's dance with shades of disco, new wave, house, and techno. Which, quite frankly, still sounds pretty exciting!  |
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Post by andymorris on Apr 19, 2016 15:35:58 GMT -5
Don't hold your breath for something really far out, folks. Remember how comfy Noel is in the middle of the road. At most, it'll be Noel doing New Order: 80's dance with shades of disco, new wave, house, and techno. Which, quite frankly, still sounds pretty exciting! Does it ? Noel would kinda sucks at that. Sadly Noel can't do many genres, he's good at what he's doing best : writing melodies. The Far Outest he's been was when he's done collabs with the Chemical bros. And While Settin Sun is a classic, the other tune is boring. So 11 tracks of that ? NO THANX |
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Apr 19, 2016 19:11:05 GMT -5
Have you even HEARD his voice on Ballad Of The Mighty I? Yeah, it's the shittiest song he's ever produced. I havent listened to that song ever since it came out. If noel goes that route, i'm done. the melody is shit and lazy, and the sound is atrocious. He's already tried to be dancey on this record, and one year on, it's clearly one of his weakest record. Let's not make the same mistake twice. Haha. It is easily the best song on the record. |
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Post by Manualex on Apr 19, 2016 20:49:40 GMT -5
Nobody in their right mind would want an album full of Lock All The Doors - surely Holmes wouldn't produce such midlife crisis rock? Well, I would be suprised if there was anyhing else of that quality on the vault of early Oasis songs. But if he did released an album full of songs that should've been sung by Liam in the mid 90's I would lose respect for him. Not that my respect means much to him anyways  |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Apr 19, 2016 21:10:44 GMT -5
Don't hold your breath for something really far out, folks. Remember how comfy Noel is in the middle of the road. At most, it'll be Noel doing New Order: 80's dance with shades of disco, new wave, house, and techno. Which, quite frankly, still sounds pretty exciting! Does it ? Noel would kinda sucks at that. Sadly Noel can't do many genres, he's good at what he's doing best : writing melodies. The Far Outest he's been was when he's done collabs with the Chemical bros. And While Settin Sun is a classic, the other tune is boring. So 11 tracks of that ? NO THANX I'd like to think that Noel will always write songs as good as, say TDOTL, but it's really only a matter of time before he becomes a parody of himself, just like on HC. And we know that Noel has a more experimental side to him. Just look at Teotihuacan, Gas Panic, Let the Lord, or Alone on the Rope. The best way for Noel to stay relevant and keep making great music is to change his style while he's still got good songwriting skill, rather than changing out of necessity when he runs out of ideas. And there's no reason why he couldn't carry over his ear for melody while still writing dancier songs. If we know Noel, he'll be sticking to the basic verse-bridge-chorus structure no matter what genre he dabbles in! |
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Post by Wandering Moon on Apr 20, 2016 6:36:57 GMT -5
*sigh* Eno next time then. Seriously though, I'm not too sure how to feel about this. I thought Chasing Yesterday was produced excellently. Maybe it shows this album reaches further sonically (sorry for that word, it's better than texturally though) than that one, and he feels a "real" producer is needed for it? Chasing Yesterday was produced very excellently, yes. For Noel himself though, he probably doesn't even see himself as a real producer (or like, Noel Gallagher producer extraordinaire) - it was just a thing, you know? Not a big deal to him, just that he couldn't find a producer but was working on the songs already so he did it himself and it turned out great. I still think a producer (and even a mixer, sometimes) brings so much more to the table than the listener or anyone but the artist realises; David Holmes is essentially a collaborator here, which, as you'll see when you check his own work out, is nothing but happy, happy news. |
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 20, 2016 8:50:50 GMT -5
*sigh* Eno next time then. Seriously though, I'm not too sure how to feel about this. I thought Chasing Yesterday was produced excellently. Maybe it shows this album reaches further sonically (sorry for that word, it's better than texturally though) than that one, and he feels a "real" producer is needed for it? Chasing Yesterday was produced very excellently, yes. For Noel himself though, he probably doesn't even see himself as a real producer (or like, Noel Gallagher producer extraordinaire) - it was just a thing, you know? Not a big deal to him, just that he couldn't find a producer but was working on the songs already so he did it himself and it turned out great. I still think a producer (and even a mixer, sometimes) brings so much more to the table than the listener or anyone but the artist realises; David Holmes is essentially a collaborator here, which, as you'll see when you check his own work out, is nothing but happy, happy news. I'm well aware of his work, I agree he could add some totally new sounds to a Noel Gallagher record and it's definitely something I'm looking forward to hearing. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Apr 20, 2016 8:54:51 GMT -5
Yeah, it's the shittiest song he's ever produced. I havent listened to that song ever since it came out. If noel goes that route, i'm done. the melody is shit and lazy, and the sound is atrocious. He's already tried to be dancey on this record, and one year on, it's clearly one of his weakest record. Let's not make the same mistake twice. Haha. It is easily the best song on the record. Haha. |
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Post by matt on Apr 20, 2016 11:56:38 GMT -5
Don't hold your breath for something really far out, folks. Remember how comfy Noel is in the middle of the road. At most, it'll be Noel doing New Order: 80's dance with shades of disco, new wave, house, and techno. Which, quite frankly, still sounds pretty exciting! Does it ? Noel would kinda sucks at that. Sadly Noel can't do many genres, he's good at what he's doing best : writing melodies. The Far Outest he's been was when he's done collabs with the Chemical bros. And While Settin Sun is a classic, the other tune is boring. So 11 tracks of that ? NO THANX The other tune is boring? So no worse than the dull dad rock plodders he usually churns out. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 20, 2016 12:43:15 GMT -5
Personally I really like those two songs he did with the Chemical Brothers. Wouldn't mind getting more of that.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 20, 2016 13:19:19 GMT -5
My favorite song on Chasing Yesterday is In The Heat of The Moment. Aside from the nananas, which do harm its quality, I think this is the direction he should be moving in. Ballad of The Mighty I is very similar in style, but lacks the amazing chorus. ITHOTM is certainly not a throwaway track for me. And it's pretty amazing live too.
I'm a little saddened that Noel won't be producing the next album, because I thought he did an excellent job on CY. Well, maybe not, since AA pretty much did half the tracks.
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Post by mossy on Apr 20, 2016 14:47:52 GMT -5
My favorite song on Chasing Yesterday is In The Heat of The Moment. Aside from the nananas, which do harm its quality, I think this is the direction he should be moving in. Ballad of The Mighty I is very similar in style, but lacks the amazing chorus. ITHOTM is certainly not a throwaway track for me. And it's pretty amazing live too. I'm a little saddened that Noel won't be producing the next album, because I thought he did an excellent job on CY. Well, maybe not, since AA pretty much did half the tracks. To give Noelly G his due, the AA were only involved in 2-3 tracks: The Right Stuff & The Mexican And The Ballad Of The Mighty I which they didn't complain about, so presumably the CY version is very different to the one recorded with them. |
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