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Post by MONO on Mar 18, 2019 14:24:52 GMT -5
It'd be great to listen to the versions they recorded with Guigsy and Bonehead.
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Post by oasisunited on Mar 18, 2019 14:26:22 GMT -5
Well, they did sort of follow through on a release for the Knebworth anniversary, as that project morphed into Supersonic (I agree its a stretch, but they did at least release something sort of related to it after talking about it). That being said, I agree with your skepticism, since Noel says that a lot of things will be released/remastered/etc and very few of them seem to come to fruition, at least lately. I actually think they will reissue SOTSOG just to milk the cash cow. Piece of piss to stick it out again with a bonus disc of demos. The Knebworth project most likely fell through because of Guigsy etc withholding their image rights rather than Noel being all talk and no trousers. I think Guigy's issue was with the documentary and the story being told by Ignition, not the Knebworth footage. I doubt that he would have objected to a release of the concert by itself, as that would not include any sort of opinions about what happened. He hasn't withheld his approval on any of the Chasing the Sun releases, which included unreleased material that he would have to approve/be compensated for, as he theoretically is on the recordings (granted, its probably Noel playing bass on most of it, but still). The only problem is Noel’s team is small and can’t cope with multiple releases. So it’ll have to be when there’s a gap between Noel’s albums. So I reckon 2019 is out as it looks like he’s gearing up to release something, but it’s realistic it could be ready for the 20th anniversary in early 2020. The last Holmes album took years to finish so they might be able to sneak the reissue out before it is ready. Fingers crossed anyway. X Totally. Ignition has shown that they can only handle one thing at a time and with an album (or two) coming out, it may be some time or they may just skip it all together because they will be busy for the next few years. |
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Post by MONO on Mar 18, 2019 14:28:48 GMT -5
The Knebworth project most likely fell through because of Guigsy etc withholding their image rights rather than Noel being all talk and no trousers. Exactly, though oasisunited doesn't want to admit that. I think Guigy's issue was with the documentary and the story being told by Ignition, not the Knebworth footage. I doubt that he would have objected to a release of the concert by itself, as that would not include any sort of opinions about what happened. Nope  He hasn't withheld his approval on any of the Chasing the Sun releases, which included unreleased material that he would have to approve/be compensated for, as he theoretically is on the recordings (granted, its probably Noel playing bass on most of it, but still). He already gave his rights in the audio recordings away when he signed the recording contract. No need to ask him again even if the stuff partly hasn't been released before. |
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Post by mossy on Mar 18, 2019 14:33:46 GMT -5
I actually think they will reissue SOTSOG just to milk the cash cow. Piece of piss to stick it out again with a bonus disc of demos. The Knebworth project most likely fell through because of Guigsy etc withholding their image rights rather than Noel being all talk and no trousers. I think Guigy's issue was with the documentary and the story being told by Ignition, not the Knebworth footage. I doubt that he would have objected to a release of the concert by itself, as that would not include any sort of opinions about what happened. He hasn't withheld his approval on any of the Chasing the Sun releases, which included unreleased material that he would have to approve/be compensated for, as he theoretically is on the recordings (granted, its probably Noel playing bass on most of it, but still). The only problem is Noel’s team is small and can’t cope with multiple releases. So it’ll have to be when there’s a gap between Noel’s albums. So I reckon 2019 is out as it looks like he’s gearing up to release something, but it’s realistic it could be ready for the 20th anniversary in early 2020. The last Holmes album took years to finish so they might be able to sneak the reissue out before it is ready. Fingers crossed anyway. X Totally. Ignition has shown that they can only handle one thing at a time and with an album (or two) coming out, it may be some time or they may just skip it all together because they will be busy for the next few years. Guigsy was literally erased from the Knebworth footage in Supersonic. I get your point, but we can’t assume he’d be happy with it being released given that. I think he just wants a quiet life now, he’s made his money and doesn’t need any more so doesn’t want his image out there again potentially provoking recognition, interview requests etc. I don’t know the ins and outs of music business legal minutiae but I very much doubt he had the power to stop the albums/songs (which he didn’t write, just recorded on) from being released. X |
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Post by MONO on Mar 18, 2019 14:35:38 GMT -5
Guigsy was literally erased from the Knebworth footage in Supersonic. I get your point, but we can’t assume he’d be happy with it being released given that. I think he just wants a quiet life now, he’s made his money and doesn’t need any more so doesn’t want his image out there again potentially provoking recognition, interview requests etc. That's it. I don’t know the ins and outs of music business legal minutiae but I very much doubt he had the power to stop the albums/songs (which he didn’t write, just recorded on) from being released. Exactly. |
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Post by mossy on Mar 18, 2019 14:35:51 GMT -5
Anyway, forget demos and b-sides, the main thing I want from this reissue is for the original logo to be returned to the cover. Fookin’ with that classic logo was a massive mistake. X
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Post by MONO on Mar 18, 2019 14:37:46 GMT -5
Of course, but it would be wrong to stick it on a non-Microdot cover. And it would seem like trying to re-write history. Leave it as it is. Even if it's flawed.
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Post by oasisunited on Mar 18, 2019 14:38:23 GMT -5
I think Guigy's issue was with the documentary and the story being told by Ignition, not the Knebworth footage. I doubt that he would have objected to a release of the concert by itself, as that would not include any sort of opinions about what happened. He hasn't withheld his approval on any of the Chasing the Sun releases, which included unreleased material that he would have to approve/be compensated for, as he theoretically is on the recordings (granted, its probably Noel playing bass on most of it, but still). Totally. Ignition has shown that they can only handle one thing at a time and with an album (or two) coming out, it may be some time or they may just skip it all together because they will be busy for the next few years. Guigsy was literally erased from the Knebworth footage in Supersonic. I get your point, but we can’t assume he’d be happy with it being released given that. I think he just wants a quiet life now, he’s made his money and doesn’t need any more so doesn’t want his image out there again potentially provoking recognition, interview requests etc. I don’t know the ins and outs of music business legal minutiae but I very much doubt he had the power to stop the albums/songs (which he didn’t write, just recorded on) from being released. X It wasn't just the Knebworth footage. He was also erased out of the Boardwalk rehearsal footage and one other if my memory serves me correctly. Once he didn't give permission, he had to be removed from any scene that showed him performing that he already had not signed rights over for. This wasn't just about Knebworth -- it is just the most obvious that he is missing from that footage. |
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Post by mossy on Mar 18, 2019 14:39:37 GMT -5
It'd be great to listen to the versions they recorded with Guigsy and Bonehead. Doubt very much we’ll get those. It’ll be the Noel demos to demonstrate he was the genius and driving force behind the band. X |
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Post by MONO on Mar 18, 2019 14:40:16 GMT -5
´It wasn't just the Knebworth footage. He was also erased out of the Boardwalk rehearsal footage and one other if my memory serves me correctly. We know that Once he didn't give permission, he had to be removed from any scene that showed him performing that he already had not signed rights over for. This wasn't just about Knebworth -- it is just the most obvious that he is missing from that footage. Exactly, you remember I told you that in the other thread? Good... |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Mar 18, 2019 14:41:47 GMT -5
Weird, that. I get that you don't want the fame or adulation... but why would he not want his image to be shown in previous footage. Footage that is available anywhere online?
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Post by MONO on Mar 18, 2019 14:42:07 GMT -5
Doubt very much we’ll get those. It's highly unlikely. Would be really interesting anyway. It’ll be the Noel demos to demonstrate he was the genius and driving force behind the band. Haha, that's it! |
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Post by mossy on Mar 18, 2019 14:47:14 GMT -5
Guigsy was literally erased from the Knebworth footage in Supersonic. I get your point, but we can’t assume he’d be happy with it being released given that. I think he just wants a quiet life now, he’s made his money and doesn’t need any more so doesn’t want his image out there again potentially provoking recognition, interview requests etc. I don’t know the ins and outs of music business legal minutiae but I very much doubt he had the power to stop the albums/songs (which he didn’t write, just recorded on) from being released. X It wasn't just the Knebworth footage. He was also erased out of the Boardwalk rehearsal footage and one other if my memory serves me correctly. Once he didn't give permission, he had to be removed from any scene that showed him performing that he already had not signed rights over for. This wasn't just about Knebworth -- it is just the most obvious that he is missing from that footage. This is as much as we’ll ever know and I’m guessing his feeling was the same about a stand-alone Knebworth release or any other live DVDs... www.musicweek.com/media/read/supersonic-director-mat-whitecross-on-oasis-reunion-it-should-happen/066165There were a couple of conspicuous absentees however, original bassist Paul “Guigsy” McGuigan and second drummer Alan White. Did you approach them about taking part?I haven't met Alan, but I met Guigs a couple of times. That again was a real privilege and I think we came pretty close to getting him to be in the film. He’s got so many great stories, but at the last minute he said, That's part of my old life and I don't really want to revisit it, which is fair enough. But he was very sweet about it. He's exactly as you'd expect from his reputation, a very sweet, lovely guy, but he just considers it part of another life. |
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Post by oasisunited on Mar 18, 2019 15:44:48 GMT -5
It wasn't just the Knebworth footage. He was also erased out of the Boardwalk rehearsal footage and one other if my memory serves me correctly. Once he didn't give permission, he had to be removed from any scene that showed him performing that he already had not signed rights over for. This wasn't just about Knebworth -- it is just the most obvious that he is missing from that footage. This is as much as we’ll ever know and I’m guessing his feeling was the same about a stand-alone Knebworth release or any other live DVDs... www.musicweek.com/media/read/supersonic-director-mat-whitecross-on-oasis-reunion-it-should-happen/066165There were a couple of conspicuous absentees however, original bassist Paul “Guigsy” McGuigan and second drummer Alan White. Did you approach them about taking part?I haven't met Alan, but I met Guigs a couple of times. That again was a real privilege and I think we came pretty close to getting him to be in the film. He’s got so many great stories, but at the last minute he said, That's part of my old life and I don't really want to revisit it, which is fair enough. But he was very sweet about it. He's exactly as you'd expect from his reputation, a very sweet, lovely guy, but he just considers it part of another life. I would suggest that you listen to the episode that The Oasis Podcast just did with Mat. He expounds on this, especially his discussion with Guigsy and (if you take Mat at his word, which I do) he says that Guigsy's hesitance came down to a falling out with Ignition over something/some lingering bad blood that Guigsy has towards them. Would love for Guigsy to write a book, as it would probably be the closest thing to real truth we would ever get about the band. |
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Post by mossy on Mar 18, 2019 15:47:40 GMT -5
This is as much as we’ll ever know and I’m guessing his feeling was the same about a stand-alone Knebworth release or any other live DVDs... www.musicweek.com/media/read/supersonic-director-mat-whitecross-on-oasis-reunion-it-should-happen/066165There were a couple of conspicuous absentees however, original bassist Paul “Guigsy” McGuigan and second drummer Alan White. Did you approach them about taking part?I haven't met Alan, but I met Guigs a couple of times. That again was a real privilege and I think we came pretty close to getting him to be in the film. He’s got so many great stories, but at the last minute he said, That's part of my old life and I don't really want to revisit it, which is fair enough. But he was very sweet about it. He's exactly as you'd expect from his reputation, a very sweet, lovely guy, but he just considers it part of another life. I would suggest that you listen to the episode that The Oasis Podcast just did with Mat. He expounds on this, especially his discussion with Guigsy and (if you take Mat at his word, which I do) he says that Guigsy's hesitance came down to a falling out with Ignition over something/some lingering bad blood that Guigsy has towards them. Would love for Guigsy to write a book, as it would probably be the closest thing to real truth we would ever get about the band. Fair enough, but I’m not actually that bothered about it mate! This whole thing just started from me saying there were other things that stopped Knebworth but I still think SOTSOG will be reissued at some point. Peace. X |
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Post by MONO on Mar 18, 2019 15:50:03 GMT -5
I would suggest that you listen to the episode that The Oasis Podcast just did with Mat. He expounds on this, especially his discussion with Guigsy and (if you take Mat at his word, which I do) he says that Guigsy's hesitance came down to a falling out with Ignition over something/some lingering bad blood that Guigsy has towards them. Would love for Guigsy to write a book, as it would probably be the closest thing to real truth we would ever get about the band. Too bad he didn't say anything about his approval of the 'chasing the sun' series. Oh, wait  Maybe he was asked only once?  |
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Post by mossy on Mar 18, 2019 15:50:21 GMT -5
Maybe Guigsy wrote an amazing classic song that Noel refused to release despite it being 10x better than Little James  X |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 18, 2019 21:50:19 GMT -5
What the fuck happened to SLOW?
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Post by MONO on Mar 19, 2019 1:00:40 GMT -5
Weird, that. I get that you don't want the fame or adulation... but why would he not want his image to be shown in previous footage. Footage that is available anywhere online? Money. In the end, the only losers of their boycott are the fans. Stuff gets released where their consent isn't necessary (Chasing the sun, edited Supersonic) and releases that make no sense without their approval (Knebworth) simply stay in the archives. |
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Post by freddy838 on Mar 19, 2019 2:18:18 GMT -5
Weird, that. I get that you don't want the fame or adulation... but why would he not want his image to be shown in previous footage. Footage that is available anywhere online? Money. In the end, the only losers of their boycott are the fans. Stuff gets released where their consent isn't necessary (Chasing the sun, edited Supersonic) and releases that make no sense without their approval (Knebworth) simply stay in the archives. Yes I respect Guigsy's (and Alan's) wishes but it does deny us fans quite a bit, which is really disappointing considering the band had and still has one of the most loyal fanbases around. I hope one day he reconsiders, as without the fans he wouldn't have basically been able to retire at a young age and live whatever life he wanted. |
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Post by andymorris on Mar 19, 2019 3:33:14 GMT -5
Anyway, forget demos and b-sides, the main thing I want from this reissue is for the original logo to be returned to the cover. Fookin’ with that classic logo was a massive mistake. X It was the 2000s, they had to have a logo with a futuristic font  Anyway, about the SOTSOG reissue, we already have that, we've had it ever since it came out  |
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Post by mossy on Mar 19, 2019 7:00:28 GMT -5
Of course, but it would be wrong to stick it on a non-Microdot cover. And it would seem like trying to re-write history. Leave it as it is. Even if it's flawed. Didn’t stop them from half doing it on HC and 85% doing it on DBTT and 75% doing it on DOYS. Just go 100%!   |
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Post by thomuk2006 on Mar 19, 2019 10:15:13 GMT -5
Of course, but it would be wrong to stick it on a non-Microdot cover. And it would seem like trying to re-write history. Leave it as it is. Even if it's flawed. Didn’t stop them from half doing it on HC and 85% doing it on DBTT and 75% doing it on DOYS. Just go 100%! look amazing.... but can't change history |
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Post by mossy on Mar 19, 2019 11:22:30 GMT -5
Didn’t stop them from half doing it on HC and 85% doing it on DBTT and 75% doing it on DOYS. Just go 100%! look amazing.... but can't change history Yes you can. Witness... 1997:  2016:  |
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Post by thomuk2006 on Mar 19, 2019 12:37:40 GMT -5
Can't see the difference? |
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