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Post by spud on Dec 10, 2015 19:28:15 GMT -5
His last interview in Esquire was truly witless self-parody and I said so at the time. Not a single interesting or funny remark throughout.
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Post by Noeldemort on Dec 10, 2015 20:53:57 GMT -5
People need to understand that the press loves to paint a certain someone as a 'bad guy' and another as the 'good guy'. They manipulate the images of public figures to their own needs: to sell their stuff. In this case, Liam often is labelled as the bad guy and Noel is made to be the cool and funny guy that makes everyone laugh. I believe they're both good and bad in their own ways though and they're talented in their own ways definitely. Yeah I agree with that. Liam was probably the greatest line of defence Noel used to have. Now that Liam's out of the spotlight, the press started to target more on Noel and every little thing he says that doesn't agree with the general public becomes a headline. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 10, 2015 21:14:59 GMT -5
So without Liam's voice to over-analyze, we're now scrutinizing the minutia of Noel's interviews. Brilliant.  |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 11, 2015 0:16:57 GMT -5
Yes.
Noel has slowly begun to come off as the grumpy old man who has nothing to say other than his time was better than yours. It wouldn't be so bad if Noel didn't constantly bemoan there not being great young rock bands out there, while slapping down others. The farther we get from Noel's glory days as a great songwriter, the more difficult it is to excuse his opinions. In actuality he's a once great songwriter who flamed out after his second album because he couldn't take the pressure, and he's been pussying out on his music since then. Most of what Noel says have gone from valid opinions to just posturing. Saying you don't chase it anymore is posturing. It's a different way of saying you're not capable of it, this is when he speaks about the quality of songwriting. For the longest he bemoaned the lack of any unifying figures in music, one comes along, and he slaps her down. Don't get me wrong, I'm not the biggest fan of Adele's album, but it does come off as sour grapes by Noel. Emerging rock band comes along in Wolf Alice, smacks them down. Political rap makes a comeback in kendrick lamar, hasn't even listened to the album. He's stuck inside his own bubble and it's starting to show.
No one is good enough in Noel's eyes to hold the mantle. The reason being? It keeps Noel feeling special. If he's truly the last one, then there's no reason to try, there's always a laurel, there's always a mantle he can hold onto. But honestly, Noel was special for three years, far shorter of a time length than the idols he puts himself among had, whether Bowie, the Stones, the Beatles, hell even the Smiths. He's written some truly brilliant songs, and has since written good songs, but he's not the last of a dying breed. He's just the best and last thing that dying breed could produce, which was only three years of greatness.
So now, he has and can become a parody of himself when he wants to. The best example being the esquire interview. He said nothing enlightening, interesting, or barely funny in it. He said nothing. The veneer came off and he sounded like the guy who flamed out, the guy who can only shout, the guy who hasn't been capable of cobbling together a great album of his own songs since Be Here Now.
Sometimes he can be a truly great interview, and it's still refreshing that he's willing to answer questions and put himself out there. However, recently there have been plenty of moments where he's a cartoon and you begin to question where he gets off at. Maybe he should stop claiming someone makes music for grannies when he's not making much better. Maybe he should get off bands that are pushing their sound when he still makes middle of the road albums. But he won't do those things because then he'll actually have to stop posturing and living off three years from over 15 years ago. He should take more of an interest in younger bands instead of slapping them down, and do what Johnny Marr did for him, but then again that's another area where Noel falls far short of his heroes.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 11, 2015 0:19:36 GMT -5
Yawn.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 11, 2015 0:26:22 GMT -5
Sometimes I feel like he hasn't been supportive of The Strypes,Temples,Jagwar Ma,Neon Waltz,Jake Bugg,he never said he loved the new Foals album,he never said he liked Florence and she should have been headlining Glastonbury from the start (not just because Dave hurt himself),never said that he likes Tame Impala or Disclosure...'cause he never did right?
But the medias of course prefer to make a case for what he says just what he slags othher artists off,it sells more after all doesn't it...and you fall for it
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 11, 2015 0:28:26 GMT -5
So without Liam's voice to over-analyze, we're now scrutinizing the minutia of Noel's interviews. Brilliant. We need some negative vibes over here don't we? Just cause he touched Adele |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 11, 2015 0:35:08 GMT -5
Sometimes I feel like he hasn't been supportive of The Strypes,Temples,Jagwar Ma,Neon Waltz,Jake Bugg,he never said he loved the new Foals album,he never said he liked Florence and she should have been headlining Glastonbury from the start (not just because Dave hurt himself),that he likes Tame Impala...'cause he never did right? But the medias of course prefer to make a case for what he says just what he slags othher artists off,it sells more after all doesn't it...and you fall for it He called out the foals when he said no one would be listening to them in 12 years. But lets not forget that either. He's had a record of saying he likes artist's music and then doing a 180 on them in the next interview. That's not supporting an artist. It's difficult to remember the artists Noel supports because he lashing out at others in the same breath, and list of artists he's lashed out against is far longer than the list of artist's be supported. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 11, 2015 0:44:46 GMT -5
Sometimes I feel like he hasn't been supportive of The Strypes,Temples,Jagwar Ma,Neon Waltz,Jake Bugg,he never said he loved the new Foals album,he never said he liked Florence and she should have been headlining Glastonbury from the start (not just because Dave hurt himself),that he likes Tame Impala...'cause he never did right? But the medias of course prefer to make a case for what he says just what he slags othher artists off,it sells more after all doesn't it...and you fall for it He called out the foals when he said no one would be listening to them in 12 years. But lets not forget that either. He's had a record of saying he likes artist's music and then doing a 180 on them in the next interview. That's not supporting an artist. It's difficult to remember the artists Noel supports because he lashing out at others in the same breath, and list of artists he's lashed out against is far longer than the list of artist's be supported. Yeah 'cause he said he's not a fan,but he admitted he loved their last record And the list of artists he's slagged off is not much longer,it's just that when he slags somebody off suddenly those words are everywhere But yeah whatever,as I said if you don't like him or his interviews just don't read them |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 11, 2015 1:01:47 GMT -5
He called out the foals when he said no one would be listening to them in 12 years. But lets not forget that either. He's had a record of saying he likes artist's music and then doing a 180 on them in the next interview. That's not supporting an artist. It's difficult to remember the artists Noel supports because he lashing out at others in the same breath, and list of artists he's lashed out against is far longer than the list of artist's be supported. Yeah 'cause he said he's not a fan,but he admitted he loved their last record And the list of artists he's slagged off is not much longer,it's just that when he slags somebody off suddenly those words are everywhere But yeah whatever,as I said if you don't like him or his interviews just don't read them Doesn't change the fact that he slagged them off in another interview. "Yea, I like their album. But their music has no lasting impact." Right. Well, if you count him slagging off the entire genre that is rap, then I'm pretty the list of artist's he's come out against is much longer. Him slagging off scores of band isn't 100% media produced, you can hide behind that, but it's also Noel Gallagher produced and to a point he revels in it. But lets not hold Noel to anything he says. Let's blame every trial and tribulation on the media because Noel could never do or say anything wrong in the eyes of some on here. I'm pretty sure Noel could slag off a guy in a wheel chair tomorrow and some here would ask, "but did the guy in the wheel chair write morning glory?". |
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Post by Noeldemort on Dec 11, 2015 1:07:15 GMT -5
He likes Florence very much, by his standard  |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 11, 2015 1:13:15 GMT -5
Yeah 'cause he said he's not a fan,but he admitted he loved their last record And the list of artists he's slagged off is not much longer,it's just that when he slags somebody off suddenly those words are everywhere But yeah whatever,as I said if you don't like him or his interviews just don't read them Doesn't change the fact that he slagged them off in another interview. "Yea, I like their album. But their music has no lasting impact." Right. Well, if you count him slagging off the entire genre that is rap, then I'm pretty the list of artist's he's come out against is much longer. Him slagging off scores of band isn't 100% media produced, you can hide behind that, but it's also Noel Gallagher produced and to a point he revels in it. But lets not hold Noel to anything he says. Let's blame every trial and tribulation on the media because Noel could never do or say anything wrong in the eyes of some on here. I'm pretty sure Noel could slag off a guy in a wheel chair tomorrow and some here would ask, "but did the guy in the wheel chair write morning glory?". Where did I say he never slagged anybody off exactly? |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 11, 2015 1:16:03 GMT -5
He likes Florence very much, by his standard They get on pretty well too I believe And she's an Oasis fan,he dedicated Digsy's Dinner to her at a festival |
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Post by mkoasis on Dec 11, 2015 1:20:44 GMT -5
Why do people still think that he will change up his setlist a lot. Oasis never did it in all of the years they were together. I think Oasis did a decent job of shaking things up, especially in the 90s when they didn't even have that much material out. The number of songs Noel has under his belt now is ridiculous, I don't know why his set lists just keep getting worse as his back catalogue grows. They're his own songs I really don't think he'll find it very difficult to relearn them. He plays it safe ALL THE TIME and it's very annoying, i.e. dropping Ballad Of The Mighty I, not even attempting The Girl With X-Ray Eyes. This is the only thing that I'm sick of. Yes, Oasis were never known for being big setlist changers like Pearl Jam (who are famous for it) but there was usually enough variation to keep things interesting from tour to tour, or even leg to leg. The 90s were fine like this (particularly with the acoustic sets), and 01 through 03 saw lots of songs added. Where it started to get frustratingly stale was the DOYS tour. Terrific setlist you could say, but it said a lot about the band that they kept it so static - I'm not speaking as someone who would download a gig but you'd think the band didn't care if they kept doing the exact same thing over and over, like the energy was gone. I understand playing the hits, especially at a festival, but there are so many hits and fan favourites, new tracks, and hidden gems to choose from and he always does the same. We did get an exciting run in 12-13 when he did Spaceman, Idlers Dream, Angel Child, Simple Game of Genius, Alone on the Rope, Shout it Out Loud, Lord Dont Slwo Me Down, Digsy's Dinner. That was very exciting. But now its like he's bored again. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 11, 2015 1:27:05 GMT -5
Yeah 'cause he said he's not a fan,but he admitted he loved their last record And the list of artists he's slagged off is not much longer,it's just that when he slags somebody off suddenly those words are everywhere But yeah whatever,as I said if you don't like him or his interviews just don't read them Doesn't change the fact that he slagged them off in another interview. "Yea, I like their album. But their music has no lasting impact." Right. Well, if you count him slagging off the entire genre that is rap, then I'm pretty the list of artist's he's come out against is much longer. Him slagging off scores of band isn't 100% media produced, you can hide behind that, but it's also Noel Gallagher produced and to a point he revels in it. But lets not hold Noel to anything he says. Let's blame every trial and tribulation on the media because Noel could never do or say anything wrong in the eyes of some on here. I'm pretty sure Noel could slag off a guy in a wheel chair tomorrow and some here would ask, "but did the guy in the wheel chair write morning glory?". Noel treats new music like he does technology. He's living in the past and frustrated by change. He doesn't understand the point or why the younger crowds are so taken with it. It upsets him that he can't relate and so he blames the world around him for changing instead of himself. Stubbornness at its finest. Embrace the change. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 11, 2015 1:35:12 GMT -5
MINCE PIES
INGREDIENTS
225g/8oz Odlums Cream Plain Flour
125g/4oz Shamrock Golden Caster Sugar
100g Packet Shamrock Ground Almonds
125g/4oz Margarine (room temperature)
1 Egg (beaten)
A little water, if necessary
450g/1lb Jar Mincemeat
Icing sugar
METHOD
Preheat oven to 200°C/400°F/Gas 6. Lightly grease patty/bun tins.
Put flour, sugar and ground almonds into a mixing bowl and mix well together.
Rub margarine through the dry ingredients. Add the egg and water, if required and mix to a soft dough.
Turn onto a lightly floured board and gently knead.
Cover with cling film and keep in fridge until ready to use. The pastry will keep for about three days.
Roll pastry on a floured board and cut rounds with a cutter to fit greased bun/patty tins. Put a teaspoon of mincemeat in each and cut a ‘lid’ from remaining pastry to put on top.Bake for about 15 minutes or until golden brown.
Dust with icing sugar.
FREEZING TIPS:
Pastry:
When made wrap in cling film and keep in fridge for up to 3 days.
Uncooked Mince Pies
Wrap the baking bun/patty tin with the uncooked Mince Pies in cling film and freeze. When frozen remove the Mince Pies from the tin and return to the freezer wrapped in a plastic bag. Will keep for up to 6 months
Cooked Mince Pies
These will keep in the freezer up to 3 months wrapped in a plastic bag.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 11, 2015 1:49:53 GMT -5
Apple pie is the only one
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 11, 2015 2:02:43 GMT -5
Apple pie is the only one Yeah, but I've already posted that once. Gotta keep it dangerous. |
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Post by Noeldemort on Dec 11, 2015 2:45:31 GMT -5
Apple pie is the only one Yeah, but I've already posted that once. Gotta keep it dangerous. But I got my magic pie... Sorry. |
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Post by Aman on Dec 11, 2015 4:09:32 GMT -5
Yes. Noel has slowly begun to come off as the grumpy old man who has nothing to say other than his time was better than yours. It wouldn't be so bad if Noel didn't constantly bemoan there not being great young rock bands out there, while slapping down others. The farther we get from Noel's glory days as a great songwriter, the more difficult it is to excuse his opinions. In actuality he's a once great songwriter who flamed out after his second album because he couldn't take the pressure, and he's been pussying out on his music since then. Most of what Noel says have gone from valid opinions to just posturing. Saying you don't chase it anymore is posturing. It's a different way of saying you're not capable of it, this is when he speaks about the quality of songwriting. For the longest he bemoaned the lack of any unifying figures in music, one comes along, and he slaps her down. Don't get me wrong, I'm not the biggest fan of Adele's album, but it does come off as sour grapes by Noel. Emerging rock band comes along in Wolf Alice, smacks them down. Political rap makes a comeback in kendrick lamar, hasn't even listened to the album. He's stuck inside his own bubble and it's starting to show. No one is good enough in Noel's eyes to hold the mantle. The reason being? It keeps Noel feeling special. If he's truly the last one, then there's no reason to try, there's always a laurel, there's always a mantle he can hold onto. But honestly, Noel was special for three years, far shorter of a time length than the idols he puts himself among had, whether Bowie, the Stones, the Beatles, hell even the Smiths. He's written some truly brilliant songs, and has since written good songs, but he's not the last of a dying breed. He's just the best and last thing that dying breed could produce, which was only three years of greatness. So now, he has and can become a parody of himself when he wants to. The best example being the esquire interview. He said nothing enlightening, interesting, or barely funny in it. He said nothing. The veneer came off and he sounded like the guy who flamed out, the guy who can only shout, the guy who hasn't been capable of cobbling together a great album of his own songs since Be Here Now. Sometimes he can be a truly great interview, and it's still refreshing that he's willing to answer questions and put himself out there. However, recently there have been plenty of moments where he's a cartoon and you begin to question where he gets off at. Maybe he should stop claiming someone makes music for grannies when he's not making much better. Maybe he should get off bands that are pushing their sound when he still makes middle of the road albums. But he won't do those things because then he'll actually have to stop posturing and living off three years from over 15 years ago. He should take more of an interest in younger bands instead of slapping them down, and do what Johnny Marr did for him, but then again that's another area where Noel falls far short of his heroes. Absolutely bang on. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 11, 2015 4:12:51 GMT -5
Apple pie is the only one Yeah, but I've already posted that once. Gotta keep it dangerous. Ever tried ricotta and chocolate? Or ricotta and soft fruits? |
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Dec 11, 2015 4:57:07 GMT -5
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Dec 11, 2015 5:56:18 GMT -5
Of course most bands today don't bring anything new to music and I don't care for Math Rock and Afro Pop or new Indie Schmindie reinventions, ...a same simple trick/formula, that outfits like Vampire Weekend play out in every song, to only shape their general sound and image they are recognized for. I'd rather listen to Maurice Ravel.
I prefer Arcade Fire or anything Spoon did over Noel's two solo efforts.
He hasn't much to say in his music either and he thinks he can justify his artistry with his sense of writing pop songs with a perfect structure and melody and he probably misses this when he listens to Foals and Wolf Alice too.
But! there's much more to music than this! I think today you'e got to make music much more of an experience for the listener to not be forgotten. You've got to try even harder than in the 90's and not capitulate. If one's artistic needs aren't satisfied by creating music he should maybe move over to movies or literature.
I kind of liked Liam's passion. At least he tried.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 11, 2015 6:06:23 GMT -5
He doesn't ask himself the questions Fair point, maybe he could be more selective with who he chooses to do interviews with then. He has more than enough power to tell his managerial team. Sadly, I think the truth of the matter is that he likes the sound of his own voice. Sadly, Noel does LOVE being interviewed. Whatever he might say to the contrary, there can be no doubt of that fact. Didn't his management team once run a competition, where the winner got the chance to interview him? Think he ended up with some 19 year old or something. That is slightly weird, I've got to say. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 11, 2015 6:25:48 GMT -5
Fair point, maybe he could be more selective with who he chooses to do interviews with then. He has more than enough power to tell his managerial team. Sadly, I think the truth of the matter is that he likes the sound of his own voice. Sadly, Noel does LOVE being interviewed. Whatever he might say to the contrary, there can be no doubt of that fact. Didn't his management team once run a competition, where the winner got the chance to interview him? Think he ended up with some 19 year old or something. That is slightly weird, I've got to say. Of course he does,he admitted it |
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