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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 11:34:29 GMT -5
IS IT A SUCCESS OR A FAILURE .....OR SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. ME ?? I say AT HIS BEST HE WAS THE ULTIMATE FRONTMAN. SO I SAY IF HE NEVER PRODUCES ANOTHER SONG AGAIN ......HE IS A SUCCESS. THOUGHTS ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 11:36:17 GMT -5
By any possible measurement he was a massive success.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 11:37:36 GMT -5
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 24, 2015 11:55:05 GMT -5
The greatest rock n roll singer of his generation and one of the best British front men of all time.
Yes the style and attitude all made Oasis a rollercoaster ride but his greatest attribute was his ability to turn an average song in to an excellent one. To drag tunes up from mediocrity. That's a rare talent indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 11:57:37 GMT -5
The greatest rock n roll singer of his generation and one of the best British front men of all time. Yes the style and attitude all made Oasis a rollercoaster ride but his greatest attribute was his ability to turn an average song in to an excellent one. To drag tunes up from mediocrity. That's a rare talent indeed. STANDING OVATION  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 13:07:38 GMT -5
Liam is/was successful but I worry that as hes been a fairly average singer for the last 10-13 years and hasnt been the huge voice that he was for around 20 years, everyday people dont remember him for those earlier years as it was such a long time ago and such a short space of time before he lost his sparkle.
someone mentioned on youtube video that "kids must watch this and wonder what all the fuss is about with Liam, hes not even close to what he used to be" and while that was a video of one of the beady eye gigs in the 2013 festival run (Liam was on really poor form) it still begs the question of how much people still respect Liam as a singer.
if liam coulve somehow kept his glory days voice (bit like bono) im sure he would have much more respect/popularity now than what he already has..
dont get me wrong, I think hes great and one of the greatest ever rock voices and I still love hearing him sing etc but to the general public I do wonder how high hes regarded.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 24, 2015 13:19:16 GMT -5
His key legacies for me would be:- * Being an integral part of a band that took British independent music (arguably) as far as it could go in terms of not only sale, but also influencing the actual culture around them at the time. Few other artists can make such a claim. * Being an instantly recognisable voice on some of the biggest songs of the last two decades- could conceivably be part of the above point but worth looking at separately as being known when someone hears the record. * A genuinely iconic person that is recognised worldwide, as opposed to people who go on celebrity shows as "stars" and you have to Google them to find out what they did/who they slept with* (*delete as appropriate  ) * Creating a successful fashion label which is alot harder from a business perspective than people may think- I am aware he has had outtside help and investors but to still continue with such a project ot the level it is at, and potentially how much further it could go, is remarkable. I suppose to sum Liam up in 43 years he has been a rock n' roll star, icon for a generation who is still recognisable the world over, published songwriter, fashion (co) designer and fashion house proprietor, potential film producer, father, husband, lover, family man and above all an individual who stuck to his own path for better or worse- And there aren't too many who could claim all that |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 24, 2015 13:23:57 GMT -5
His key legacies for me would be:- * Being an integral part of a band that took British independent music (arguably) as far as it could go in terms of not only sale, but also influencing the actual culture around them at the time. Few other artists can make such a claim. * Being an instantly recognisable voice on some of the biggest songs of the last two decades- could conceivably be part of the above point but worth looking at separately as being known when someone hears the record. * A genuinely iconic person that is recognised worldwide, as opposed to people who go on celebrity shows as "stars" and you have to Google them to find out what they did/who they slept with* (*delete as appropriate ) * Creating a successful fashion label which is alot harder from a business perspective than people may think- I am aware he has had outtside help and investors but to still continue with such a project ot the level it is at, and potentially how much further it could go, is remarkable. I suppose to sum Liam up in 43 years he has been a rock n' roll star, icon for a generation who is still recognisable the world over, published songwriter, fashion (co) designer and fashion house proprietor, potential film producer, father, husband, lover, family man and above all an individual who stuck to his own path for better or worse- And there aren't too many who could claim all that Great post. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 24, 2015 13:32:09 GMT -5
A great frontman? He just stood there (usually in terrible clothes with an equally terrible haircut) and just whined and sneered. He was awful but somewhat amusing (albeit in a trainwreck kind of way). History has shown that without his brother he's nothing. Rudderless. Beady Eye had potential but because it didn't do much commercially he prematurely threw in the towel on it. He's clueless. If you're looking for good frontmen I'd suggest Morrissey, Bowie, Iggy, Lydon & Elvis for a start. Liam was just a slightly better version of Ian Brown which isn't saying much. 90% dull/10% unintentionally funny does not a good frontman make. I'll give him this though, he's better than the guy in Coldplay. (I fully expect this to win the most unpopular post of the day award)Maybe the puppy dog trick will help you gain some popularity posts good Sir   |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 13:37:11 GMT -5
1. the only haircut Id possibly call awful that Liam has had is the dora the explorer do, hes had some awesome haircuts, that is basically a fact. 2.this is the "go to" outfit that people find "shit" and he still rocked the fuck out of it. Liams made some pretty bad outfits look remotely cool.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 13:47:14 GMT -5
Here is the rub. I was there in 94 95. 96. Wembley. Knebworth. Most of u just talk about it. I was there ....then
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 24, 2015 14:02:00 GMT -5
Here is the rub. I was there in 94 95. 96. Wembley. Knebworth. Most of u just talk about it. I was there ....then So was I, and to paraphrase, we are getting old! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 14:11:39 GMT -5
Very true. And Maine road. Before most here were born
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 14:19:33 GMT -5
I'll take the youth side of that deal to be honest, but it must have been amazing to see prime Oasis live.
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Post by freddy838 on Nov 24, 2015 14:26:31 GMT -5
I guess it's a bit like The Simpsons, so great in the 90s that you can overlook the sad ropey bits afterwards. Dare I say it but if Liam had joined the 27 club he'd be up there with the very biggest icons ever in music.
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Post by joladella on Nov 24, 2015 14:39:35 GMT -5
A great frontman? He just stood there (usually in terrible clothes with an equally terrible haircut) and
just whined and sneered. He was awful but somewhat amusing (albeit in a trainwreck kind of way). History has shown that without his brother he's nothing. Rudderless. Beady Eye had potential but because it didn't do much commercially he prematurely threw in the towel on it. He's clueless. If you're looking for good frontmen I'd suggest Morrissey, Bowie, Iggy, Lydon & Elvis for a start. Liam was just a slightly better version of Ian Brown which isn't saying much. 90% dull/10% unintentionally funny does not a good frontman make. I'll give him this though, he's better than the guy in Coldplay. (I fully expect this to win the most unpopular post of the day award) See, but that's the beauty of it, he did not need to do anything else. For some people, of course. Unfortunately I only saw him once, with Beady Eye. But that was a kind of "ah, now I get it!". Not everybody does see it/him like that, of course. As for most unpopular post, especially on this forum and in a thread like that, I think you'll have to work harder.  |
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Post by space75gr on Nov 24, 2015 15:39:53 GMT -5
The greatest rock n roll singer of his generation and one of the best British front men of all time. Yes the style and attitude all made Oasis a rollercoaster ride but his greatest attribute was his ability to turn an average song in to an excellent one. To drag tunes up from mediocrity. That's a rare talent indeed. STANDING OVATION +1 amen |
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Nov 24, 2015 16:01:11 GMT -5
By any possible measurement he was a massive success. Really sums it up for me. I'd say he's had a charmed life for someone who did what he could, with what he had. |
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Post by pphillipsukuk on Nov 24, 2015 16:34:56 GMT -5
He has sung on seven number one albums, six (I think) UK number one singles, the band he fronted sold old Wembley five times, Knebworth twice, Madison Square Gardens and The Hollywood Bowl as well as numerus other massive and iconic venues. His solo venture while not massively successful still produced two top three UK albums and in general both Oasis and his low points are at the level that most bands would kill for.
He can be disliked by the majority of the public, some can slam his vocals and no doubt he has a lot of moments in his past that make most people cringe but when you read the above brief outline of some of his achievements I don’t think there can be any doubt what so ever that to go from unemployed scruff from Manchester to where he is now is not just success it Is the thing dreams are made of.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 16:37:12 GMT -5
YOU GOTTA ADMIT. LOVE OR HATE ME. I MOVE THREADS UP. THANK YOU |
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Post by pphillipsukuk on Nov 24, 2015 16:38:39 GMT -5
YOU GOTTA ADMIT. LOVE OR HATE ME. I MOVE THREADS UP. THANK YOU I've always love you mate ha! |
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Post by paperbackwriter on Nov 24, 2015 17:09:11 GMT -5
About the Liam stance, I gotta say that, for me, it works in small venues. If you are close to him, and he is standing right in front of you and everybody around is cramming the rail just to get closer to him, it's a spectacle. But when it's a festival, for example, and you are far from the stage, you cant feel that, and then it doesnt work. Then you need the likes of Bono to make you feel a part of it, even way in the back. I dont get that from Liam
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 24, 2015 17:53:15 GMT -5
Failure. He was a great singer. An excellent frontman and he let both go to shit. He had the world in the palms of his hands, but let it slip through his fingers.
He couldn't control that mouth.
He couldn't control his anger.
He couldn't control his addictions.
He couldn't control his dick.
He couldn't control his relationship with his brother, someone who could always have been there for him.
He couldn't manage to protect his vocals, really the one and only precious thing he had going for him.
All of which has led to his career annihilation.
I have to label him as a former success. Now a failure. It's sad to say. Good thing he has money still, unless he also couldn't control his spending habits. I sincerely hope he's able to get his life straightened out and come back out on top, but in this career, it's damn near impossible once you've already fallen.
I mean, he's not a good singer anymore. So what else does he have if not his voice? Fashion? It appears he is a decent businessman. But I fear that without his name and attachment to Oasis, Pretty Green would be dead in the water.
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Post by pedrobrasil on Nov 24, 2015 18:22:04 GMT -5
Failure??The man was the voice of Oasis,one of the best bands of all time.He had nothing when was young and now worth 60 million dollars.Has a clothing company who turnover 15 millions last year.If this is to fail , I think everyone will be willing to fail.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 24, 2015 18:24:47 GMT -5
Failure. He was a great singer. An excellent frontman and he let both go to shit. He had the world in the palms of his hands, but let it slip through his fingers. He couldn't control that mouth. He couldn't control his anger. He couldn't control his addictions. He couldn't control his dick. He couldn't control his relationship with his brother, someone who could always have been there for him. He couldn't manage to protect his vocals, really the one and only precious thing he had going for him. All of which has led to his career annihilation. I have to label him as a former success. Now a failure. It's sad to say. Good thing he has money still, unless he also couldn't control his spending habits. I sincerely hope he's able to get his life straightened out and come back out on top, but in this career, it's damn near impossible once you've already fallen. I mean, he's not a good singer anymore. So what else does he have if not his voice? Fashion? It appears he is a decent businessman. But I fear that without his name and attachment to Oasis, Pretty Green would be dead in the water. You would describe a lad from Burnage with fuck all who ended up fronting the biggest band in England since the Beatles and for a short time the biggest band in the world a failure? Shit, tough crowd. |
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