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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 26, 2015 23:31:43 GMT -5
Since this thread has gotten a bit heated I'd just like to say for the record I kind of like Liam even though I think he's a yobbo. I'm rooting for him to get through this difficult time. I suppose I fall into the "Team Noel" camp but I'm not blind to how badly Noel treats him. Noel's lucky Liam has never knocked his head off and shit down his neck to be honest. To so completely belittle your own brother repeatedly in interviews is just incredibly bad form. However much of a tool Liam can be his brother is worse and all his charm and humor don't change that. Noel has all the power in that relationship and he's not real nice about it. Poor Liam is stuck having to bite his lip through most of it and that has to be immensely frustrating. I reckon a lot of his bad behavior stems from that. I don't really see Liam as the joke alluded to above, I see him more as a victim. I have to admit I'd get a kick out of it if Liam's next record (if there ever is one) was a big hit and Noel's next opus flopped badly. That would be very interesting were it to happen. Noel could use some humbling. Apparently Heathen Chemistry didn't quite do the trick. This was written like a poem, and had a poignant message. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 27, 2015 0:08:21 GMT -5
Liam will always be a cultural icon in the UK and maybe some parts of Europe. I can't really speak of his impact on the European mainland. Sadly in America, Liam is the punchline for many many jokes and an example of rock n roll excess. Same goes for Noel since he was part of that Oasis bravado between 1997 and 2009 that did not deliver the goods commercially.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 27, 2015 0:34:51 GMT -5
I'm not laughing. Others are. I'm guessing the people thinking and saying this probably aren't fans. That doesn't make their opinions any less reasonable though. Music is subjective after all, just as is ones perception of an individual. Anyone can be ridiculed. Rock star or not. On that we can probably agree (I hope). Chris Martin is often ridiculed, especially by his non-fans. He might play it safe a bit more, but is there anything really wrong with that? Could it be partly the reason why he is so successful? Maybe. Maybe not. In any case, he's done something right and he's reaping the benefits. Good on Chris Martin. Even rock starts have to mature sometime. There is an age where that wild flavor and irresponsibility just isn't appropriate or admirable any longer. Just my opinion. The people you allude to sound like middle class wine drinkers who ask for Adele or Sam Smith to be next up on the Spotify playlist. Liam's attitude of not giving a fuck or caring what people think is something anyone should take on and if they did, the world would be a happier and more care free place. Who would rather be Chris Martin than Liam Gallagher ffs? Maybe they are, maybe they do. What is it to you? Not so much. Considering the consequences of our actions is vital to our survival and by extension, happiness. You kind of need to care to accomplish this. But that's getting into an entirely different topic that belongs more on an Human Evolution forum. Suffice to say, your vision of a "better" world bears a strong resemblance to traits we commonly associate with narcissism and psychopathy. People who like Chris Martin...maybe...? Who could have guessed...? |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 27, 2015 1:24:22 GMT -5
*Sits back and eats popcorn* I love how y'all say more people should not give a fuck yet you're all writing rants of big lengths.  |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 27, 2015 4:33:51 GMT -5
The people you allude to sound like middle class wine drinkers who ask for Adele or Sam Smith to be next up on the Spotify playlist. Liam's attitude of not giving a fuck or caring what people think is something anyone should take on and if they did, the world would be a happier and more care free place. Who would rather be Chris Martin than Liam Gallagher ffs? Maybe they are, maybe they do. What is it to you? Not so much. Considering the consequences of our actions is vital to our survival and by extension, happiness. You kind of need to care to accomplish this. But that's getting into an entirely different topic that belongs more on an Human Evolution forum. Suffice to say, your vision of a "better" world bears a strong resemblance to traits we commonly associate with narcissism and psychopathy. People who like Chris Martin...maybe...? Who could have guessed...? Narcissism as a result of the society we live in is a great example of the way in which we should have more of a Liam Gallagher attitude to life. People who like Chris Martin sound like the people who pass you over a prawn sandwich at the middle class wine bars that you frequently visit. I bet you get tugged off in the urinal by people who own land in parts of Scotland. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 7:49:27 GMT -5
Yes, of course he is a success.
No, his personal life shouldn't be any of our business.
Yes, "teams" are pathetic.
(But, gun to the head, I'd choose Liam...)
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 27, 2015 10:55:17 GMT -5
Maybe they are, maybe they do. What is it to you? Not so much. Considering the consequences of our actions is vital to our survival and by extension, happiness. You kind of need to care to accomplish this. But that's getting into an entirely different topic that belongs more on an Human Evolution forum. Suffice to say, your vision of a "better" world bears a strong resemblance to traits we commonly associate with narcissism and psychopathy. People who like Chris Martin...maybe...? Who could have guessed...? Narcissism as a result of the society we live in is a great example of the way in which we should have more of a Liam Gallagher attitude to life. People who like Chris Martin sound like the people who pass you over a prawn sandwich at the middle class wine bars that you frequently visit. I bet you get tugged off in the urinal by people who own land in parts of Scotland. Is narcissism a result of the society we live in? What's your justification for this claim? And assuming it is indeed a resulting trait based on the society we live in, why on Earth would you consider that a good thing? Narcissism - extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration. You believe that is good? Really?
I think I understand. When I criticized Liam, you became immediately hostile because you personally relate and you took that critique as an attack on your character. You've made it clear that you don't care much for the thoughts and opinions of others, at least, wish you didn't. This seems to be supported by your inability to consider other points of view other than your own (selfishness?), like for instance, that of a Chris Martin fan. I strongly hint that those with a difference of opinion than you, like wine drinkers, those who enjoy Adele or Sam Smith and apparently middle and upper class are beneath you. To top it off, you ignored 'psychopathy' in my post and instead focused solely on 'narcissism' in your response while attempting to persuade me that it's actually a good thing which you believe everyone should follow. Is that a defense of ones own personality? I suspect you already know this, but if you don't, then I'm sorry to say, I think you might be a narcissist. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 27, 2015 11:01:52 GMT -5
What if someone's a fan of Noel,Liam,and Chris Martin?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 27, 2015 11:09:38 GMT -5
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 27, 2015 11:21:49 GMT -5
What if someone's a fan of Noel,Liam,and Chris Martin? Or for a more peaceable take on the question, it could simply mean they have left behind the indie vs rock, hip hop vs dance culture of the late eighties and early nineties, and instead moved on to decide in their own minds on the merits of good music vs bad music  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 27, 2015 12:15:27 GMT -5
What if someone's a fan of Noel,Liam,and Chris Martin? You mean like..me? Well judging from other people's reactions towards me on here, that must mean you're ignorant, a bitch, an idiot etc. I thought we were over that whole team thing, and also that genre thing that just got mentioned. People on here are adults and claim they can think for themselves and all. Well, then do so. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 27, 2015 12:35:24 GMT -5
You would describe a lad from Burnage with fuck all who ended up fronting the biggest band in England since the Beatles and for a short time the biggest band in the world a failure? Shit, tough crowd. If he were still those things? Or if it hadn't ended badly? Or if the public hadn't turned on him? Of course not. Because that would mean he is a success. That of course, isn't true anymore. That's the reality of it. Outside from us fans, nobody really cares about Liam Gallagher anymore. That's what a legacy is all about after all, how one is remembered. To most, he's the guy you joke about at parties if his name is even brought up at all or if anyone even recognizes his name. If you want to call Oasis a success, I'm game. The legacy continues. Many all around the world, fans or not still understand the importance they had in the 90's and how they continue to influence developing bands today. But as far as Liam Gallagher goes, he's a failure. He can't sell records. He can't sing. He's not really liked. That's the legacy he's leaving unless things turn around for him. I don't like to say it anymore than you want to hear, but that's what this thread is about. I'd love to pretend otherwise, but that wouldn't be honest or realistic. Firstly the way in which you judge a man's entire professional career is quite frankly bizzare. You list all his failures without in anyway balancing it by what he achieved. A poor way to judge someone by any standards. He couldn't control that mouth. He couldn't control his anger. He couldn't control his addictions. He couldn't control his dick. He couldn't control his relationship with his brother, someone who could always have been there for him. He couldn't manage to protect his vocals, really the one and only precious thing he had going for him. You have above basically descibed a Rock n Roll star. Some or all of those apply to many of them. Ray Davis to Axl Rose etc etc. Take them all away and well, you end up with Chris Martin. That may be what you want and fair enough if it is. But the fire that Liam clearly had in life at times he took into his singing and it made him an incredible live presence. Noel would probably vomit at the suggestion he was someone 'who could have always been there for him'. I don't think there relationship was ever like that and I think that shows a misunderstanding of Noel more than anything. Do we judge Hendrix, Jim Morrison as failure's? Paul McCartney for being garbage for a large part of his solo career? The Stones have been rubbish for a while too? Liam sold records until his last one. If he never records again, he finished with two top five records and some fine vocal performances on them. Live while patchy he again turned in some excellent perfomances on the final UK tour. His legacy will be as the lead singer and front man of Oasis. People know that now and they will know it in 10 years time. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 27, 2015 12:50:32 GMT -5
If he were still those things? Or if it hadn't ended badly? Or if the public hadn't turned on him? Of course not. Because that would mean he is a success. That of course, isn't true anymore. That's the reality of it. Outside from us fans, nobody really cares about Liam Gallagher anymore. That's what a legacy is all about after all, how one is remembered. To most, he's the guy you joke about at parties if his name is even brought up at all or if anyone even recognizes his name. If you want to call Oasis a success, I'm game. The legacy continues. Many all around the world, fans or not still understand the importance they had in the 90's and how they continue to influence developing bands today. But as far as Liam Gallagher goes, he's a failure. He can't sell records. He can't sing. He's not really liked. That's the legacy he's leaving unless things turn around for him. I don't like to say it anymore than you want to hear, but that's what this thread is about. I'd love to pretend otherwise, but that wouldn't be honest or realistic. Firstly the way in which you judge a man's entire professional career is quite frankly bizzare. You list all his failures without in anyway balancing it by what he achieved. A poor way to judge someone by any standards. He couldn't control that mouth. He couldn't control his anger. He couldn't control his addictions. He couldn't control his dick. He couldn't control his relationship with his brother, someone who could always have been there for him. He couldn't manage to protect his vocals, really the one and only precious thing he had going for him. You have above basically descibed a Rock n Roll star. Some or all of those apply to many of them. Ray Davis to Axl Rose etc etc. Take them all away and well, you end up with Chris Martin. That may be what you want and fair enough if it is. But the fire that Liam clearly had in life at times he took into his singing and it made him an incredible live presence. Noel would probably vomit at the suggestion he was someone 'who could have always been there for him'. I don't think there relationship was ever like that and I think that shows a misunderstanding of Noel more than anything. Do we judge Hendrix, Jim Morrison as failure's? Paul McCartney for being garbage for a large part of his solo career? The Stones have been rubbish for a while too? Liam sold records until his last one. If he never records again, he finished with two top five records and some fine vocal performances on them. Live while patchy he again turned in some excellent perfomances on the final UK tour. His legacy will be as the lead singer and front man of Oasis. People know that now and they will know it in 10 years time. This If Noel keeps being successful as a solo artist it will be just a plus and his legend will grow (a bit like Weller),but their legacy was built once they had played Knebworth We agree a bit too much with each other these days Tom,don't we?  |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 27, 2015 14:38:39 GMT -5
If he were still those things? Or if it hadn't ended badly? Or if the public hadn't turned on him? Of course not. Because that would mean he is a success. That of course, isn't true anymore. That's the reality of it. Outside from us fans, nobody really cares about Liam Gallagher anymore. That's what a legacy is all about after all, how one is remembered. To most, he's the guy you joke about at parties if his name is even brought up at all or if anyone even recognizes his name. If you want to call Oasis a success, I'm game. The legacy continues. Many all around the world, fans or not still understand the importance they had in the 90's and how they continue to influence developing bands today. But as far as Liam Gallagher goes, he's a failure. He can't sell records. He can't sing. He's not really liked. That's the legacy he's leaving unless things turn around for him. I don't like to say it anymore than you want to hear, but that's what this thread is about. I'd love to pretend otherwise, but that wouldn't be honest or realistic. Firstly the way in which you judge a man's entire professional career is quite frankly bizzare. You list all his failures without in anyway balancing it by what he achieved. A poor way to judge someone by any standards. He couldn't control that mouth. He couldn't control his anger. He couldn't control his addictions. He couldn't control his dick. He couldn't control his relationship with his brother, someone who could always have been there for him. He couldn't manage to protect his vocals, really the one and only precious thing he had going for him. You have above basically descibed a Rock n Roll star. Some or all of those apply to many of them. Ray Davis to Axl Rose etc etc. Take them all away and well, you end up with Chris Martin. That may be what you want and fair enough if it is. But the fire that Liam clearly had in life at times he took into his singing and it made him an incredible live presence. Noel would probably vomit at the suggestion he was someone 'who could have always been there for him'. I don't think there relationship was ever like that and I think that shows a misunderstanding of Noel more than anything. Do we judge Hendrix, Jim Morrison as failure's? Paul McCartney for being garbage for a large part of his solo career? The Stones have been rubbish for a while too? Liam sold records until his last one. If he never records again, he finished with two top five records and some fine vocal performances on them. Live while patchy he again turned in some excellent perfomances on the final UK tour. His legacy will be as the lead singer and front man of Oasis. People know that now and they will know it in 10 years time. I find that his successes are weighed down by his failures. As I stated before, I do not disregard his achievements. Musical success is not necessarily personal success. I think it's important to distinguish the two if we are to discuss legacy, but they both are important to determine overall status. I don't think we could claim beyond all reasonable doubt that Liam would not have been the charismatic front man without his media antics and destructive behavior. I find the typical view of the rock n roll lifestyle to be somewhat redundant and certainly nothing to be proud of. I have no problem with partying, drug use, sleeping around (assuming consent) or in general, having fun by whatever means one desires so long as it's not done in excess to the point in which those actions harm others or oneself. That is where I draw the line. If I had familiar siblings, I would try my best to not take the relationship for granted. Maybe I would not be able to control it, as often siblings do not get along. I don't know. But it makes sense to me to not burn that bridge. While Noel and Liam might both vomit at the thought of supporting one another and being in good standing, I think we could at least agree that it's ideal and more productive for them both, considering they did create Oasis. I can't really say anything on Morrison or The Stones, as I am not familiar enough with them. However, Hendrix is absolutely a personal failure. I think that is blatantly obvious. Musically though, a success. McCartney, I would say is a success. He has had a fruitful solo career and is well liked personally by the public. I find him to be a bit self involved, although he's gotten much kinder over the years. Note, I am not a fan of McCartney's solo career. The great thing about a legacy is that the fans typically only remember the high points while ignoring the low points. Purely as a fan, I would agree with you. Liam is musically a success, but I can't claim that he is personally a success. I love Oasis as well as both of Beady Eyes albums, but like I said before, I am also a realist. Fan love is heavily biased often to the point of blindness. I can't consciously ignore Liam's failures and I find it disingenuous to do so. I'm considering his legacy from a wider reach, from a view that poses the question of his relevancy in a world full of music. I don't think worldwide perception of Liam Gallagher is overtly positive, either musically or personally. I think his failures weigh him down considerably. 2 great albums. 1 average album. The rest being disappointments to the world at large. That's just musically. Not yet factoring in public opinion of his likability. I probably view Liam's career pessimistically, but it's how I feel nonetheless if I step outside the fandom. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 14:48:47 GMT -5
Give me someone like Chris Martin who knows who he is and is comfortable with it than one of the countless braindead frontmen who spend their days seeking acceptance by desperately living out someone else's idea of "rock 'n' roll".
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Post by underneaththesky on Nov 27, 2015 19:02:17 GMT -5
Give me someone like Chris Martin who knows who he is and is comfortable with it than one of the countless braindead frontmen who spend their days seeking acceptance by desperately living out someone else's idea of "rock 'n' roll". BOO  |
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Post by underneaththesky on Nov 27, 2015 19:09:28 GMT -5
fuck that succes, and Liam's legacy hahahahha what's this about?
here you fucking go
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 27, 2015 23:26:50 GMT -5
Narcissism as a result of the society we live in is a great example of the way in which we should have more of a Liam Gallagher attitude to life. People who like Chris Martin sound like the people who pass you over a prawn sandwich at the middle class wine bars that you frequently visit. I bet you get tugged off in the urinal by people who own land in parts of Scotland. Is narcissism a result of the society we live in? What's your justification for this claim? And assuming it is indeed a resulting trait based on the society we live in, why on Earth would you consider that a good thing? Narcissism - extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration. You believe that is good? Really?
I think I understand. When I criticized Liam, you became immediately hostile because you personally relate and you took that critique as an attack on your character. You've made it clear that you don't care much for the thoughts and opinions of others, at least, wish you didn't. This seems to be supported by your inability to consider other points of view other than your own (selfishness?), like for instance, that of a Chris Martin fan. I strongly hint that those with a difference of opinion than you, like wine drinkers, those who enjoy Adele or Sam Smith and apparently middle and upper class are beneath you. To top it off, you ignored 'psychopathy' in my post and instead focused solely on 'narcissism' in your response while attempting to persuade me that it's actually a good thing which you believe everyone should follow. Is that a defense of ones own personality? I suspect you already know this, but if you don't, then I'm sorry to say, I think you might be a narcissist. In my response I meant that not giving a fuck is a great way of not being narcissistic? Hardly supported the notion of it. Anyway, its clear that you've had too much wine and prawn sandwiches. Why don't you ask the resident Butler to ring a taxi and you can rate your evening on the way home with your spouse who's probably noshing off another man called Rufus every time you go to work. |
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Post by glider on Nov 28, 2015 0:04:29 GMT -5
fuck that succes, and Liam's legacy hahahahha what's this about? here you fucking go This is why you're one of the best posters. You could care less about this stuff and just go OASIS! As it should be.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 4:28:19 GMT -5
Since this thread has gotten a bit heated I'd just like to say for the record I kind of like Liam even though I think he's a yobbo. I'm rooting for him to get through this difficult time. I suppose I fall into the "Team Noel" camp but I'm not blind to how badly Noel treats him. Noel's lucky Liam has never knocked his head off and shit down his neck to be honest. To so completely belittle your own brother repeatedly in interviews is just incredibly bad form. However much of a tool Liam can be his brother is worse and all his charm and humor don't change that. Noel has all the power in that relationship and he's not real nice about it. Poor Liam is stuck having to bite his lip through most of it and that has to be immensely frustrating. I reckon a lot of his bad behavior stems from that. I don't really see Liam as the joke alluded to above, I see him more as a victim. I have to admit I'd get a kick out of it if Liam's next record (if there ever is one) was a big hit and Noel's next opus flopped badly. That would be very interesting were it to happen. Noel could use some humbling. Apparently Heathen Chemistry didn't quite do the trick. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 28, 2015 7:01:05 GMT -5
Give me someone like Chris Martin who knows who he is and is comfortable with it than one of the countless braindead frontmen who spend their days seeking acceptance by desperately living out someone else's idea of "rock 'n' roll". I have nothing at all againt Chris Martin I don't know him and from what I see he seems like quite a nice bloke tbh. I just wouldn't want all Chris Martins, you want some variety in music and there is room for a Liam or two. Especially now. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 28, 2015 11:30:19 GMT -5
Firstly the way in which you judge a man's entire professional career is quite frankly bizzare. You list all his failures without in anyway balancing it by what he achieved. A poor way to judge someone by any standards. He couldn't control that mouth. He couldn't control his anger. He couldn't control his addictions. He couldn't control his dick. He couldn't control his relationship with his brother, someone who could always have been there for him. He couldn't manage to protect his vocals, really the one and only precious thing he had going for him. You have above basically descibed a Rock n Roll star. Some or all of those apply to many of them. Ray Davis to Axl Rose etc etc. Take them all away and well, you end up with Chris Martin. That may be what you want and fair enough if it is. But the fire that Liam clearly had in life at times he took into his singing and it made him an incredible live presence. Noel would probably vomit at the suggestion he was someone 'who could have always been there for him'. I don't think there relationship was ever like that and I think that shows a misunderstanding of Noel more than anything. Do we judge Hendrix, Jim Morrison as failure's? Paul McCartney for being garbage for a large part of his solo career? The Stones have been rubbish for a while too? Liam sold records until his last one. If he never records again, he finished with two top five records and some fine vocal performances on them. Live while patchy he again turned in some excellent perfomances on the final UK tour. His legacy will be as the lead singer and front man of Oasis. People know that now and they will know it in 10 years time. This If Noel keeps being successful as a solo artist it will be just a plus and his legend will grow (a bit like Weller),but their legacy was built once they had played Knebworth We agree a bit too much with each other these days Tom,don't we? Isn't that one of the seven harbingers of the apocalypse?   |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 28, 2015 13:05:56 GMT -5
Give me someone like Chris Martin who knows who he is and is comfortable with it than one of the countless braindead frontmen who spend their days seeking acceptance by desperately living out someone else's idea of "rock 'n' roll". Chris Martin IMO has been as guilty as Liam in that sense, whether it is aligning himself to 'worthy' political causes, playing up to the nice guy image in every interview certainly that I have seen or read, and as Liam with Lennon I still remember 02-05 when he wouldn't shut up about Ian McCulloch- not that there's anything wrong with praising Echo & The Bunnymen mind you! I think both Chris Martin and Liam Gallagher, especially now, are actually representing who they are, whether they were that initially or have become that person over time.I wouldn't say Liam is desperately living out someone else's idea of rock n' roll, in all honesty he reminds me of a few people I grew up with if they had access to the level of fame he has had and the money he has earned- The lad from the pub & work who left school, you saw him around the estate then all of a sudden he's a big deal but still the same geezer type underneath it all, just magnified by scrutiny and wealth. Likewise Chris Martin in all seriousness reminds me of the University Student who starts out in their late teens exploring political ideas and heroes, coming across as very earnest but lacking fully fleshed ideas before maturing in their studies and after graduation, and finding their own ideals from which they live and state their point of view. This is not an attack on either man, but more of a way of saying they are such completely different people IMO that it can be hard to judge one against the other in some respects. For me a cautionary tale of a band who knew who they were and never sought acceptance would have been the Manic Street Preachers between 1992 and 1996. I accept they were a walking contradiction of "controversial" rock n' roll statement and imagery, yet the music they created during those first four albums was, in turn, a savage critique of modern life, introspective miserablism looking introspectively, and nihilistic politically charged songs of alienation before returning with a collection of life affirming anthems in the face of some of the most extreme adversity that a band in recent memory has had to deal with (BTW if it isn't clear, I quite like the Manics ). The point there is that the Manic Street Preachers at times could play up to that Rock n' Roll image but were certainly not brain dead, and equally (particularly Nicky Wire and Richey Edwards) were comfortable discussing political and social ideals whilst being acutely aware of who they were. This, whilst laudable in some aspects, did not allow for any change of heart or backing off, and attracted the kind of fans who make these threads look like casual weekend listeners. In Richey's case perhaps he was the most and far too honest. I don't wonder like alot of people did what happened to the man, I more wonder how on earth he lasted as long as he did inside that mind. For that reason alone perhaps if they do put on a front rather than be nakedly honest at all times maybe we should be happy for Chris and Liam that they can do so, rather than exposing at all times to a world that is quick to judge, and even quicker to condemn. Anyway from this post we can determine that one should never compose thread replies whilst hungover- now bleak outlook off, I am going to relieve my youth with a MSP first 4 LPs marathon |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 13:43:03 GMT -5
Give me someone like Chris Martin who knows who he is and is comfortable with it than one of the countless braindead frontmen who spend their days seeking acceptance by desperately living out someone else's idea of "rock 'n' roll". Chris Martin IMO has been as guilty as Liam in that sense, whether it is aligning himself to 'worthy' political causes, playing up to the nice guy image in every interview certainly that I have seen or read, and as Liam with Lennon I still remember 02-05 when he wouldn't shut up about Ian McCulloch- not that there's anything wrong with praising Echo & The Bunnymen mind you! I think both Chris Martin and Liam Gallagher, especially now, are actually representing who they are, whether they were that initially or have become that person over time.I wouldn't say Liam is desperately living out someone else's idea of rock n' roll, in all honesty he reminds me of a few people I grew up with if they had access to the level of fame he has had and the money he has earned- The lad from the pub & work who left school, you saw him around the estate then all of a sudden he's a big deal but still the same geezer type underneath it all, just magnified by scrutiny and wealth. Likewise Chris Martin in all seriousness reminds me of the University Student who starts out in their late teens exploring political ideas and heroes, coming across as very earnest but lacking fully fleshed ideas before maturing in their studies and after graduation, and finding their own ideals from which they live and state their point of view. This is not an attack on either man, but more of a way of saying they are such completely different people IMO that it can be hard to judge one against the other in some respects. For me a cautionary tale of a band who knew who they were and never sought acceptance would have been the Manic Street Preachers between 1992 and 1996. I accept they were a walking contradiction of "controversial" rock n' roll statement and imagery, yet the music they created during those first four albums was, in turn, a savage critique of modern life, introspective miserablism looking introspectively, and nihilistic politically charged songs of alienation before returning with a collection of life affirming anthems in the face of some of the most extreme adversity that a band in recent memory has had to deal with (BTW if it isn't clear, I quite like the Manics ). The point there is that the Manic Street Preachers at times could play up to that Rock n' Roll image but were certainly not brain dead, and equally (particularly Nicky Wire and Richey Edwards) were comfortable discussing political and social ideals whilst being acutely aware of who they were. This, whilst laudable in some aspects, did not allow for any change of heart or backing off, and attracted the kind of fans who make these threads look like casual weekend listeners. In Richey's case perhaps he was the most and far too honest. I don't wonder like alot of people did what happened to the man, I more wonder how on earth he lasted as long as he did inside that mind. For that reason alone perhaps if they do put on a front rather than be nakedly honest at all times maybe we should be happy for Chris and Liam that they can do so, rather than exposing at all times to a world that is quick to judge, and even quicker to condemn. Anyway from this post we can determine that one should never compose thread replies whilst hungover- now bleak outlook off, I am going to relieve my youth with a MSP first 4 LPs marathon To be clear, I wasn't talking about Liam in that post - just the frontmen who desperately want to live the dream he had. Personally I just think Chris Martin just genuinely is a really nice guy and honestly believes what he says. My point was that I'd rather have someone like him who doesn't smoke, take drugs etc...but also doesn't care because he'd rather be himself than be cool, than someone who is the other way around - wearing leather, taking coke and drinking purely because they've been told that's what rock stars do. |
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