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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 24, 2015 19:03:00 GMT -5
Failure. He was a great singer. An excellent frontman and he let both go to shit. He had the world in the palms of his hands, but let it slip through his fingers. He couldn't control that mouth. He couldn't control his anger. He couldn't control his addictions. He couldn't control his dick. He couldn't control his relationship with his brother, someone who could always have been there for him. He couldn't manage to protect his vocals, really the one and only precious thing he had going for him. All of which has led to his career annihilation. I have to label him as a former success. Now a failure. It's sad to say. Good thing he has money still, unless he also couldn't control his spending habits. I sincerely hope he's able to get his life straightened out and come back out on top, but in this career, it's damn near impossible once you've already fallen. I mean, he's not a good singer anymore. So what else does he have if not his voice? Fashion? It appears he is a decent businessman. But I fear that without his name and attachment to Oasis, Pretty Green would be dead in the water. You would describe a lad from Burnage with fuck all who ended up fronting the biggest band in England since the Beatles and for a short time the biggest band in the world a failure? Shit, tough crowd. If he were still those things? Or if it hadn't ended badly? Or if the public hadn't turned on him? Of course not. Because that would mean he is a success. That of course, isn't true anymore. That's the reality of it. Outside from us fans, nobody really cares about Liam Gallagher anymore. That's what a legacy is all about after all, how one is remembered. To most, he's the guy you joke about at parties if his name is even brought up at all or if anyone even recognizes his name. If you want to call Oasis a success, I'm game. The legacy continues. Many all around the world, fans or not still understand the importance they had in the 90's and how they continue to influence developing bands today. But as far as Liam Gallagher goes, he's a failure. He can't sell records. He can't sing. He's not really liked. That's the legacy he's leaving unless things turn around for him. I don't like to say it anymore than you want to hear, but that's what this thread is about. I'd love to pretend otherwise, but that wouldn't be honest or realistic. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 25, 2015 0:46:26 GMT -5
You would describe a lad from Burnage with fuck all who ended up fronting the biggest band in England since the Beatles and for a short time the biggest band in the world a failure? Shit, tough crowd. If he were still those things? Or if it hadn't ended badly? Or if the public hadn't turned on him? Of course not. Because that would mean he is a success. That of course, isn't true anymore. That's the reality of it. Outside from us fans, nobody really cares about Liam Gallagher anymore. That's what a legacy is all about after all, how one is remembered. To most, he's the guy you joke about at parties if his name is even brought up at all or if anyone even recognizes his name. If you want to call Oasis a success, I'm game. The legacy continues. Many all around the world, fans or not still understand the importance they had in the 90's and how they continue to influence developing bands today. But as far as Liam Gallagher goes, he's a failure. He can't sell records. He can't sing. He's not really liked. That's the legacy he's leaving unless things turn around for him. I don't like to say it anymore than you want to hear, but that's what this thread is about. I'd love to pretend otherwise, but that wouldn't be honest or realistic. Typical Noel brigade at its best. The man you joke about at parties? Your parties sound fucking shit mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 1:38:52 GMT -5
If Liam never records again , I'll be ok with that , if he does I'll be thrilled ......but what I really want , is one last Gallagher swagger statement on vynil ..... .something only Liam can produce . It's something Noel could never achieve .....which is why they were a perfect storm one had the brain the other the swagger
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Post by andymorris on Nov 25, 2015 5:13:56 GMT -5
Just like every other once successful frontman, getting old turned him from icon to some celebrity guy you see on the street. He would have to prove he's a great songwriter now to reach another status... exactly why Noel is still relevant in the eye of bigger audience, because he's a musician. Liam was more just a face to most people.
But no one can call him a failure. He was bigger than the Beatles for a few years, that's not underachievement. Far from it.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Nov 25, 2015 9:32:23 GMT -5
Of course he's gonna record again. He is totally capable of doing it, and it would probably bring him more satisfaction than anything he has ever done. If he will do a solo record, with a wise promotion, good singles and all that stuff ? My bet is that then he can compete with Noel's solo albums easily in terms of commercial success. And that would be a perfect final chapter of their story. They're both great, and Liam totally deserves bigger reward and respect than he is getting right now. I wouldn't give it up now if i was him. All he needs is a cool cover and 3 songs as good as I'm Outta Time. It's easy.
I'm not buying that story that Noel is the talented one and Liam is a knobhead or whatever. People who are saying that just don't get this band right. If Liam will never do anything musically again on his own, i will be dissapointed, but still HE was the lead singer of Oasis. That's not bad. I also don't think his personal life is our buisness, or his addictions, or bad behaviour matter that much for that case. This is not a career center, or a beauty contest, this is rock n roll, it's not about your life, it's about music you make. The main mistake he made was forming Beady Eye probably. They were never meant to be a successful band.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Nov 25, 2015 10:44:40 GMT -5
I would be proud if in my legacy there would be a record like "BE" especially if it would be my last one. Don`t care how many know about it, but care about the people who will discover it as a hidden gem.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 10:45:53 GMT -5
If he records again. I hope he just let it all hang out ......balls out. I would like that
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 10:52:12 GMT -5
Liam at his best ....is as good a front man that ever lived ......he may not have the test of time like say mick but he certainly shined as bright .....albeit brief
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Post by bestwick8 on Nov 25, 2015 11:01:13 GMT -5
What I never understood was why everyone always hated Liam and not Noel... They were both equal dicks and cut everyone down. I personally thought it was awesome but Noel never seems to get any backlash or anyone making fun of him...
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Nov 25, 2015 11:04:44 GMT -5
Liam at his best ....is as good a front man that ever lived ......he may not have the test of time like say mick but he certainly shined as bright .....albeit brief I think that is worth a discussion. I think Mick is just a glimpse of a shadow of his personality in the late 60s. Sure he is around but to me he seems like the director of one big traveling circus now. |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Nov 25, 2015 11:06:50 GMT -5
What I never understood was why everyone always hated Liam and not Noel... They were both equal dicks and cut everyone down. I personally thought it was awesome but Noel never seems to get any backlash or anyone making fun of him... maybe as blatant as it sounds, he was in the center of the stage. Liam was the first glimpse everyone had, watching "wonderwall" etc. Noel was the songwriter and mind, but Liam was the most recognisable I think. But that buggers me too. Never understood this thing, cause like you said Noel was an equal dickhead if not even bigger IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 11:10:09 GMT -5
I always thought mick was the greatest " star ". But as a singer  ?? Please. He is not even in my top 100. As a vocalist |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Nov 25, 2015 11:16:58 GMT -5
I always thought mick was the greatest " star ". But as a singer ?? Please. He is not even in my top 100. As a vocalist he is a great entertainer yes  . but to be hones I think he is horrible as a singer since the late 70s. this truly awul "Still life" live record .... shivers on my spine. |
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Post by bestwick8 on Nov 25, 2015 11:18:50 GMT -5
What I never understood was why everyone always hated Liam and not Noel... They were both equal dicks and cut everyone down. I personally thought it was awesome but Noel never seems to get any backlash or anyone making fun of him... maybe as blatant as it sounds, he was in the center of the stage. Liam was the first glimpse everyone had, watching "wonderwall" etc. Noel was the songwriter and mind, but Liam was the most recognisable I think. But that buggers me too. Never understood this thing, cause like you said Noel was an equal dickhead if not even bigger IMO. I kind of thought too that it was because Noel was always considered the talent because he wrote all the songs and during interviews he always came off funny and sarcastic. Whereas Liam was a bit more stiff and only gave one word answers. Didn't Noel at one point say Liam wasn't allowed to do interviews because he would say something stupid? Maybe Noel just knew how to represent himself towards media and looked like the more civilized and nicer one... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 11:19:26 GMT -5
I always thought mick was the greatest " star ". But as a singer ?? Please. He is not even in my top 100. As a vocalist he is a great entertainer yes . but to be hones I think he is horrible as a singer since the late 70s. this truly awul "Still life" live record .... shivers on my spine. She was hot. With Anita Morris. Nuff said. Awful |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Nov 25, 2015 11:20:42 GMT -5
he is a great entertainer yes . but to be hones I think he is horrible as a singer since the late 70s. this truly awul "Still life" live record .... shivers on my spine. She was hot. With Anita Morris. Nuff said. Awful the worst "Satisfaction" ever! so no satisfaction at all ... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 11:22:41 GMT -5
And let's not forget. Micks awful remake of beast of burden. With Bette milder. These kids have no clue how bad that was
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Nov 25, 2015 11:23:30 GMT -5
And let's not forget. Micks awful remake of beast of burden. With Bette milder. These kids have no clue how bad that was Or his solo tour, where they were playing more and more stones songs .... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 11:23:56 GMT -5
But Guy Fawkes. Thinks they were the bees knees  Nope that was led zep. They never collaborated with Bette milder .......solo or as a band. Thanks  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 25, 2015 12:03:08 GMT -5
I've seen the Stones last year and they kicked ass.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Nov 25, 2015 12:07:57 GMT -5
I believe, that they can still kick ass, but the Stones for me, show what Oasis should never become to me personally. Greatest Hits tours over and over again. They are a great band and one of the biggest influences ever and I LOVE them until 1974 record wise, but they are a brand and everything they fight against and stand for at their time in the 60s.
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Post by mossy on Nov 25, 2015 12:16:55 GMT -5
If he records again. I hope he just let it all hang out ......balls out. I would like that I expect Liam has very good looking balls. Well proportioned. Trimmed. Not too much like, but tidy and not a shaggy mess. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 25, 2015 12:59:00 GMT -5
I believe, that they can still kick ass, but the Stones for me, show what Oasis should never become to me personally. Greatest Hits tours over and over again. They are a great band and one of the biggest influences ever and I LOVE them until 1974 record wise, but they are a brand and everything they fight against and stand for at their time in the 60s. Wouldn't say Mick stood against anything really, he was very much like his fitness instructor father Joe, sticking to the rigorous exercise regime that his dad instilled in him throughout The Stones history, investing in financial institutes and properties, mixing with higher society types, etc. With the drugs bust it's well documented he took the rap for Marion Faithfull, and unfortunately with Brian Jones having legal issues re: drugs already and the wider clampdown by the establishment he and Keith were made an example of by the "justice" system. Can't disagree with your assessment of them as a brand though. As much as I love their music it was Mick and the band's advisers who came up with the 1981 tour being commercially endorsed, which was a first in the industry and something they have continued to do with as you say, repeated greatest hits tours and marketing opportunities. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 25, 2015 13:06:45 GMT -5
The Stones had this image of working class guys, while they all grew up in the middle class. So when you say they were standing for something I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 25, 2015 13:08:26 GMT -5
Of course he's gonna record again. He is totally capable of doing it, and it would probably bring him more satisfaction than anything he has ever done. If he will do a solo record, with a wise promotion, good singles and all that stuff ? My bet is that then he can compete with Noel's solo albums easily in terms of commercial success. And that would be a perfect final chapter of their story. They're both great, and Liam totally deserves bigger reward and respect than he is getting right now. I wouldn't give it up now if i was him. All he needs is a cool cover and 3 songs as good as I'm Outta Time. It's easy. I'm not buying that story that Noel is the talented one and Liam is a knobhead or whatever. People who are saying that just don't get this band right. If Liam will never do anything musically again on his own, i will be dissapointed, but still HE was the lead singer of Oasis. That's not bad. I also don't think his personal life is our buisness, or his addictions, or bad behaviour matter that much for that case. This is not a career center, or a beauty contest, this is rock n roll, it's not about your life, it's about music you make. The main mistake he made was forming Beady Eye probably. They were never meant to be a successful band. This. Liam is every bit as famous as Noel. You give him some time to create something special and he has every chance of shutting a lot of people up. |
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?? Please. He is not even in my top 100. As a vocalist 
Nope that was led zep. They never collaborated with Bette milder .......solo or as a band. 
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