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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on May 13, 2016 12:44:42 GMT -5
It's like Beady Eye doing The Stone Roses on whiskey. You might be joking, but this is very seriously a Stone Roses version of Beady Eye. Not the good Beady Eye that did FLW or Flick of the Finger, the 1960s-cover-band Beady Eye that did Wind Up Dream and Standing on the Edge... The initial reaction comes close to Bring the Light being the first BDI tune too - somewhat enjoyable really, but lacking any of the big draws the band used to have. All for One to Love Spreads/Fools Gold is like Bring the Light to Shock of the Lightning/Falling Down. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 12:46:10 GMT -5
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Post by glider on May 13, 2016 12:58:04 GMT -5
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Post by matt on May 13, 2016 13:20:50 GMT -5
I've slept on my thoughts on the tune, and before I went to bed last night, had one last listen. I can assure you I'll never want to hear this song again. Alot of you need to understand (and theyknowwhatimean knows this), is I've held the Roses, both in their debut, madchester, and second coming periods, to much high regard. TSR and SC are two incredible albums in my opinion. Even with the Second Coming era, which was filled with Squire solos and hard blues rock influence, still maintained the classic grooves and excellent musicianship by each member. Begging You is still a very refreshing and non-dated track. So why have I come to realize why I don't like this song? It's simple: the Roses were always about style, groove, and their unique individual sounds combined made a whole that sonically blew many other artists out of the water. Reni's beats and drum fills had a distinctive sound to them, you could feel the groove, just as with Mani's basslines. Squire's guitar tone was in proper form and equated to this back section, and while Brown's vocals, rather than standing out as a frontman style sound, was so much a part of the instrumentation. All For One has absolutely none of these things. It sounds like a generic britpop band that sprung up during the mid to late 90s wanting to sound like Oasis. There's no groove or style, and nothing that gets you to go "Hell yeah that's the Roses! Holy sh*t that wicked bassline and drumming!" Instead, you get Squire phoning it in on a Seahorses-style random guitar solo (and keep in mind I loved the Seahorses material). Not much to discuss about the lyrics, but it's safe to say that Ian in his solo endeavors kicks the living hell out of this easily, and Ian has crafted some strong work from that career. When I'm at the point where I'm searching for something to enjoy out of a song, it's basically me telling myself it's not good. But what hurts the most is not only is it not a good track, it's a terrible track by the Roses standard, and they set a pretty high bar. At the very least, I expected some Second Coming style hard blues rock with a minor hip hop influence, similar to what Brown did with Love Spreads at Heaton Park. It would be different, but at least on point to an extent. And please, was that really Reni drumming? Where's the classic groove? Where is it? Seriously? Couldn't even hear Mani, that Epworth fellow really doesn't understand the Roses enough to realize Mani isn't supposed to be mixed in with the drums, he has a distinct role in the sound. No Ian-Reni harmonies either! Wtf? Don't even start on the meaningless chorus repetition, not much here folks. Replace Ian's vocals with Chris Helme and this could be written off as a Seahorses b-side. Worst case scenario seems even more likely after finding out the physical vinyl doesn't ship out till July - they've half-assed and farted this one out quickly due to public pressure of the upcoming gigs, and there really isn't any album coming. If this is the last thing they've recorded, then they've truly f'd up the legacy. The last single really should've been Begging You if this is the case. I knew that worry steeming from myself when finding out it was going to be played on Radio 1 wasn't just knee-jerk nervousness. This is a piss-poor anthem from guys who I believe have released one of the best albums of all time. Absolutely agree. I totally get your sense of disappointment. Main thing that worries me is Paul Epworth producing an entire album. That bloke is the epitome of bland mainstream consumption - I've always boked whenever I see his name associated with an artist I like and the results have inevitably been the aural equivalent of beige wallpaper. While I like many parts of Second Coming, I always wish that Fools Gold was the signal towards a more dance infused album. In my mind, that's the album I've been wanting from them, and in a parallel universe it is the magnum opus follow up to their sensational debut. What made the Stone Roses special is that they transcended the limits of indie guitar pop by fusing it with dance, funk and acid house. The sparkling intricacies and nuances of Reni, Mani and Squire where all musicians were vying for your attention gave their tunes a groovy hypnotic feel, and Ian Brown's laid back hushed vocals and melody added to that sense you were floating through air - genuinely they were ecstacy set to music. All For One is a crushing disappointment in that it is the opposite of the hazy, summery sound they excelled at. The tune is yet another blow for sonic geeks as it suffers from the 'loudness war' where everything is compressed to the max. The dynamics are poor and everything's been thrown to the front of the speakers. But I'm probably deluding myself if the lack of dynamism is down to the poor production (yeah yeah, I know a lot of folk hate this word on here but it's an important element of how bands interpret a song). The fact is with good production, nothing would stand out even then - a massive worry for a band who I believe at their best are the greatest and most cohesive rhythm section of all time. Mani's funk inspired grooves have vanished, while Reni's versatile and nimbly executed drumming is non-existent. Squire's licks here are technically impressive, but the overall harsh and bland tone and melody is at odds with the sparkle of old. Brown sings with conviction but even that fails to obscure a bland melody which only exposes the god awful lyrics even more. This is fine for your Pigeon Detectives and Enemy's. They were always shallow by imitating the Roses image and what they think made the band cool anyway, without actually understanding the true musical magic of the band. But this is why it's so disappointing - while I can easily ignore those bands, I can't ignore the Stone Roses. They're a part of my youth and I'm not so emotionally disconnected from my past to let loose with such nostalgia! They're a unique band who have created unique music but as much as I don't like to think about it, at the moment they're just another band. The whole point of The Stone Roses was not just to be 'another band'. |
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 13, 2016 13:24:23 GMT -5
This song might have actually made Thom Yorke jealous in the 90's. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on May 13, 2016 14:29:12 GMT -5
I think they need to start listening to The Byrds again.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 13, 2016 14:44:04 GMT -5
Someone earlier mentioned that it sounded like a Cast song from 1996 and I strongly agree with that.
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Post by sortitout1471 on May 13, 2016 14:56:25 GMT -5
Northern Uproar B-side circa 1997
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Post by KRRRRRRR on May 13, 2016 15:07:38 GMT -5
A day later and it still sounds like The Monkees.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 16:03:30 GMT -5
Just wondering, what kind of reception did Love Spreads recieve back in '94? All For One has clearly divided the fan base, it seems a lot of people hate it which I understand but don't agree with. I still think they're capable of even better. It caught alot of people off guard in the sense it was a poor choice of a radio single. Kind of left old fans dismayed, but eventually people came around to it. It was a matter of "this is what we want to sound like and if you don't like it then f off" vibe rather than the half-assed effort and get faux-nolstagic praise All for One is. I really want to know what you like about to be honest. Catchy, optimistic and featuring some brilliant guitar work from Squire. I definitely understand The Seahorses comparisons, but it really does sound fuck all like Beady Eye. If it was a Beady Eye song, it would be their 2nd best behind Flick Of The Finger. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on May 13, 2016 19:21:57 GMT -5
The Second Coming sound is still pretty cool. It also fits Ian's voice perfectly, which is definitely not the case on All for One... |
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Post by Headmaster on May 13, 2016 20:35:53 GMT -5
About Second Coming, at the time people were expecting something like the single Fool's Gold, something more groovy like on their debut, but they came totally different, Squire sounded like Jimmy Page and the album sounded more like a fucking Led Zeppelin clone.
Nowadays is easy to admire Second Coming for what it is, but at the time it was a shock, but not in a good way, they used to have their own signature sound and all of sudden they sounded like somebody else.
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Post by matt on May 13, 2016 20:42:17 GMT -5
About Second Coming, at the time people were expecting something like the single Fool's Gold, something more groovy like on their debut, but they came totally different, Squire sounded like Jimmy Page and the album sounded more like a fucking Led Zeppelin clone. Nowadays is easy to admire Second Coming for what it is, but at the time it was a shock, but not in a good way, they used to have their own signature sound and all of sudden they sounded like somebody else. Exactly - that was the problem. They just became another band to listen to, not THE band to listen to. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 14, 2016 8:45:53 GMT -5
Someone earlier mentioned that it sounded like a Cast song from 1996 and I strongly agree with that. That was me. Innit. |
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Post by oasisserbia on May 14, 2016 9:31:56 GMT -5
Someone earlier mentioned that it sounded like a Cast song from 1996 and I strongly agree with that. That was me. Innit. You are awesome, man! |
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Post by carlober on May 14, 2016 15:23:10 GMT -5
Two days later.
I like it even less than before... it's actually become a bit annoying.
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Post by batfink30 on May 14, 2016 16:01:46 GMT -5
Two days later. I like it even less than before... it's actually become a bit annoying. It's horrible in every way. |
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 14, 2016 16:18:10 GMT -5
The Young Georgian Lolitaz Eurovision Song Contest song is better.
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Post by mystoryisgory on May 14, 2016 16:25:08 GMT -5
Are we absolutely sure that these are the same guys who wrote Sally Cinnamon, I Wanna Be Adored, and Fools Gold?
Seems like there's a hole in my dreams!
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 14, 2016 16:35:24 GMT -5
It's like all these bands who once were great completely lost it.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 14, 2016 16:46:19 GMT -5
Indie Cindy
Chinese Demogracy
A Momentary Lapse of Reason, Endless River
The Weirdness
Endless Wire
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Post by glider on May 14, 2016 16:55:49 GMT -5
Pretty sure this was half assed on purpose by them for either:
A: Pressure to release new music before the gigs so they released something with barely any effort, artwork looks half assed too. Had no plans for an album anyway.
B: Playing devil's advocate with the mainstream music scene as they've always done, and purposefully released this as a diversion, before letting out the psychedelic rock monsters to come on the new album/EP whatnot. Epworth tweeted something cryptic earlier suggesting to this theory. Succumbing to the MOR/ Radio 1 crowd isn't their style and never was.
I just refuse to believe that they deemed this special and worthy of anything. Knowing these guys, they are lazy but still don't release garbage like this, especially Ian if his solo work is anything to go by. I think this was a clever distraction to catch people off guard, and may debut epic tunes during the gigs. I dunno, just trying to stay hopeful. The amount of effort put into marketing this track is remarkably dull for their sake.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 16:56:43 GMT -5
Ill stick with Ians solo stuff I reckon.
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Post by Manualex on May 14, 2016 17:02:23 GMT -5
Indie Cindy Chinese Demogracy A Momentary Lapse of Reason, Endless River The Weirdness Endless Wire of those only the GnR one is good. |
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Post by Headmaster on May 14, 2016 17:11:33 GMT -5
Wonder if the album will be called "Third Act", would have been awesome.
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