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Post by batfink30 on May 13, 2016 7:15:19 GMT -5
I'm not suggesting that "All For One" compares to classics like "Fools Gold" and "Waterfall". It's not even in the same league as "Tears". It's still a fucking great song though! It's really not, it's piss poor, sadly.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 13, 2016 7:45:39 GMT -5
I find the interesting thing about the die hard Stone Roses fans moaning and been heartbroken on dontstop is down to the feeling of been had. They really believed they were THAT much better than everybody else. For years they would sneer at Oasis fans whenever a new album came out with the 'Same old shit, The Roses would be so much more experimental' bollocks really believing there favorite band were some sort of creative geniuses and they genuinely believed it. So now they have finally released a long awaited new record and it sounds like an Oasis B-side. The laughter. It 2016 and Noel Gallagher is creating interesting music like The Right Stuff and While The Song Remains the Same and the mighty, legendary Stone Roses could only come up with that. Oasis 1 - Stone Roses 0 - As it always was anyway. I love both bands. Noel was inspired by the Roses (My signature) and so was Liam so without them, no Oasis. Or different Oasis anyway. And I wouldn't use Noel as one "creating interesting music". He's great and I love him and I love his records more than anything released by Oasis post 2000 but it's always the same cup of tea with the same chords. And The Right Stuff isn't definitely great, more like a nice try. Also both bands were brilliant at their peak. If we talk about bland material The Stone Roses have at least 3 bland albums to release before "challenging" OasisI agree - though - that most Stone Roses fans are a pain in the... Agree with this, barring the highlighted bit. I know it's a bit picky of me, as well as being probably quite pointless - seeing as it's all subjective anyway - but I'd say Oasis only released two bland records. SOTSOG and DOYS did at least have some good ideas and they went into record them with the right intentions, they just weren't, as collections of songs, that good... just like Second Coming!
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Post by Rolo on May 13, 2016 7:49:00 GMT -5
I'm not suggesting that "All For One" compares to classics like "Fools Gold" and "Waterfall". It's not even in the same league as "Tears". It's still a fucking great song though! I wouldn't say it's a "great song", it's pretty much a jam with Ian singing "all for one, one for all" over the top. It's a nice little tune, nothing more, nothing less. It isn't shit like some people are claiming it is.
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Post by andymorris on May 13, 2016 7:57:57 GMT -5
Did Noel react ?
He's always the first to be in the headlines about those stuff, and he's been very quiet
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Post by sortitout1471 on May 13, 2016 8:38:26 GMT -5
Noel is hardly going to say it's shit.
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Post by andymorris on May 13, 2016 8:44:02 GMT -5
Noel is hardly going to say it's shit. Yeah, so... quiet. That was my point.
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Post by mystoryisgory on May 13, 2016 8:50:28 GMT -5
Ten to one Brown and Squire released this song to troll everyone clamoring for a new Roses album. Watch them disappear for another 20 years.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 13, 2016 9:07:25 GMT -5
If there isn't a new album to follow I'll be very disappointed in them. They will announce a new album in 2021.
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Post by glider on May 13, 2016 9:38:39 GMT -5
I've slept on my thoughts on the tune, and before I went to bed last night, had one last listen. I can assure you I'll never want to hear this song again. Alot of you need to understand (and theyknowwhatimean knows this), is I've held the Roses, both in their debut, madchester, and second coming periods, to much high regard. TSR and SC are two incredible albums in my opinion. Even with the Second Coming era, which was filled with Squire solos and hard blues rock influence, still maintained the classic grooves and excellent musicianship by each member. Begging You is still a very refreshing and non-dated track. So why have I come to realize why I don't like this song? It's simple: the Roses were always about style, groove, and their unique individual sounds combined made a whole that sonically blew many other artists out of the water. Reni's beats and drum fills had a distinctive sound to them, you could feel the groove, just as with Mani's basslines. Squire's guitar tone was in proper form and equated to this back section, and while Brown's vocals, rather than standing out as a frontman style sound, was so much a part of the instrumentation. All For One has absolutely none of these things. It sounds like a generic britpop band that sprung up during the mid to late 90s wanting to sound like Oasis. There's no groove or style, and nothing that gets you to go "Hell yeah that's the Roses! Holy sh*t that wicked bassline and drumming!" Instead, you get Squire phoning it in on a Seahorses-style random guitar solo (and keep in mind I loved the Seahorses material). Not much to discuss about the lyrics, but it's safe to say that Ian in his solo endeavors kicks the living hell out of this easily, and Ian has crafted some strong work from that career. When I'm at the point where I'm searching for something to enjoy out of a song, it's basically me telling myself it's not good. But what hurts the most is not only is it not a good track, it's a terrible track by the Roses standard, and they set a pretty high bar. At the very least, I expected some Second Coming style hard blues rock with a minor hip hop influence, similar to what Brown did with Love Spreads at Heaton Park. It would be different, but at least on point to an extent. And please, was that really Reni drumming? Where's the classic groove? Where is it? Seriously? Couldn't even hear Mani, that Epworth fellow really doesn't understand the Roses enough to realize Mani isn't supposed to be mixed in with the drums, he has a distinct role in the sound. No Ian-Reni harmonies either! Wtf? Don't even start on the meaningless chorus repetition, not much here folks. Replace Ian's vocals with Chris Helme and this could be written off as a Seahorses b-side. Worst case scenario seems even more likely after finding out the physical vinyl doesn't ship out till July - they've half-assed and farted this one out quickly due to public pressure of the upcoming gigs, and there really isn't any album coming. If this is the last thing they've recorded, then they've truly f'd up the legacy. The last single really should've been Begging You if this is the case. I knew that worry steeming from myself when finding out it was going to be played on Radio 1 wasn't just knee-jerk nervousness. This is a piss-poor anthem from guys who I believe have released one of the best albums of all time.
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Post by sortitout1471 on May 13, 2016 9:43:10 GMT -5
It really is awful.
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Post by glider on May 13, 2016 9:48:37 GMT -5
To quote Thom Yorke, this as being the comeback single of The Stone f*cking Roses is equivalent to "the last desperate fart of a dying corpse."
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Post by sortitout1471 on May 13, 2016 9:51:06 GMT -5
On the plus side :-
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Post by batfink30 on May 13, 2016 9:53:00 GMT -5
What's the deal with the lemon? Perhaps it's because the song is a lemon?! Are they trolling us?
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Post by glider on May 13, 2016 9:56:05 GMT -5
I want to think this was a pisstake to appease to the stupid audience of today's bland pop MOR crowd. But that's just trying to hide my disbelief this exists.
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Post by andymorris on May 13, 2016 10:02:16 GMT -5
Any band that wait 22 years to release a new record, that's usually not a very good sign.
Remember Gun n Roses.
I wouldn't say i was expecting it to be bad, I just didn't have my hopes up. They're clearly jumping on the nostalgia reformation bandwagon. Good for them, if they can make some money out of it.
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Post by Manualex on May 13, 2016 10:21:41 GMT -5
What's the deal with the lemon? Perhaps it's because the song is a lemon?! Are they trolling us? She wore lemon...
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 13, 2016 10:24:28 GMT -5
The guitar parts are pretty good. The lyrics are kinda half cooked, kinda feels like place holders.
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Post by glider on May 13, 2016 10:29:20 GMT -5
The guitar parts are pretty good. The lyrics are kinda half cooked, kinda feels like place holders. That's Squire for you. Even when he's phoning it in, he can squeeze out a proper solo and licks. But it felt like I was listening to something from 1996-1997.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 10:37:35 GMT -5
unfortunately it just gets more average the more I listen to it, I quite enjoyed it on the first few listens but Im not getting much from it anymore, I can listen to say I wanna be adored over and over but this just feels like the I can see a liar equivalent to morning glory for me.
its got some interesting elements but its just...safe I guess.
I think the main issue for me is theres no progression, it just sounds like the old stuff which is both good and bad, ians solo stuff was always good for something abit different, youd just think after 20 years they would comeback with something abit more modern and refreshing.
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Post by Headmaster on May 13, 2016 10:47:58 GMT -5
The problem with this song is that it sounds like a generic britpop tune, it doens't sound like a proper Stone Roses tune, it doens't have those signature Roses sound like the guitar grooves, danceable basslines, outstanding drumming and even Squire's Zeppelin guitar fixation on Second Coming, it's just too generic, ordinary, it's like if Oasis had release A Bell Will Ring as a lead off single.
I wasn't expecting something like Fool's Gold or Elephant Stone, it would have been impossible for them, but I was expecting something with their signature sound, something much better than this, maybe something like Beggin You, from their second album, which sounded very modern, that tune kind of predicted that Kesabian Roses-meets-eletronica fusion.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 13, 2016 10:50:06 GMT -5
It's like Beady Eye doing The Stone Roses on whiskey.
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Post by Jack on May 13, 2016 11:31:09 GMT -5
Let's be honest, this new single/album and tour is just funding the Roses' retirement fund. I haven't got a problem with that, and good luck to them, but I doubt they're that bothered about creating another masterpiece. Having said that, the new single isn't good enough IMO.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 11:50:09 GMT -5
Just wondering, what kind of reception did Love Spreads recieve back in '94?
All For One has clearly divided the fan base, it seems a lot of people hate it which I understand but don't agree with.
I still think they're capable of even better.
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Post by Rolo on May 13, 2016 12:10:56 GMT -5
Just wondering, what kind of reception did Love Spreads recieve back in '94? All For One has clearly divided the fan base, it seems a lot of people hate it which I understand but don't agree with. I still think they're capable of even better.I should bloody well hope so.
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Post by glider on May 13, 2016 12:27:44 GMT -5
Just wondering, what kind of reception did Love Spreads recieve back in '94? All For One has clearly divided the fan base, it seems a lot of people hate it which I understand but don't agree with. I still think they're capable of even better. It caught alot of people off guard in the sense it was a poor choice of a radio single. Kind of left old fans dismayed, but eventually people came around to it. It was a matter of "this is what we want to sound like and if you don't like it then f off" vibe rather than the half-assed effort and get faux-nolstagic praise All for One is. I really want to know what you like about to be honest.
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