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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2015 16:52:09 GMT -5
Too much hate for DBTT that's been going around in recent weeks. I agree, it hasn't aged well but it's still a solid album and a pivotal moment in Oasis MK II. It completely revolutionized the band and critics and punters alike started noticing Oasis as a serious band again. DBTT was also a very stable time for the band, which led to their best tour, completed without anyone walking out or cancelling gigs. The brothers were on fantastic terms, too. Enough of this revisionist history! A very consistent album.
Anyway, I just started listening to the album in full right now.
Oh and A Bell Will Ring is still fucking atrocious.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 20, 2015 16:54:42 GMT -5
Hasn't aged for me at all, it was retro when I bought it. I liked it then and still like it now.
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Post by LightsOffInside on Oct 20, 2015 17:09:21 GMT -5
There is way too much hate for this album. It's one of the best flowing records Oasis ever did, full of great raw sounding guitars and vocals and great tunes. I genuinely listen to every song on the album. I love the production throughout and I think everything about it is great, definitely the best album post-97 for me, and has some songs that beat some BHN tunes aswell. If you watch LDSMD doc you can see that the band were so solid back then, good vibes good gigs and good songs, probably why it was so successful aswell.
It's a shame, because DOYS had so much potential after this album but fell flat on its arse for me due to the poor song quality in the second half of the album, leaving at the bottom of the Oasis album pile just above Heathen Chemistry.
I'm very sentimental about this album as it came out in the last great music year - 2005, a year where I discovered a lot of my favourite bands and where we had some incredible albums such as Gorillaz - Demon Days and White Stripes - Get Me Behind Satan. From there music took a steady decline to its wretched state today...
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Post by carlober on Oct 20, 2015 17:14:22 GMT -5
It was a very good period for the band, that's for sure. But if we're speaking about the album, it has aged in a very bad way.
For a start, the "retro" production on most tracks is stale and plain boring. Personally, I really like TIOBI, POTQ (even if it's a bit of a rip-off), TUTS and Lyla... and I do enjoy Guess God Thinks I'm Abel. The rest is forgettable (average at best, or worse...). Love Like a Bomb? The Meaning of Soul? Keep the Dream Alive? These tracks aren't better than the worst songs on HC. Frankly, in my opinion, DBTT is a better album than HC but not by miles...
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Post by Binary Sunset on Oct 20, 2015 17:14:49 GMT -5
Don't really like it. I mean I guess I wasn't a fan of the band at the time, but the tracks just don't do it for me. I like LTBL, TUTS, and Lyla. All the other tracks are meh, and I really hate Mucky Fingers! Sure it doesn't have the pure awful low of Heathen Chemistry, but I think it has the lowest high of any Oasis album.
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Post by joladella on Oct 20, 2015 17:21:39 GMT -5
It was the one album that, after thinking that maybe, just maybe I had overlooked something about Oasis, finally did turn me into a fan by persuading me that I had overlooked a lot. I loved it at first listening, each and every song and I'm pretty sure I always will. These days, it does have to fight for the no. 1 place in my heart with BHN, but I guess it can live with that.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 20, 2015 17:29:25 GMT -5
Too much hate for DBTT that's been going around in recent weeks. I agree, it hasn't aged well but it's still a solid album and a pivotal moment in Oasis MK II. It completely revolutionized the band and critics and punters alike started noticing Oasis as a serious band again. DBTT was also a very stable time for the band, which led to their best tour, completed without anyone walking out or cancelling gigs. The brothers were on fantastic terms, too. Enough of this revisionist history! A very consistent album. Anyway, I just started listening to the album in full right now. Oh and A Bell Will Ring is still fucking atrocious. Great songs despite Dave Sardy's flat line production (yes I have made my views on him pretty clear as a producer). Despite the production I like it as a record and it for whatever reason sparked a renaissance for the band, with 7 million sales and a trouble free world tour- the second part probably helping the first part tbh And agreed- A Bell Will Ring sounds like a Hurricane #1 demo that Liam put a vocal on before attempting to deck Alex Lowe
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 20, 2015 18:14:46 GMT -5
It was a very good period for the band, that's for sure. But if we're speaking about the album, it has aged in a very bad way. For a start, the "retro" production on most tracks is stale and plain boring. Personally, I really like TIOBI, POTQ (even if it's a bit of a rip-off), TUTS and Lyla... and I do enjoy Guess God Thinks I'm Abel. The rest is forgettable (average at best, or worse...). Love Like a Bomb? The Meaning of Soul? Keep the Dream Alive? These tracks aren't better than the worst songs on HC. Frankly, in my opinion, DBTT is a better album than HC but not by miles... Feel exactly the same about it, even the songs, but I like Let There Be Love too. Also agree on the HC bit. Productionwork on both of them wasn't great, singles on both albums were good, then there are about 2 or 3 solid songs and the rest is boring or awful (IN MY OPINION!!!). They're both at the very bottom of my Oasis album ranking. I think it's a bit overrated (IN MY OPINION!!!)
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Post by Jessica on Oct 20, 2015 18:19:09 GMT -5
I became a fan during this album cycle, The Importance of Being Idle being my second Oasis song, so I rate it highly of course. But I still think DM, WTSMG, and BHN are all better than it.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 20, 2015 18:21:10 GMT -5
After the mess that was Heathen Chemiatry, DBTT was a breath of fresh air.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 20, 2015 19:50:07 GMT -5
I love this album really for 4 songs. Turn Up the Sun, Mucky Fingers, Lyla, and TIOBI are all amazing songs that easily match the quality of those released in the 90's. Unfortunately, those are really the only good songs on the album. All the other LAG songs are fucking awful, Part of the Queue is nice, but there's nothing to it, and I can't even remember what LTBL sounds like. And then the vast majority of the b-sides were shit, when b-sides had been the best thing about Oasis for so many years. Considering the vast wealth of material written/recorded during this era, I can't help but think that DBTT could have been much better. But what we did get is indeed nice and was the beginning of another peak in Noel's songwriting skills.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2015 20:10:00 GMT -5
After the mess that was Heathen Chemiatry, DBTT was a breath of fresh air. This. It's uncanny how often we agree.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2015 20:12:06 GMT -5
I do think Noel made the wrong decision with LTBL. He purposefully left it stripped down. Instead, it was crying for a sweeping, emotional, well produced album swan-song. Also, the extended outro - what the fuck is that about?
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 20, 2015 21:00:19 GMT -5
I like DBTT, only dislike 4 tracks: TMOS (should have been developed better), LLAB (Liam atrocious vocals ruined it), KTDA (too noisy for a more relaxed album) and ABWR (definition of generic), but the rest is pretty amazing.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2015 21:09:15 GMT -5
I like DBTT, only dislike 4 tracks: TMOS (should have been developed better), LLAB (Liam atrocious vocals ruined it), KTDA (too noisy for a more relaxed album) and ABWR (definition of generic), but the rest is pretty amazing. They missed a real trick with KTDA -- should have been the album's Stand By Me, it's so close. But instead it's forever a forgotten Oasis song that is indeed too loud, too long, and very messily produced. And for what it's worth, I actually like LLAB, especially when the piano kicks in.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 20, 2015 21:15:35 GMT -5
After the mess that was Heathen Chemiatry, DBTT was a breath of fresh air. This. It's uncanny how often we agree. I didn't say DBTT was amazing I said compare to HC it was a huge improvement.
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Post by World71R on Oct 20, 2015 21:15:58 GMT -5
I do think Noel made the wrong decision with LTBL. He purposefully left it stripped down. Instead, it was crying for a sweeping, emotional, well produced album swan-song. Also, the extended outro - what the fuck is that about? It's a nice, and very beautiful song in its own right, which I give credit to it for, but the extended outro is a bit too Beatlesque. Had the song ended with Liam's vocals, I think it would've been a little better. Maybe not "give it another" star better, but just a nice little touch that would've made the song the way it should've been.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2015 21:17:31 GMT -5
This. It's uncanny how often we agree. I didn't say DBTT was amazing I said compare to HC it was a huge improvement. Again, we agree.....
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2015 21:19:36 GMT -5
I do think Noel made the wrong decision with LTBL. He purposefully left it stripped down. Instead, it was crying for a sweeping, emotional, well produced album swan-song. Also, the extended outro - what the fuck is that about? It's a nice, and very beautiful song in its own right, which I give credit to it for, but the extended outro is a bit too Beatlesque. Had the song ended with Liam's vocals, I think it would've been a little better. Maybe not "give it another" star better, but just a nice little touch that would've made the song the way it should've been. It's also crying for a second Noel verse. LTBL angers me so much as there's so much potential but it was like Noel couldn't be arsed, that it was "good enough." Bleh.
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 20, 2015 21:20:43 GMT -5
I like DBTT, only dislike 4 tracks: TMOS (should have been developed better), LLAB (Liam atrocious vocals ruined it), KTDA (too noisy for a more relaxed album) and ABWR (definition of generic), but the rest is pretty amazing. They missed a real trick with KTDA -- should have been the album's Stand By Me, it's so close. But instead it's forever a forgotten Oasis song that is indeed too loud, too long, and very messily produced. And for what it's worth, I actually like LLAB, especially when the piano kicks in. Agreed exactly with what you said about KTDA, it's a mess of a song. About LLAB, yeah I love the piano solo too, but Liam ruined it overall for me, his vocals should have been lovely as the demo version.
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Post by World71R on Oct 20, 2015 21:21:00 GMT -5
I like DBTT, only dislike 4 tracks: TMOS (should have been developed better), LLAB (Liam atrocious vocals ruined it), KTDA (too noisy for a more relaxed album) and ABWR (definition of generic), but the rest is pretty amazing. TMOS is a nice acoustic punk track, but Eyeball Tickler was a full-on electric punk track that was shades of Headshrinker, which is pretty awesome, and should've been on the album. LLAB is a nice song, good melody, and when the piano kicks in, it's just like a nice summer breeze, but I do agree with you about the vocals. The ones from the demo would've done well on the album version, instead of the ones we got on the album version. KTDA has some cool guitar work, and adds to the summer-y vibe of the album. The only problem is that it had those "Na na na"s at the end of it. Otherwise, it's quite a solid tune, and one that is quite underrated imo. ABWR has a great driving riff, but does not feel finished, or structured right, at all. Pass Me Down the Wine would've done well in its spot, but after LLAB, and not where it would've been, had it replaced ABWR.
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Post by World71R on Oct 20, 2015 21:22:40 GMT -5
It's a nice, and very beautiful song in its own right, which I give credit to it for, but the extended outro is a bit too Beatlesque. Had the song ended with Liam's vocals, I think it would've been a little better. Maybe not "give it another" star better, but just a nice little touch that would've made the song the way it should've been. It's also crying for a second Noel verse. LTBL angers me so much as there's so much potential but it was like Noel couldn't be arsed, that it was "good enough." Bleh. Just as I was reading this, I had a good idea.. What if Noel would've sang that verse that Liam sang after the interlude, and then they did a duet on the chorus? That would've been a killer way to end off the album, especially if they would've cut out that extended outro.
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 20, 2015 21:28:06 GMT -5
DBTT is one of my favourite Oasis albums. I say that about most Oasis albums but its true that it is very consistent and shows a more mature Oasis MKII at their peak, including great democratic songwritign contributions. And it's aged just fine.
The only qualm I have with it is that Liam's vox sound a bit rough on LLAB and KTDA. And the album cover art wasn't that special either.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2015 21:28:51 GMT -5
While we're on topic, what did Noel scrap for this album circa 2004? Is that the Death In Vegas stuff? I really should know this, but I evidently don't. And is there any chance we'll ever here what DBTT was going to be?
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Post by World71R on Oct 20, 2015 21:51:20 GMT -5
DBTT is one of my favourite Oasis albums. I say that about most Oasis albums but its true that it is very consistent and shows a more mature Oasis MKII at their peak, including great democratic songwritign contributions. And it's aged just fine. The only qualm I have with it is that Liam's vox sound a bit rough on LLAB and KTDA. And the album cover art wasn't that special either. My sentiments exactly on the album. It's a well-flowing album filled with some really great tracks that highlight an upswing in the quality of Noel's songwriting. Plus, Andy brings some of his best tunes, while Liam supplies some nice ones, and Gem, well fuck, his best tune got regulated to a B-side Nevertheless, I like it, and I have a sentimental attachment to it, considering I listened to it for the first time on a late summer night when it was just perfect outside and perfect in the room that I was listening to the album in. Not to mention, the vibes and the flow really highlight the band's chemistry at the time. Every song is bursting with some sort of happiness or strength, and you can't help but feel good when you listen to the album.
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