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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 20, 2015 21:52:41 GMT -5
Keep The Dream Alive is one of the worst Oasis songs around.
Shame on you Andy Bell. Writing Oasis cover band songs while in Oasis.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 20, 2015 21:55:30 GMT -5
My version of Don't Believe The Truth is much much better.
In an alternate reality...............
Turn Up The Sun Mucky Fingers Love Like A Bomb Lyla The Importance of Being Idle Eyeball Tickler Guess God Thinks I'm Abel Stop The Clocks (Liam) A Bell Will Ring I Wanna Live In A Dream In My Record Machine (Liam) Boy With The Blues
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Oct 21, 2015 1:26:15 GMT -5
The album that got me into Oasis and I have heard Definitely Maybe before, bit this one was and is still more my cup of tea. Love this record and really every song on it. The firyt two favorite songsbwere "Lyla" and "a bell will ring".
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 21, 2015 2:25:40 GMT -5
Keep The Dream Alive is one of the worst Oasis songs around. Shame on you Andy Bell. Writing Oasis cover band songs while in Oasis. DBTT was the first album they released after I got into Oasis. It was a great era for the band indeed. Both Noel and Liam looked to enjoy to play live, unlikely the many of DOYS tour. I love this album. Some of us including myself on here started a "not download leak, but waiting for the release club" back in time. Although this album still means a lot to me, I can't stand Let There Be Love.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 2:54:58 GMT -5
Meh.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 21, 2015 3:34:56 GMT -5
I really don't understand why people think it hasn't aged well it was aged on release. I think Sardy gets some unfair stick to do with this record as it had been largely recorded and produced by thew time he go near it hadn't it?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 21, 2015 3:38:22 GMT -5
I really don't understand why people think it hasn't aged well it was aged on release. I think Sardy gets some unfair stick to do with this record as it had been largely recorded and produced by thew time he go near it hadn't it? The only songs that weren't produced by Sardy are Lyla and The Importance Of Being Idle, I believe.
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Post by mahsteve on Oct 21, 2015 3:57:12 GMT -5
I really don't understand why people think it hasn't aged well it was aged on release. I think Sardy gets some unfair stick to do with this record as it had been largely recorded and produced by thew time he go near it hadn't it? The only songs that weren't produced by Sardy are Lyla and The Importance Of Being Idle, I believe. And possibly mucky fingers
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 21, 2015 3:57:21 GMT -5
I really don't understand why people think it hasn't aged well it was aged on release. I think Sardy gets some unfair stick to do with this record as it had been largely recorded and produced by thew time he go near it hadn't it? The only songs that weren't produced by Sardy are Lyla and The Importance Of Being Idle, I believe. I know as far as credits goes that's true but the band had done a lot of recording all over the place before that. I just wonder how much he really influenced the sound of the record overall.
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Post by MacaRonic on Oct 21, 2015 3:58:14 GMT -5
I do think Noel made the wrong decision with LTBL. He purposefully left it stripped down. Instead, it was crying for a sweeping, emotional, well produced album swan-song. Also, the extended outro - what the fuck is that about? I totally disagree, I think it's perfect as is.
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Post by rekrelf on Oct 21, 2015 4:00:07 GMT -5
I love TUTS, TIOBI and Lyla. A bell will ring is also good. That's it. For me the second worst Oasis record (DOYS is for me the last).
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 21, 2015 4:34:09 GMT -5
The only songs that weren't produced by Sardy are Lyla and The Importance Of Being Idle, I believe. I know as far as credits goes that's true but the band had done a lot of recording all over the place before that. I just wonder how much he really influenced the sound of the record overall. Not sure, but I think it sounds a bit muffled in comparison to the songs I just mentioned. Just like on HFB1, you can tell TDOYAM and something like If I Had A Gun were produced by different people.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 21, 2015 7:35:23 GMT -5
I really don't understand why people think it hasn't aged well it was aged on release. I think Sardy gets some unfair stick to do with this record as it had been largely recorded and produced by thew time he go near it hadn't it? I also feel Sardy gets unfair praise, like you said the album was recorded 2-3 times before Dave got involved and the two big singles had nothing to do with him.
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Post by Aman on Oct 21, 2015 8:48:31 GMT -5
I only really like Lyla, Turn Up The Sun and Part Of The Queue. (Really adore the latter two)
TIOBI really annoys me.
As for the rest of the songs, the less said the better.
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Post by Cast on Oct 21, 2015 10:09:59 GMT -5
I became a fan slightly before DBTT. It's a very good album in my opinion, its the one that reestablished Oasis as a really good band. Oasis II finally found consistency on this record. It has the best song Andy ever wrote while in Oasis in Turn Up the Sun. The Importance of Being Idle is that last truly classic Oasis song that Noel wrote. It's a legitimately genius song that stands up there with his classics as far as I'm concerned. This period also marks the beginning of the songwriting streak that he is still on a decade later. Part of a Queue remains one of his most underrated tracks in the band's catalog. Mucky Fingers has a great velvet underground mixed with dylan vibe. Lyla is a decent first single, and as is closer Let There Be Love. Noel hasn't really released a straight up shit a-side, in my opinion since HC that's really fuckin impressive to be honest.
DBTT sadly suffers from fate that they didn't really put the best tracks on it. Eyeball Tickler in particular (hehe) he my favorite Gem song and it deserved to be on here replacing The Meaning of Soul or A Bell with Ring. Liam's maturation as a songwriter is interesting to watch. Guess God Thinks I'm able is probably my favorite Liam song, Love like a Bomb despite its poor mastering and recording its a splendid tune, but The Meaning of Soul is mediocre.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 21, 2015 10:12:33 GMT -5
I became a fan slightly before DBTT. It's a very good album in my opinion, its the one that reestablished Oasis as a really good band. Oasis II finally found consistency on this record. It has the best song Andy ever wrote while in Oasis in Turn Up the Sun. The Importance of Being Idle is that last truly classic Oasis song that Noel wrote. It's a legitimately genius song that stands up there with his classics as far as I'm concerned. This period also marks the beginning of the songwriting streak that he is still on a decade later. Part of a Queue remains one of his most underrated tracks in the band's catalog. Mucky Fingers has a great velvet underground mixed with dylan vibe. Lyla is a decent first single, and as is closer Let There Be Love. Noel hasn't really released a straight up shit a-side, in my opinion since HC that's really fuckin impressive to be honest. DBTT sadly suffers from fate that they didn't really put the best tracks on it. Eyeball Tickler in particular (hehe) he my favorite Gem song and it deserved to be on here replacing The Meaning of Soul or A Bell with Ring. Liam's maturation as a songwriter is interesting to watch. Guess God Thinks I'm able is probably my favorite Liam song, Love like a Bomb despite its poor mastering and recording its a splendid tune, but The Meaning of Soul is mediocre. DBTT is miles better than HC but like you said it is still kinda uneven with song writing and selection.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 21, 2015 10:15:57 GMT -5
In my eyes, The Meaning Of Soul is one of the worst songs they've ever recorded. Man, do I hate that one!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 21, 2015 11:16:32 GMT -5
In my eyes, The Meaning Of Soul is one of the worst songs they've ever recorded. Man, do I hate that one! Yeah but........it's like Elvis doing the Sex Pistols on Stella!
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 21, 2015 11:27:43 GMT -5
In my eyes, The Meaning Of Soul is one of the worst songs they've ever recorded. Man, do I hate that one! Yeah but........it's like Elvis doing the Sex Pistols on Stella! No, it's like Liam singing a shit song.
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Post by carryusall on Oct 21, 2015 11:39:22 GMT -5
Great record. Not quite the same calibre as DM and MG, but still a classic record IMO, and it'd be nice just once to see it in such a list. Obviously that will never happen, but I really think it's a classic, and one that all fans of rock and roll music should listen to.
The main dilemma people seem to have with this record is that while on one hand it's Oasis' most consistent latter-day release, on the other hand it has less classic songs than other records. Even Heathen Chemistry. I wouldn't really argue with either of those statements. I think that Lyla, The Importance of Being Idle and Let There Be Love are up there with anything else Oasis have done, and moreover have an instantly-classic and familiar quality about them, which has always characterised Noel's best songwriting. Even on first listen they just sound right, as if they were filling a hole that would be there if they remained unwritten. I understand that Let There Be Love isn't too highly regarded on here, but I think it's a classic, and executed to perfection. I don't understand calls for it to be drowned in epic SCYHO style production, that would overwhelm the song. The treatment it received was perfect, and the outro makes perfect sense to me, giving the song a sense of lightness and playfulness which it needs to land in the right way. DBTT is not an overly-serious or preachy album. It's not that deep, there are no huge moments on it. If LTBL had masterplan-style production it wouldn't fit at all. I do slightly wish Noel had kept the original lyrics, but the ones he rewrote are good and fit the album better. So I completely stand by those three top-tier tunes, and feel they all mine a rich vein of classic British songwriting, and while hardly ground-breaking, do explore, or further explore, new directions for the band.
And I rate everything else. Andy's on stellar form, the best of his time in Oasis. Gem's song is fine. I only ever listen to it when I play the whole album through, but it's much better than Hung in a Bad Place. If there's a weak link it's Liam, whose songwriting here is good on all counts, interesting even, but he fails to deliver a classic like he did on the album before and after. If I had another qualm it's Noël singing too many of his own songs, but he gives the best vocal performances of his career.
So yeah. I like it
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 21, 2015 11:44:53 GMT -5
The best version of DBTT is the one we never heard.
#DeathInVegas #DeathByScaredNoel
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 21, 2015 11:58:36 GMT -5
I really don't understand why people think it hasn't aged well it was aged on release. I think Sardy gets some unfair stick to do with this record as it had been largely recorded and produced by thew time he go near it hadn't it? I also feel Sardy gets unfair praise, like you said the album was recorded 2-3 times before Dave got involved and the two big singles had nothing to do with him. I don't think he does deserve praise because I think he probably didn't change the songs that much. I mean a lot of them sound like they could have been recorded in different places. I like that about the album but as the producer I don't think he shaped the sound or feel of the record, more just finished off recordings that were already there. I think Sardy has been made a bit of scapegoat tbh. Dig Out Your Soul sounds good to my ears, NGHFB has some obvious problems like the drumming for example but I don't know how much you can add to a Noel Gallagher solo record with him having the final say. Noel signed off on it so it must have been how he wanted it.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 21, 2015 12:01:42 GMT -5
In my eyes, The Meaning Of Soul is one of the worst songs they've ever recorded. Man, do I hate that one! Love that song. Stripped back acoustic rant, doesn't go on to long and the cereal box drumming is great. Provides good balance on the record to.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 21, 2015 12:08:03 GMT -5
In my eyes, The Meaning Of Soul is one of the worst songs they've ever recorded. Man, do I hate that one! Love that song. Stripped back acoustic rant, doesn't go on to long and the cereal box drumming is great. Provides good balance on the record to. Each to their own, I guess. I do agree on the Dave Sardy bit though. Dig Out Your Soul sounds good to me, but it sounds different from DBTT and HFB1. I don't know why or how. I like the way DOYS was produced, but DBTT and HFB1 sound old to me, and not in the way the Beatles sound old.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 21, 2015 12:34:02 GMT -5
Love that song. Stripped back acoustic rant, doesn't go on to long and the cereal box drumming is great. Provides good balance on the record to. Each to their own, I guess. I do agree on the Dave Sardy bit though. Dig Out Your Soul sounds good to me, but it sounds different from DBTT and HFB1. I don't know why or how. I like the way DOYS was produced, but DBTT and HFB1 sound old to me, and not in the way the Beatles sound old. I think the answer might be quite straightforward. DBTT was a collection of songs put together and recorded by Oasis a few times before Sardy was asked to do anything. Dig Out Your Soul was an album where Noel was attempting something slightly different and with some of the songs written during the studio time Sardy probably had a bigger input into the sound of the songs or at least was present throughout. NGHFB judging by the demo's were largely together and Noel just wanted them produced, there is little fuss added to those songs which suggest to me they were mostly just finished off to Noe's satisfaction. I used to give Sardy a hard time tbh but I think these day's he's an easy target and really not responsible for a lot of the sounds on those records. I don't think he's a great producer but I don't think he deserves the shit thrown his way. Who's fault is it that an average vocal take on LLAB made the album? Liam should have probably had a second listen to it before he ok'd it. And things like that go for the tracklist of Dig Out Your Soul and the flat area's of NGHFB's.
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