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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jan 28, 2016 19:22:00 GMT -5
Maybe but fuck me sorry that is a very weird tracklisting! Let's all make believe after Gas Panic... Really!!?? Rustled up after around 5 minutes I would changed a few things around maybe. Maybe put LATD at 8? No way I'd change it all for this: 1. D' You Know What I Mean? 2. My Big Mouth 3. Magic Pie 4. Stand by Me 5. I Hope, I Think, I Know 6. The Girl in the Dirty Shirt 7. Fade In-Out 8. Don't Go Away 9. Be Here Now 10. All Around The World 11. It’s Gettin’ Better (Man!!) 12. All Around the World (reprise)
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 28, 2016 19:28:27 GMT -5
They should have gone away at the end of 1996. Tried to get to the end of the tour (Have no idea and have never seen the projected Morning Glory Tour Dates that were cancelled). They should have finished up and hibernated. They would and should have had two full years off after the tour and gone into the studio in early 1999 to start work on the final part of the Oasis trilogy 'Standing on the Shoulder of Giants'. In May 1999, The band release and promote the first single in 3 years 'Go Let It Out' hugely playing on late night shows in the US. The band would do a full North American tour of arenas including Madison Square Garden before the albums release like Canada in 2008. 'STANDING ON THE SHOULDER OF GIANTS' 1999 1-Fucking in the Bushes 2-Go Let It Out 3-Who Feels Love? 4-Angel Child (Full Studio Recording) 5-Fade In/Out (Less Rock/More Psychedelic/Bongos and shit) 6-Lock All The Doors (A bit of everything we've heard, with Liam on Vox) 7-Gas Panic! 8-Let's All Make Believe 9-D'you Know What I Mean? (Stripped, less layers, more like Gas Panic) 10-Stand By Me (Stripped, less layers, more acoustic vibes) Critical acclaim, the tour ends in August 2000 with the original 4 of Noel, Liam, Bonehead and Guigs blowing 300,000 people away at Hyde Park and the band split up. One of the great trilogies of Guitar Music and looked back on as one of the greatest bands of all time. Thats how it should have happened. That tracklist doesn't have nearly enough BHN on it ( ), but I like your idea of Angel Child on SOTSOG. The delicate nature of that song, with a slightly more psychedelic production (but not too much like on SMC), would've made an absolute highlight of that album.
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Post by mattyo on Jan 28, 2016 19:59:02 GMT -5
They should have gone away at the end of 1996. Tried to get to the end of the tour (Have no idea and have never seen the projected Morning Glory Tour Dates that were cancelled). They should have finished up and hibernated. They would and should have had two full years off after the tour and gone into the studio in early 1999 to start work on the final part of the Oasis trilogy 'Standing on the Shoulder of Giants'. In May 1999, The band release and promote the first single in 3 years 'Go Let It Out' hugely playing on late night shows in the US. The band would do a full North American tour of arenas including Madison Square Garden before the albums release like Canada in 2008. 'STANDING ON THE SHOULDER OF GIANTS' 1999 1-Fucking in the Bushes 2-Go Let It Out 3-Who Feels Love? 4-Angel Child (Full Studio Recording) 5-Fade In/Out (Less Rock/More Psychedelic/Bongos and shit) 6-Lock All The Doors (A bit of everything we've heard, with Liam on Vox) 7-Gas Panic! 8-Let's All Make Believe 9-D'you Know What I Mean? (Stripped, less layers, more like Gas Panic) 10-Stand By Me (Stripped, less layers, more acoustic vibes) Critical acclaim, the tour ends in August 2000 with the original 4 of Noel, Liam, Bonehead and Guigs blowing 300,000 people away at Hyde Park and the band split up. One of the great trilogies of Guitar Music and looked back on as one of the greatest bands of all time. Thats how it should have happened. That tracklist doesn't have nearly enough BHN on it ( ), but I like your idea of Angel Child on SOTSOG. The delicate nature of that song, with a slightly more psychedelic production (but not too much like on SMC), would've made an absolute highlight of that album. Could go to 11 tracks and put My Big Mouth in there. 1-Fucking in the Bushes 2-Go Let It Out 3-Who Feels Love? 4-Angel Child (Full Studio Recording) 5-Fade In/Out (Less Rock/More Psychedelic/Bongos and shit) 6-Lock All The Doors (A bit of everything we've heard, with Liam on Vox) 7-Stand By Me (Stripped, less layers, more acoustic vibes) 8-Let's All Make Believe 9-D'you Know What I Mean? (Stripped, less layers, more like Gas Panic) 10-My Big Mouth (Less layers again but still a stomper though) 11-Gas Panic! I think that is better.
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Post by World71R on Jan 28, 2016 20:06:20 GMT -5
They should have gone away at the end of 1996. Tried to get to the end of the tour (Have no idea and have never seen the projected Morning Glory Tour Dates that were cancelled). They should have finished up and hibernated. They would and should have had two full years off after the tour and gone into the studio in early 1999 to start work on the final part of the Oasis trilogy 'Standing on the Shoulder of Giants'. In May 1999, The band release and promote the first single in 3 years 'Go Let It Out' hugely playing on late night shows in the US. The band would do a full North American tour of arenas including Madison Square Garden before the albums release like Canada in 2008. 'STANDING ON THE SHOULDER OF GIANTS' 1999 1-Fucking in the Bushes 2-Go Let It Out 3-Who Feels Love? 4-Angel Child (Full Studio Recording) 5-Fade In/Out (Less Rock/More Psychedelic/Bongos and shit) 6-Lock All The Doors (A bit of everything we've heard, with Liam on Vox) 7-Gas Panic! 8-Let's All Make Believe 9-D'you Know What I Mean? (Stripped, less layers, more like Gas Panic) 10-Stand By Me (Stripped, less layers, more acoustic vibes) Critical acclaim, the tour ends in August 2000 with the original 4 of Noel, Liam, Bonehead and Guigs blowing 300,000 people away at Hyde Park and the band split up. One of the great trilogies of Guitar Music and looked back on as one of the greatest bands of all time. Thats how it should have happened. I like the idea, but you have to take into consideration that songs like LAMB and GP! were written with inspiration from the after effects of the BHN era. Although, I do like AC being added in, and if I could add one more thing to this, I'd put in AATW or RIO as a closer.
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Post by mattyo on Jan 28, 2016 20:10:50 GMT -5
They should have gone away at the end of 1996. Tried to get to the end of the tour (Have no idea and have never seen the projected Morning Glory Tour Dates that were cancelled). They should have finished up and hibernated. They would and should have had two full years off after the tour and gone into the studio in early 1999 to start work on the final part of the Oasis trilogy 'Standing on the Shoulder of Giants'. In May 1999, The band release and promote the first single in 3 years 'Go Let It Out' hugely playing on late night shows in the US. The band would do a full North American tour of arenas including Madison Square Garden before the albums release like Canada in 2008. 'STANDING ON THE SHOULDER OF GIANTS' 1999 1-Fucking in the Bushes 2-Go Let It Out 3-Who Feels Love? 4-Angel Child (Full Studio Recording) 5-Fade In/Out (Less Rock/More Psychedelic/Bongos and shit) 6-Lock All The Doors (A bit of everything we've heard, with Liam on Vox) 7-Gas Panic! 8-Let's All Make Believe 9-D'you Know What I Mean? (Stripped, less layers, more like Gas Panic) 10-Stand By Me (Stripped, less layers, more acoustic vibes) Critical acclaim, the tour ends in August 2000 with the original 4 of Noel, Liam, Bonehead and Guigs blowing 300,000 people away at Hyde Park and the band split up. One of the great trilogies of Guitar Music and looked back on as one of the greatest bands of all time. Thats how it should have happened. I like the idea, but you have to take into consideration that songs like LAMB and GP! were written with inspiration from the after effects of the BHN era. Although, I do like AC being added in, and if I could add one more thing to this, I'd put in AATW or RIO as a closer. I suppose by 1999 the BHN era would have happened, just without the songs been released. Maybe around late 1998 Noel would have realised that he needed to take it in another direction and GP! and LAMB would have been born. It's all ifs and buts though sadly.
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Post by World71R on Jan 28, 2016 21:08:01 GMT -5
The dark, sombre atmosphere is the best thing about SOTSOG and it should have continued for a few more albums at least. They should've put the best songs on their albums, regardless of their atmosphere. I'd rather have an album full of slow and sad, but very good songs, than an album with awful upbeat dadrock shite. And we got neither, from 2000 onwards... To tie these two comments into each other, I think that's why Dig Out Your Soul was so well received. It was a different spin on the Oasis sound, similar to SOTSOG, and in some ways, I think it was a spiritual successor to that album with the dark and very serious atmospheres that are present all across the album. However, that's not to say that there were some bright moments throughout the time between SOTSOG and DOYS, but it could've been better, had they continued with a more gospel and psychedelic approach that Noel talked about in interviews during the SOTSOG era.
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Post by Manualex on Jan 28, 2016 21:12:07 GMT -5
Oasis like The stone roses, happy mondays, the smiths, joy division and all of those manchester bands were doomed by the start, it wasn't a matter of fixing something. Eventually everything falls by it's own weight. Be it drugs, bad contracts, bad manners or bad relationships(or in the case of Oasis a melting pot of those 4), but that makes it all more sweeter, because it wasn't supposed to happen.
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Post by Aman on Jan 28, 2016 23:03:13 GMT -5
That album instead of Be Here Now?!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 28, 2016 23:23:59 GMT -5
Needed more cocaine*
*I do not encourage drug use.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Jan 28, 2016 23:31:05 GMT -5
They should have gone away at the end of 1996. Tried to get to the end of the tour (Have no idea and have never seen the projected Morning Glory Tour Dates that were cancelled). They should have finished up and hibernated. They would and should have had two full years off after the tour and gone into the studio in early 1999 to start work on the final part of the Oasis trilogy 'Standing on the Shoulder of Giants'. In May 1999, The band release and promote the first single in 3 years 'Go Let It Out' hugely playing on late night shows in the US. The band would do a full North American tour of arenas including Madison Square Garden before the albums release like Canada in 2008. 'STANDING ON THE SHOULDER OF GIANTS' 1999 1-Fucking in the Bushes 2-Go Let It Out 3-Who Feels Love? 4-Angel Child (Full Studio Recording) 5-Fade In/Out (Less Rock/More Psychedelic/Bongos and shit) 6-Lock All The Doors (A bit of everything we've heard, with Liam on Vox) 7-Gas Panic! 8-Let's All Make Believe 9-D'you Know What I Mean? (Stripped, less layers, more like Gas Panic) 10-Stand By Me (Stripped, less layers, more acoustic vibes) Critical acclaim, the tour ends in August 2000 with the original 4 of Noel, Liam, Bonehead and Guigs blowing 300,000 people away at Hyde Park and the band split up. One of the great trilogies of Guitar Music and looked back on as one of the greatest bands of all time. Thats how it should have happened. Not too keen on your choice of songs there. Going by what you have done (best of BHN and SOTSOG), I'd opt for - 1. Fucking in the Bushes 2. Go Let It Out 3. Going Nowhere 4. Revolution Song 5. Stay Young 6. Gas Panic 7. Don't Go Away 8. The Fame 9. Let's All Make Believe 10. I Got The Fever 11. All Around the World
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Post by beentherenow on Jan 29, 2016 4:12:53 GMT -5
Na Be Here Now is Be Here Now not even a nuclear bomb could have stopped that album happening the way it did. Oasis were on course for destruction on BHN is the magnificent soundtrack to it Alternative SOTSOG tracklisting alert! It very realistically could have looked like the below; Fuckin In The Bushes Go Let It Out Who Feels Love? Teotihuacan (excerpt 1) Let's All Make Believe Little By Little Gas Panic! It's A Crime (Liam/Noel Duel Vocals) Teotihuacan (excerpt 2) Full On (Liam) Where Did It All Go Wrong? Roll It Over The above would be one hell of a moody album but a fantastic one. The annoying thing is that isn't that much of a fantasy album. All those songs were around at that time they just chose not to use them or didn't finish them
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jan 29, 2016 5:21:21 GMT -5
Their biggest mistake? Not giving up touring and becoming a studio only band. Touring eventually tore them apart.
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Post by mattyo on Jan 29, 2016 7:27:24 GMT -5
They should have gone away at the end of 1996. Tried to get to the end of the tour (Have no idea and have never seen the projected Morning Glory Tour Dates that were cancelled). They should have finished up and hibernated. They would and should have had two full years off after the tour and gone into the studio in early 1999 to start work on the final part of the Oasis trilogy 'Standing on the Shoulder of Giants'. In May 1999, The band release and promote the first single in 3 years 'Go Let It Out' hugely playing on late night shows in the US. The band would do a full North American tour of arenas including Madison Square Garden before the albums release like Canada in 2008. 'STANDING ON THE SHOULDER OF GIANTS' 1999 1-Fucking in the Bushes 2-Go Let It Out 3-Who Feels Love? 4-Angel Child (Full Studio Recording) 5-Fade In/Out (Less Rock/More Psychedelic/Bongos and shit) 6-Setting Sun (Comin' On Strong) (A more bombastic 1999 studio version of the 92 Demo with Liam on Vox) 7-Gas Panic! 8-Let's All Make Believe 9-D'you Know What I Mean? (Stripped, less layers, more like Gas Panic) 10-Stand By Me (Stripped down, less layers, more acoustic vibes) Critical acclaim, the tour ends in August 2000 with the original 4 of Noel, Liam, Bonehead and Guigs blowing 300,000 people away at Hyde Park and the band split up. One of the great trilogies of Guitar Music and looked back on as one of the greatest bands of all time. Thats how it should have happened. Not too keen on your choice of songs there. Going by what you have done (best of BHN and SOTSOG), I'd opt for - 1. Fucking in the Bushes 2. Go Let It Out 3. Going Nowhere 4. Revolution Song 5. Stay Young 6. Gas Panic 7. Don't Go Away 8. The Fame 9. Let's All Make Believe 10. I Got The Fever 11. All Around the World That track listing is to much of a mish mash. If they wanted to return a few years later with a 90's style 'Revolver' record that was drastically different to the first two albums it would have had to have reduced the 'Be Here Now' wall of noise a lot. I like beentherenows idea of putting Teotihuacan in as excerpts and breaking the record up a bit. The 3rd record HAD to and SHOULD have been a Psychedelic masterpiece. After spending a bit more time on the track listing and seeing other peoples views I think something like this would have blown the fans away in 1999 and been a real special 'End' to the Oasis DM/MG/SOTSOG chapter. 'STANDING ON THE SHOULDER OF GIANTS' 1999 1-Fucking in the Bushes 2-Go Let It Out 3-Who Feels Love? 4-Teotihuacan (excerpt 1) 5-Fade In/Out (Less Rock/More Psychedelic/Bongos and shit) 6-Setting Sun (Comin' On Strong) (A more bombastic 1999 studio version of the 92 Demo with Liam on Vox) 7-D'you Know What I Mean? (Stripped, less layers, more like Gas Panic) 8-Let's All Make Believe 9-Gas Panic! 10-Teotihuacan (excerpt 2) 11-I've Got The Fever (Stripped right down with the LATD vibe) 12-Roll It Over I think that record flows well, has a real 'Moody' Psychedelic feel to it while having the obligatory 'Rockers' in Setting Sun and IGTF.
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Post by gemarcher1 on Jan 29, 2016 9:10:36 GMT -5
Write in vote: Be Here Now Not that it's bad, far from it, but it was overhyped, so the media was suddenly expecting the greatest album in 30 years. Had it been as perfect and universally acclaimed as DM/WTSMG, Oasis would suddenly be the biggest rock band in the World. Since it was not, Oasis' colossal momentum was stopped. I also feel that BHN could have been a better album, and had it been just a little bit better and less overblown Oasis would have been the new U2 in terms of popularity. Noel knows this and that's why he's so bitter about BHN. This.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 29, 2016 11:57:00 GMT -5
Becoming shells of themselves post 2000. I mainly am directing this at Noel. He shied away from what made Oasis great. Pub anthems and swagger.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Jan 29, 2016 12:08:38 GMT -5
Becoming shells of themselves post 2000. I mainly am directing this at Noel. He shied away from what made Oasis great. Pub anthems and swagger. This.
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Post by mattyo on Jan 29, 2016 20:05:16 GMT -5
Becoming shells of themselves post 2000. I mainly am directing this at Noel. He shied away from what made Oasis great. Pub anthems and swagger. The original spine of the band leaving in 1999 didn't help matters. I still think they were pushed. It all became a bit boring after Gem and Andy arrived. Oasis Mk2 was never going to hit the heights of Oasis Mk1 unless they went in another direction, which they didn't. Baring a few crackers like Falling Down and Gas Panic it was still Oasis by numbers. It's just that we had heard it all before.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Jan 30, 2016 0:48:09 GMT -5
So the general consensus looking through this thread, is that the majority here feel the biggest mistake was around 1999/2000 when Oasis MK1 ended, and Oasis MK2 began.
It stands to reason, when you look at the phenomenon created during the first 3 albums, and how much they sold, compared to what happened from SOTSOG through to DOYS.
Key mistakes - losing key members, Creation, Owen Morris, Brian Cannon, and Noel losing his drug addiction and becoming a shadow of his former self, no longer able to write the swaggering, blistering, loud, epic, uplifting, soaring, occasional orchestral, and always melodic tunes that he was able to write under the influence of heavy drugs and alcohol.
It was inevitable that this would happen. No band like Oasis could maintain what they achieved between 94 and 97. It was always going to burn out in the end. If Noel had carried on down the path he was going, he probably wouldn't still be alive today.
Noel's solo career is actually far better than Oasis MK2, in my opinion. Expectations are different.
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Post by glider on Jan 30, 2016 1:00:59 GMT -5
I have to agree with Lennon2217 - Oasis was basically a shell of its former self in the 2000s. None of the albums released (aside from SOTSOG) have distinctively remarkable tunes in my opinion. The LAG songwriting weakened the band's capability to craft an album's worth of great tunes, along with getting worse and worse production from producers, bizzare tracklist choices, and overall the band not having fun anymore. Oasis seemed more like a brand that Liam, Noel, Andy, Gem and Alan/Zak/Chris just seemed to fit onto themselves as a band. This is a perfect example of how disconnected their relationship had become: HC, DBTT and DOYS have some tracks on them that stand out, but for me are pale in comparison to the round up of tunes in the 90s. Noel was writing hit after hit after hit, in the timespan of 3 years (1993-1996), the band released their 2nd album only 18 months after their debut, and shot to fame really quickly. Be Here Now was rushed, and while it's a fun party rock record, it isn't as substantial in meaning and connection. Oasis had it all and they gave it all way (no 'Sad Song' pun intended).
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Jan 30, 2016 2:13:42 GMT -5
For all its faults, BHN is still part of the original Oasis MK1 set-up, including songs that Noel had written many years earlier, and is still the best album they ever did.
Had Princess Di not passed away, and the UK Britpop scene continued partying for another 6 months, BHN would probably be remembered in a similar light to DM and WTS.
Just take one look at all the reviews at the time, and BHN was getting 5 stars, 10/10. Everyone bought into it at the time, but then quickly dismissed its celebratory vibe once the mood of the nation changed overnight.
BHN then felt like the drunken, loud, inappropriate guest at a funeral wake.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 30, 2016 2:55:51 GMT -5
For all its faults, BHN is still part of the original Oasis MK1 set-up, including songs that Noel had written many years earlier, and is still the best album they ever did. Had Princess Di not passed away, and the UK Britpop scene continued partying for another 6 months, BHN would probably be remembered in a similar light to DM and WTS. Just take one look at all the reviews at the time, and BHN was getting 5 stars, 10/10. Everyone bought into it at the time, but then quickly dismissed its celebratory vibe once the mood of the nation changed overnight. BHN then felt like the drunken, loud, inappropriate guest at a funeral wake. Not sure about the best album part though it is a great one, and apart from that broadly agree with the sentiments. Diana I have ranted on about before but I still cannot comprehend what it was about her death that created such an outpouring of faux emotion that resonates with any known person's death or tragedy to this day in the UK. I suppose to add to the list of his, to be polite, questionable acts was Tony Blair making political hay from her death with his statement of her being "The People's Princess"- BBC News 1997 , which he did at a time when he was newly elected and seen as a hope for the future rather than what he is now remembered for by many. The reviews IMO were over the top in some cases purely because the British press were so terrified of getting it wrong after their rather critical and indifferent reviews of (What's The Story) Morning Glory? I think Bonehead had a point about what it was following on from and how it would otherwise be perceived in his 2012 NME Comments , and a good retrospective review (IMO) by Sputnik Music also sees it more objectively than the usual "It was shit!" comments, and a more honest yet still positive review from Rolling Stone in 1997 also makes similar points as well as their own interesting ideas in the final paragraph as to why Oasis really didn't make it as big in the USA. "BHN then felt like the drunken, loud, inappropriate guest at a funeral wake"- I would agree with that given the press in September/October 1997 over Diana, and also go further in saying ironically what knocked Oasis off their stride actually made their friends The Verve commercially speaking. Although they had had a strong comeback single with Bittersweet Symphony (and the subsequent Allen Klein litigation) the industry wasn't expecting another hit as big in the form of The Drugs Don't Work or a 3,270,000 UK seller ( Official Charts Company although it's in the form of a quiz) in Urban Hymns. This IMO can be attributed to the more introspective, soulful sound of that album combined with The Verve's image- essentially to the wider public Oasis without the brash, confrontational attitude and so perfect as an alternative for the times.
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Post by beentherenow on Jan 30, 2016 4:49:07 GMT -5
Oasis went from being the biggest and most important band in the world to sounding outdated and irrelevant within a month! It's was such a bizarre time.
Oasis as well as imploding, were put in an impossible situation with Be Here Now. If they'd done MG mk2 they'd have been criticised for standing still. If they'd fully experimented they'd have been criticised for alienating fans. Therefore Noel thought bigger and heavier was the way to go. Sticking with the classic Oasis formula but expanding on it. For which they were criticised for
Be Here Now has its flaws and I'm not saying it's perfect but there was literally nothing they could have put out in the summer of 97 which could have fully worked
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Jan 30, 2016 9:48:04 GMT -5
Oasis went from being the biggest and most important band in the world to sounding outdated and irrelevant within a month! It's was such a bizarre time. Oasis as well as imploding, were put in an impossible situation with Be Here Now. If they'd done MG mk2 they'd have been criticised for standing still. If they'd fully experimented they'd have been criticised for alienating fans. Therefore Noel thought bigger and heavier was the way to go. Sticking with the classic Oasis formula but expanding on it. For which they were criticised for Be Here Now has its flaws and I'm not saying it's perfect but there was literally nothing they could have put out in the summer of 97 which could have fully worked Exactly! Nothing could possibly have matched the expectations at that time, whatever Oasis released. Even some of the infamous B side gems like The Masterplan wouldn't have done much to change public opinion on Oasis at that time, had songs like this been put on BHN. And then throw in the fact that the mood of an entire nation changed overnight, and you can see why Oasis and the dizzy highs of Britpop was over. Yet I still stand by my opinion that BHN was a better album than both DM and WTS. Those first 3 albums progressed with each release, and after BHN there was nowhere to go but down. Oasis MKII ended up doing the opposite to Oasis MKI, in that each album got progressively worse. SOTSOG is the best of a bad bunch, ending with the horror that is DOYS. Nothing will ever beat BHN.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 30, 2016 10:10:11 GMT -5
Oasis went from being the biggest and most important band in the world to sounding outdated and irrelevant within a month! It's was such a bizarre time. Oasis as well as imploding, were put in an impossible situation with Be Here Now. If they'd done MG mk2 they'd have been criticised for standing still. If they'd fully experimented they'd have been criticised for alienating fans. Therefore Noel thought bigger and heavier was the way to go. Sticking with the classic Oasis formula but expanding on it. For which they were criticised for Be Here Now has its flaws and I'm not saying it's perfect but there was literally nothing they could have put out in the summer of 97 which could have fully worked Funnily enough that's pretty much what Rolling Stone's 1997 Review said they had done, essentially making the same kind of album three times from DM-WTSMG-BHN. They still gave it four stars and a decent write up though As for Noel I think a cocaine fueled ego backed by everyone professionally around him telling him he could do no wrong probably was another reason he wrote a lot of the album rather quickly in Mustique (there's a link to a reprint of his track by track for BHN for Q Magazine in 1997 HERE ) before recording the album. Also since they were going through Creation Records rather than Sony Music directly there was no-one giving any opinions with weight backed to them- Creation had an ethos of "The artist is always right no matter what" that carried on even after Sony brought a 49% share in the label, and besides which Oasis were Creation's only real revenue stream and if they upset the band then Oasis could just switch to a direct Sony Label, essentially ending Creation Records. I agree that whatever they released in 1997 would not have fully worked which is why I have always thought that taking a break from Knebworth to January before spending a sizable chunk of 1997 in the USA could have helped the band make up lost ground there, as well as in other territories. After this they could have taken a bit more time out, perhaps reconvening in 1998 to record a third album if they were continuing with the band. It could have worked as they wouldn't be the first major band to take time out after a heavy tour- Guns N' Roses took four years between Appetite for Destruction and the Illusions albums (not counting the already recorded G n' R Lies in 1988) and they still had a phenomenally successful sales and tour for the latter records.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Jan 30, 2016 10:26:09 GMT -5
Oasis went from being the biggest and most important band in the world to sounding outdated and irrelevant within a month! It's was such a bizarre time. Oasis as well as imploding, were put in an impossible situation with Be Here Now. If they'd done MG mk2 they'd have been criticised for standing still. If they'd fully experimented they'd have been criticised for alienating fans. Therefore Noel thought bigger and heavier was the way to go. Sticking with the classic Oasis formula but expanding on it. For which they were criticised for Be Here Now has its flaws and I'm not saying it's perfect but there was literally nothing they could have put out in the summer of 97 which could have fully worked Funnily enough that's pretty much what Rolling Stone's 1997 Review said they had done, essentially making the same kind of album three times from DM-WTSMG-BHN. They still gave it four stars and a decent write up though I never understood how people could say those first 3 albums are the same. They are actually very different when you hear them now. DM - punkier, more raw, slightly unpolished feel to the songs, and a fairly slow, menacing tempo throughout the album. Liam was still discovering his most suitable range of vocals, while the lyrics also strongly hint at a band that had not yet made it. WTS - polished feel, the most commercially friendly sounding of all Oasis records, almost feels like a greatest hits album, and the one that crosses easiest over to the mainstream public, with songs like Wonderwall and Don't Look Back in Anger. You don't need to be an Oasis fan to like WTS. Even my Mum or Gran could listen to the majority of songs on that album. BHN - the most controversial album of all Oasis records, and the one that most often divides opinion. Either its too long, overblown and too loud, due to excess coke binges - or its epic, colossal, huge, Oasis finest hour, madferit, the soundtrack to driving extremely fast in your car, and partying extremely hard with your mates. The lyrics slap you in the face with their unashamed swaggering statements of being the biggest band in the world....and at that magical moment in time, they truly were!
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