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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 16:57:38 GMT -5
I think their biggest mistake is Standing Of The Shoulder Of Giants' tracklist. With Let's All Make Believe, Full On (Liam version) it is way better.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 30, 2015 17:07:26 GMT -5
LAG songwriting!
Or at least they should've gone with LAG songs that were good.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 30, 2015 17:08:39 GMT -5
LAG made Oasis lag. You are fucking welcome.
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Post by World71R on Mar 30, 2015 17:33:52 GMT -5
#1 was a good idea for the band if they had planned on moving forward with their sound.
#2 cost Oasis the chance at being considered one of the rock greats to many, and cost the band a shot at major Worldwide success, but it gave us...
#3 which hurt the band's path towards anything sonically interesting because of how the track listing was not well received at all, but it was an interesting come down album that almost came through fully. Let's All Make Believe, One Way Road, Full On, and a shorter, stripped down Sunday Morning Call would've made that happen.
#4 gave us some awful stuff (TNOR, AGN, AQP, BM), but I think it also added another interesting element into the band's sound. I think there was probably a lot of pressure from Noel for them to write certain songs, and imo, I think that hurt their writing. Not to mention, they did have some good songs in the bank (Ex: TR, BWTB, Millionaire), but I don't think Noel wanted to be overshadowed by them, so therefore we got what we got.
#5 was bad, but it got Oasis back into the mainstream, and that was quite important, considering the BHN backlash & the almost non-existence during SOTSOG.
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Post by World71R on Mar 30, 2015 17:34:32 GMT -5
So, I'd say 'Cocaine'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 17:42:48 GMT -5
i think it was coming back so quick after wtsmg , they shoulda waited another year or two to recharge and get off each others nerves
that and not releasing dont go away as there first single , which would have gotten alot of play in states , especially with tragic death of diana soon after , that song was made for that place in time .
so if they were to come back so quick they could have made up for that with dont go away
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Mar 30, 2015 17:57:08 GMT -5
Write in vote: Be Here Now
Not that it's bad, far from it, but it was overhyped, so the media was suddenly expecting the greatest album in 30 years. Had it been as perfect and universally acclaimed as DM/WTSMG, Oasis would suddenly be the biggest rock band in the World. Since it was not, Oasis' colossal momentum was stopped.
I also feel that BHN could have been a better album, and had it been just a little bit better and less overblown Oasis would have been the new U2 in terms of popularity. Noel knows this and that's why he's so bitter about BHN.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 18:46:29 GMT -5
Dismissing Tony! Loved him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 18:47:42 GMT -5
Although Liam's songwriting would be a close second. Though I feel he finally peaked with his DOYS tracks. "I'm Outta Time" is amongst the best 00's Oasis songs!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 19:19:18 GMT -5
Write in vote: Be Here Now Cocaine = Be Here Now
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Post by oasisnz on Mar 30, 2015 19:52:48 GMT -5
SOTSOG. Shit album with only maybe 3 or 4 good songs at the most, definitely a low point in their careers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 20:07:30 GMT -5
kalas has absolutely nailed it.
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Post by mkoasis on Mar 30, 2015 20:13:58 GMT -5
Biggest mistake IMO is not listed there: not taking risks and playing it too safe (*not counting SOTSOG*)
Oasis had more than enough potential to be hugely successful in the 2000s, at least critically. They won't change the cultural landscape again like they did in the 90s and that's okay. They can still put out albums with better quality control (the songs WERE there, they just weren't chosen for the final cuts!) and dip into their back catalogue more with varied setlists in live performances. I think they started to dig their own grave as a nostalgia act by playing mostly DM and MG songs with a handful of new album tracks since 2005. Not saying they have to neglect any hits from the setlist but they had more than enough big hits and fan favourite album tracks and deep cuts to keep it interesting.
Not saying they have to be Radiohead but I think this one flaw was becoming very apparent into the DOYS tour. So many great performances but it became like clockwork, boring.
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Post by mkoasis on Mar 30, 2015 20:31:00 GMT -5
So many songs from DM, MG, and BHN still that could have been featured more often
Shakermaker (not played since 2000) Up in the Sky (not since 1995) Columbia (not played often enough!!!) Digsy's Dinner (not since 1995) Slide Away (not played often enough!!) Hello (played on HC tour in 2002) Roll With It (played only in 01 and 09) Hey Now (never played live) Some Might Say (played only in 2002) Cast No Shadow (not played since 96 bar a few live outings -97,98,02) D'You Know What I Mean? (only played once in 2000 and in 2002 summer) Stand By Me (not played since 2000) Don't Go Away (not played live since 1998) All Around the World (not played live since Dec 1997)
Plus Later hits+ favourites
Go Let it Out Who Feels Love? Gas Panic One Way Road (noel loves it) Hindu Times Stop Crying Your Heart Out Little By Little Turn Up the Sun Let There Be Love
Add in current new album songs and there's more than enough variety to keep the setlists fresh every leg, let alone every tour.
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 30, 2015 20:55:57 GMT -5
i think it was coming back so quick after wtsmg , they shoulda waited another year or two to recharge and get off each others nerves that and not releasing dont go away as there first single , which would have gotten alot of play in states , especially with tragic death of diana soon after , that song was made for that place in time . so if they were to come back so quick they could have made up for that with dont go away All that you have said could be explained in one word: cocaine.
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Post by Cast on Mar 30, 2015 21:51:52 GMT -5
Artistic standpoint: LAG's mediocre (not poor) song overall song output > Coke Business standpoint: Probably having Ignition management not knowing what the fuck they were doing in the late 90's to early 00's. They did a terrible job managing the band's egos, picking singles, managing tours, etc. Interesting what ifs. I agree with kalas's post on taking a break after BHN just so the band could get their wits together, and so that Noel would have had more time on songs, but sometimes in the music biz you gotta strike while the irons hot. That ideology coupled with the fact that band was riding a huge wave and doing massive amounts of coke pretty much is the reason why BHN came out in 1997. Would have been interesting to see what BHN would have sounded like if the band took a breather. SOTSOG's tracklist is a huge what if as well, because after BHN's critical stumble and the exit of two original members the band had an opportunity to really have a rebirth of sorts in terms of sound and public perspective. SOTSOG is a actually a pretty good album, not great but if the band went all in with the moody vibes and picked the best songs of that era, I think the view of Oasis as mindless football hooligans or trad rockers wouldn't have been as strong. Gas Panic, Roll it Over, Fuckin' In The Bushes, Let's All Make Believe, WDIAGW, One Way Road, Who Feels Love, and Go Let It Out are all either very good or great Oasis songs. The lyrical blunder of Little James, the overly sappy SMC, and the lackluster rockers on SOTSOG made that album seem a lot worse than it was and watered down an album that was actually filled with some interesting ideas and emotions. BHN is what it is. Yeah they fucked up but its a really enjoyable album if you take it for face value, and I think even the critics understand that today, but SOTSOG and HC got Oasis II on a stumbling note, Those tracklist fuck ups are kinda mind blowing. Shout It Out Loud is not an a-side?!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 21:59:49 GMT -5
i think it was coming back so quick after wtsmg , they shoulda waited another year or two to recharge and get off each others nerves that and not releasing dont go away as there first single , which would have gotten alot of play in states , especially with tragic death of diana soon after , that song was made for that place in time . so if they were to come back so quick they could have made up for that with dont go away All that you have said could be explained in one word: cocaine. really ?? not releasing don't go away as there first single was due to cocaine I think not , even sober noels choices for singles including the latest have been questioned you cant blame coke use for everything man noel has made some questionable choices sober as well
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Post by glider on Mar 30, 2015 22:22:38 GMT -5
I think it was more their ego rather than cocaine itself.
The Be Here Now era is probably, in my humble opinion, the most pivotal and important time for the band. Oasis was at their peak of success, they were perhaps, even for a short time, the most popular and infamous Rock 'n' Roll band to come out of the UK since the Beatles, due to having an unbelievable, record breaking album internationally, a amazing choice of singles, and mesmerizing concerts. Liam was seen as a sex symbol who held alot of swagger, Noel a melodic and songwriting genius. Along their way to fame, Noel and Liam, along with their their bloated egos and insane rock lifestyles, made them very controversial figures for youth at the time. They were at the top of the world, and felt nothing could stop them.
Be Here Now was hyped beyond belief. Of course the world was watching for the biggest band on the planet to release their 3rd album, one that many believed would etch their name in stone right alongside the Beatles as the greatest bands ever to grace the Earth. As soon as they walked back into the studio, they didn't realize something was different... something changed. The "we will become the best" attitude that saturated Definitely Maybe was gone. They believed they were the best, and no one else was. The DM attitude carried over into WTSMG, but with them realizing "we can do this!", making even a more powerful and varied record. With their next album, they thought nothing could stop them.
The production and recording of Be Here Now was out of control. Constant drug use, partying, overzealous editing, loud, distorted, sound-walls filled with guitar riffs and insanely loud drum beats were truly a very important part of Be Here Now. The tunes, such as Stand By Me and Magic Pie, had amazing melodies in them, but the production completely ruined their potential in my opinion.
When Be Here Now finally released August of 1997, many fans either loved it or hated it. The concerts were filled with ridiculous set-pieces, each song went on even longer live than it already was on the album, and most of all, everyone on that stage was coked out of their minds.
Another horrible outcome is that the Be Here Now tour severely damaged Liam's voice. Liam was screaming the same loud tunes every gig and overtime, began to not be able to sustain the notes. Songs like Fade-In Out, All Around the World, Be Here Now, etc. required insane vocals from him, and while he delivered, it came at a cost.
The Be Here Now era nearly tore the band apart, having Bonehead and Guigsy just leave, Noel not caring to write interesting tunes afterwards, Liam's voice heavily damaged, and poor public opinion and deteriorating fame. Oasis would continue to survive the next decade with 4 more albums that could never live up to their first two (IN MY OPINION), but if there is truly the biggest mistake Oasis made, it was at the height of their fame.
They should've waited till 1999 for new material. Let the legacy grow and become even bigger, paving the way to a monumental comeback, instead of letting it crash and burn. Oasis could've been right there with the Beatles for many people, but now, Oasis is a band people either love, or hate.
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Post by space75gr on Mar 31, 2015 2:11:17 GMT -5
Write in vote:
Noel's desicions about almost everything(tracklists, production, wrong direction, bad LAG songs insted of the good ones, no risks at all etc).The chief should take take the blame first.
Write in vote:
Noel's songwriting
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Post by beentherenow on Mar 31, 2015 3:04:07 GMT -5
I initially voted for LAG songwriting because as a whole it was a gamble that really didn't pay off and by DOYS they really should have realised that it just wasn't good enough.
However thinking about it, perhaps SOTSOG was a bigger mistake. I love this album more than most but it could have been so much more. Firstly although SOTSOG seems a million years away from the BHN era because of all the changes which took place but in reality the recording sessions started only 15 months after AATW was riding high in the UK charts like a drugged up spaceship and only A YEAR after the BHN tour finished!
That wasn't enough time. During that year, Noel quit drugs, they had heaps of personal problems, the British musical landscape changed so it was unrecognisable it was such a turbulent time. Then during the recording sessions lost half the founding members! To put it into context they had bigger gaps between HC and DBTT and DBTT and DOYS with a pretty consistent line up and without half the stuff going on in the background.
They should have had the whole of 1999 off and gone into the studio Spring 2000 for an early 2001 release. Noel would have had a better idea of where he was going, the new members would have been on board (but not enough to offer any songs) and it might have given extra time to finalise some of the other tracks floating around at this time.
I disagree with the SOTSOG/HC hybrid album argument because they're too different and mostly written at different times but the below is a very realistic tracklisting for a slightly delayed SOTSOG
1. Fuckin' in the Bushes 2. Go Let it Out 1st Single 3. Who Feels Love? 4. Lets All Make Believe 3rd Single 5. Little By Little 2nd Single 6. Gas Panic! 7. Where Did It All Go Wrong? 8. It's a Crime (with Liam) 9. Full On (with Liam) 10. Roll It Over
What a truly fantastic album that would have been and not beyond the realms of possibilities. It still baffles me why they were in such a rush after BHN
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Post by MacaRonic on Mar 31, 2015 3:06:49 GMT -5
Write in vote: Be Here Now Not that it's bad, far from it, but it was overhyped, so the media was suddenly expecting the greatest album in 30 years. Had it been as perfect and universally acclaimed as DM/WTSMG, Oasis would suddenly be the biggest rock band in the World. Since it was not, Oasis' colossal momentum was stopped. I also feel that BHN could have been a better album, and had it been just a little bit better and less overblown Oasis would have been the new U2 in terms of popularity. Noel knows this and that's why he's so bitter about BHN. This! ^^
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 3:26:53 GMT -5
I think it was more their ego rather than cocaine itself. The Be Here Now era is probably, in my humble opinion, the most pivotal and important time for the band. Oasis was at their peak of success, they were perhaps, even for a short time, the most popular and infamous Rock 'n' Roll band to come out of the UK since the Beatles, due to having an unbelievable, record breaking album internationally, a amazing choice of singles, and mesmerizing concerts. Liam was seen as a sex symbol who held alot of swagger, Noel a melodic and songwriting genius. Along their way to fame, Noel and Liam, along with their their bloated egos and insane rock lifestyles, made them very controversial figures for youth at the time. They were at the top of the world, and felt nothing could stop them. Be Here Now was hyped beyond belief. Of course the world was watching for the biggest band on the planet to release their 3rd album, one that many believed would etch their name in stone right alongside the Beatles as the greatest bands ever to grace the Earth. As soon as they walked back into the studio, they didn't realize something was different... something changed. The "we will become the best" attitude that saturated Definitely Maybe was gone. They believed they were the best, and no one else was. The DM attitude carried over into WTSMG, but with them realizing "we can do this!", making even a more powerful and varied record. With their next album, they thought nothing could stop them. The production and recording of Be Here Now was out of control. Constant drug use, partying, overzealous editing, loud, distorted, sound-walls filled with guitar riffs and insanely loud drum beats were truly a very important part of Be Here Now. The tunes, such as Stand By Me and Magic Pie, had amazing melodies in them, but the production completely ruined their potential in my opinion. When Be Here Now finally released August of 1997, many fans either loved it or hated it. The concerts were filled with ridiculous set-pieces, each song went on even longer live than it already was on the album, and most of all, everyone on that stage was coked out of their minds. Another horrible outcome is that the Be Here Now tour severely damaged Liam's voice. Liam was screaming the same loud tunes every gig and overtime, began to not be able to sustain the notes. Songs like Fade-In Out, All Around the World, Be Here Now, etc. required insane vocals from him, and while he delivered, it came at a cost. The Be Here Now era nearly tore the band apart, having Bonehead and Guigsy just leave, Noel not caring to write interesting tunes afterwards, Liam's voice heavily damaged, and poor public opinion and deteriorating fame. Oasis would continue to survive the next decade with 4 more albums that could never live up to their first two (IN MY OPINION), but if there is truly the biggest mistake Oasis made, it was at the height of their fame. They should've waited till 1999 for new material. Let the legacy grow and become even bigger, paving the way to a monumental comeback, instead of letting it crash and burn. Oasis could've been right there with the Beatles for many people, but now, Oasis is a band people either love, or hate. This.
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Post by kennerado on Mar 31, 2015 7:06:48 GMT -5
I think they were right to record Be Here Now but a lot of the decisions made by Noel were obviously pretty bad. Too much production, too many damn guitar tracks, too loud!
I think Owen Morris regret's not taking a bigger stand and telling Noel "no" when it came to a lot of what happened during the recording and production of the album. Owen was right when he said they should of kept it simple, used the Mustique demos as the base and maybe added a bit of polish here and there.
Oh and before I forget, I Hope I Think I Know should of been sung by Noel - Liam's lazy vocal with no passion or feeling really ruins that song. Listen to the rough version with Noel singing and you will know what I mean.
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Post by rekrelf on Mar 31, 2015 7:22:31 GMT -5
The biggest mistakes were cancelling the US Tour in 96 and that Liam didn't sing MTV-Unplugged. And that they only played two days at Knebworth, not 10!!! So, the year 1996 did brake their necks...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 31, 2015 8:08:52 GMT -5
Should probably list August/September 1996. That was a critical time for Oasis in America. A botched job at MTV Unplugged, a delayed US tour start, A VMA mockery and a canceled US tour. Yikes!
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