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Post by underneaththesky on Mar 31, 2015 8:27:56 GMT -5
another reason - the people right here right now
humanity started to make a little sense around 94/95. people were starting to live again. and then they just got bored out of living. they went back to sleep. God knows when they are gonna Wake up.
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Post by underneaththesky on Mar 31, 2015 8:29:11 GMT -5
Question : Did Be Here Now LEAK?
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Post by Cast on Mar 31, 2015 9:42:20 GMT -5
Should probably list August/September 1996. That was a critical time for Oasis in America. A botched job at MTV Unplugged, a delayed US tour start, A VMA mockery and a canceled US tour. Yikes! Yup this coupled with DYKWIM's lackluster US release pretty much killed Oasis' popularity in the US.. Obviously the band members were on top of the world but someone should have reined them in a bit either at Creation or at Ignition. It's hard to manage strong personalities like Noel and Liam especially while they are using drugs, but its been done before. The band weren't pro's, neither were most people at Creation (judging by their documentary), but there should have been someone who Noel/Liam respected who would have put them in their place. Shame Peggy couldn't go on the road and smack them about.
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Post by eleysium on Mar 31, 2015 11:47:00 GMT -5
Instead of BHN we should have had an entire record of Noel's Chemical Brothers type stuff. Maybe let the Chemicals produce the imaginary alternative BHN. It would have been massive and could have changed their direction away from slogging stadium rock.
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Post by LlAM on Mar 31, 2015 12:14:52 GMT -5
LAG songwriting wasn't the real problem. The real problem was compromising the tracklists to make way for a certain amount of tracks by each member, instead of taking the best 11 tracks or the 11 tracks that flowed best together, no matter who wrote them. Besides that, I really don't believe they made any major mistakes.
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Post by LlAM on Mar 31, 2015 12:22:17 GMT -5
Question : Did Be Here Now LEAK? COULD it leak? What would you leak it on to in 1997? Minidisc?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 13:04:47 GMT -5
Playing 'The Meaning Of Soul' and 'Ain't Got Nothing' in the same set list! Why the fuck would you even do that?!?
Okay in all seriousness, making She Is Love a double a-side.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 13:06:19 GMT -5
Playing 'The Meaning Of Soul' and 'Ain't Got Nothing' in the same set list! Why the fuck would you even do that?!? Okay in all seriousness, making She Is Love a double a-side. Making She Is Love full stop.
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Post by schindhaughton on Mar 31, 2015 13:23:57 GMT -5
I don't know if I could pinpoint a single worst mistake. I think Be Here Now was a bit of a victory lap, and the band's complacency kind of killed that album. The tracks kind of blend together, even when some of the songs have no business having such a sound. Most of the songs are also a lot longer than they should be; DYKWIM, while awesome, doesn't have any business being that long. Don't get me started on AATW. I also think Magic Pie could have been something much better. I think if the album was left to bake for another year or two, it would have been a very good album.
I also feel that SOTSOG had the potential to be a much better album (even though I do like the album). Oasis was not afraid to experiment with that album, and I think a lot of it came out pretty well. If you remove the unredeemable songs that kill the album for a lot of people (I Can See A Liar, Little James), improve the songs that are absolutely redeemable (Sunday Morning Call, Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is), and included some of the B sides (Let's All Make Believe, etc.), you could have easily had a very good album. If it came out right after 9/11, the tone of it would have fit very well.
Heathen Chemistry also could have been a lot better. I feel that Noel wussed out on that one after hearing the demos of The Hindu Times and Stop Crying Your Heart Out. There were also a lot of quality control issues- allowing some songs on the album that had no business being there, such as Better Man and A Quick Peep.
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Post by supernovadragon on Mar 31, 2015 13:42:43 GMT -5
Agreed with schindhaughton about not being able to pinpoint the single worst mistake. For me, if I did have to pinpoint it, it would be that sometimes they didn't take the timeout they needed to. The one single problem with Be Here Now (I love the album and appreciate the entire thing for what it is), is that it came out too fast after Knebworth. Take a year or something out, release an EP if need be (thinking about it, an EP would have been a good hold over) and bang BHN out in 1998 might have worked. SOTSOG I cannot fault, I love it for what it is. Ok, so maybe changing the tracklisting and including the likes of LAMB on there is all I'd do, I still love it. However, taking an extra year out, especially with Bonehead + Guigsy leaving and to let Andy and Gem settle in, might just have worked. Imagine the combination of STOSOG and HC, if they had waited. Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Hung In A Bad Place, The Hindu Times, (Probably) All In The Mind etc with the production of SOTOG. Then they could have had their proper biggest hit album since WTSMG definitely am sure
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Post by wozdareden on Mar 31, 2015 14:37:15 GMT -5
You have to reconsider that summer 97. There were two albums that change a lot of things. That year, The Verve released Urban Hymns and Radiohead released OK Computer (and kill the Britpop).
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Post by underneaththesky on Mar 31, 2015 15:17:22 GMT -5
Question : Did Be Here Now LEAK? COULD it leak? What would you leak it on to in 1997? Minidisc? COME ON OUTISDE
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Mar 31, 2015 15:42:39 GMT -5
AG songwriting killed Oasis.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 31, 2015 16:19:54 GMT -5
You have to reconsider that summer 97. There were two albums that change a lot of things. That year, The Verve released Urban Hymns and Radiohead released OK Computer (and kill the Britpop). Urban Hymns stole Be Here Now's Thunder. Radiohead cemented a legendary career that would only get better.
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Post by LlAM on Mar 31, 2015 16:38:24 GMT -5
Something else happened in 1997 that changed the World.
#CandleInTheWind
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 17:15:54 GMT -5
You have to reconsider that summer 97. There were two albums that change a lot of things. That year, The Verve released Urban Hymns and Radiohead released OK Computer (and kill the Britpop). Urban Hymns stole Be Here Now's Thunder. Radiohead cemented a legendary career that would only get better. I've heard people criticise Be Here Now for being too long whilst praising Urban Hymns. Urban Hymns is 4 minutes longer than Be Here Now, yet it never comes under any scrutiny for its length. I actually prefer The Bends to OK Computer but it's an excellent album and rightly lauded as a masterpiece.
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Post by Manualex on Mar 31, 2015 17:37:54 GMT -5
Urban Hymns stole Be Here Now's Thunder. Radiohead cemented a legendary career that would only get better. I've heard people criticise Be Here Now for being too long whilst praising Urban Hymns. Urban Hymns is 4 minutes longer than Be Here Now, yet it never comes under any scrutiny for its length. I actually prefer The Bends to OK Computer but it's an excellent album and rightly lauded as a masterpiece. Urban Hymns have got Bittersweet Symphony, BHN has D'U know what I mean? The longest song(without counting the sliece in Come On wich is nearly 7 minutes long) on UH is Rolling people(7 minutes long) whilr BHN had DYKWIM? All around the world and Its getting Better man(these two back to back) these 3 tracks have fucking pointless outros(backward chorus guitars? Naanananananananana batman and Hey! Its getting better.maaaaaaaaaaaan) while in UH only two could be that way and they are far apart(Rolling people and Come On, also these two are the only "rockers" of the album) to make any damage for the casual listener. Every song on BHN was up to 11 and on UH there was some space to breathe(the ballads on BHN are great but have way too many electric guitars on them). Also everyone and his mom knows Bittersweet Symphony while only the hardcore oasis/britpop fans remembers DYKWIM?
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Post by World71R on Mar 31, 2015 17:47:43 GMT -5
Instead of BHN we should have had an entire record of Noel's Chemical Brothers type stuff. Maybe let the Chemicals produce the imaginary alternative BHN. It would have been massive and could have changed their direction away from slogging stadium rock. That would've removed one of the factors that killed BHN, which was that OK Computer made the album look dumbed down and basic. A forward-thinking Chemical Brothers/Owen Morris-co produced effort would've been a good answer to OKC, and had the band stand out.
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 31, 2015 19:49:43 GMT -5
Urban Hymns was what BHN should have been, I think they are cousin albums for some reason, thay have the same sound and style.
But UH is more varied, there are rockers, acoustic ballads, soft moments, psychedelic stuffs, moods changing at every song, UH learned with WTSMG.
BHN on the other hand, was everything turned up to 11, there isn't an acoustic ballad, all has eletric guitars on that album, BHN can give listening fatigue because of this.
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Post by mkoasis on Mar 31, 2015 20:03:08 GMT -5
Is Urban Hymns really 76 mins? I think there's a good gap of silence between the end of Come On and the creepy ghost track.
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Post by Cast on Mar 31, 2015 21:36:06 GMT -5
When you're talking about 1997 albums with regard to the British rock landscape you cannot forget Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space. That album is on par with Urban Hymns and Ok Computer. I enjoy all four of those albums and I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple others, but those four stand out with 3 of them being legit classics.
BHN - best party, sunny day roadtrip album Urban Hymns - arguably the most balanced album of the four, and along with WTSMG shaped the post-britpop soft brit-rock stuff (Coldplay, Travis, etc.) Ok Computer - a precursor to the 21st century culture (along with Kid A) and to 21st century rock n roll. Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space - a heart wrenching progressive space rock masterpiece that is dense sonically and deep emotionally.
Outstanding group of albums when you think about it.
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Post by matt on Mar 31, 2015 22:09:01 GMT -5
Biggest mistake IMO is not listed there: not taking risks and playing it too safe (*not counting SOTSOG*) Oasis had more than enough potential to be hugely successful in the 2000s, at least critically. They won't change the cultural landscape again like they did in the 90s and that's okay. They can still put out albums with better quality control (the songs WERE there, they just weren't chosen for the final cuts!) and dip into their back catalogue more with varied setlists in live performances. I think they started to dig their own grave as a nostalgia act by playing mostly DM and MG songs with a handful of new album tracks since 2005. Not saying they have to neglect any hits from the setlist but they had more than enough big hits and fan favourite album tracks and deep cuts to keep it interesting. Not saying they have to be Radiohead but I think this one flaw was becoming very apparent into the DOYS tour. So many great performances but it became like clockwork, boring. Yep, this is my biggest gripe. The sound became so stale and boring. Just sludgy guitars and plodding rhythms. I can look at the boring sound and unambition this way: Heathen Chemistry - Okay, I'll let them off. Noel admitted writers block, two new members were still integrating their way into the band. Don't Believe The Truth - A sucker punch this one. Lots of excitement with Death In Vegas getting on board but a recording crisis meant back to square one so quickly reassemble. I can forgive them for this. Dig Out Your Soul - This one I cannot forgive. For all the promises of either songs being of a grandiose nature and a different sound, this album is the biggest disappointment in Oasis. They had three years with no trouble or interruption to try and come up with something unique, new and fresh - and the album is just unforgettable.
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Post by matt on Mar 31, 2015 22:12:25 GMT -5
You have to reconsider that summer 97. There were two albums that change a lot of things. That year, The Verve released Urban Hymns and Radiohead released OK Computer (and kill the Britpop). Not to mention their fellow Britpoppers Blur were trying new things. Oasis got cowardly, and what's worse, they got even more unambitious as the years went by.
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Post by Manualex on Mar 31, 2015 22:18:25 GMT -5
Is Urban Hymns really 76 mins? I think there's a good gap of silence between the end of Come On and the creepy ghost track. 67 mins if you dont count the silence gap and deep freeze(most pointless secret track ever?)
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 31, 2015 22:34:05 GMT -5
Death in Vegas working with them was Liam's idea at that time by the way, but Noel said no to them, and then Noel said that he didn't experimented more with Oasis because of Liam.
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