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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 15, 2015 19:27:24 GMT -5
Oasis after the 90s most of the times I saw them were shit. Liam was standing in the middle acting like a dick, whining, sounding terrible and growling. Noel looked like he couldn't give a shit and generally hating Liam and the rest looked like what they were, session musicians. Perhaps in 10years as a one off but I've no wish to see them again anytime soon. Harsh but true. Seeing them in 2009, and Kasabian were much better. That says something as I fucking detest that band (barring the first album which is decent, they played all the derivative shite from the third and second album). It was the same in 2000 - Travis supported them and were far better by accounts I heard. I caught Travis opening up for Oasis at Radio City Music Hall in May 2000 on the SOTSOG tour. They were excellent. Travis was blowing up around that time. The Man Who was getting rave reviews and the band began to get great USA interest while Oasis was getting bad album reviews and tabloid headlines. I'm sure many novice music fans thought the concert bill should be reversed. Not yet anyways. Oasis was still roaring live in 2000. Wasn't the same as the 90s gigs but the band could still kick ass live. |
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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:28:43 GMT -5
Yep, all the millions of people so saw them after the 90's thought the same. Tell that to the people who saw them in Slane, Heaton Park, Wembley 09 Tell that to the fuckin' Argentines!! (what a quote!!) Bloody hell. The sad thing is that Argentina gig looked great. But it was a one off wasn't it? You know that you would never be sure whether they would turn up on the day. The bad to average gigs heavily outnumbered the brilliant gigs, which were all too fleeting. A bit like Steven Gerrard today - a world class professional football who in his prime was just amazing, but the harsh truth is his performances are dragging the team down, and very occasionally, you see the fleeting glimpses of past genius. That was often the case with Oasis. So no, I won't be seeing Oasis, I can assure you of that.Well for me that's quite sad. Slane 09 was one of the best gigs I've ever been to... and everyone else I talked to said the same. Ah well. |
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Post by batfink30 on Feb 15, 2015 19:29:58 GMT -5
The sad thing is that Argentina gig looked great. But it was a one off wasn't it? You know that you would never be sure whether they would turn up on the day. The bad to average gigs heavily outnumbered the brilliant gigs, which were all too fleeting. A bit like Steven Gerrard today - a world class professional football who in his prime was just amazing, but the harsh truth is his performances are dragging the team down, and very occasionally, you see the fleeting glimpses of past genius. That was often the case with Oasis. So no, I won't be seeing Oasis, I can assure you of that.Well for me that's quite sad. Slane 09 was one of the best gigs I've ever been to... and everyone else I talked to said the same. Ah well. Not as good as U2 at Slane back in the 2000s. |
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2015 19:33:21 GMT -5
Harsh but true. Seeing them in 2009, and Kasabian were much better. That says something as I fucking detest that band (barring the first album which is decent, they played all the derivative shite from the third and second album). It was the same in 2000 - Travis supported them and were far better by accounts I heard. I've spent (through stubhub etc) £550 for tickets for me and the wife to see Noel next month in the Albert Hall and at my local arena. If it was an Oasis reunion tour I honestly wouldn't have paid that, in fact I may not go at all. I think I've maybe grown out of the swaggering, growling, spitting, looking for a fight crowd that Oasis attract (also Liam). I'm much more into the acoustic, lighter sounding grown up Noel now. It's maybe an age thing. Yep, Oasis gigs attracted right Neanderthal piss throwing bell ends, certainly in the UK. You had to stand some way back to keep away from that vermin. Spoke to one idiot, admitted to me he was a BNP supporter at the bar and went galavanting off with his idiot mates to some ruckus fight at the front. It only escalated when that ape from Kasabian slouched on stage. And before anyone defends that dirty side to Oasis gigs, that doesn't happen at any other bands gig. Great gigs are meant to be a communal experience, so I've never experienced as much hostility as one from an Oasis gig. |
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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:33:48 GMT -5
Well for me that's quite sad. Slane 09 was one of the best gigs I've ever been to... and everyone else I talked to said the same. Ah well. Not as good as U2 at Slane back in the 2000s. I'm genuinely delighted for you that you think that. |
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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:35:51 GMT -5
I've spent (through stubhub etc) £550 for tickets for me and the wife to see Noel next month in the Albert Hall and at my local arena. If it was an Oasis reunion tour I honestly wouldn't have paid that, in fact I may not go at all. I think I've maybe grown out of the swaggering, growling, spitting, looking for a fight crowd that Oasis attract (also Liam). I'm much more into the acoustic, lighter sounding grown up Noel now. It's maybe an age thing. Yep, Oasis gigs attracted right Neanderthal piss throwing bell ends, certainly in the UK. You had to stand some way back to keep away from that vermin. Spoke to one idiot, admitted to me he was a BNP supporter at the bar and went galavanting off with his idiot mates to some ruckus fight at the front. It only escalated when that ape from Kasabian slouched on stage. And before anyone defends that dirty side to Oasis gigs, that doesn't happen at any other bands gig. Great gigs are meant to be a communal experience, so I've never experienced as much hostility as one from an Oasis gig. Man up, soft lad. |
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2015 19:37:45 GMT -5
Yep, Oasis gigs attracted right Neanderthal piss throwing bell ends, certainly in the UK. You had to stand some way back to keep away from that vermin. Spoke to one idiot, admitted to me he was a BNP supporter at the bar and went galavanting off with his idiot mates to some ruckus fight at the front. It only escalated when that ape from Kasabian slouched on stage. And before anyone defends that dirty side to Oasis gigs, that doesn't happen at any other bands gig. Great gigs are meant to be a communal experience, so I've never experienced as much hostility as one from an Oasis gig. Man up, soft lad. Nah mate, I'm above all that crap. |
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Post by Sternumman on Feb 15, 2015 19:43:43 GMT -5
Haha, any other analogies? Said this one before, but Oasis were like the pretty high school prom sweetheart, then you revisit her years later and she's living in a caravan, smokes three packets a day, is 10 stone overweight and has various kids from various men. You then leave, wishing you'd never returned, and precious memories of bygone years forever soiled...... So if Oasis have a UK tour in the next few years you won't be going? I'm a hypocrite. I've said it for a while that I dont want them to reform. However, If they announce tickets I'm sure I'd buy them and I'm sure I'd have a good time. But it will never will have the magic it once had. It's like watching Jordan when he was on the Wizards. We all wanted him to be great but he was a shell of himself. Sometimes its better to have great memories than see your idols when they are old. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 15, 2015 19:45:42 GMT -5
So if Oasis have a UK tour in the next few years you won't be going? I'm a hypocrite. I've said it for a while that I dont want them to reform. However, If they announce tickets I'm sure I'd buy them and I'm sure I'd have a good time. But it will never will have the magic it once had. It's like watching Jordan when he was on the Bulls. We all wanted him to be great but he was a shell of himself. Sometimes its better to have great memories than see your idols when they are old. I'm with you. I'd buy tickets and go but I'd much prefer no reunion happen at all. Solo Noel is surely lovely times. Happy times. Exciting times. BTW...........you mean Wizards Jordan right? |
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Post by HMSBaz on Feb 15, 2015 19:50:25 GMT -5
Oasis should have followed Wellers example, split when the going was good, that's why The Jam's legacy is so great, and they'll never reform. If Oasis reform 90% of the setlist will be first three albums....just saying like.
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Post by Sternumman on Feb 15, 2015 19:52:39 GMT -5
I'm a hypocrite. I've said it for a while that I dont want them to reform. However, If they announce tickets I'm sure I'd buy them and I'm sure I'd have a good time. But it will never will have the magic it once had. It's like watching Jordan when he was on the Bulls. We all wanted him to be great but he was a shell of himself. Sometimes its better to have great memories than see your idols when they are old. I'm with you. I'd buy tickets and go but I'd much prefer no reunion happen at all. Solo Noel is surely lovely times. Happy times. Exciting times. BTW...........you mean Wizards Jordan right? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 19:58:10 GMT -5
Yep, Oasis gigs attracted right Neanderthal piss throwing bell ends, certainly in the UK. You had to stand some way back to keep away from that vermin. Spoke to one idiot, admitted to me he was a BNP supporter at the bar and went galavanting off with his idiot mates to some ruckus fight at the front. It only escalated when that ape from Kasabian slouched on stage. And before anyone defends that dirty side to Oasis gigs, that doesn't happen at any other bands gig. Great gigs are meant to be a communal experience, so I've never experienced as much hostility as one from an Oasis gig. Man up, soft lad. There's nothing manly about the BNP. Disgusting party that promotes racism above all. |
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Post by glider on Feb 15, 2015 20:00:00 GMT -5
Like I posted earlier, the only reason I would see a reunion is if both Noel and Liam have exhausted their creative potential without working together. I believe that Beady Eye stretched their musical prowess as long as they could with the brains in it and their songwriting strategy. They realized it was a bad move to make their first record a over-indulgent tribute to the Beatles and the post-2000 rockers Oasis made, so hired a top notch producer and made a decent album that worked with mostly acoustic sets. Because of their flawed strategy, I couldn't envision their 3rd album being anything massively amazing.
Noel, on the other hand, is not done yet. Noel played it safe on HFB1, but the production was very sloppy. With Noel in the production chair, he has been able to craft a album that doesn't lose pace and is able to keep an interesting vibe and fast-paced notion.
TL;DR: Sorry to beat the dead horse, but to put it simply: Noel has plenty of creativity left, and in my honest opinion, Liam has little if not none left.
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2015 20:03:07 GMT -5
There's nothing manly about the BNP. Disgusting party that promotes racism above all. Well according to UGHF, to be a REAL man you have to drink loads, get into fights, throw your piss at innocent bystanders, swear a lot and, to top it all off, be a neo-fascist. Reminds me of Alan Partridge trying to impress the film crew - 'ooooh, I'm being a bloke!'  |
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Post by batfink30 on Feb 15, 2015 20:12:23 GMT -5
Like I posted earlier, the only reason I would see a reunion is if both Noel and Liam have exhausted their creative potential without working together. I believe that Beady Eye stretched their musical prowess as long as they could with the brains in it and their songwriting strategy. They realized it was a bad move to make their first record a over-indulgent tribute to the Beatles and the post-2000 rockers Oasis made, so hired a top notch producer and made a decent album that worked with mostly acoustic sets. Because of their flawed strategy, I couldn't envision their 3rd album being anything massively amazing. Noel, on the other hand, is not done yet. Noel played it safe on HFB1, but the production was very sloppy. With Noel in the production chair, he has been able to craft a album that doesn't lose pace and is able to keep an interesting vibe and fast-paced notion. TL;DR: Sorry to beat the dead horse, but to put it simply: Noel has plenty of creativity left, and in my honest opinion, Liam has little if not none left. Noels musical intelligence really shines through on CY. You can hear he's a music buff and listens to a lot of different music and it comes through on the production, chord changes and melodies. With BE it was "one trick pony" music and there was little or nothing left in the tank. Hopefully he keeps it up as I think when he's being lazy and loses interest (during middle to latter Oasis) he churns out generic crap. I think Noel now wants to be seen as one of the best songwriters of his generation and I think he likes all the adulation and awards he gets, in fact you can see he revels in it. I think this is pushing him (the same as at the start of Oasis) to produce good music. |
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Post by glider on Feb 15, 2015 20:14:51 GMT -5
Like I posted earlier, the only reason I would see a reunion is if both Noel and Liam have exhausted their creative potential without working together. I believe that Beady Eye stretched their musical prowess as long as they could with the brains in it and their songwriting strategy. They realized it was a bad move to make their first record a over-indulgent tribute to the Beatles and the post-2000 rockers Oasis made, so hired a top notch producer and made a decent album that worked with mostly acoustic sets. Because of their flawed strategy, I couldn't envision their 3rd album being anything massively amazing. Noel, on the other hand, is not done yet. Noel played it safe on HFB1, but the production was very sloppy. With Noel in the production chair, he has been able to craft a album that doesn't lose pace and is able to keep an interesting vibe and fast-paced notion. TL;DR: Sorry to beat the dead horse, but to put it simply: Noel has plenty of creativity left, and in my honest opinion, Liam has little if not none left. Noels musical intelligence really shines through on CY. You can hear he's a music buff and listens to a lot of different music and it comes through on the production, chord changes and melodies. W ith BE it was "one trick pony" music and there was little or nothing left in the tank. Hopefully he keeps it up as I think when he's being lazy and loses interest (during middle to latter Oasis) he churns out generic crap. I think Noel now wants to be seen as one of the best songwriters of his generation and I think he likes all the adulation and awards he gets, in fact you can see he revels in it. I think this is pushing him (the same as at the start of Oasis) to produce good music. Exactly. They had mediocre tunes at best that would sounds absolutely terrible without great production. You can thank Dave Sitek for that. |
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Post by UGHF on Feb 16, 2015 4:47:19 GMT -5
There's nothing manly about the BNP. Disgusting party that promotes racism above all. Well according to UGHF, to be a REAL man you have to drink loads, get into fights, throw your piss at innocent bystanders, swear a lot and, to top it all off, be a neo-fascist. Reminds me of Alan Partridge trying to impress the film crew - 'ooooh, I'm being a bloke!' Where did I say that? I just don't let those kind of people ruin my gig. Simples. |
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Post by RocketMan on Feb 16, 2015 5:20:42 GMT -5
I hate that oasis fans, me included, quote the gig in argentina as one of their best. It's all about the crowd at that gig and not the band. And as we all know those south american crowds are mental. Just look at acdcs gig there, it's even better than the oasis one
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Post by Sternumman on Feb 16, 2015 5:21:29 GMT -5
Well according to UGHF, to be a REAL man you have to drink loads, get into fights, throw your piss at innocent bystanders, swear a lot and, to top it all off, be a neo-fascist. Reminds me of Alan Partridge trying to impress the film crew - 'ooooh, I'm being a bloke!' Where did I say that? I just don't let those kind of people ruin my gig. Simples. If you got hit with piss it wouldnt ruin your gig? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 5:29:44 GMT -5
Tbf, I don't think UGHF is a neo-fascist and I don't think Matt is soft.
But to go back on topic, there is no point arguing over Liam vs Noel because Noel is obviously the more talented, creative one and will supply us with the best music. Liam, Noel and everyone here knows it. The only thing to talk about is how far they can go in their respective careers, in context to their talent. Clearly Noel has had the better start with two top quality albums, the second of which is a career highlight IMO with all his 90s output. In fairness Liam has also showed he has a certain amount of creative ability but that he needs to solve a lot of problems before he can start a really respectable career on his own - chief of them being his vocals and his lyrics. He CAN write good songs but I get the feeling he loves touring, doing interviews and the like more than writing his own material - in short he's a frontman. In time though if he starts to think seriously about writing he could put together a really good ten track album - maybe with collaborations or even guest vocalists. But that is far in the future as the present has bigger problems for him to solve than choruses and middle eights...Meanwhile my eyes are fixed firmly on The (Very) High Flying Birds and where Noel will take his songwriting in the future - how experimental will he go and good will he be at it? Chasing Yesterday suggests the future is bright indeed.
I find this a very exciting time to be a Gallagher follower and fan and I sincerely hope it is not spoiled by the dull, predictable ending of a reunion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 5:35:15 GMT -5
Wow, this thread has turned into yet another Liam VS Noel debate.
They need each other!
God bless.
#TeamOasis #LiveForever
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Post by UGHF on Feb 16, 2015 5:44:32 GMT -5
Where did I say that? I just don't let those kind of people ruin my gig. Simples. If you got hit with piss it wouldnt ruin your gig? The chances of being hit are very low... and besides I'm sure most of the piss is just beer. If I did get hit, it wouldn't put me off going to future gigs though. |
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Post by Let It🩸 on Feb 16, 2015 6:02:19 GMT -5
A golden shower is a typical day in the life of UGHF.
God bless.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Feb 16, 2015 6:46:03 GMT -5
I saw them Bolton 2000 and Newcastle 2005. At the Newcastle gig the band were buzzing, Liam an Noel even linked arms and skipped around in a circle during Songbird. On a side note, I called out Tony Mccarols name and Noel replied "Tony Mccarroll, you have got to be fucking kidding me". Second best gig of my life so far.
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Post by liamsloafers on Feb 16, 2015 7:15:38 GMT -5
From hearing chasing yesterday and unless I m missing something this album should/ will be a massive success. And now he's producing his own stuff as well. My friends OASIS are dead. Noel would be a fool to start oasis again. For money ( dosnt need it) For attention ( he's got it) For Liam ( don't think he cares). The only way it will happen is if his career nose dives and whilst people like Paul weller are telling him not to and Chasing Yesterday thrives I ll carry listening to the old CD s cause that's the closest I m gonna get.
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