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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:20:36 GMT -5
What if Noel had 100% control again? I dunno, I feel that a lot of people here (after being suitably impressed by Noel's album) are unfairly belittling Oasis later's work, BE and Liam to a gross degree. It's uncalled for. Be impressed by the album sure, but to be so anti-Oasis that one poster said ''Fuck Oasis'' is quite frankly astonishing. Even saying that they wouldn't be bothered seeing Oasis live again...I'm astounded by that. Oasis after the 90s most of the times I saw them were shit. Liam was standing in the middle acting like a dick, whining, sounding terrible and growling. Noel looked like he couldn't give a shit and generally hating Liam and the rest looked like what they were, session musicians. Perhaps in 10years as a one off but I've no wish to see them again anytime soon. Yep, all the millions of people who saw them after the 90's thought the same. Tell that to the people who saw them in Slane, Heaton Park, Wembley 09 Tell that to the fuckin' Argentines!! (what a quote!!) Bloody hell.
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2015 19:20:41 GMT -5
What if Noel had 100% control again? I dunno, I feel that a lot of people here (after being suitably impressed by Noel's album) are unfairly belittling Oasis later's work, BE and Liam to a gross degree. It's uncalled for. Be impressed by the album sure, but to be so anti-Oasis that one poster said ''Fuck Oasis'' is quite frankly astonishing. Even saying that they wouldn't be bothered seeing Oasis live again...I'm astounded by that. Oasis after the 90s most of the times I saw them were shit. Liam was standing in the middle acting like a dick, whining, sounding terrible and growling. Noel looked like he couldn't give a shit and generally hating Liam and the rest looked like what they were, session musicians. Perhaps in 10years as a one off but I've no wish to see them again anytime soon. Harsh but true. Seeing them in 2009, and Kasabian were much better. That says something as I fucking detest that band (barring the first album which is decent, they played all the derivative shite from the third and second album). It was the same in 2000 - Travis supported them and were far better by accounts I heard.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 15, 2015 19:20:46 GMT -5
I also found it lame that Oasis kept using Fucking In The Bushes (ON TAPE) as their concert intros for almost a decade. It was cool on the SOTSOG tour but I could never understand why it wasn't ever attemped live with guitars, bass and drums. Surely it is possible despite the Samples. Shit, the parts it samples (Little Miss Lover) were performed live many times on music shows by Jimi Hendrix and the Experience.
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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:24:42 GMT -5
Oasis after the 90s most of the times I saw them were shit. Liam was standing in the middle acting like a dick, whining, sounding terrible and growling. Noel looked like he couldn't give a shit and generally hating Liam and the rest looked like what they were, session musicians. Perhaps in 10years as a one off but I've no wish to see them again anytime soon. Harsh but true. Seeing them in 2009, and Kasabian were much better. That says something as I fucking detest that band (barring the first album which is decent, they played all the derivative shite from the third and second album). It was the same in 2000 - Travis supported them and were far better by accounts I heard. Sorry, can't take any of this seriously. When the next Oasis gig occurs I'll be loving it... just as I love listening to new Noel Gallagher tracks.
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2015 19:24:51 GMT -5
Oasis after the 90s most of the times I saw them were shit. Liam was standing in the middle acting like a dick, whining, sounding terrible and growling. Noel looked like he couldn't give a shit and generally hating Liam and the rest looked like what they were, session musicians. Perhaps in 10years as a one off but I've no wish to see them again anytime soon. Yep, all the millions of people so saw them after the 90's thought the same. Tell that to the people who saw them in Slane, Heaton Park, Wembley 09 Tell that to the fuckin' Argentines!! (what a quote!!) Bloody hell. The sad thing is that Argentina gig looked great. But it was a one off wasn't it? You know that you would never be sure whether they would turn up on the day. The bad to average gigs heavily outnumbered the brilliant gigs, which were all too fleeting. A bit like Steven Gerrard today - a world class professional football who in his prime was just amazing, but the harsh truth is his performances are dragging the team down, and very occasionally, you see the fleeting glimpses of past genius. But with Liverpool fans, you'll still get the odd ones who want him to play on forever and ever and ever. That was often the case with Oasis. So no, I won't be seeing Oasis, I can assure you of that.
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Post by batfink30 on Feb 15, 2015 19:26:14 GMT -5
Oasis after the 90s most of the times I saw them were shit. Liam was standing in the middle acting like a dick, whining, sounding terrible and growling. Noel looked like he couldn't give a shit and generally hating Liam and the rest looked like what they were, session musicians. Perhaps in 10years as a one off but I've no wish to see them again anytime soon. Harsh but true. Seeing them in 2009, and Kasabian were much better. That says something as I fucking detest that band (barring the first album which is decent, they played all the derivative shite from the third and second album). It was the same in 2000 - Travis supported them and were far better by accounts I heard. I've spent (through stubhub etc) £550 for tickets for me and the wife to see Noel next month in the Albert Hall and at my local arena. If it was an Oasis reunion tour I honestly wouldn't have paid that, in fact I may not go at all. I think I've maybe grown out of the swaggering, growling, spitting, looking for a fight crowd that Oasis attract (also Liam). I'm much more into the acoustic, lighter sounding grown up Noel now. It's maybe an age thing.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 15, 2015 19:27:24 GMT -5
Oasis after the 90s most of the times I saw them were shit. Liam was standing in the middle acting like a dick, whining, sounding terrible and growling. Noel looked like he couldn't give a shit and generally hating Liam and the rest looked like what they were, session musicians. Perhaps in 10years as a one off but I've no wish to see them again anytime soon. Harsh but true. Seeing them in 2009, and Kasabian were much better. That says something as I fucking detest that band (barring the first album which is decent, they played all the derivative shite from the third and second album). It was the same in 2000 - Travis supported them and were far better by accounts I heard. I caught Travis opening up for Oasis at Radio City Music Hall in May 2000 on the SOTSOG tour. They were excellent. Travis was blowing up around that time. The Man Who was getting rave reviews and the band began to get great USA interest while Oasis was getting bad album reviews and tabloid headlines. I'm sure many novice music fans thought the concert bill should be reversed. Not yet anyways. Oasis was still roaring live in 2000. Wasn't the same as the 90s gigs but the band could still kick ass live.
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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:28:43 GMT -5
Yep, all the millions of people so saw them after the 90's thought the same. Tell that to the people who saw them in Slane, Heaton Park, Wembley 09 Tell that to the fuckin' Argentines!! (what a quote!!) Bloody hell. The sad thing is that Argentina gig looked great. But it was a one off wasn't it? You know that you would never be sure whether they would turn up on the day. The bad to average gigs heavily outnumbered the brilliant gigs, which were all too fleeting. A bit like Steven Gerrard today - a world class professional football who in his prime was just amazing, but the harsh truth is his performances are dragging the team down, and very occasionally, you see the fleeting glimpses of past genius. That was often the case with Oasis. So no, I won't be seeing Oasis, I can assure you of that.Well for me that's quite sad. Slane 09 was one of the best gigs I've ever been to... and everyone else I talked to said the same. Ah well.
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Post by batfink30 on Feb 15, 2015 19:29:58 GMT -5
The sad thing is that Argentina gig looked great. But it was a one off wasn't it? You know that you would never be sure whether they would turn up on the day. The bad to average gigs heavily outnumbered the brilliant gigs, which were all too fleeting. A bit like Steven Gerrard today - a world class professional football who in his prime was just amazing, but the harsh truth is his performances are dragging the team down, and very occasionally, you see the fleeting glimpses of past genius. That was often the case with Oasis. So no, I won't be seeing Oasis, I can assure you of that.Well for me that's quite sad. Slane 09 was one of the best gigs I've ever been to... and everyone else I talked to said the same. Ah well. Not as good as U2 at Slane back in the 2000s.
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2015 19:33:21 GMT -5
Harsh but true. Seeing them in 2009, and Kasabian were much better. That says something as I fucking detest that band (barring the first album which is decent, they played all the derivative shite from the third and second album). It was the same in 2000 - Travis supported them and were far better by accounts I heard. I've spent (through stubhub etc) £550 for tickets for me and the wife to see Noel next month in the Albert Hall and at my local arena. If it was an Oasis reunion tour I honestly wouldn't have paid that, in fact I may not go at all. I think I've maybe grown out of the swaggering, growling, spitting, looking for a fight crowd that Oasis attract (also Liam). I'm much more into the acoustic, lighter sounding grown up Noel now. It's maybe an age thing. Yep, Oasis gigs attracted right Neanderthal piss throwing bell ends, certainly in the UK. You had to stand some way back to keep away from that vermin. Spoke to one idiot, admitted to me he was a BNP supporter at the bar and went galavanting off with his idiot mates to some ruckus fight at the front. It only escalated when that ape from Kasabian slouched on stage. And before anyone defends that dirty side to Oasis gigs, that doesn't happen at any other bands gig. Great gigs are meant to be a communal experience, so I've never experienced as much hostility as one from an Oasis gig.
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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:33:48 GMT -5
Well for me that's quite sad. Slane 09 was one of the best gigs I've ever been to... and everyone else I talked to said the same. Ah well. Not as good as U2 at Slane back in the 2000s. I'm genuinely delighted for you that you think that.
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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:35:51 GMT -5
I've spent (through stubhub etc) £550 for tickets for me and the wife to see Noel next month in the Albert Hall and at my local arena. If it was an Oasis reunion tour I honestly wouldn't have paid that, in fact I may not go at all. I think I've maybe grown out of the swaggering, growling, spitting, looking for a fight crowd that Oasis attract (also Liam). I'm much more into the acoustic, lighter sounding grown up Noel now. It's maybe an age thing. Yep, Oasis gigs attracted right Neanderthal piss throwing bell ends, certainly in the UK. You had to stand some way back to keep away from that vermin. Spoke to one idiot, admitted to me he was a BNP supporter at the bar and went galavanting off with his idiot mates to some ruckus fight at the front. It only escalated when that ape from Kasabian slouched on stage. And before anyone defends that dirty side to Oasis gigs, that doesn't happen at any other bands gig. Great gigs are meant to be a communal experience, so I've never experienced as much hostility as one from an Oasis gig. Man up, soft lad.
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2015 19:37:45 GMT -5
Yep, Oasis gigs attracted right Neanderthal piss throwing bell ends, certainly in the UK. You had to stand some way back to keep away from that vermin. Spoke to one idiot, admitted to me he was a BNP supporter at the bar and went galavanting off with his idiot mates to some ruckus fight at the front. It only escalated when that ape from Kasabian slouched on stage. And before anyone defends that dirty side to Oasis gigs, that doesn't happen at any other bands gig. Great gigs are meant to be a communal experience, so I've never experienced as much hostility as one from an Oasis gig. Man up, soft lad. Nah mate, I'm above all that crap.
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Post by Sternumman on Feb 15, 2015 19:43:43 GMT -5
Haha, any other analogies? Said this one before, but Oasis were like the pretty high school prom sweetheart, then you revisit her years later and she's living in a caravan, smokes three packets a day, is 10 stone overweight and has various kids from various men. You then leave, wishing you'd never returned, and precious memories of bygone years forever soiled...... So if Oasis have a UK tour in the next few years you won't be going? I'm a hypocrite. I've said it for a while that I dont want them to reform. However, If they announce tickets I'm sure I'd buy them and I'm sure I'd have a good time. But it will never will have the magic it once had. It's like watching Jordan when he was on the Wizards. We all wanted him to be great but he was a shell of himself. Sometimes its better to have great memories than see your idols when they are old.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 15, 2015 19:45:42 GMT -5
So if Oasis have a UK tour in the next few years you won't be going? I'm a hypocrite. I've said it for a while that I dont want them to reform. However, If they announce tickets I'm sure I'd buy them and I'm sure I'd have a good time. But it will never will have the magic it once had. It's like watching Jordan when he was on the Bulls. We all wanted him to be great but he was a shell of himself. Sometimes its better to have great memories than see your idols when they are old. I'm with you. I'd buy tickets and go but I'd much prefer no reunion happen at all. Solo Noel is surely lovely times. Happy times. Exciting times. BTW...........you mean Wizards Jordan right?
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Post by HMSBaz on Feb 15, 2015 19:50:25 GMT -5
Oasis should have followed Wellers example, split when the going was good, that's why The Jam's legacy is so great, and they'll never reform. If Oasis reform 90% of the setlist will be first three albums....just saying like.
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Post by Sternumman on Feb 15, 2015 19:52:39 GMT -5
I'm a hypocrite. I've said it for a while that I dont want them to reform. However, If they announce tickets I'm sure I'd buy them and I'm sure I'd have a good time. But it will never will have the magic it once had. It's like watching Jordan when he was on the Bulls. We all wanted him to be great but he was a shell of himself. Sometimes its better to have great memories than see your idols when they are old. I'm with you. I'd buy tickets and go but I'd much prefer no reunion happen at all. Solo Noel is surely lovely times. Happy times. Exciting times. BTW...........you mean Wizards Jordan right? DOHHH!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 19:58:10 GMT -5
Yep, Oasis gigs attracted right Neanderthal piss throwing bell ends, certainly in the UK. You had to stand some way back to keep away from that vermin. Spoke to one idiot, admitted to me he was a BNP supporter at the bar and went galavanting off with his idiot mates to some ruckus fight at the front. It only escalated when that ape from Kasabian slouched on stage. And before anyone defends that dirty side to Oasis gigs, that doesn't happen at any other bands gig. Great gigs are meant to be a communal experience, so I've never experienced as much hostility as one from an Oasis gig. Man up, soft lad. There's nothing manly about the BNP. Disgusting party that promotes racism above all.
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Post by glider on Feb 15, 2015 20:00:00 GMT -5
Like I posted earlier, the only reason I would see a reunion is if both Noel and Liam have exhausted their creative potential without working together. I believe that Beady Eye stretched their musical prowess as long as they could with the brains in it and their songwriting strategy. They realized it was a bad move to make their first record a over-indulgent tribute to the Beatles and the post-2000 rockers Oasis made, so hired a top notch producer and made a decent album that worked with mostly acoustic sets. Because of their flawed strategy, I couldn't envision their 3rd album being anything massively amazing.
Noel, on the other hand, is not done yet. Noel played it safe on HFB1, but the production was very sloppy. With Noel in the production chair, he has been able to craft a album that doesn't lose pace and is able to keep an interesting vibe and fast-paced notion.
TL;DR: Sorry to beat the dead horse, but to put it simply: Noel has plenty of creativity left, and in my honest opinion, Liam has little if not none left.
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2015 20:03:07 GMT -5
There's nothing manly about the BNP. Disgusting party that promotes racism above all. Well according to UGHF, to be a REAL man you have to drink loads, get into fights, throw your piss at innocent bystanders, swear a lot and, to top it all off, be a neo-fascist. Reminds me of Alan Partridge trying to impress the film crew - 'ooooh, I'm being a bloke!'
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Post by batfink30 on Feb 15, 2015 20:12:23 GMT -5
Like I posted earlier, the only reason I would see a reunion is if both Noel and Liam have exhausted their creative potential without working together. I believe that Beady Eye stretched their musical prowess as long as they could with the brains in it and their songwriting strategy. They realized it was a bad move to make their first record a over-indulgent tribute to the Beatles and the post-2000 rockers Oasis made, so hired a top notch producer and made a decent album that worked with mostly acoustic sets. Because of their flawed strategy, I couldn't envision their 3rd album being anything massively amazing. Noel, on the other hand, is not done yet. Noel played it safe on HFB1, but the production was very sloppy. With Noel in the production chair, he has been able to craft a album that doesn't lose pace and is able to keep an interesting vibe and fast-paced notion. TL;DR: Sorry to beat the dead horse, but to put it simply: Noel has plenty of creativity left, and in my honest opinion, Liam has little if not none left. Noels musical intelligence really shines through on CY. You can hear he's a music buff and listens to a lot of different music and it comes through on the production, chord changes and melodies. With BE it was "one trick pony" music and there was little or nothing left in the tank. Hopefully he keeps it up as I think when he's being lazy and loses interest (during middle to latter Oasis) he churns out generic crap. I think Noel now wants to be seen as one of the best songwriters of his generation and I think he likes all the adulation and awards he gets, in fact you can see he revels in it. I think this is pushing him (the same as at the start of Oasis) to produce good music.
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Post by glider on Feb 15, 2015 20:14:51 GMT -5
Like I posted earlier, the only reason I would see a reunion is if both Noel and Liam have exhausted their creative potential without working together. I believe that Beady Eye stretched their musical prowess as long as they could with the brains in it and their songwriting strategy. They realized it was a bad move to make their first record a over-indulgent tribute to the Beatles and the post-2000 rockers Oasis made, so hired a top notch producer and made a decent album that worked with mostly acoustic sets. Because of their flawed strategy, I couldn't envision their 3rd album being anything massively amazing. Noel, on the other hand, is not done yet. Noel played it safe on HFB1, but the production was very sloppy. With Noel in the production chair, he has been able to craft a album that doesn't lose pace and is able to keep an interesting vibe and fast-paced notion. TL;DR: Sorry to beat the dead horse, but to put it simply: Noel has plenty of creativity left, and in my honest opinion, Liam has little if not none left. Noels musical intelligence really shines through on CY. You can hear he's a music buff and listens to a lot of different music and it comes through on the production, chord changes and melodies. W ith BE it was "one trick pony" music and there was little or nothing left in the tank. Hopefully he keeps it up as I think when he's being lazy and loses interest (during middle to latter Oasis) he churns out generic crap. I think Noel now wants to be seen as one of the best songwriters of his generation and I think he likes all the adulation and awards he gets, in fact you can see he revels in it. I think this is pushing him (the same as at the start of Oasis) to produce good music. Exactly. They had mediocre tunes at best that would sounds absolutely terrible without great production. You can thank Dave Sitek for that.
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Post by UGHF on Feb 16, 2015 4:47:19 GMT -5
There's nothing manly about the BNP. Disgusting party that promotes racism above all. Well according to UGHF, to be a REAL man you have to drink loads, get into fights, throw your piss at innocent bystanders, swear a lot and, to top it all off, be a neo-fascist. Reminds me of Alan Partridge trying to impress the film crew - 'ooooh, I'm being a bloke!' Where did I say that? I just don't let those kind of people ruin my gig. Simples.
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Post by RocketMan on Feb 16, 2015 5:20:42 GMT -5
I hate that oasis fans, me included, quote the gig in argentina as one of their best. It's all about the crowd at that gig and not the band. And as we all know those south american crowds are mental. Just look at acdcs gig there, it's even better than the oasis one
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Post by Sternumman on Feb 16, 2015 5:21:29 GMT -5
Well according to UGHF, to be a REAL man you have to drink loads, get into fights, throw your piss at innocent bystanders, swear a lot and, to top it all off, be a neo-fascist. Reminds me of Alan Partridge trying to impress the film crew - 'ooooh, I'm being a bloke!' Where did I say that? I just don't let those kind of people ruin my gig. Simples. If you got hit with piss it wouldnt ruin your gig?
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