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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 15, 2015 10:24:48 GMT -5
Some people on here really need to get a grip and move on. Can just imagine some Liam fanboys on here still walking around thinking they are Liam. Grow up. Move on. Says the guy who's calling people fanboys, that's really grown up ain't it? Maybe you need to grow up and accept other people can have an opinion. It's a forum, people are allowed their say without being insulted by you. It's not that. It's the fact that the "Liam fanboys" insult the "Noel fanboys" by pressing their opinion on them and basically say you're nuts for preferring Noels voice. That's what annoys ME. Why can't you like both? Why can't people accept it? And why can't people accept it ended up on CY and not on an Oasis album? |
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Post by tonethestone1 on Feb 15, 2015 10:24:52 GMT -5
The whole argument started when someone expressed his opinion that the track needs Liam's vocal. It's true. Anyone who is objective and not fan of Oasis, would say the same thing. I don't think it's odd that someone who heard the original demo of the song, would think that the track would be better with Liam on vocals. Why is someone trying so hard to defend Noel on this? It's inevitable that someone would bring up this argument, since Noel's putting this song on the album (rightfully so, it's his song after all). Not really. As I've said I agree it would sound great with Liam's 90s vocals. With his more recent voice, I'm not really sure. Four Letter Word, for example, is a good performance by Liam's current standards but very, very far from his golden era. I don't think I'm a Noel fanboy if I say I prefer Noel's voice to that... Agree and no chance even non Oasis fans would ever say they prefer Liam's voice to Noel. Not a chance. |
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Post by tonethestone1 on Feb 15, 2015 10:26:41 GMT -5
Says the guy who's calling people fanboys, that's really grown up ain't it? Maybe you need to grow up and accept other people can have an opinion. It's a forum, people are allowed their say without being insulted by you. It's not that. It's the fact that the "Liam fanboys" insult the "Noel fanboys" by pressing their opinion on them and basically say you're nuts for preferring Noels voice. That's what annoys ME. Why can't you like both? Why can't people accept it? And why can't people accept it ended up on CY and not on an Oasis album? Exactly, this comes up everytime from bored Liam fanboys who are prob sat home crying to Little James. This is Noel's album, it's brilliant, no one cares about Liam at this moment, Oasis are over, Beady Eye are done. |
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Post by carlober on Feb 15, 2015 10:27:02 GMT -5
Not really. As I've said I agree it would sound great with Liam's 90s vocals. With his more recent voice, I'm not really sure. Four Letter Word, for example, is a good performance by Liam's current standards but very, very far from his golden era. I don't think I'm a Noel fanboy if I say I prefer Noel's voice to that... Agree and no chance even non Oasis fans would ever say they prefer Liam's voice to Noel. Not a chance. Come on now, let's be honest. It's Liam's voice which defined Oasis and inspired at least two different generations of fans. At the moment, Noel is the better singer and has got the better voice. But 20 years ago Liam could smash the world. |
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Post by tonethestone1 on Feb 15, 2015 10:29:21 GMT -5
Agree and no chance even non Oasis fans would ever say they prefer Liam's voice to Noel. Not a chance. Come on now, let's be honest. It's Liam's voice which defined Oasis and inspired at least two different generations of fans. At the moment, Noel is the better singer and has got the better voice. But 20 years ago Liam could smash the world. Love Liam's voice, or did back in the day, but even back then people I knew as they are only ones I can recall, preferred Noel's voice, just more mainstream. Obviously Liam's voice from 2000 on went downhill rapidly, especially Live. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 15, 2015 10:33:13 GMT -5
I just think all this shit is really childish.
Oh and just for the record, I'm a big Oasis fan and I love Liam's voice, but I prefer Noel's voice. Don't Look Back In Anger is the song that got me into Oasis. I don't think all songs Noel sang on are better than the ones Liam sang on, but I just like his voice better. Especially now. Liam's voice rapidly went downhill after 2002 and that's not a secret. It may sound decent at times, but it's not 1994 anymore. He can't even complete lines when he sings and that's not just from getting older. Well, I'm not having that. And I feel that people who do, are kidding themselves a bit.
For us it's different. We're used to Liams voice and have heard it change throughout the years. For us he sounds good in 2013, when you compare it to 2008 or whatever. But show a 2013 video to a random stranger and they'll say he sounds bad.
This is not 1994 anymore and some people have to accept that.
He can't hit high notes anymore and he doesn't complete sentences live. And what kind of excuse is "yeah but it's a rock show"? Even if it was heavy metal I wouldn't care. If a singer sounds like shit I'll be disappointed. And I know a lot of other people feel that way.
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Post by tonethestone1 on Feb 15, 2015 10:38:30 GMT -5
It is all childish, fact is Liam fans come on here and can't hack the fact that more people prefer Noel and prefer his voice. Not sure why they even bring it up.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 15, 2015 10:39:55 GMT -5
And what's this shit about "Liam should have sung on this and that"? There's no reason Liam should've sung on anything. Oasis doesn't exist anymore. And Noel wrote the songs. He decides who sings. Why can't people just like or dislike a song without immediately going "oohhh Liam should've sang that"?
I guess people will keep doing that until Noel retires though. Just like asking about an Oasis reunion.
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Post by icebreath on Feb 15, 2015 10:45:34 GMT -5
I just think all this shit is really childish. Oh and just for the record, I'm a big Oasis fan and I love Liam's voice, but I prefer Noel's voice. Don't Look Back In Anger is the song that got me into Oasis. I don't think all songs Noel sang on are better than the ones Liam sang on, but I just like his voice better. Especially now. Liam's voice rapidly went downhill after 2002 and that's not a secret. It may sound decent at times, but it's not 1994 anymore. He can't even complete lines when he sings and that's not just from getting older. Well, I'm not having that. And I feel that people who do, are kidding themselves a bit. For us it's different. We're used to Liams voice and have heard it change throughout the years. For us he sounds good in 2013, when you compare it to 2008 or whatever. But show a 2013 video to a random stranger and they'll say he sounds bad. This is not 1994 anymore and some people have to accept that. He can't hit high notes anymore and he doesn't complete sentences live. And what kind of excuse is "yeah but it's a rock show"? Even if it was heavy metal I wouldn't care. If a singer sounds like shit I'll be disappointed. And I know a lot of other people feel that way. That's what you can never understand. We're talking about studio vocals. Show someone stranger videos with Beady Eye and NGHFB songs, studio not live, and ask him who do you think have more rocking vocals? If you think that the majority will answer Noel, i give up. Lock All The Doors is a rock song and with Liam on vocals would sound better to anyone who is objective. That's the argument. Some people have to respect other's opinions. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 15, 2015 10:51:01 GMT -5
I just think all this shit is really childish. Oh and just for the record, I'm a big Oasis fan and I love Liam's voice, but I prefer Noel's voice. Don't Look Back In Anger is the song that got me into Oasis. I don't think all songs Noel sang on are better than the ones Liam sang on, but I just like his voice better. Especially now. Liam's voice rapidly went downhill after 2002 and that's not a secret. It may sound decent at times, but it's not 1994 anymore. He can't even complete lines when he sings and that's not just from getting older. Well, I'm not having that. And I feel that people who do, are kidding themselves a bit. For us it's different. We're used to Liams voice and have heard it change throughout the years. For us he sounds good in 2013, when you compare it to 2008 or whatever. But show a 2013 video to a random stranger and they'll say he sounds bad. This is not 1994 anymore and some people have to accept that. He can't hit high notes anymore and he doesn't complete sentences live. And what kind of excuse is "yeah but it's a rock show"? Even if it was heavy metal I wouldn't care. If a singer sounds like shit I'll be disappointed. And I know a lot of other people feel that way. That's what you can never understand. We're talking about studio vocals. Show someone stranger videos with Beady Eye and NGHFB songs, studio not live, and ask him who do you think have more rocking vocals? If you think that the majority will answer Noel, i give up. Lock All The Doors is a rock song and with Liam on vocals would sound better to anyone who is objective. That's the argument. Some people have to respect other's opinions. This is what YOU don't understand. I was obviously talking about live. And even about the studio voice I'm not sure. His voice needs a lot of effects to sound "great". I'm not sure if I would prefer that. And who is objective? NO ONE is objective. Music has to do with taste, and taste is not objective. Taste is subjective. Even if you're not a fan. You're talking to me about respecting one's taste? I'm not forcing anyone to like either version better. If you read my post you would have seen that I just shared my preference and that I don't get why it always has to be Liam VS. Noel, and that people should respect other people's opinions. I wasn't the one who said "if you prefer Noel you must have a dick in your ear". I love both versions, and if you don't, well, I couldn't care less why. That's not what my post was about. But I give up. |
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Post by carlober on Feb 15, 2015 10:51:36 GMT -5
Lock All The Doors is a rock song and with Liam on vocals would sound better to anyone who is objective. That's the argument. Some people have to respect other's opinions. I'll quote myself from above  Not really. As I've said I agree it would sound great with Liam's 90s vocals. With his more recent voice, I'm not really sure. Four Letter Word, for example, is a good performance by Liam's current standards but very, very far from his golden era. I don't think I'm a Noel fanboy if I say I prefer Noel's voice to that... |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 15, 2015 10:55:36 GMT -5
Liam would be interesting on vocals. But hey, if you want a Oasis-style upbeat rock song, I think you know where to look - Noel singing one is a much rarer occasion.
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Post by tonethestone1 on Feb 15, 2015 10:59:19 GMT -5
I just think all this shit is really childish. Oh and just for the record, I'm a big Oasis fan and I love Liam's voice, but I prefer Noel's voice. Don't Look Back In Anger is the song that got me into Oasis. I don't think all songs Noel sang on are better than the ones Liam sang on, but I just like his voice better. Especially now. Liam's voice rapidly went downhill after 2002 and that's not a secret. It may sound decent at times, but it's not 1994 anymore. He can't even complete lines when he sings and that's not just from getting older. Well, I'm not having that. And I feel that people who do, are kidding themselves a bit. For us it's different. We're used to Liams voice and have heard it change throughout the years. For us he sounds good in 2013, when you compare it to 2008 or whatever. But show a 2013 video to a random stranger and they'll say he sounds bad. This is not 1994 anymore and some people have to accept that. He can't hit high notes anymore and he doesn't complete sentences live. And what kind of excuse is "yeah but it's a rock show"? Even if it was heavy metal I wouldn't care. If a singer sounds like shit I'll be disappointed. And I know a lot of other people feel that way. That's what you can never understand. We're talking about studio vocals. Show someone stranger videos with Beady Eye and NGHFB songs, studio not live, and ask him who do you think have more rocking vocals? If you think that the majority will answer Noel, i give up. Lock All The Doors is a rock song and with Liam on vocals would sound better to anyone who is objective. That's the argument. Some people have to respect other's opinions. But you are giving other people's opinion as your own, you don't know that, yet you state you do. Should respect people have own opinions and may not share yours. |
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Post by headshrinker84 on Feb 15, 2015 11:00:35 GMT -5
I think Noel's vocals are great on the chorus and better than what Liam could have done imo.
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Post by tonethestone1 on Feb 15, 2015 11:02:05 GMT -5
It's simple, Liam fans have got all shirty because Noel has done a belting album, and confirms fact that Noel doesn't need Oasis. Liam does. Who cares who sounds better, everyone has own opinion on that, if you want DM sounding rock song with Liam on vocals listen to DM. The rest of us have grown up and moved on and enjoying the new great Noel album.
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Post by icebreath on Feb 15, 2015 11:06:47 GMT -5
Liam would be interesting on vocals. But hey, if you want a Oasis-style upbeat rock song, I think you know where to look - Noel singing one is a much rarer occasion. That's what Oasis community has become. Noel vs Liam. I find it difficult to believe that anyone who is an Oasis fan would find Noel's voice to fit more in upbeat rock song. I am an Oasis fan not Noel's or Liam's. Music is subjective but when you grow up listening to Liam's aggressive vocals on Noel's penned tunes, you would think that Liam is the right person for this job. If someone prefers this to this I don't want to live on this planet anymore... |
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Post by carryusall on Feb 15, 2015 11:14:25 GMT -5
I think they both have great voices. Noel's voice has the capability to be every bit as intense as Liam's, in a different way. Usually on the slower, more acoustic songs he has the ache in his voice that hits me just as hard as Liam's snarl.
But at times on this album, Noel sounds a bit strained. I didn't feel that way about his vocals on the first album. But I think he sings this song brilliantly. This turned out better than I dared hope
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Post by tonethestone1 on Feb 15, 2015 11:17:46 GMT -5
Anyway... Lock All The Doors is a great song, cracking album track. Well done Noel!
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Post by carlober on Feb 15, 2015 11:34:01 GMT -5
icebreath, I guess everybody on here would prefer the Manchester 2005 live version to the demo (which, to be fair, is one of the worst demos sung by Noel in my opinion). I'm not trying to turn this into another Liam VS Noel thread (dear God, we've got enough of that shit!), but give me any Noel performance of any song (which does or doesn't fit his voice) over this: (now, to be honest this is a shockingly bad performance and usually he's done much better)
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Post by icebreath on Feb 15, 2015 11:50:32 GMT -5
Hahahaha The Campo de Polo video again in the discussion. My opinion on this one, is that this a shocking appearance and thank god we have many other good gigs that undo this horrific performance. Liam's voice is inconsistent live. In the studio he is incredible.
Lyla is an upbeat rock song and Lock All The Doors is too. Lyla is better with Liam on vocals. Lock All The Doors would sound better with Liam on vocals. I think it's that simple. Why you're trying to complicate things?
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Post by carlober on Feb 15, 2015 11:58:23 GMT -5
Hahahaha The Campo de Polo video again in the discussion. My opinion on this one, is that this a shocking appearance and thank god we have many other good gigs that undo this horrific performance. Liam's voice is inconsistent live. In the studio he is incredible. Lyla is an upbeat rock song and Lock All The Doors is too. Lyla is better with Liam on vocals. Lock All The Doors would sound better with Liam on vocals. I think it's that simple. Why you're trying to complicate things?I'm not trying to complicate things. I just disagree (partially). In my opinion Lock All the Doors would sound great with Liam's '94-'00 studio vocals. I'm not a fan of many of his studio vocals after SOTSOG: he sounds very good in some tracks, but quite poor and nasal in others. Speaking of recent upbeat rock songs, I don't like his performance in Four Letter Word. Still good but miles away from his best... I don't think it's a crime to prefer Noel's voice (both live and studio) in the recent years. It looks like it is forbidden to say this, though... |
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Post by LlAM on Feb 15, 2015 12:09:08 GMT -5
This is Liams only chance of singing Lock All The Doors:  |
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Post by tonethestone1 on Feb 15, 2015 12:10:50 GMT -5
Hahahaha The Campo de Polo video again in the discussion. My opinion on this one, is that this a shocking appearance and thank god we have many other good gigs that undo this horrific performance. Liam's voice is inconsistent live. In the studio he is incredible. Lyla is an upbeat rock song and Lock All The Doors is too. Lyla is better with Liam on vocals. Lock All The Doors would sound better with Liam on vocals. I think it's that simple. Why you're trying to complicate things? In your opinion. Others think different. Live with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 12:11:04 GMT -5
Can everybody just fuckin' calm down?
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Post by icebreath on Feb 15, 2015 12:46:27 GMT -5
Hahahaha The Campo de Polo video again in the discussion. My opinion on this one, is that this a shocking appearance and thank god we have many other good gigs that undo this horrific performance. Liam's voice is inconsistent live. In the studio he is incredible. Lyla is an upbeat rock song and Lock All The Doors is too. Lyla is better with Liam on vocals. Lock All The Doors would sound better with Liam on vocals. I think it's that simple. Why you're trying to complicate things?I'm not trying to complicate things. I just disagree (partially). In my opinion Lock All the Doors would sound great with Liam's '94-'00 studio vocals. I'm not a fan of many of his studio vocals after SOTSOG: he sounds very good in some tracks, but quite poor and nasal in others. Speaking of recent upbeat rock songs, I don't like his performance in Four Letter Word. Still good but miles away from his best... I don't think it's a crime to prefer Noel's voice (both live and studio) in the recent years. It looks like it is forbidden to say this, though... If you take this performance (seriously just listen to the passionate and aggressive vocals) you still think, that he wouln't nail Lock All The Doors with his current voice? I'm not trying to force my opinion to you, i'm just trying to understand why anyone would think that he wouldn't sing it better than Noel. |
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