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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 25, 2014 19:38:37 GMT -5
Personally there is a lot to enjoy on that 10 track album. Imagine Jealous Guy Gimme Some Truth Oh My Love How Do You Sleep?How? Oh Yoko!I also like how Alan White traveled back in time (A power Liam and Noel never harnessed) to be apart of this album.  Merry Christmas!!!!!  Not a real big fan of either of those tracks, one is sanctimonious and the other is the usual Yoko garb. Probably why I find it spotty. Great scene in the film Rushmore of Bill Murray and Jason Schwartzman riding bikes together amongst other things to "Oh Yoko!". |
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Post by Headmaster on Dec 25, 2014 20:28:52 GMT -5
About Sgt Peppers, yeah Paul was the driving force behind it, it is a great album, but also it's a bit overrated, if both Penny Lane or Strawberry Fields were on it it could have been their masterpiece with no contest.
Who likes The Beatles use to say that Sgt Peppers is their best album, but who really knows them tells a different story, and they say Revolver is their best, an album where John was the driving force behind.
I like them both, Paul is a better melodicist, and John's songs resonates better, on The Beatles they pushed each other to their limits of music and sound, to put an end to this draw I think John's solo carerr fared better than Paul's, as I've explained before why.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 25, 2014 20:53:43 GMT -5
About Sgt Peppers, yeah Paul was the driving force behind it, it is a great album, but also it's a bit overrated, if both Penny Lane or Strawberry Fields were on it it could have been their masterpiece with no contest. Who likes The Beatles use to say that Sgt Peppers is their best album, but who really knows them tells a different story, and they say Revolver is their best, an album where John was the driving force behind. I like them both, Paul is a better melodicist, and John's songs resonates better, on The Beatles they pushed each other to their limits of music and sound, to put an end to this draw I think John's solo carerr fared better than Paul's, as I've explained before why. People say Pepper is their most "cohesive" album but I never personally bought into that nonsense. Sure it sounds magnificent, especially compared to all over music in 1967 or prior but John, George and Ringo hated making it. John and George's songs have nothing to so with Sgt Peppers band. This was the beginning of the band drifting apart. Brilliant music was being made but at the cost of being a "Beatle". Paul drove the bus on this effort no doubt so it's hard for me to call it their most complete work. I'd vote Rubber Soul. The Beatles were on FIRE during those recording sessions. Merry Christmas!!!!!! |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 25, 2014 22:14:08 GMT -5
About Sgt Peppers, yeah Paul was the driving force behind it, it is a great album, but also it's a bit overrated, if both Penny Lane or Strawberry Fields were on it it could have been their masterpiece with no contest. Who likes The Beatles use to say that Sgt Peppers is their best album, but who really knows them tells a different story, and they say Revolver is their best, an album where John was the driving force behind. I like them both, Paul is a better melodicist, and John's songs resonates better, on The Beatles they pushed each other to their limits of music and sound, to put an end to this draw I think John's solo carerr fared better than Paul's, as I've explained before why. Yet, one could make the argument that Paul also came up for the concept of the magical mystery tour, the album where both Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields appear. Which I think of the post 66 Beatles John's most iconic work appears along with Paul putting in Hey Jude. Paul created the concept behind Sgt Pepper, Magic Mystery Tour, and the original idea for Let it Be. While also doing, I think, some of his best work on Abbey Road. Abbey Road being another album that was another genisis of Paul wanting to make one more album how they used to do it. Paul"s influence on the band post 66 cannot be understated. |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 25, 2014 22:21:57 GMT -5
About Sgt Peppers, yeah Paul was the driving force behind it, it is a great album, but also it's a bit overrated, if both Penny Lane or Strawberry Fields were on it it could have been their masterpiece with no contest. Who likes The Beatles use to say that Sgt Peppers is their best album, but who really knows them tells a different story, and they say Revolver is their best, an album where John was the driving force behind. I like them both, Paul is a better melodicist, and John's songs resonates better, on The Beatles they pushed each other to their limits of music and sound, to put an end to this draw I think John's solo carerr fared better than Paul's, as I've explained before why. People say Pepper is their most "cohesive" album but I never personally bought into that nonsense. Sure it sounds magnificent, especially compared to all over music in 1967 or prior but John, George and Ringo hated making it. John and George's songs have nothing to so with Sgt Peppers band. This was the beginning of the band drifting apart. Brilliant music was being made but at the cost of being a "Beatle". Paul drove the bus on this effort no doubt so it's hard for me to call it their most complete work. I'd vote Rubber Soul. The Beatles were on FIRE during those recording sessions. Merry Christmas!!!!!! You could make the case that the band hated making just about every album post and including Sgt Pepper If I remember correctly, and I haven't watched it for sometime, but in the anthology a few people made the case that Paul kept the band together a lot longer than it should have been through thinking up projects like Sgt Pepper, Magical Mystery Tour, Let it Be. The band had been drifting apart really since Rubber Soul actually. I think that's when they really began to form their own interests and cliques. Sgt Pepper is just the realization of it. A band attempting to be a band only in character and name pretty much summed them up at the time. Paul was just keeping the embers burning for the inevitable fall. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 25, 2014 22:22:59 GMT -5
About Sgt Peppers, yeah Paul was the driving force behind it, it is a great album, but also it's a bit overrated, if both Penny Lane or Strawberry Fields were on it it could have been their masterpiece with no contest. Who likes The Beatles use to say that Sgt Peppers is their best album, but who really knows them tells a different story, and they say Revolver is their best, an album where John was the driving force behind. I like them both, Paul is a better melodicist, and John's songs resonates better, on The Beatles they pushed each other to their limits of music and sound, to put an end to this draw I think John's solo carerr fared better than Paul's, as I've explained before why. Yet, one could make the argument that Paul also came up for the concept of the magical mystery tour, the album where both Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields appear. Which I think of the post 66 Beatles John's most iconic work appears along with Paul putting in Hey Jude. Paul created the concept behind Sgt Pepper, Magic Mystery Tour, and the original idea for Let it Be. While also doing, I think, some of his best work on Abbey Road. Abbey Road being another album that was another genisis of Paul wanting to make one more album how they used to do it. Paul"s influence on the band post 66 cannot be understated. Pepper was a home run idea from Paul. Pulled off extremely well. Magical Mystery the film and original Let It Be live album to tape were a disaster. Let It Be eventually was saved by Phil Specter but boy did it fall short of Paul's initial idea. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 25, 2014 22:25:14 GMT -5
People say Pepper is their most "cohesive" album but I never personally bought into that nonsense. Sure it sounds magnificent, especially compared to all over music in 1967 or prior but John, George and Ringo hated making it. John and George's songs have nothing to so with Sgt Peppers band. This was the beginning of the band drifting apart. Brilliant music was being made but at the cost of being a "Beatle". Paul drove the bus on this effort no doubt so it's hard for me to call it their most complete work. I'd vote Rubber Soul. The Beatles were on FIRE during those recording sessions. Merry Christmas!!!!!! You could make the case that the band hated making just about every album post and including Sgt Pepper If I remember correctly, and I haven't watched it for sometime, but in the anthology a few people made the case that Paul kept the band together a lot longer than it should have been through thinking up projects like Sgt Pepper, Magical Mystery Tour, Let it Be. The band had been drifting apart really since Rubber Soul actually. I think that's when they really began to form their own interests and cliques. Sgt Pepper is just the realization of it. A band attempting to be a band only in character and name pretty much summed them up at the time. Paul was just keeping the embers burning for the inevitable fall. I know from the Anthology that John, George and Ringo all loved making the "White Album" because of the back to basics feel. Granted it feels like John and a side group. George and a side group but whatever. Great material. I believe Paul enjoyed that time period a lot in the studio as well. |
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 25, 2014 22:38:17 GMT -5
Note how that Metallica director said "Oasis" haha. That was Lars the drummer not the director. |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 25, 2014 23:02:55 GMT -5
Yet, one could make the argument that Paul also came up for the concept of the magical mystery tour, the album where both Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields appear. Which I think of the post 66 Beatles John's most iconic work appears along with Paul putting in Hey Jude. Paul created the concept behind Sgt Pepper, Magic Mystery Tour, and the original idea for Let it Be. While also doing, I think, some of his best work on Abbey Road. Abbey Road being another album that was another genisis of Paul wanting to make one more album how they used to do it. Paul"s influence on the band post 66 cannot be understated. Pepper was a home run idea from Paul. Pulled off extremely well. Magical Mystery the film and original Let It Be live album to tape were a disaster. Let It Be eventually was saved by Phil Specter but boy did it fall short of Paul's initial idea. I prefer Let it Be naked to Spector's work. A lot of it is clichéd use of layers and strings that just doesn't match the composition of the material. Let it Be should have been a stripped down affair, Spector's work makes it bigger, but not better. I believe it dilutes a lot of what's great about that album. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 25, 2014 23:47:10 GMT -5
Pepper was a home run idea from Paul. Pulled off extremely well. Magical Mystery the film and original Let It Be live album to tape were a disaster. Let It Be eventually was saved by Phil Specter but boy did it fall short of Paul's initial idea. I prefer Let it Be naked to Spector's work. A lot of it is clichéd use of layers and strings that just doesn't match the composition of the material. Let it Be should have been a stripped down affair, Spector's work makes it bigger, but not better. I believe it dilutes a lot of what's great about that album. Well I mostly meant saved it In the sense that it got released so fast at all. Could have sat in a vault for years. Instead it was shelved for a year. Lennon commended Phil for coming up with "something" from a pile of shit. I liked Paul's original idea but it fell far short of that. |
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Post by World71R on Dec 26, 2014 1:07:25 GMT -5
Pepper was a home run idea from Paul. Pulled off extremely well. Magical Mystery the film and original Let It Be live album to tape were a disaster. Let It Be eventually was saved by Phil Specter but boy did it fall short of Paul's initial idea. I prefer Let it Be naked to Spector's work. A lot of it is clichéd use of layers and strings that just doesn't match the composition of the material. Let it Be should have been a stripped down affair, Spector's work makes it bigger, but not better. I believe it dilutes a lot of what's great about that album.That sounds a whole hell of a lot like Be Here Now. Both albums had wonderful songs, but one was fueled by coke, while the other by animosity that had been brewing over the years. (Good thread btw! I'm learning a shit ton about The Beatles just from these three pages of posts lol) |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 26, 2014 3:55:31 GMT -5
Note how that Metallica director said "Oasis" haha. That was Lars the drummer not the director. Whoops you're right, the director said Ringo. I had watched this film before and probably remembered it wrong. I have seen Metallica live so I obviously know what Lars Ulrich looks like. Oops. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 26, 2014 4:02:01 GMT -5
sorry to interrupt the discussion, but did they interview noel or liam for this? Cant be arsed to watch the whole thing. Btw, Mccartney, for me Nope, they did interview "Oasis" but it's Gem who answers. |
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Post by matt on Dec 26, 2014 12:38:00 GMT -5
About Sgt Peppers, yeah Paul was the driving force behind it, it is a great album, but also it's a bit overrated, if both Penny Lane or Strawberry Fields were on it it could have been their masterpiece with no contest. Who likes The Beatles use to say that Sgt Peppers is their best album, but who really knows them tells a different story, and they say Revolver is their best, an album where John was the driving force behind. I like them both, Paul is a better melodicist, and John's songs resonates better, on The Beatles they pushed each other to their limits of music and sound, to put an end to this draw I think John's solo carerr fared better than Paul's, as I've explained before why. Well, it's a matter of opinion for Beatles fans as to which one album is their best, so I don't know how you can say 'the ones who most like The Beatles say Revolver' considering how subjective this argument has always been (besides, Paul features heavily on the arguably the two best songs - Eleanor Rigby and Tomorrow Never Knows). Whatever anyone's opinion of Sgt Pepper, there is no getting away from the fact that the album is a major milestone in music. And we have Paul to thank for that. Also, while John was off making bollocks like Two Virgins with Yoko, Paul was steadying the ship and Abbey Road would have been a complete mess without Paul and George Martin taking hold of it. John was off his head at the time and god only knows what mess The Beatles would have been stewing in if he had bossed about instead of Paul. I cannot understand how anyone thinks Lennon is far superior while seemingly oblivious to Paul's major impact, particularly towards the end. And if Let It Be wasn't what Paul had in mind, well where was Lennon's output and ideas then? Him and Harrison were big fans of Spector, but from what I hear, Spector's production was saccharine and overproduced nonsense and McCartney was right to be appalled at Spector. At least Paul had plans and big ideas for the band towards the last few years which more often than not contributed greatly to their legacy rather than hinder. |
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Post by matt on Dec 26, 2014 12:44:58 GMT -5
Pepper was a home run idea from Paul. Pulled off extremely well. Magical Mystery the film and original Let It Be live album to tape were a disaster. Let It Be eventually was saved by Phil Specter but boy did it fall short of Paul's initial idea. I prefer Let it Be naked to Spector's work. A lot of it is clichéd use of layers and strings that just doesn't match the composition of the material. Let it Be should have been a stripped down affair, Spector's work makes it bigger, but not better. I believe it dilutes a lot of what's great about that album. Long & Winding Road is miles better on '...Naked', Spector ripped the heart and soul from McCartney's song. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 26, 2014 12:59:56 GMT -5
About Sgt Peppers, yeah Paul was the driving force behind it, it is a great album, but also it's a bit overrated, if both Penny Lane or Strawberry Fields were on it it could have been their masterpiece with no contest. Who likes The Beatles use to say that Sgt Peppers is their best album, but who really knows them tells a different story, and they say Revolver is their best, an album where John was the driving force behind. I like them both, Paul is a better melodicist, and John's songs resonates better, on The Beatles they pushed each other to their limits of music and sound, to put an end to this draw I think John's solo carerr fared better than Paul's, as I've explained before why. Well, it's a matter of opinion for Beatles fans as to which one album is their best, so I don't know how you can say 'the ones who most like The Beatles say Revolver' considering how subjective this argument has always been (besides, Paul features heavily on the arguably the two best songs - Eleanor Rigby and Tomorrow Never Knows). Whatever anyone's opinion of Sgt Pepper, there is no getting away from the fact that the album is a major milestone in music. And we have Paul to thank for that. Also, while John was off making bollocks like Two Virgins with Yoko, Paul was steadying the ship and Abbey Road would have been a complete mess without Paul and George Martin taking hold of it. John was off his head at the time and god only knows what mess The Beatles would have been stewing in if he had bossed about instead of Paul. I cannot understand how anyone thinks Lennon is far superior while seemingly oblivious to Paul's major impact, particularly towards the end. And if Let It Be wasn't what Paul had in mind, well where was Lennon's output and ideas then? Him and Harrison were big fans of Spector, but from what I hear, Spector's production was saccharine and overproduced nonsense and McCartney was right to be appalled at Spector. At least Paul had plans and big ideas for the band towards the last few years which more often than not contributed greatly to their legacy rather than hinder. Let It Be era? Johnny was too busy cooking up these bad boys....... - Don't Let Me Down - The Ballad of John and Yoko - Dig A Pony - Dig It (8 minute version) - Come Together - I Want You - Because - Mean Mr. Mustard - Polythene Pam - Give Peace A Chance - Cold Turkey And that's coming off 1968 when he wrote these........ - Across The Universe - Hey Bulldog - Revolution - Dear Prudence - Glass Onion - The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill - Julia - Happiness Is A Warm Gun - I'm So Tired - Yer Blues - Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except For Me and My Monkey - Sexy Sadie - Cry Baby Cry |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 26, 2014 13:01:04 GMT -5
I prefer Let it Be naked to Spector's work. A lot of it is clichéd use of layers and strings that just doesn't match the composition of the material. Let it Be should have been a stripped down affair, Spector's work makes it bigger, but not better. I believe it dilutes a lot of what's great about that album. Long & Winding Road is miles better on '...Naked', Spector ripped the heart and soul from McCartney's song. Maybe Paul should have spoke up and stopped it then. Oh wait, he decided to make a big announcement, quit the Beatles and release a solo album instead. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 13:15:58 GMT -5
Long & Winding Road is miles better on '...Naked', Spector ripped the heart and soul from McCartney's song. Maybe Paul should have spoke up and stopped it then. Oh wait, he decided to make a big announcement, quit the Beatles and release a solo album instead. It still amazes me and i know you said this once before and loved fact you knew it ....but so many people my age and older still think John quit the BEATLES first and hated Yoko for it ...... There are so many reasons to not like her , she did interfere , but it always amazed me how so many forget paul quit the BEATLES first ,... There all great albums I prefer revolver , but really can't quibble if others mention peppers , rubber soul white album |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 26, 2014 13:24:50 GMT -5
Long & Winding Road is miles better on '...Naked', Spector ripped the heart and soul from McCartney's song. Maybe Paul should have spoke up and stopped it then. Oh wait, he decided to make a big announcement, quit the Beatles and release a solo album instead. Beatles had already broken up by the time Spector came on. McCartney appealed to their manager Allen Klien to stop the release of the Long and Winding Road but was ignored. He also sued the Beatles and Klien over it and lost the suit. So I don't know what else you expect him to do. Spector went on that album, an album where he was only supposed to work on John's tracks, yet somehow was able to work on Paul's tracks on secret replacing and overdubbing parts of Paul's songs. John defended Spector for a few years after that. Another moment that contributed to their rift. |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 26, 2014 14:05:08 GMT -5
Toward the end John was the worst judge of the people around him. From Yoko interfering, to him having full trust in Spector up until Spector pulled a gun on him while recording Imagine, to him bringing in that crook Allen Klien.
All three moves Paul vehemently disagreed over, especially the hiring of Klien as manager. Paul was the only Beatle not to sign the contract.
John as a person with a strong judgment of character had completely deteriorated by the end.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 26, 2014 14:19:55 GMT -5
Toward the end John was the worst judge of the people around him. From Yoko interfering, to him having full trust in Spector up until Spector pulled a gun on him while recording Imagine, to him bringing in that crook Allen Klien. All three moves Paul vehemently disagreed over, especially the hiring of Klien as manager. Paul was the only Beatle not to sign the contract. John as a person with a strong judgment of character had completely deteriorated by the end. I might be wring but I'm pretty sure Klein made the Beatles and Stones a shit ton of money with good record deals. Sure he was a pain to deal with but he did make money for artists. Brian Epstein on sadly made a lot of mistake and gave away 90% of their merchandise sales. Not sure if he had a hand in Northern Soul publishing. EDIT: You know what.....after brushing up on Allan, maybe he was only really good at making HIMSELF money. Oops. |
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Post by Ebby Calvin 'Nuke' LaLoosh on Dec 26, 2014 15:27:36 GMT -5
Paul was the Walrus...
Goo goo g' joob.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 26, 2014 15:37:30 GMT -5
Maybe Paul should have spoke up and stopped it then. Oh wait, he decided to make a big announcement, quit the Beatles and release a solo album instead. It still amazes me and i know you said this once before and loved fact you knew it ....but so many people my age and older still think John quit the BEATLES first and hated Yoko for it ...... There are so many reasons to not like her , she did interfere , but it always amazed me how so many forget paul quit the BEATLES first ,... There all great albums I prefer revolver , but really can't quibble if others mention peppers , rubber soul white album I think a lot of people fall for Macca's false sweetness. I'm pretty sure he's an absolute c**t when he wants to be. Did you know for example, Lennon and Macca's feuding has been said to have originated when Lennon and Yoko stayed at Macca's house for awhile during recording for the White Album, and a note was sent anonymously to Lennon, that said: "you and your jap tart think you're hot shit". The note was from McCartney. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 26, 2014 16:50:33 GMT -5
Lennon was Tom Brady. McCartney was Peyton Manning.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 16:53:41 GMT -5
Lennon was Tom Brady. McCartney was Peyton Manning. Terry Bradshaw would make a great ringo  . Think about it  . Comic relief but brilliant |
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