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Post by allingoodtime on Dec 23, 2014 6:53:48 GMT -5
It's good to hear a few mentioning Harrison
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 23, 2014 7:57:05 GMT -5
I was convinced Gem would say McCartney.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 8:27:04 GMT -5
i don't know why but i found this an utterly compelling (yet pointless) video.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 8:51:10 GMT -5
i don't know why but i found this an utterly compelling (yet pointless) video. Same here. fascinating but pointless. Went the way I thought cause John was even before he died the most revered BEATLE. WOULDA been my choice. But it's apples and oranges as one of the musicians said |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 23, 2014 10:29:09 GMT -5
Note how that Metallica director said "Oasis" haha.
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 23, 2014 11:15:05 GMT -5
It's cool to be in this company  |
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Post by allingoodtime on Dec 23, 2014 12:42:04 GMT -5
Note how that Metallica director said "Oasis" haha. haha at what time did he say that? |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 23, 2014 13:40:07 GMT -5
Shows how much Lennon has been deified as a songwriter.
I think the better songwriter is McCartney. Lennon is good, but his solo career was hit or miss with really only a few standout tracks. Post- 66 McCartney was the driving force behind the Beatles. Post-66 I think Lennon was actually the third best songwriter in the Beatles behind Harrison and McCartney. Plus, I believe McCartney's peak songs, so his very best, are better than Lennon's very best.
It's become a cool and trendy to vote for Lennon because of his deified image rather than the on his own merits. Just as it's become cool and trendy to downplay McCartney, mainly because he's been around longer and has made himself into a living brand and I believe his commercialism comes off as hollow to this new hipster generation. However, I believe as a pure songwriter, McCartney over Lennon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 13:47:30 GMT -5
Shows how much Lennon has been deified as a songwriter. It's become a cool and trendy to vote for Lennon because of his deified image rather than the on his own merits. Just as it's become cool and trendy to downplay McCartney, mainly because he's been around longer and has made himself into a living brand and I believe his commercialism comes off as hollow to this new hipster generation. However, I believe as a pure songwriter, McCartney over Lennon. Im only highlighting this portion because it's part im commenting ...first though I agree with you , and agree about the post 1966 stuff my best friend who is the ultimate BEATLE historian and musician who's won at beatlefest and placed in top 3 nationwide now. Agrees with that as well ( though we both prefer John ) But honestly I know you weren't around then but I was and in the 70 s and 80 s it was always cool and trendy to be a John supporter , even before he died take 77-80 paul doing great with wings people ( The people in Washington park ,greenwich villiage , ect ect ) always supported John ....in death this grew , but in fairness it's not just this new hipster generation , it's been thst way as long as I go back and that's long ....sadly ....... but as I said I agree with your take about post 66 |
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 23, 2014 14:35:05 GMT -5
I have no idea what are you talking about. Post 66? John Lennon 1966-1969, that is the most inspiring time not in history of music but for me in history of all arts.
A Day In The Life
Strawberry Fields Forever
Tomorrow Never Knows
All You Need Is Love
I Am the Walrus
Come Together
Across The Universe
Don't Let Me Down
Dear Prudence
Give Peace A Chance
Sexy Sadie
I'm So Tired
Instant Karma!
Jealous Guy
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
Revolution
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!
Cry Baby Cry
Cold Turkey
Because
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I mean, he basically wrote one life changing every month. Today you write Strawberry Field and next month All You Need Is Love. I would give everything that any of those songs are mine and i could build my whole career on that song.
Yesterday i was in H&M store and they played Happy Xmas (War Is Over). Somehow i've never heard that song before. And it was so above everything played before that song. Not just because its Lennon, i didnt realise that is Lennon for minute and from first second i thought, this is great.
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 23, 2014 14:41:47 GMT -5
I forgot I Want You (She's So Heavy), Happiness Is a Warm Gun, I'm Only Sleeping. I mean, that just proves my point.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 23, 2014 14:54:15 GMT -5
Shows how much Lennon has been deified as a songwriter. I think the better songwriter is McCartney. Lennon is good, but his solo career was hit or miss with really only a few standout tracks. Post- 66 McCartney was the driving force behind the Beatles. Post-66 I think Lennon was actually the third best songwriter in the Beatles behind Harrison and McCartney. Plus, I believe McCartney's peak songs, so his very best, are better than Lennon's very best. It's become a cool and trendy to vote for Lennon because of his deified image rather than the on his own merits. Just as it's become cool and trendy to downplay McCartney, mainly because he's been around longer and has made himself into a living brand and I believe his commercialism comes off as hollow to this new hipster generation. However, I believe as a pure songwriter, McCartney over Lennon. We're all entitled to our opinions of course, as the video above perfectly demonstrates, but "post-66 I think Lennon was actually the third better songwriter in the Beatles"?... I'm sorry but that's a load of old cobblers... Sure, Lennon's was nowhere near as prolific or consistent as he was pre-'66, (probably due in part to slipping into heroin addiction and also his mounting resentment/jealousy at McCartney's increasing role) so I totally get why you would say you favour Macca's post-'66 output to Lennon's, even if I don't agree myself But Harrison? Something and Guitar Gently Weeps are some of the Beatles' most impressive work for me, no doubt, but they're just two songs. And sure, Here Comes The Sun is a classic and Long, Long, Long and Savoy Truffle work well on the White Album. Then you have a few other tunes dotted about like I Me Mine and Old Brown Shoe, but they're not really anything all that special as far as I can see. I assume when you talk about about Macca being the driving force post-'66, that you're referencing Sgt Pepper here, as for me on that album, Macca's ascendancy has always been most apparent. Sure, Lennon only brought very little to that compared to McCartney, but you've still got Strawberry Fields, Lucy In The Sky and A Day In The Life - three Beatles classics in their own right. Harrison brought even less, both in terms of numbers and quality, with just his one sole contribution, a tune that threatens, and very nearly succeeds, to stop the album dead. To avoid more tedious rambling, I just ask how you can compare Lennon with Harrison, when Lennon contributed at least close to half an albums worth of material every year, right until the end, and Harrison (whether he wanted to or not) was responsible for just the odd tune dotted about?... |
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Post by scott1 on Dec 23, 2014 16:50:19 GMT -5
Lennon for me, definitely. Don't get me wrong, Paul has written some incredible songs and continues to put out solid material to this day, but John just has that edge that I can't quite put my finger on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 16:58:08 GMT -5
Lennon for me, definitely. Don't get me wrong, Paul has written some incredible songs and continues to put out solid material to this day, but John just has that edge that I can't quite put my finger on. Hey man good to see u ! I feel same , I mean MACCA wrote the songs you whistle to and sing in a pub , I seem to remember a movie years ago where brian Epstein explained this to John ( birth of the BEATLES maybe ? Im no BEATLE freak like my best friend is ) I know paul wrote some deep stuff as well , But as yu say John's were edgier , or as I think ANGRIER , RAWER , macca has more quantity , I prefer John for the reason you just said |
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Post by scott1 on Dec 23, 2014 17:08:15 GMT -5
Hey man good to see u ! I feel same , I mean MACCA wrote the songs you whistle to and sing in a pub , I seem to remember a movie years ago where brian Epstein explained this to John ( birth of the BEATLES maybe ? Im no BEATLE freak like my best friend is ) I know paul wrote some deep stuff as well , But as yu say John's were edgier , or as I think ANGRIER , RAWER , macca has more quantity , I prefer John for the reason you just said You too kalas, I haven't had chance to post much recently! I do agree with the idea that a lot of people prefer John simply because of the image associated with him, but I find that if you ignore all the quotes of his you see on the Internet and ignore the sensationalism of some of his work following his death, he did write a lot more songs that I really connected with. It's such a tough choice, I have loads of respect for Paul as an artist and love a lot of his songs, but John wrote more of the songs that I keep on coming back to. |
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Post by beentherenow on Dec 24, 2014 5:09:22 GMT -5
I love both but I think Lennon gets unfairly pushed ahead of McCartney (and I really don't mean to be controversial) because he'll be 'forever young'. Most of the people in that video weren't even born when Lennon died, so to them he's legend.
Whereas McCartney's that fella who you can still see tour every now and again and still releases new music (also appears every now and again warbling though Hey Jude at the end of most landmark occasions, so it's not as cool to pick him.
They're the two greatest songwriters of all time who just happened to be in the same band (quite remarkable really especially when you factor Harrison in as well!). I know it's only a bit of fun but I don't like 'this or that' questions because I like both. The whole Blur v Oasis thing pissed me off as well because I liked both.
If you did a Beatles best of with one disk of McCartney and one disk of Lennon, it'd be pretty even
edit: In fact that got me thinking and off the top of my head in 20 mins did the below (I know there's cross over by I'm sure the songs are mainly credited to each songwriter)
I think it's pretty even and I know I'm missing great songs from both but as I say it's off the top of my head
Lennon
1. A Hard Day’s Night
2. I Feel Fine
3. Ticket To Ride
4. Help
5. All You Need Is Love
6. Come Together
7. You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away
8. Norwegian Wood
9. She Said She Said
10. Tomorrow Never Knows
11. And Your Bird Can Sing
12. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
13. In My Life
14. Strawberry Fields Forever
15. Dear Prudence
16. Revolution
17. I Want You (She’s So Heavy)
18. Across The Universe
19. I Am The Walrus
20. Day In The Life
McCartney
1. Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Heart Club Band
2. Can’t Buy Me Love
3. Yesterday
4. Paperback Writer
5. Penny Lane
6. Hello Goodbye
7. For No One
8. Get Back
9. Drive My Car
10. Here, There and Everywhere
11. Eleanor Rigby
12. Getting Better
13. Back In The USSR
14. Blackbird
15. Helter Skelter
16. Oh Darling
17. Eight Days A Week
18. Let It Be
19. I Saw Her Standing There
20. Hey Jude
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 24, 2014 8:26:32 GMT -5
Harrison is very underrated as a songwriter. He was only allowed to contribute one or 2 songs per album. It wasn't his choice. Look at All Things Must Pass, his first solo album. There are some great songs on there. And while they're no Something, WMGGW or Here Comes The Sun, a lot of it is still great.
That had to be said.
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Post by Let It🩸 on Dec 24, 2014 8:38:29 GMT -5
Paul writes a lot of silly love songs; I prefer John.
God bless.
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Post by lamboasis on Dec 24, 2014 9:19:34 GMT -5
I Love Paul.
These are my favorite songs by The Beatles wrote either by Paul or Lennon:
All My Loving - Macca
Ticket to Ride - Lennon/Macca
Yesterday - Macca
Drive my Car - Macca
Eleanor Rigby - Macca
A Day In the Life - Lennon/Macca
Hello, Goodbye - Macca
Penny Lane - Macca
Obladi Oblada - Macca
Helter Skelter - Macca
All Together Now - Macca
Let it Be - Macca
Get Back - Macca
Paperback Writer - Macca/Lennon
Lady Madonna - Macca
Hey Jude - Macca
We Can Work It Out - Lennon/Macca
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A Hard Day's Night - Lennon
Help! - Lennon
You've Got to Hide Your Love - Lennon*
Ticket to Ride - Lennon/Macca
Tomorrow Never Knows - Lennon
Lucy In the Sky With in Diamonds - Lennon
A Day In the Life - Lennon/Macca
I Am the Walrus - Lennon
All You Need Is Love - Lennon
Revolution - Lennon
Come Together - Lennon
I Want Yout (She's so heavy) - Lennon
Across the Universe - Lennon
I Should Have Known Better - Lennon
Paperback Writer - Macca/Lennon
Don't Let Me Down - Lennon
Day Tripper - Lennon
We Can Work It Out - Lennon/Macca
Paul: 13
John: 14
Co-wrote: 4
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 24, 2014 9:24:58 GMT -5
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Paperback Writer is more McCartney than Lennon.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 24, 2014 9:31:09 GMT -5
John had a knack for writing wordly anthems. Something Paul could never match.
- Lennon wrote Give Peace A Chance, McCartney wrote Freedom........
- Lennon wrote Happy Xmas, McCartney wrote Wonderful Christmas Time.............
- Lennon wrote All You Need Is Love, McCartney wrote Silly Love Songs............................
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 24, 2014 9:48:58 GMT -5
Shows how much Lennon has been deified as a songwriter. I think the better songwriter is McCartney. Lennon is good, but his solo career was hit or miss with really only a few standout tracks. Post- 66 McCartney was the driving force behind the Beatles. Post-66 I think Lennon was actually the third best songwriter in the Beatles behind Harrison and McCartney. Plus, I believe McCartney's peak songs, so his very best, are better than Lennon's very best. It's become a cool and trendy to vote for Lennon because of his deified image rather than the on his own merits. Just as it's become cool and trendy to downplay McCartney, mainly because he's been around longer and has made himself into a living brand and I believe his commercialism comes off as hollow to this new hipster generation. However, I believe as a pure songwriter, McCartney over Lennon. I don't know man, Lennon's songwriting jumped up several levels post 66. Became extremely mature for the most part and sophisticated. Different than his puppy dog love songs of pre 66. For example.............. - Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds - All You Need Is Love - I Am The Walrus - Revolution - Dear Prudence - Happiness Is A Warm Gun - Sexy Sadie - Across The Universe - Don't Let Me Down - The Ballad of John and Yoko - Come Together I don't think Harrison can hang with that song writing output during this era either. He had a handful of great songs but not the numbers. Lennon next spun his hot songwriting into the start of a budding solo career with....... - Give Peace A Chance - Cold Turkey - Instant Karma - Mother - Working Class Hero - Love - Look At Me - God - Imagine - Jealous Guy - Gimme Some Truth - Oh Yoko! All written between 1968 and 1971. When looking at John's solo career overall, he only really made music for 5 years out of the 10 he lived post Beatles. In that decade he gave the world...... - Give Peace A Chance - Instant Karma - Working Class Hero - Imagine - Jealous Guy - Mind Games - Whatever Gets You Through The Night - Stand By Me (Great cover) - Woman - Nobody Told Me - I'm Losing You All big songs in the charts and still played to this very day on modern radio (if you can find it  ). |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 24, 2014 12:08:21 GMT -5
John had a knack for writing wordly anthems. Something Paul could never match. - Lennon wrote Give Peace A Chance, McCartney wrote Freedom........ - Lennon wrote Happy Xmas, McCartney wrote Wonderful Christmas Time............. - Lennon wrote All You Need Is Love, McCartney wrote Silly Love Songs............................ Oh no you didn't. You did not just compared Silly Love Songs to All You Need Is Love. McCartney couldn't write worldly anthems? *Cough*HeyJude*cough* And Yesterday is the most covered popsong in history. Yellow Submarine? Who doesn't know it. I indeed also think John has that status of being a legend partially because he died when he was 40. If it would have been Paul, it was him who would have been appreciated more. Tbh I don't think Lennon's solo career was that great. Imagine was a wonderful album though. Oh My Love is such a beautiful song. McCartney is awesome too. |
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Post by Let It🩸 on Dec 24, 2014 12:17:54 GMT -5
Shows how much Lennon has been deified as a songwriter. I think the better songwriter is McCartney. Lennon is good, but his solo career was hit or miss with really only a few standout tracks. Post- 66 McCartney was the driving force behind the Beatles. Post-66 I think Lennon was actually the third best songwriter in the Beatles behind Harrison and McCartney. Plus, I believe McCartney's peak songs, so his very best, are better than Lennon's very best. It's become a cool and trendy to vote for Lennon because of his deified image rather than the on his own merits. Just as it's become cool and trendy to downplay McCartney, mainly because he's been around longer and has made himself into a living brand and I believe his commercialism comes off as hollow to this new hipster generation. However, I believe as a pure songwriter, McCartney over Lennon. I don't know man, Lennon's songwriting jumped up several levels post 66. Became extremely mature for the most part and sophisticated. Different than his puppy dog love songs of pre 66. For example.............. - Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds - All You Need Is Love - I Am The Walrus - Revolution - Dear Prudence - Happiness Is A Warm Gun - Sexy Sadie - Across The Universe - Don't Let Me Down - The Ballad of John and Yoko - Come Together I don't think Harrison can hang with that song writing output during this era either. He had a handful of great songs but not the numbers. Lennon next spun his hot songwriting into the start of a budding solo career with....... - Give Peace A Chance - Cold Turkey - Instant Karma - Mother - Working Class Hero - Love - Look At Me - God - Imagine - Jealous Guy - Gimme Some Truth - Oh Yoko! All written between 1968 and 1971. When looking at John's solo career overall, he only really made music for 5 years out of the 10 he lived post Beatles. In that decade he gave the world...... - Give Peace A Chance - Instant Karma - Working Class Hero - Imagine - Jealous Guy - Mind Games - Whatever Gets You Through The Night - Stand By Me (Great cover) - Woman - Nobody Told Me - I'm Losing You All big songs in the charts and still played to this very day on modern radio (if you can find it ). I reported your post being fucking awesome and correct. God bless. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 24, 2014 12:33:24 GMT -5
John had a knack for writing wordly anthems. Something Paul could never match. - Lennon wrote Give Peace A Chance, McCartney wrote Freedom........ - Lennon wrote Happy Xmas, McCartney wrote Wonderful Christmas Time............. - Lennon wrote All You Need Is Love, McCartney wrote Silly Love Songs............................ Oh no you didn't. You did not just compared Silly Love Songs to All You Need Is Love. McCartney couldn't write worldly anthems? *Cough*HeyJude*cough* And Yesterday is the most covered popsong in history. Yellow Submarine? Who doesn't know it. I indeed also think John has that status of being a legend partially because he died when he was 40. If it would have been Paul, it was him who would have been appreciated more. Tbh I don't think Lennon's solo career was that great. Imagine was a wonderful album though. Oh My Love is such a beautiful song. McCartney is awesome too. Hey Jude is a different kind of song compared to Lennon's unifying anthems on certain themes like Peace, Love and Christmas. Those songs will last forever. McCartney writes some killer pop songs though. |
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