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Post by jaq515 on Dec 17, 2014 12:34:49 GMT -5
I had totally forgotten about the little clips of the Noel/AA version of The Death of You and Me right at the start and the end of the What a Life video. They don't really give you a good perception of how the full song might sound like, but you can kind of notice a Morricone/spaghetti western influence in the whistling. While I don't want to inflame passions in the AA vs. Noel discussion, I thought this might be noteworthy, as this and Shoot a Hole into the Sun are basically all we have to built an opinion on. this is exactly the point i think people assume it wouldve been an album of the lady having orgasm etc which I'm sure so tracks would've been and some part of tracks would've been on there wouldve also been 'normal' structured songs too. I personally think why Gaz is getting annoyed now is cos some of the songs (I'm guessing the right stuff / mighyt i) are probably based on the work they did together. As rightly said elsewhere shoot a hole in the sun was co write credits for noel and gaz. Im willing to predict that the AA version of the right stuff especially would've had co write credits too. if the right stuff is based on say an normal acoustic demo then Gaz has no basis BUT if the right stuff is based on the cancelled AA version which Gaz probably would've got the co write credit for then can see why he's kicking off (which i think is the case tbh from the description we've heard / whats bubbling up with AA) |
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Post by matt on Dec 17, 2014 13:21:58 GMT -5
I can see a legal challenge kicking off - nice way to promote the album!
Anyway, totally forgot about that Death of You & Me AA version - sadly will probably never surface.
Look, I don't hate AA, and they always have good ideas here and there in their versions, but they jump the shark a bit at times and rely too much on one facet - such as wailing soul singers.
I don't think they ever surpassed the Falling Down remix though - the middle bit with the piano and strings in it is beautiful and its that kind of instrumentation I'd hope they'd bring to the table with Noel, rather than the repetitiveness of Shoot A Hole Into The Sun and What A Life mix.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 17, 2014 13:28:35 GMT -5
They got producing credits on SAHITS, not co-writing, and that's probably what they want now
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Post by Jim on Dec 17, 2014 13:42:22 GMT -5
They got producing credits on SAHITS, not co-writing, and that's probably what they want now They got co-writing, I'm holding the CD in my hand right now. Track 2. Shoot A Hole Into the Sun Written by Noel Gallagher / Garry Cobain / Brian Dougans (Dead Leg Music / Sony / ATV Music Publishing Ltd / FutureSong Publishing) Produced by Amorphous Androgynous Mixed by Paul Stacey |
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 17, 2014 13:44:01 GMT -5
They got producing credits on SAHITS, not co-writing, and that's probably what they want now They got co-writing, I'm holding the CD in my hand right now. Track 2. Shoot A Hole Into the Sun Written by Noel Gallagher / Garry Cobain / Brian Dougans (Dead Leg Music / Sony / ATV Music Publishing Ltd / FutureSong Publishing) Produced by Amorphous Androgynous Mixed by Paul Stacey Thank you Jim Guess this is what noel talks about when he's says people who DL music don't get inlays/sleeve notes etc so nobody knows who actually wrote a song now a days |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 17, 2014 13:52:33 GMT -5
Okay, sorry
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Post by Jim on Dec 17, 2014 13:59:31 GMT -5
They got co-writing, I'm holding the CD in my hand right now. Track 2. Shoot A Hole Into the Sun Written by Noel Gallagher / Garry Cobain / Brian Dougans (Dead Leg Music / Sony / ATV Music Publishing Ltd / FutureSong Publishing) Produced by Amorphous Androgynous Mixed by Paul Stacey Thank you Jim Guess this is what noel talks about when he's says people who DL music don't get inlays/sleeve notes etc so nobody knows who actually wrote a song now a days You're welcome. No apologies needed kid, just wanted to put up the right information for future use. |
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Post by GIMH on Dec 17, 2014 14:23:32 GMT -5
I can see a legal challenge kicking off - nice way to promote the album! Anyway, totally forgot about that Death of You & Me AA version - sadly will probably never surface. Look, I don't hate AA, and they always have good ideas here and there in their versions, but they jump the shark a bit at times and rely too much on one facet - such as wailing soul singers. I don't think they ever surpassed the Falling Down remix though - the middle bit with the piano and strings in it is beautiful and its that kind of instrumentation I'd hope they'd bring to the table with Noel, rather than the repetitiveness of Shoot A Hole Into The Sun and What A Life mix. Yeah man I love that Falling Down. |
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Post by matt on Dec 17, 2014 15:04:50 GMT -5
If the structure of the tune isn't changed from its basic acoustic form, Noel should not be giving writing credits to AA for the next album.
If they have embellished the song with their influence, they should be given production at the very most.
If AA have a problem with that, then they have to realise the likes of George Martin and Brian Eno were producers who didn't get songwriting credits from their production, despite influencing the sound massively. But they had no say on the song structure and they were smart enough to know that very well.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 17, 2014 15:11:18 GMT -5
If the structure of the tune isn't changed from its basic acoustic form, Noel should not be giving writing credits to AA for the next album. If they have embellished the song with their influence, they should be given production at the very most. If AA have a problem with that, then they have to realise the likes of George Martin and Brian Eno were producers who didn't get songwriting credits from their production, despite influencing the sound massively. But they had no say on the song structure and they were smart enough to know that very well. They've been in music a little while matt I'd be surprised if they understood the workings of the music industry less than the likes of us on here. |
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Post by matt on Dec 17, 2014 15:14:47 GMT -5
If the structure of the tune isn't changed from its basic acoustic form, Noel should not be giving writing credits to AA for the next album. If they have embellished the song with their influence, they should be given production at the very most. If AA have a problem with that, then they have to realise the likes of George Martin and Brian Eno were producers who didn't get songwriting credits from their production, despite influencing the sound massively. But they had no say on the song structure and they were smart enough to know that very well. They've been in music a little while matt I'd be surprised if they understood the workings of the music industry less than the likes of us on here. Yeah, but with the amount of acid they've been on, I'm not sure if they'd know how to peal a banana.  |
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 17, 2014 15:22:20 GMT -5
They've been in music a little while matt I'd be surprised if they understood the workings of the music industry less than the likes of us on here. Yeah, but with the amount of acid they've been on, I'm not sure if they'd know how to peal a banana. yeah great point.. they can't peel a banana.. legend!! but after that amazing point i'd guess after the AA noel album was shut down basically nearing 3 years ago and they never faltered mentioned it etc. Now CY coming out and we hearing reports that the right stuff is the most removed from supersonic as you can get and proper out there i think as noel never been out there and thats a song the AA worked on you can reasonably assume/ think maybe he's using the AA version of the song / possibly a co write to form the track? a the end of the day their aka wal was classed as a remix but their SAHITS was co write so depends where the other songs fall id guess |
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 17, 2014 15:29:08 GMT -5
If the structure of the tune isn't changed from its basic acoustic form, Noel should not be giving writing credits to AA for the next album. If they have embellished the song with their influence, they should be given production at the very most. If AA have a problem with that, then they have to realise the likes of George Martin and Brian Eno were producers who didn't get songwriting credits from their production, despite influencing the sound massively. But they had no say on the song structure and they were smart enough to know that very well. They've been in music a little while matt I'd be surprised if they understood the workings of the music industry less than the likes of us on here. are you crazy as if an act that been going since the 80's know how the music industry works than forum keyboard warriors ... shame on you  |
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Post by nghfbs on Dec 17, 2014 22:49:14 GMT -5
So, as the OP, can I ask: Do we believe the track times listed across various iTunes?
There seems to be inconsistencies across various stores, depending on the geography. US iTunes store looks plausible except the Track 8 and 9 have the exact same track length…which seems dubious
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Post by mossy on Dec 18, 2014 2:52:49 GMT -5
So is Gaz saying he's getting a "co-produced by" credit on one or more tracks on the CY album? (When he believes he should be getting "co-written by")
Noel's made a big point in all the interviews that he produced CY himself so I'll be surprised to even see a co-produce credit for Gaz...
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Post by mossy on Dec 18, 2014 2:58:05 GMT -5
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Post by andymorris on Dec 18, 2014 4:26:05 GMT -5
Well, they didn't it seems, add any key elements, like melodies, so co-producing at best. There's no debate here, the guy is being a complete ass. Just saw the Foo fighters doc about Sonic Highways, the producer Steve Albini only ever asks the musicians he works for money for the sessions, no royalties after that. He doesnt make ANY money from sales. He consider he only documents music made by the bands. NOW that's a classy guy. |
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Post by mossy on Dec 18, 2014 5:32:45 GMT -5
Well, they didn't it seems, add any key elements, like melodies, so co-producing at best. There's no debate here, the guy is being a complete ass. Just saw the Foo fighters doc about Sonic Highways, the producer Steve Albini only ever asks the musicians he works for money for the sessions, no royalties after that. He doesnt make ANY money from sales. He consider he only documents music made by the bands. NOW that's a classy guy. If Steve Albini had spent long hours giving Eva orgasms to record her screams over every track he might want more compensation... |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Dec 18, 2014 6:10:57 GMT -5
I love how eva's become a sexual dynamo on the forum... Thanks. |
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Post by eva on Dec 18, 2014 6:23:47 GMT -5
the joke got old last week. The thread was back on track, why bring all this shit again? Maybe you guys need a cold shower or something...
Let's move on, please
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Post by vito81 on Dec 18, 2014 7:19:35 GMT -5
the joke got old last week. The thread was back on track, why bring all this shit again? Maybe you guys need a cold shower or something... Let's move on, please Something for me! ¡Gracias corazón! |
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Post by mossy on Dec 18, 2014 7:50:16 GMT -5
My point (made facetiously) was that there's a difference between what Albini and the AA do. He records bands pretty straight. The AA add a lot of extra instrumentation. They have more of an argument for getting writing credits then Steve does. As they did indeed get for SAHITS.
However, every website that I looked at today on the topic said musicians should agree on who is getting credits on what up front before working together. Maybe that didn't happen in this case and old Noely Poly decided later that he didn't want to concede credits and royalties for an entire massive selling album. The AA don't seem that motivated by money but I can see that they'd want the credit.
Anyway, really interested to hear more from Gaz on the topic!
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Post by Let It Bleed on Dec 18, 2014 8:06:22 GMT -5
the joke got old last week. The thread was back on track, why bring all this shit again? Maybe you guys need a cold shower or something... Let's move on, please I just took a shower, not a cold one, though. And to be fair, I take a shower every day at this time. Gracias. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 18, 2014 8:14:28 GMT -5
We are probably a month away from hearing Ballad of The Mighty I.
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Dec 18, 2014 9:03:53 GMT -5
We are probably a month away from hearing Ballad of The Mighty I. Yeah Men, the leak is starting to be imminent |
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