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Post by mossy on Dec 18, 2014 10:57:16 GMT -5
We are probably a month away from hearing Ballad of The Mighty I. Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong month
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Post by skinfullofdope on Dec 18, 2014 11:43:28 GMT -5
we've had a good throw away single and a quality b-side it's now time to get down to business with this highly anticipated single and album!be a really nice christmas present to all the fans if the powers that be give us a taster of "the ballad of the mighty i" before the end of the year for making us wait too bloody long for the album!
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Post by Gas Panic on Dec 18, 2014 12:54:20 GMT -5
Fingers crossed we'll get TBOTMI in the same way we got Four Letter Word in 2011, it was fucking sweet getting FLW on boxing day 2011, and about the only time where I thought BDI actually done something interesting / smart in terms of promotion
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Post by gdforever on Dec 18, 2014 14:32:17 GMT -5
Fingers crossed we'll get TBOTMI in the same way we got Four Letter Word in 2011, it was fucking sweet getting FLW on boxing day 2011, and about the only time where I thought BDI actually done something interesting / smart in terms of promotion It was nice to get for us. But personally I thought they wasted the best song on DGSS by releasing it when the rest of pop world had released singles. One of the most competitive weeks in the charts and presumably for airwaves as well.
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Post by spaneli on Dec 18, 2014 14:40:16 GMT -5
Fingers crossed we'll get TBOTMI in the same way we got Four Letter Word in 2011, it was fucking sweet getting FLW on boxing day 2011, and about the only time where I thought BDI actually done something interesting / smart in terms of promotion It was nice to get for us. But personally I thought they wasted the best song on DGSS by releasing it when the rest of pop world had released singles. One of the most competitive weeks in the charts and presumably for airwaves as well. I agree. I think Noel would be better served to release the single and have first airplay in the new year. Then there'll be less competition and probably a higher charting. Having first airplay on Christmas just sets you up for an enormous drop in January and running the risk of being forgotten in the new year. No reason to waste a bullet for a momentary splash. No matter how big the splash.
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Post by Ltrain on Dec 18, 2014 14:42:48 GMT -5
When do you guys think previews for the tracks will be available on let's say Amazon. February?
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Post by gdforever on Dec 18, 2014 14:44:44 GMT -5
Or his argument could be. I didn't use anything thing they recorded. I had the song before we even went into the studio as a demo and I used none of the sections they wrote and didn't use their arrangement of the song. The area is even more grey if the song that you worked on together never ended up being published at all. Way I figure it. AA didn't get a credit on IIHAG but did on SAHITS. They would have gotten credit on the songs that was scrapped. But they won't get credit on a more classic straightforward versions that Noel recorded based off his own demos.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Dec 18, 2014 14:53:01 GMT -5
Well, they didn't it seems, add any key elements, like melodies, so co-producing at best. There's no debate here, the guy is being a complete ass. Just saw the Foo fighters doc about Sonic Highways, the producer Steve Albini only ever asks the musicians he works for money for the sessions, no royalties after that. He doesnt make ANY money from sales. He consider he only documents music made by the bands. NOW that's a classy guy. If Steve Albini had spent long hours giving Eva orgasms to record her screams over every track he might want more compensation... Is that a reference I see?? Songs About Fucking - Big Black
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Post by gdforever on Dec 18, 2014 14:57:06 GMT -5
So is Gaz saying he's getting a "co-produced by" credit on one or more tracks on the CY album? (When he believes he should be getting "co-written by") Noel's made a big point in all the interviews that he produced CY himself so I'll be surprised to even see a co-produce credit for Gaz... He was being really cryptic. Reading it again though. He doesn't mention anything about writing He just mocked the idea of being a "coproducer" Maybe what he is annoyed about is that Noel is taking a producing credit thus making Gaz a coproducer. Could be because we know that Noel has been mucking about with those mixes for ages maybe he feels he is owed some credit on the production side? That theory makes some sense because maybe they are trying to hammer out credits because Noel is going to put the AA versions of tracks on the b-sides of the singles and they'd have to be hammering those details out now if they were putting one on the flip side of TBOTMI. Could be for an actual song on the album that he thinks he should get writing on but is only being given credit for production ideas.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 18, 2014 15:41:59 GMT -5
Noel got co-producing credits on all his releases, even in Oasis, so i suppose it's mandatory for every producer who wanna work with him.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 18, 2014 15:51:41 GMT -5
Noel got co-producing credits on all his releases, even in Oasis, so i suppose it's mandatory for every producer who wanna work with him. Doesn't mean Gaz has to like it. Noel never had less to do with the recording of an album than he did with the AA album
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Post by Let It Bleed on Dec 18, 2014 15:56:07 GMT -5
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Post by spaneli on Dec 18, 2014 16:01:20 GMT -5
When do you guys think previews for the tracks will be available on let's say Amazon. February? I would think so. The Japanese release is February 25th. So late January early February most likely.
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Post by nghfbs on Dec 18, 2014 16:14:25 GMT -5
When do you guys think previews for the tracks will be available on let's say Amazon. February? I would think so. The Japanese release is February 25th. So late January early February most likely. That will be the biggest test of restraint I've ever faced. Usually I hop on track previews but then always find the full album release somehow disappointing because of the lack of surprise...
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Post by andymorris on Dec 18, 2014 16:17:07 GMT -5
Noel got co-producing credits on all his releases, even in Oasis, so i suppose it's mandatory for every producer who wanna work with him. Doesn't mean Gaz has to like it. Noel never had less to do with the recording of an album than he did with the AA album We dont know how the sessions went or how they ended up sounding like, so we can only speculate on that. I dont think Noel went in, played and shut his mouth. but then again, only speculations.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Dec 18, 2014 16:23:09 GMT -5
I would think so. The Japanese release is February 25th. So late January early February most likely. That will be the biggest test of restraint I've ever faced. Usually I hop on track previews but then always find the full album release somehow disappointing because of the lack of surprise... Kinda like foreplay - complete waste of time. God bless.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 18, 2014 16:25:00 GMT -5
I would think so. The Japanese release is February 25th. So late January early February most likely. That will be the biggest test of restraint I've ever faced. Usually I hop on track previews but then always find the full album release somehow disappointing because of the lack of surprise... I know I won't be able to control myself. When it comes to things like these, I'm like a rabbit who sees...another rabbit.
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Post by mossy on Dec 18, 2014 16:27:04 GMT -5
So is Gaz saying he's getting a "co-produced by" credit on one or more tracks on the CY album? (When he believes he should be getting "co-written by") Noel's made a big point in all the interviews that he produced CY himself so I'll be surprised to even see a co-produce credit for Gaz... He was being really cryptic. Reading it again though. He doesn't mention anything about writing He just mocked the idea of being a "coproducer" Maybe what he is annoyed about is that Noel is taking a producing credit thus making Gaz a coproducer. Could be because we know that Noel has been mucking about with those mixes for ages maybe he feels he is owed some credit on the production side? That theory makes some sense because maybe they are trying to hammer out credits because Noel is going to put the AA versions of tracks on the b-sides of the singles and they'd have to be hammering those details out now if they were putting one on the flip side of TBOTMI. Could be for an actual song on the album that he thinks he should get writing on but is only being given credit for production ideas. I'll still be a bit surprised if Gaz even gets a co-producer credit given how much Noel has banged on about how he produced CY himself. If he does get a credit it is proof the AA version, rather than the straight pre-AA version was used...
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Post by gdforever on Dec 18, 2014 16:36:59 GMT -5
Doesn't mean Gaz has to like it. Noel never had less to do with the recording of an album than he did with the AA album We dont know how the sessions went or how they ended up sounding like, so we can only speculate on that. I dont think Noel went in, played and shut his mouth. but then again, only speculations. I'm judging by Noel saying he came in most days and there were people playing on his songs that he had never met the the AA had brought in. Indicates to me that Noel didn't have a lot of say in what was going on in the studio. I'm sure he didn't shut up. But I'm sure he has less to contribute than in a situation like HFB1
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Post by gdforever on Dec 18, 2014 16:40:12 GMT -5
He was being really cryptic. Reading it again though. He doesn't mention anything about writing He just mocked the idea of being a "coproducer" Maybe what he is annoyed about is that Noel is taking a producing credit thus making Gaz a coproducer. Could be because we know that Noel has been mucking about with those mixes for ages maybe he feels he is owed some credit on the production side? That theory makes some sense because maybe they are trying to hammer out credits because Noel is going to put the AA versions of tracks on the b-sides of the singles and they'd have to be hammering those details out now if they were putting one on the flip side of TBOTMI. Could be for an actual song on the album that he thinks he should get writing on but is only being given credit for production ideas. I'll still be a bit surprised if Gaz even gets a co-producer credit given how much Noel has banged on about how he produced CY himself. If he does get a credit it is proof the AA version, rather than the straight pre-AA version was used... You have a point. His post seems to indicate that he is insulted by being called a "co-producer" instead of what we don't know. The more I think about it the more I think that maybe it's wrangling over the AA version for a b-side perhaps.
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Post by mossy on Dec 19, 2014 5:02:24 GMT -5
It's a good theory. Noel trying to recoup some of his losses from the AA sessions by using the tracks as alternative versions for the CY b-sides. He did it with NGHFBs. Time will tell!
Regarding the recording/writing of the AA album here's the Mojo 2011 interview which contains the most info that I can recall. Interesting points in bold.
Interviewer: You hinted at a new direction when you got the psychedelic DJ duo The Amorphous Androgynous to remix the final Oasis single, "Falling Down", and they provided a 22-minute epic that replaced your vocal with Alisha Sufit's of 70's hippies Magic Carpet...
Noel Gallagher: I was on a plane to LA, reading Mojo, when I saw an ad for a compilation called A Monstrous Psychedelic Bubble Exploding In Your Mind. Well, I'm having that. And the music was amazing. So I call up [The Amorphous Androgynous's] Gaz Cobain, who I've never met or had any contact with, so there's no way he could know I was calling. "Is that Gaz?" (Imitates whispery, mysterious voice): "Yes?" "It's Noel Gallagher". Ah. I was expecting you." And I'm going, Really? And he says, "Yes, yes... I've been watching you." When he says he's standing at the psychedelic crossroads, he's not joking.
Interviewer: Have the Amorphous Androgynous, or any other artists, worked on the album?
Noel Gallagher: Miles Kane played on the end of one of the songs, but unfortunately for young Miles, Dave Sardy felt it wasn't kissing the sky enough. As for The Amorphous Androgynous, we've made an entire, separate album together, which will be released next year. We made the album at Paul Weller's studio, over the same time period as High Flying Birds, but in a way that was completely different to anything I've done before. Gaz Cobain made me record and record, and when he heard something he liked he would film it. Then his colleague Brian Dougans would go off and cut everything up and use a bass line for one track and a drum loop for another. I almost called it off on the first day when Gaz made me play the same guitar line for five hours and 10 minutes. He kept saying things like, "Play it like it's orange. Play it smoky." What the hell does that mean? "You know what it means." I can assure you I don't. I'm from the North. On the 27th take we nearly came to blows.
Interviewer: Didn't he see you as the boss?
Noel Gallagher: Not at all, and if I suggested something he would say: "I'm not really into other people's ideas."There was a healthy disrespect for my songwriting. I'd play him something and he'd say, "It's good, but wouldn't it be great if we got a bunch of African tribesmen to play it through an electric kettle - on acid?" OK, but it's not the first single. And another thing, I wasn't allowed to talk to Brian. I'd call up and say, "Can I speak to Brian?" And Gaz would reply, "No. Nobody speaks to Brian." I wasn't even allowed to speak to him in the studio. The result is an album that's heavy jazz, avant-garde, pop, and most of it was written in the studio, which is something I never do. It's a companion piece to the High Flying Birds album, but an entirely separate project.
If a lot of it was written in the studio collaboratively with the AA, with Gaz (rightly or wrongly) seeing himself as the boss, it is understandable that he is now taking umbrage at only being a "co-producer" on any released tracks...
What intrigues me is exactly what material is being released now that he is getting a credit on? CY album tracks - really? Or maybe b-sides as gdforever suggests.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Dec 19, 2014 8:06:55 GMT -5
That will be the biggest test of restraint I've ever faced. Usually I hop on track previews but then always find the full album release somehow disappointing because of the lack of surprise... Kinda like foreplay - complete waste of time.God bless. I'm a little disappointed that no female members 'LIKE' that post. You know, personal lubricant is the new foreplay. Think about it.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 19, 2014 8:27:20 GMT -5
^ At least you're liking your own comments.
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 19, 2014 8:28:20 GMT -5
Maybe he's been offered a co producer credit for certain tracks where he believes he should get a full co wrote credit like on SAHITS
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Post by mossy on Dec 19, 2014 8:39:29 GMT -5
Maybe he's been offered a co producer credit for certain tracks where he believes he should get a full co wrote credit like on SAHITS You've summarised 5 pages of posts on this topic in one sentence.
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