|
|
Post by jaq515 on Mar 29, 2015 12:23:29 GMT -5
This Is exactly right the lack of promotion or lack of AirPlay is rubbish they have been solid. Again agreeing completely the reason HFB was successful is cos it picked up the casual non fans along the way with variety of singles. What a life is an amazing song and 'hit' then the rest of singles EOTR, IIHAG, DO all had that casual quality. I do say this a lot and this isn't negative, it was a tactic as it sold better than expected but the album dropped to £5 pretty fast too so causal picked that up on the strength of the 'single' instead of the single well i know you know more than me on this topc my friend , so guess im wrong or what you need to do to chart has changed zep never released a single ever and didnt promote alot never hurt them on chart guess times change , imo not for the better noel shouldnt have to schill to sell hes better than that not about right or wrong i just agree with defmaybe00 i didn't even see your prior post but not sure why he wouldn't promote oasis always did promotion so he's not really changing anything. Not saying he's a a performing monkey if thats your point i think it all the norm for him (as such) like you says things has changed massively and comparing nearly anything in the world of 2015 to say 1990 let alone 1975 is very difficult to do |
|
|
|
Post by lamboasis on Mar 29, 2015 12:37:21 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by defmaybe00 on Mar 29, 2015 12:47:45 GMT -5
So it's a full month in the top 10, nice one
|
|
|
|
Post by matt on Mar 29, 2015 12:50:30 GMT -5
Great album, but it doesn't have a hit single like many have said.
I like Ballad better than What A Life - I think it's a better song, but it's not a better single, if you get my drift.
|
|
|
|
Post by freddy838 on Mar 29, 2015 12:58:00 GMT -5
Radio play would make a huge difference, if Dying Of The Light got played on Heart for example he would sell a shitload of records off of it. Otherwise, I think you genuinely couldn't expect any more from an indie artist. see that makes sense , but again indie or not think its a shame a legend whether he is on a indie label or not is not getting alot of radio play in the usa i can understand he isnt getting alot play in uk ? thats just wrong guess the radio buisness is long gone in the 70s and 80s plenty of indie artists were played , then "discoverd" by labels REM comes right mind but there were plenty others for radio not to play noel cause he is indie is ludicrous Part of the problem is that the BBC is a public-owned broadcaster and the remit of Radio 1 is to focus on youth and about 4 or 5 years ago they were told to have a clear out of DJs, many of whom were big fans of Oasis, and the playlist was redesigned around what teenagers mainly were into. On the other side, the biggest commercial stations that have large coverage are owned by record companies who are interested in pushing the same music. It leaves Noel and basically every other band stuck on the specialist stations and Radio 2. I'd say Noel is probably in the top 5 most popular indie/Rock n roll acts still. All you can compare is to what else is happening now, not what happened in the past, even up to a few years ago. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 13:18:46 GMT -5
see that makes sense , but again indie or not think its a shame a legend whether he is on a indie label or not is not getting alot of radio play in the usa i can understand he isnt getting alot play in uk ? thats just wrong guess the radio buisness is long gone in the 70s and 80s plenty of indie artists were played , then "discoverd" by labels REM comes right mind but there were plenty others for radio not to play noel cause he is indie is ludicrous Part of the problem is that the BBC is a public-owned broadcaster and the remit of Radio 1 is to focus on youth and about 4 or 5 years ago they were told to have a clear out of DJs, many of whom were big fans of Oasis, and the playlist was redesigned around what teenagers mainly were into. On the other side, the biggest commercial stations that have large coverage are owned by record companies who are interested in pushing the same music. It leaves Noel and basically every other band stuck on the specialist stations and Radio 2. I'd say Noel is probably in the top 5 most popular indie/Rock n roll acts still. All you can compare is to what else is happening now, not what happened in the past, even up to a few years ago. ahhh I sere lots have changed that explains it cheers mate see I AM NOT CRITISIZING noel in anyway my issue is with radio and I believe the man has earned his place in history he shouldnt need to promote so much but guess times changed sadly |
|
|
|
Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 29, 2015 13:34:15 GMT -5
Great album, but it doesn't have a hit single like many have said. I like Ballad better than What A Life - I think it's a better song, but it's not a better single, if you get my drift. I think there's plenty of potential hits on this album. But Mighty I was not a good choice for a single. He should release Riverman, Dying Of The Light, Lock All The Doors, You Know We Can't Go Back. I think all of those have the potential to perform very well in the public eye. Doesn't mean they will, but I think they have the best chance. In The Heat Of The Moment, without the nananas would probably have been better received too. |
|
|
|
Post by jaq515 on Mar 29, 2015 13:52:23 GMT -5
Part of the problem is that the BBC is a public-owned broadcaster and the remit of Radio 1 is to focus on youth and about 4 or 5 years ago they were told to have a clear out of DJs, many of whom were big fans of Oasis, and the playlist was redesigned around what teenagers mainly were into. On the other side, the biggest commercial stations that have large coverage are owned by record companies who are interested in pushing the same music. It leaves Noel and basically every other band stuck on the specialist stations and Radio 2. I'd say Noel is probably in the top 5 most popular indie/Rock n roll acts still. All you can compare is to what else is happening now, not what happened in the past, even up to a few years ago. ahhh I sere lots have changed that explains it cheers mate see I AM NOT CRITISIZING noel in anyway my issue is with radio and I believe the man has earned his place in history he shouldnt need to promote so much but guess times changed sadly The R1 thing is because the BBC is paid for by a license fee, as you my know as you lived here is that each house hold has to buy a license if you watch live tv or listen to the radio. This means the BBC have to provide relevant broadcasting for everyone who buys a TV license, if your 18 or 60. The average age of R1 listener a few years back was 32-34 (i think mid 30's anyway). If the BBC didn't lower the average age of listener they would be in breach of the whole BBC charter / license fee etc (as obv the average age on mid 30's so it wasn't catering for young people like it should) The BBC did start more youth orientated programs aimed at teenagers- mid 20's to lower this age (they had no choice). This is why Nick Grimshaw does breakfast show it is terrible, not a patch even on Chris Moyles and they lost hundreds of thousands listeners BUT they increased the younger demographic and thus lowering the age (which they have to do). Obv dropping acts like Noel, Robbie Williams, Madonna etc was just a necessary sacrifice cos they had to and their key demographic they appeal to isn't teenagers (obv we know a huge amount of young people have got into him via his legendary status but the majority chunk of gig goers and record buyers are slightly older than R1 target audience ) R2 is far more popular than R1 i think last figures was R2 averaging 15 million listeners vs R1 10 million. So it really irrelevant if noel isn't played on R1 to get his music heard (and like i wrote else where absolute radio promote/play oasis / noel etc lots and their listenership is 5 million) Then when you add in local station (even BBC run ones), R6 (which is the Music station) and Xfm etc his music is really get played on the radio. edit : sorry freddy i wrote basically what you did i misread you post |
|
|
|
Post by jaq515 on Mar 29, 2015 13:57:37 GMT -5
Great album, but it doesn't have a hit single like many have said. I like Ballad better than What A Life - I think it's a better song, but it's not a better single, if you get my drift. I think there's plenty of potential hits on this album. But Mighty I was not a good choice for a single. He should release Riverman, Dying Of The Light, Lock All The Doors, You Know We Can't Go Back. I think all of those have the potential to perform very well in the public eye. Doesn't mean they will, but I think they have the best chance. In The Heat Of The Moment, without the nananas would probably have been better received too. exactly think done right Dying of the Light be good single and I'm sure You Know We Cant go Back will create some traction in the summer. When what a life came out it was on the England/vauxhall ad and it was a big advert at the time. They even pushed a digital release out month or so before the actual physical release Then it got another boost of press when it was launched physically as it had russell brand in the vid who was obv lot more popular few year back. He was just very lucky/was really well planned, the song sort of had its own promotion vs a song normally promoting an artist/album |
|
|
|
Post by glider on Mar 29, 2015 13:59:44 GMT -5
Great album, but it doesn't have a hit single like many have said. I like Ballad better than What A Life - I think it's a better song, but it's not a better single, if you get my drift. I think there's plenty of potential hits on this album. But Mighty I was not a good choice for a single. He should release Riverman, Dying Of The Light, Lock All The Doors, You Know We Can't Go Back. I think all of those have the potential to perform very well in the public eye. Doesn't mean they will, but I think they have the best chance. In The Heat Of The Moment, without the nananas would probably have been better received too. Ballad of the Mighty I doesn't sound like a single to me either, but it was a good album closer. He should've released TDOTL in its place, and then for his 3rd he should do You Know We Can't Go Back. |
|
|
|
Post by World71R on Mar 29, 2015 14:56:10 GMT -5
One thing that needs to be said:
If Noel and his management team don't release You Know We Can't Go Back as a single right around summertime, it will be a extremely missed opportunity.
If he doesn't release the song as a single at all, it will be a tried and true travesty, and his management should be fired and lynched (Okay, maybe not that far with the last one but you get it).
|
|
|
|
Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 29, 2015 15:04:57 GMT -5
One thing that needs to be said: If Noel and his management team don't release You Know We Can't Go Back as a single right around summertime, it will be a extremely missed opportunity. If he doesn't release the song as a single at all, it will be a tried and true travesty, and his management should be fired and lynched (Okay, maybe not that far with the last one but you get it). Yes, the song screams radio friendly hit! |
|
|
|
Post by gdforever on Mar 29, 2015 16:44:47 GMT -5
3rd week of wide release 31K #22 in the world Worldwide 240K in 4 weeks I have no idea whether this is good or not. I would say it's decent. HFB's reception was exceptional. But IMO the amazing thing about HFB weren't it's week on week sales but it's longevity that really made it's performance special. Maybe CY will spend ages on the chart as well. Plus it was released only a month before the big Christmas rush began. Comparing it's sales week to week should be avoided. There are amazing sales through the entire chart through the last couple months of the year. Something like the equivalent of all the albums sold in the first SIX I think that the cost of flying out to America for strictly promotional purposes before the album dropped didn't really pay for itself in sales with HFB. So he is probably going to just do a bit of promotion as he tour perhaps. The fact is that it's very possible that he never does massive business in the US so why should he spend big money throwing it at a place that hasn't been interested in him for like 2 decades? |
|
|
|
Post by defmaybe00 on Mar 29, 2015 17:05:45 GMT -5
For comparison Muse's Pshyco entered the charts at #55,their first official single (as Pshyco could be considered just a promo) Dead Inside charted at #71
Blur three singles didn't even make the top 100
ITHOTM charted at #26
Mighty I at #54
|
|
|
|
Post by batfink30 on Mar 29, 2015 19:04:46 GMT -5
It still surprises me how many people don't know the new stuff. Even at the RAH gig last night, a lot of people stood with blank faces during the new songs despite them singing NGHFB songs. Why would you buy the 1st album and not bother even listening to the new one?
|
|
|
|
Post by bestwick8 on Mar 29, 2015 19:57:25 GMT -5
I still think riverman is gonna be the next single, that or the dying of he light because he's been playing it acoustiy lately.
|
|
|
|
Post by liamgallagher1992 on Mar 29, 2015 20:36:10 GMT -5
We debate this stuff every single time a new album comes out.
The Dig Out Your Soul era was the point I realised even Oasis were starting to be unable to compete with this new era of mainstream music.
2002-2005 we had the pop idols and x factors, and simon cowell/Sony domination through the charts but The Hindu Times, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Songbird , Lyla and importance of being idle come out and they more than hold their own in the charts.
Dig Out Your Soul went to #1 but the singles really didn't make an impact and a lot of it was just a simple lack of tapping into that casual audience that got the chance to hear the likes of Stop Crying Your Heart Out and Lyla.
Noel had a bit of an impact on the charts with What A Life, because it was played to death on adverts and skysports etc but I think we reached the stage where indie rock or any rock band not contrived and manufactured cannot break this hold the Mainstream has these days.
|
|
|
|
Post by bestwick8 on Mar 29, 2015 22:55:13 GMT -5
We debate this stuff every single time a new album comes out. The Dig Out Your Soul era was the point I realised even Oasis were starting to be unable to compete with this new era of mainstream music. 2002-2005 we had the pop idols and x factors, and simon cowell/Sony domination through the charts but The Hindu Times, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Songbird , Lyla and importance of being idle come out and they more than hold their own in the charts. Dig Out Your Soul went to #1 but the singles really didn't make an impact and a lot of it was just a simple lack of tapping into that casual audience that got the chance to hear the likes of Stop Crying Your Heart Out and Lyla. Noel had a bit of an impact on the charts with What A Life, because it was played to death on adverts and skysports etc but I think we reached the stage where indie rock or any rock band not contrived and manufactured cannot break this hold the Mainstream has these days. Yeah you knew the oasis era was going down when they couldn't get a number one single during dig out yor soul like every other album. Too bad noel didn't go solo during or before that era, even richard Ashcroft was charting well both for his albums and singles. |
|
|
|
Post by liamgallagher1992 on Mar 29, 2015 23:03:16 GMT -5
I dont think its any coincidence that I could go into any CD store and buy The Importance Of Being Idle. The last Gallagher single I can remember being able to do (easily at least)
Oasis fans love being able to have the physical copy and its not something that should be overlooked by management
|
|
|
|
Post by defmaybe00 on Mar 29, 2015 23:10:02 GMT -5
It still surprises me how many people don't know the new stuff. Even at the RAH gig last night, a lot of people stood with blank faces during the new songs despite them singing NGHFB songs. Why would you buy the 1st album and not bother even listening to the new one? They're starting to react well to The Wrong Beach just now, after he's played it for 2 years, so you gotta give 'em time... It also depends on the gig, if you look at Manchester or Glasgow videos they're even singing along to Do The Damage, the same happened in Milan I see ITHOTM usually gets a great reaction,and Mighty I, LATD and YKWCGB a good one, especially during the chorus, so that makes it 4 out of 8, which is not that bad if paired with the fact that they essentially sing along to every Oasis and NGHFB1 song |
|
|
|
Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 30, 2015 0:35:41 GMT -5
Over here everyone around me was singing along to everything
|
|
|
|
Post by Let It Bleed on Mar 30, 2015 0:40:08 GMT -5
Oasis hadn't been relevant since 1997, Noel isn't gonna have much of a worldwide impact.
God bless.
|
|
|
|
Post by lamboasis on Mar 30, 2015 2:36:11 GMT -5
Oasis hadn't been relevant since 1997, Noel isn't gonna have much of a worldwide impact. God bless. We can discuss about this since the 2008-2009 tour was their biggest one. I have in my computer a file about that tour. I made that for the last year at school for english. They played about 318k people in North America, 415k in Europe, 90k in Asia (1 leg), 205k in South America (1 leg) and 800k in the summer in UK/Ireland. I mean, that summer tour in UK/Ireland was one of the biggest in history. That's about 1.8 million people for about 110 show. I wouldn't say they weren't relevant since they sold out Wembley (three gigs), Heaton Park (three gigs), Slane Castle, Murrayfield Stadium, Millennium Stadium, River Plate Stadium, Madison Square Garden, Staples Center etc. Also DOYS charted in the top 15 in +20 countries, top 10 in 15. So... |
|
|
|
Post by Let It Bleed on Mar 30, 2015 2:38:24 GMT -5
Oasis hadn't been relevant since 1997, Noel isn't gonna have much of a worldwide impact. God bless. We can discuss about this since the 2008-2009 tour was their biggest one. I have in my computer a file about that tour. I made that for the last year at school for english. They played about 318k people in North America, 415k in Europe, 90k in Asia (1 leg), 205k in South America (1 leg) and 800k in the summer in UK/Ireland. I mean, that summer tour in UK/Ireland was one of the biggest in history. That's about 1.8 million people for about 110 show. I wouldn't say they weren't relevant since they sold out Wembley (three gigs), Heaton Park (three gigs), Slane Castle, Murrayfield Stadium, Millennium Stadium, River Plate Stadium, Madison Square Garden, Staples Center etc. Also DOYS charted in the top 15 in +20 countries, top 10 in 15. So... My scalp feels like it's going to catch fire. Thanks. |
|
|
|
Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 30, 2015 5:12:27 GMT -5
Oasis hadn't been relevant since 1997, Noel isn't gonna have much of a worldwide impact. God bless. We can discuss about this since the 2008-2009 tour was their biggest one. I have in my computer a file about that tour. I made that for the last year at school for english. They played about 318k people in North America, 415k in Europe, 90k in Asia (1 leg), 205k in South America (1 leg) and 800k in the summer in UK/Ireland. I mean, that summer tour in UK/Ireland was one of the biggest in history. That's about 1.8 million people for about 110 show. I wouldn't say they weren't relevant since they sold out Wembley (three gigs), Heaton Park (three gigs), Slane Castle, Murrayfield Stadium, Millennium Stadium, River Plate Stadium, Madison Square Garden, Staples Center etc. Also DOYS charted in the top 15 in +20 countries, top 10 in 15. So... And with all that it didn't chart high on concert sales for 2008 www.billboard.com/articles/news/266123/bon-jovi-scores-2008s-top-grossing-tourOr 2009......... www.billboard.com/articles/news/266418/top-25-tours-of-2009 |
|
Nov 4, 2024 5:04:30 GMT -5
Nov 4, 2024 5:04:30 GMT -5