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Post by jaq515 on Oct 26, 2014 19:45:38 GMT -5
Are you trying to seriously tell me that the casual listener who just got won over by noel Gallagher performance had never heard don't look back in anger, half the world away, whatever, little by little, and talk tonight?? They had no idea those about Those songs?? I find that very very strange where are you getting this information from? Obv except from your friends :/ Bdi did what they wanted to do . You seem to forget that noel left oasis to be free and push himself as an artist so beady eye did what they did and if it wasnt leaps and bounds so be it cos they didn't ask for the split. Noel how ever wanted to move on and thus far has barely has and still pulls out same out songs live New Order was never planned either. By casual listener, I mean the casual observer of Oasis - most can only name a few tunes, and DLBIA is the only one there that everyone knows. Plus, many of the album tracks he played weren't well known. But he still pulled it off because they are quality songs that obviously reach out to folk. But your ignoring the fact thay noel didn't really change his sound / move forward but you expected bdi too?
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Post by Rolo on Oct 26, 2014 19:46:24 GMT -5
Matt, you keep going on about how Beady Eye and Liam are stuck in the 60's and haven't tried to evolve yet you lick Noel's arse on a consistent basis? Beady Eye have tried to come out their comfort zone more than Noel has so far, the first HFB record was exactly what everyone expected from him. I'm not saying I don't like Noel's album as I do, I think it's brilliant but it's unfair to say Beady Eye are 'stuck in the 60's' if you have a completely different opinion on Noel's approach. Noel's album has excellent songs - but I query the production like many here do as it, admittedly, doesn't sound so up to date. Beady Eye DON'T have excellent songs, and when you write songs in a conventional manner like Noel does, they need to be top top quality. There are only a handful of songwriters like Noel on the planet who can get away with it, Beady Eye try to do the same thing in writing conventional songs, but the finished product is just not there so why not mix up the songs a bit? Taking good little ideas here and there from their songs, and experimenting with an idea can make you more innovative. Again, I'll take some band like New Order - there are songs that aren't fully formed conventional tunes, buy they mix them up by experimenting instrumentally with them. Loops and samples and getting a real groove and such, and you've got something interesting. Beady Eye can't do the whole verse-chorus-verse-chorus-middle eight-chorus thing very well. So why not run wild with it? Says who? I think they do.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 26, 2014 19:48:19 GMT -5
Hahaha you must be joking. I may not agree with you often but I thought you had something between the ears. Yes Matt that one photo condemns an entire fanbase to only being interested in image. Come on, it's a joke. But you've got to admit, there are many Beady Eye fans who don't necessarily broaden their horizons. I know some, and its just basically Beady Eye and Kasabian they did. And shit NME promoted bands. Appealing to such narrow demographics is getting them nowhere - that's what my original post is about. Are these the same people that don't know oasis songs?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 26, 2014 19:49:40 GMT -5
I feel like the monopoly man at the moment.... You are definitely deluded if you see yourself as him. He didn't say anything ridiculous...
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Post by squire on Oct 26, 2014 19:50:38 GMT -5
Nice useless argument
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Post by Let It Bleed on Oct 26, 2014 19:54:41 GMT -5
I feel like the monopoly man at the moment.... I don't even see why you bother. it's all the same argument over and over....it's petty and nit-picky. and you yourself, have let your feelings and opinions be known more than a few times. fuck it, if people like it, great. you aren't gonna change their opinion. i advise everyone to live your lives and enjoy it. life really is short, and can be better spent than arguing about things that don't really matter on the internet all day. God bless.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 26, 2014 19:58:53 GMT -5
I feel like the monopoly man at the moment.... I don't even see why you bother. it's all the same argument over and over....it's petty and nit-picky. and you yourself, have let your feelings and opinions be known more than a few times. fuck it, if people like it, great. you aren't gonna change their opinion. i advise everyone to live your lives and enjoy it. life really is short, and can be better spent than arguing about things that don't really matter on the internet all day. God bless. Exactly great advice doesn't really matter each to there own .. I'm gonna dress up as liam, throw some piss around my house and start a fight .Mad fer it!!'
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 20:03:57 GMT -5
I feel like the monopoly man at the moment.... You are definitely deluded if you see yourself as him. He didn't say anything ridiculous... No, no, it's just a joke.... I really don't think that... Look, I'm just giving my two cents on why Beady Eye didn't succeed that's all, and what they could have done to get fans on board. I'm not telling you to agree, just giving my opinion!
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 26, 2014 20:08:30 GMT -5
I'm not interested matt. I'm putting my shades on (even though I don't own any) and my PG jacket (even though I don't own one) and I'm going to throw some piss and punch my neighbors in the face and then write some sub par rock n roll tunes about it.
YER HEAR ME
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 20:16:15 GMT -5
I'm not interested matt. I'm putting my shades on (even though I don't own any) and my PG jacket (even though I don't own one) and I'm going to throw some piss and punch my neighbors in the face and then write some sub par rock n roll tunes about it. YER HEAR ME Maybe you could also drink a jar and get off your fuckin' nut
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Post by shoes222 on Oct 26, 2014 20:22:55 GMT -5
Noel's album has excellent songs - but I query the production like many here do as it, admittedly, doesn't sound so up to date. Beady Eye DON'T have excellent songs, and when you write songs in a conventional manner like Noel does, they need to be top top quality. There are only a handful of songwriters like Noel on the planet who can get away with it, Beady Eye try to do the same thing in writing conventional songs, but the finished product is just not there so why not mix up the songs a bit? Taking good little ideas here and there from their songs, and experimenting with an idea can make you more innovative. Again, I'll take some band like New Order - there are songs that aren't fully formed conventional tunes, buy they mix them up by experimenting instrumentally with them. Loops and samples and getting a real groove and such, and you've got something interesting. Beady Eye can't do the whole verse-chorus-verse-chorus-middle eight-chorus thing very well. So why not run wild with it? I think they have excellent songs. Sorry. It's great that you think so, but ridiculously few people agree with you to the point where the band felt it was not worth continuing. If there's this much bickering among the fan base on this forum about the quality of the songs, then you can only imagine why the public at large couldn't even begin to be bothered about them.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 26, 2014 20:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 26, 2014 20:55:45 GMT -5
Beady Eye have a solid collection of good songs, but not without a bit of filler coming mostly from the debut album. DGSS wasn't a very strong start. It had a few strong songs, a few more good songs and a couple more average songs, that's it. Where the album shined, it shined. BE was a good follow up, but it just couldn't outrun the negative image the first album received.
What Beady Eye lacks are major hits, especially modern sounding hits that appeal to a wide audience. Bands without hits probably won't be bands for very long if the band members can't take the low appeal. Beady Eye lasted as long as it did because of the names carrying it and let's face it, Oasis was on it's way out the door with appeal back in 2009.
Coupled by the fact that people simply hate Liam because of his antics over the years and the large, but general bad-boy reputation he's built, people despise him.
I absolutely loathe to make this comparison as I know I'll get shouted at, but Liam Gallagher was in the 90's and to a degree still is like the Justin Bieber of today. He is hated worldwide, especially by Americans. The difference? He's not 18 and singing to teenage girls, so there goes that market, the only market Bieber has to survive. The more time went on, the more he was hated. Granted, Bieber is far more unlikeable and far more immature than Liam ever was which says a lot about Generation Y. But I think you get the point. In the end, his antics didn't do anything for his public image. It has not served him well.
And hell, I can't even be certain that if Beady Eye had the hits that they wouldn't have ended up in the same boat, simply because so many people do resent Liam. We don't necessarily notice it, because we're all biased, we do like Liam, but look at the popular opinion, it just isn't positive regarding the man. He's an icon no doubt, but he's more infamous than anything.
Not to mention, Liam's cheating and divorce, Gems injury, and a canceled tour put the final nail in the coffin.
The moral of the lesson? If you're in the spotlight and wish to have a stable lifelong career, try to avoid burning bridges and pissing potential or existing fans off.
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Post by squire on Oct 26, 2014 20:58:12 GMT -5
lol as an American I must ask do people really hate Liam? I love him to pieces but most people I talk to don't even know who he is. If anything just the guy who sang Wonderwall.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 26, 2014 21:01:50 GMT -5
lol as an American I must ask do people really hate Liam? I love him to pieces but most people I talk to don't even know who he is. If anything just the guy who sang Wonderwall. The Americans that do know him and of course people from other countries don't generally think positively of him. At least, that's been my experience away from these forums.
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Post by losingmyhead on Oct 26, 2014 21:05:19 GMT -5
I think they have excellent songs. Sorry. It's great that you think so, but ridiculously few people agree with you to the point where the band felt it was not worth continuing. If there's this much bickering among the fan base on this forum about the quality of the songs, then you can only imagine why the public at large couldn't even begin to be bothered about them. But who cares? I have my own opinions about Beady Eye's music, some of it cutting and snide, but there should be limits on how much you can deconstruct why people love music that may not seem special to anyone beyond a select few. I listen to the new U2 as a relatively casual fan (love Achtung Baby and half of Zooropa) and hear a bunch of tired retreads from a band that hasn't had any new musical or melodic ideas in 20 years. Matt listens and hears brilliance. If you push me, I'd wager that his biases are working overtime to nudge him towards believing that U2 is still halfway awesome, but ultimately what difference does it make? I spent this 30 minutes this afternoon listening to my favourite songs from Tusk by Fleetwood Mac in the car with three other members of my family, all with bewildered looks on their faces that I could like this weird nonsense. But I do, for whatever stupid reason, perhaps not really about the songs themselves. We love music for many different reasons than that it is objectively brilliant.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 26, 2014 21:08:34 GMT -5
Matt, you keep going on about how Beady Eye and Liam are stuck in the 60's and haven't tried to evolve yet you lick Noel's arse on a consistent basis? Beady Eye have tried to come out their comfort zone more than Noel has so far, the first HFB record was exactly what everyone expected from him. I'm not saying I don't like Noel's album as I do, I think it's brilliant but it's unfair to say Beady Eye are 'stuck in the 60's' if you have a completely different opinion on Noel's approach. To be fair, arguing about who has come most out of their comfort zone between the two is like arguing who is the tallest midget. BE was a step in the right direction, but it was a minimal step. Take off Sitek's instrumental endings abs most of the songs don't sound much different than anything off an Oasis album. Both had been slow to push any bit of their sound without an outside person coming in and forcing them to do so. Noel had some flashes with the AA material, WAL, ITHOTM, LTLSALOM, and Alone on a Rope. Beady Eye with FOTF, Soul Love, Soon Comes Tomorrow, Second Bite of the Apple, and a couple other tunes. For the most part they are equally stuck in the past.
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Post by squire on Oct 26, 2014 21:52:31 GMT -5
I spent this 30 minutes this afternoon listening to my favourite songs from Tusk by Fleetwood Mac in the car with three other members of my family, all with bewildered looks on their faces that I could like this weird nonsense. Liked for Fleetwood Mac, your family needs to get with it
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2014 21:55:12 GMT -5
lol as an American I must ask do people really hate Liam? I love him to pieces but most people I talk to don't even know who he is. If anything just the guy who sang Wonderwall. The Americans that do know him and of course people from other countries don't generally think positively of him. At least, that's been my experience away from these forums. Most Americans 30 years old or above think of him as an arrogant asshole. Most people younger than that don't really know him outside Wonderwall on a classic rock station. Listen I love Liam but let's be honest, he was a jerk to a lot of people on the way up, especially in America. People put up with it then because he was 23 and Oasis had great songs. Once that stopped, the backlash started.
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Post by squire on Oct 26, 2014 21:56:23 GMT -5
To be fair, arguing about who has come most out of their comfort zone between the two is like arguing who is the tallest midget. hahaha this is so true. It surprises me seeing so many people asking Noel and Liam to experiment and try new things. These are rock/pop stars and they have a formula that works. They can adventure a little but but on the whole both Noel and Liam are smart enough to stick to what they do best. So sorry but if you are expecting them to break away from verse/chorus/verse/chorus you're gonna have a bad time.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2014 21:59:07 GMT -5
I feel like the monopoly man at the moment.... Nah, I view you more like the kid from Never Ending Story.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 22:09:42 GMT -5
I feel like the monopoly man at the moment.... Nah, I view you more like the kid from Never Ending Story. Holy crap, it was exactly like that - except I was being chased by piss drenched, parka wearing, Liam lookalikes.
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Post by jacqueda on Oct 26, 2014 22:10:23 GMT -5
I am glad that Beady Eye are done because it wasn't pretty seeing them try to be Oasis without Noel. On that note, even though they are one of my absolute top all time favorite bands I was happy Oasis broke up. But also I don't know why people think it would be so great for Liam to make his own solo album. I really like Songbird and Better Man but he has written few very good songs over his lengthy career and the songs he sang best were arena rock songs written by Noel. I know in the beginning Noel needed Liam to head the band live because Noel didn't have the presence or singing skill to do both. But as time went on Noel became a really good singer and it was obvious before HFB that he didn't need Oasis anymore and would actually be better off having full control of his work. I know it came as a surprise to some but to me it was ridiculously obvious. Liam's best chance for future success is to let go of Oasis and to recreate himself somewhat. I say collaborate because I believe doing what Noel is doing isn't possible for him. Also he needs to stop making songs about his riff with his bro. People don't care to hear songs about that garbage. I like bonehead but I am not sure how reasonable it is for Liam to get back with him in a band. Some have suggested that. If they do I hope they don't play Noel's songs anymore. I seen youtube footage of Beady Eye playing with Bonehead. I didn't like seeing them playing the old Oasis hits because it just seemed odd (or in poor taste) for them to be happily rocking out to songs written by a guy they talk badly about.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 22:14:20 GMT -5
I feel like the monopoly man at the moment.... You are definitely deluded if you see yourself as him. He didn't say anything ridiculous... Who's to say I wasn't wearing a top hat with a big moustache and an old fashion prison uniform when I typed that? While at the same time fighting off 'the sisters'?
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 26, 2014 22:17:03 GMT -5
The Americans that do know him and of course people from other countries don't generally think positively of him. At least, that's been my experience away from these forums. Most Americans 30 years old or above think of him as an arrogant asshole. Most people younger than that don't really know him outside Wonderwall on a classic rock station. Listen I love Liam but let's be honest, he was a jerk to a lot of people on the way up, especially in America. People put up with it then because he was 23 and Oasis had great songs. Once that stopped, the backlash started. Yep, that's exactly right.
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