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Post by Let It Bleed on Oct 26, 2014 18:01:29 GMT -5
I hope Noel doesn't disappoint... Noel's album will disappoint everyone who wants to be disappointed, just like how BE disappointed most who didn't like DGSS. it's pretty ridiculous. there's only about handful of people around here that aren't blinded by their prejudices. Noel's album will be ok....probably one or two great songs, more good to average songs and maybe one or two songs that are subpar. there won't be a 'Live Forever' or a 'Don't Look Back In Anger'. the guy's fucking old and way past his peak but he can still come up with good melodies. fuck, Oasis weren't that amazing after (What's the Story)Morning Glory?. they had some slight peaks but nothing like the first two albums. Noel or Liam aren't gonna get any better. this BE section will turn into like what Japanese shell shocked soldiers who weren't told World War II had ended and kept fighting a war that's been over for years. and of course all the girlie Noel vs. Liam fights will continue.... God bless.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 18:06:17 GMT -5
God's sake, I didn't say EVERY Beady Eye fan is a Liam clone. But undoubtedly, if it wasn't Liam Gallagher, nobody would give a toss and 99% of the people on this forum would have no idea who they are or have any remote interest in them. I don't doubt your love for the music, but there are some fans that can't look beyond the image which distorts their view of the music. I mean come on, if Coldplay had written The Beat Goes On, some Beady Eye fans would undoubtedly think it's 'so gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay' or whatever insult they can come up with, yet if Yellow was written by Beady Eye, it would be the greatest thing since sliced bread. In my personal opinion, Beady Eye are pretty guilty of writing soft, sappy songs. I don't like their music for the majority, although I think they have a couple of crackers. That's my personal opinion. Don't pretend those deluded fans are not out there - we've seen it with Oasis. We all love Oasis, hence why we're all on this forum - but there's no doubt that they attracted some of the most stupid people in the world. All that piss throwing and fisticuffs at Oasis gigs? Not really the act of anyone with an ounce of intelligence. Many of those fans will have transferred over to Beady Eye. My argument is Beady Eye only lasted as long as they were, or were as popular as they were, because of the image and those who are attracted by such superficial qualities. I didn't even say you said 'every'. You can say that about a lot of solo projects. If a new artist had released Thom Yorke's latest bleep bleep project do you think they would be making another album? A fraction of the people would have listened to it. Would the Johnny Marr's albums (and I like both) under an unknown banner do much? Again, what if this band wrote that or they wrote this. How is that relevant? You can turn that around with any band. A lot of music listeners might love flick of the finger if it was written by there favourite band but because Beady Eye wrote it and it involves Liam Gallagher they aint interested. There are deluded fans for all bands, it seems to me matt that you deem someone deluded if they don't share your opinion on Beady Eye as a third rate band. I've seen your posts about U2 and Coldplay and you defend them whatever the argument. Some might call you deluded. I wouldn't personally because you just seem to be a fan passionate about there music. Your last statement is quite clearly wrong. That implies it has nothing to do with music. Did you go see them? Meet and chat to the people going to the gigs? If you had you would realise what an incredibly silly thing it is to say. I think many can back me up as saying that is bullshit. I'm a fan of those bands, but not everything they've done is defensible. I saw them at T in the Park, thought they were pretty ordinary, the performance was fine but I can't remember half the songs - I didn't own BE so it was pretty much the first time I heard a lot of those songs - thought Soul Love was really good and I still do (as well as Flick of the Finger and Four Letter Word), but it seemed to me the only hardcore ones were the rowdy Liam lovers. Maybe they were just naturally aggressive people - there's a lot of them here in Scotland - but from where I was standing, there was a general lack of interest. I totally realise that festivals never attract the most ruckus crowds, but from what I heard from friends who went to the 2012 festival, Noel totally blew away the audience in 2012 without any pretense and festival gigs gives an indication of how good a band's songs are when put to the casual listener. All I'm saying is, get the right songs and you'll get the right crowd. And Beady Eye seemed to agree with this - by inserting classic Oasis songs written by Noel, it was an admission that they had no confidence in the tunes they wrote.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 26, 2014 18:12:25 GMT -5
I hope Noel doesn't disappoint... Noel's album will disappoint everyone who wants to be disappointed, just like how BE disappointed most who didn't like DGSS. it's pretty ridiculous. there's only about handful of people around here that aren't blinded by their prejudices. Noel's album will be ok....probably one or two great songs, more good to average songs and maybe one or two songs that are subpar. there won't be a 'Live Forever' or a 'Don't Look Back In Anger'. the guy's fucking old and way past his peak but he can still come up with good melodies. fuck, Oasis weren't that amazing after (What's the Story)Morning Glory?. they had some slight peaks but nothing like the first two albums. Noel or Liam aren't gonna get any better. this BE section will turn into like what Japanese shell shocked soldiers who weren't told World War II had ended and kept fighting a war that's been over for years. and of course all the girlie Noel vs. Liam fights will continue.... God bless. Fucking old? Come on, it's not like he's BB King or something Agree on everything else btw
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Post by squire on Oct 26, 2014 18:16:05 GMT -5
Noel's album will disappoint everyone who wants to be disappointed, just like how BE disappointed most who didn't like DGSS. it's pretty ridiculous. there's only about handful of people around here that aren't blinded by their prejudices. Noel's album will be ok....probably one or two great songs, more good to average songs and maybe one or two songs that are subpar. there won't be a 'Live Forever' or a 'Don't Look Back In Anger'. the guy's fucking old and way past his peak but he can still come up with good melodies. fuck, Oasis weren't that amazing after (What's the Story)Morning Glory?. they had some slight peaks but nothing like the first two albums. Noel or Liam aren't gonna get any better. this BE section will turn into like what Japanese shell shocked soldiers who weren't told World War II had ended and kept fighting a war that's been over for years. and of course all the girlie Noel vs. Liam fights will continue.... God bless. I disagree, there is every possibility CY will be a fantastic album, the best Noel's done in a long time. It's also possible the whole thing will be boring and uninspired. None of us really know how many great songs will be on it that's what makes it exciting! I completely agree with your point about prejudices though. I was disappointed by DGSS and delighted with BE (especially once I heard the extended tracks). Unfortunately a lot of fans are unwilling to listen to each new album/track with an open mind.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Oct 26, 2014 18:16:14 GMT -5
Noel's album will disappoint everyone who wants to be disappointed, just like how BE disappointed most who didn't like DGSS. it's pretty ridiculous. there's only about handful of people around here that aren't blinded by their prejudices. Noel's album will be ok....probably one or two great songs, more good to average songs and maybe one or two songs that are subpar. there won't be a 'Live Forever' or a 'Don't Look Back In Anger'. the guy's fucking old and way past his peak but he can still come up with good melodies. fuck, Oasis weren't that amazing after (What's the Story)Morning Glory?. they had some slight peaks but nothing like the first two albums. Noel or Liam aren't gonna get any better. this BE section will turn into like what Japanese shell shocked soldiers who weren't told World War II had ended and kept fighting a war that's been over for years. and of course all the girlie Noel vs. Liam fights will continue.... God bless. Fucking old? Come on, it's not like he's BB King or something Agree on everything else btw pushing 50 is old....sorry, kalas. fuck, i'm 37 and consider myself getting older. nothing associated with Oasis is young and hip or very rock and roll. and my neighbor's house blew up today, what. the. fuck. God bless.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 26, 2014 18:20:30 GMT -5
I didn't even say you said 'every'. You can say that about a lot of solo projects. If a new artist had released Thom Yorke's latest bleep bleep project do you think they would be making another album? A fraction of the people would have listened to it. Would the Johnny Marr's albums (and I like both) under an unknown banner do much? Again, what if this band wrote that or they wrote this. How is that relevant? You can turn that around with any band. A lot of music listeners might love flick of the finger if it was written by there favourite band but because Beady Eye wrote it and it involves Liam Gallagher they aint interested. There are deluded fans for all bands, it seems to me matt that you deem someone deluded if they don't share your opinion on Beady Eye as a third rate band. I've seen your posts about U2 and Coldplay and you defend them whatever the argument. Some might call you deluded. I wouldn't personally because you just seem to be a fan passionate about there music. Your last statement is quite clearly wrong. That implies it has nothing to do with music. Did you go see them? Meet and chat to the people going to the gigs? If you had you would realise what an incredibly silly thing it is to say. I think many can back me up as saying that is bullshit. I'm a fan of those bands, but not everything they've done is defensible. I saw them at T in the Park, thought they were pretty ordinary, the performance was fine but I can't remember half the songs - I didn't own BE so it was pretty much the first time I heard a lot of those songs - thought Soul Love was really good and I still do (as well as Flick of the Finger and Four Letter Word), but it seemed to me the only hardcore ones were the rowdy Liam lovers. Maybe they were just naturally agressive people - there's a lot of them here in Scotland - but from where I was standing, there was a general lack of interest. I totally realise that festivals never attract the most ruckus crowds, but from what I heard from friends who went to the 2012 festival, Noel totally blew away the audience in 2012 without any pretense and festival gigs gives an indication of how good a band's songs are when put to the casual listener. All I'm saying is, get the right songs and you'll get the right crowd. And Beady Eye seemed to agree with this - by inserting classic Oasis songs written by Noel, it was an admission that they had no confidence in the tunes they wrote. We're as noel played for 48 minutes in 2012 so couldve easily played all off HFB But he choose to play 6 oasis songs so I think on your debut tour using festivals to attract new fans is an admission he had no confidence in his newly creative material.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2014 18:27:31 GMT -5
I didn't even say you said 'every'. You can say that about a lot of solo projects. If a new artist had released Thom Yorke's latest bleep bleep project do you think they would be making another album? A fraction of the people would have listened to it. Would the Johnny Marr's albums (and I like both) under an unknown banner do much? Again, what if this band wrote that or they wrote this. How is that relevant? You can turn that around with any band. A lot of music listeners might love flick of the finger if it was written by there favourite band but because Beady Eye wrote it and it involves Liam Gallagher they aint interested. There are deluded fans for all bands, it seems to me matt that you deem someone deluded if they don't share your opinion on Beady Eye as a third rate band. I've seen your posts about U2 and Coldplay and you defend them whatever the argument. Some might call you deluded. I wouldn't personally because you just seem to be a fan passionate about there music. Your last statement is quite clearly wrong. That implies it has nothing to do with music. Did you go see them? Meet and chat to the people going to the gigs? If you had you would realise what an incredibly silly thing it is to say. I think many can back me up as saying that is bullshit. I'm a fan of those bands, but not everything they've done is defensible. I saw them at T in the Park, thought they were pretty ordinary, the performance was fine but I can't remember half the songs - I didn't own BE so it was pretty much the first time I heard a lot of those songs - thought Soul Love was really good and I still do (as well as Flick of the Finger and Four Letter Word), but it seemed to me the only hardcore ones were the rowdy Liam lovers. Maybe they were just naturally agressive people - there's a lot of them here in Scotland - but from where I was standing, there was a general lack of interest. I totally realise that festivals never attract the most ruckus crowds, but from what I heard from friends who went to the 2012 festival, Noel totally blew away the audience in 2012 without any pretense and festival gigs gives an indication of how good a band's songs are when put to the casual listener. All I'm saying is, get the right songs and you'll get the right crowd. And Beady Eye seemed to agree with this - by inserting classic Oasis songs written by Noel, it was an admission that they had no confidence in the tunes they wrote. I for one can attest that Matt has ripped into both Coldplay and U2 when appropriate. Especially U2 at times. Ironically we were both ripping into them days before they released the unexpected Songs of Innocence. A nice comeback for U2 after an abortion of an album in No Line On The Horizon.
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Post by footballdropout on Oct 26, 2014 18:42:01 GMT -5
Fucking old? Come on, it's not like he's BB King or something Agree on everything else btw pushing 50 is old....sorry, kalas. fuck, i'm 37 and consider myself getting older. nothing associated with Oasis is young and hip or very rock and roll. and my neighbor's house blew up today, what. the. fuck. God bless. Some will remember this as the weekend that Beady Eye broke up, I will remember it as the weekend that Let it Bleed nonchalantly announced that his neighbor's house had blown up.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 26, 2014 18:57:22 GMT -5
I think many can back me up as saying that is bullshit. I'm a fan of those bands, but not everything they've done is defensible. I saw them at T in the Park, thought they were pretty ordinary, the performance was fine but I can't remember half the songs - I didn't own BE so it was pretty much the first time I heard a lot of those songs - thought Soul Love was really good and I still do (as well as Flick of the Finger and Four Letter Word), but it seemed to me the only hardcore ones were the rowdy Liam lovers. Maybe they were just naturally agressive people - there's a lot of them here in Scotland - but from where I was standing, there was a general lack of interest. I totally realise that festivals never attract the most ruckus crowds, but from what I heard from friends who went to the 2012 festival, Noel totally blew away the audience in 2012 without any pretense and festival gigs gives an indication of how good a band's songs are when put to the casual listener. All I'm saying is, get the right songs and you'll get the right crowd. And Beady Eye seemed to agree with this - by inserting classic Oasis songs written by Noel, it was an admission that they had no confidence in the tunes they wrote. I for one can attest that Matt has ripped into both Coldplay and U2 when appropriate. Especially U2 at times. Ironically we were both ripping into them days before they released the unexpected Songs of Innocence. A nice comeback for U2 after an abortion of an album in No Line On The Horizon. When appropriate? Because his opinion coincides with your own. This is the point I'm making Lennon. I've seen some arguments about U2 and Coldplay and Matt has strongly defended them. There might be someone out there thinking he is a deluded super fan and just to clarify I don't think that myself. I'm really just saying that he should perhaps understand that this being the Beady Eye section and they having just split up there is quite a few disappointed people about. Running them down Ad nauseamseems a pointless pursuit. Saying that Beady Eye's fanbase is based on the band's image is also quite bizarre.
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Post by losingmyhead on Oct 26, 2014 18:59:43 GMT -5
I hope Noel doesn't disappoint... Noel's album will disappoint everyone who wants to be disappointed, just like how BE disappointed most who didn't like DGSS. it's pretty ridiculous. there's only about handful of people around here that aren't blinded by their prejudices. Noel's album will be ok....probably one or two great songs, more good to average songs and maybe one or two songs that are subpar. there won't be a 'Live Forever' or a 'Don't Look Back In Anger'. the guy's fucking old and way past his peak but he can still come up with good melodies. fuck, Oasis weren't that amazing after (What's the Story)Morning Glory?. they had some slight peaks but nothing like the first two albums. Noel or Liam aren't gonna get any better. this BE section will turn into like what Japanese shell shocked soldiers who weren't told World War II had ended and kept fighting a war that's been over for years.and of course all the girlie Noel vs. Liam fights will continue.... God bless. This post is full of wisdom. And the bolded section is the funniest and truest thing I've read in awhile. I'm sure the threads about Beady Eye's rare, misunderstood, unrecognized genius are already being composed.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2014 19:01:37 GMT -5
I for one can attest that Matt has ripped into both Coldplay and U2 when appropriate. Especially U2 at times. Ironically we were both ripping into them days before they released the unexpected Songs of Innocence. A nice comeback for U2 after an abortion of an album in No Line On The Horizon. When appropriate? Because his opinion coincides with your own. This is the point I'm making Lennon. I've seen some arguments about U2 and Coldplay and Matt has strongly defended them. There might be someone out there thinking he is a deluded super fan and just to clarify I don't think that myself. I'm really just saying that he should perhaps understand that this being the Beady Eye section and they having just split up there is quite a few disappointed people about. Running them down Ad nauseamseems a pointless pursuit. Saying that Beady Eye's fanbase is based on the band's image is also quite bizarre. Yeah.....when appropriate. For example, we both crushed the previous two albums by U2 and Coldplay (Mylo and No Line). Those deserved to be knocked.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 19:05:10 GMT -5
I think many can back me up as saying that is bullshit. I'm a fan of those bands, but not everything they've done is defensible. I saw them at T in the Park, thought they were pretty ordinary, the performance was fine but I can't remember half the songs - I didn't own BE so it was pretty much the first time I heard a lot of those songs - thought Soul Love was really good and I still do (as well as Flick of the Finger and Four Letter Word), but it seemed to me the only hardcore ones were the rowdy Liam lovers. Maybe they were just naturally agressive people - there's a lot of them here in Scotland - but from where I was standing, there was a general lack of interest. I totally realise that festivals never attract the most ruckus crowds, but from what I heard from friends who went to the 2012 festival, Noel totally blew away the audience in 2012 without any pretense and festival gigs gives an indication of how good a band's songs are when put to the casual listener. All I'm saying is, get the right songs and you'll get the right crowd. And Beady Eye seemed to agree with this - by inserting classic Oasis songs written by Noel, it was an admission that they had no confidence in the tunes they wrote. We're as noel played for 48 minutes in 2012 so couldve easily played all off HFB But he choose to play 6 oasis songs so I think on your debut tour using festivals to attract new fans is an admission he had no confidence in his newly creative material. He had the crowd on the palm of his hands from what I hear, some say he was better than The Stone Roses who followed - and quite a lot of the Oasis songs he played were ones which the casual listener had no idea about. And the thing is - it's HIS material and even live, his High Flying Birds tunes worked really well with the Oasis songs. I don't have a problem with Noel balancing old songs with new ones, but when you are singing songs written by someone who isn't part of your band? And that there is a huge gulf in quality between your own songs and the other person's songs? It's an indictment against your own songs. Thing is - Beady Eye had the opportunity to completely re-invent themselves and be a 'new band', just like what New Order did after Joy Division. The great thing is they stepped away from the large shadow of Joy Division and never looked back. Free from the shackles as they say. Beady Eye? They never took that opportunity - creating a new sound could have created new fans. I don't know what they were thinking trying to emulate the style and sound of Oasis on the first album. They tentatively tried a few things here and there on BE, but a lot of the other songs were again desperate attempts at emulating Oasis. What was it Andy Bell said about one of the songs - think it was I'm Just Saying? 'This is one for fans of Morning Glory' or something similar I remember reading. Thought you were a 'new band' Andy? I think Michael Stipe once said that 'a dog is still a dog even with three legs' when drummer Bill Berry left REM. Half the time with Beady Eye, it was more like a dog without a brain.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 26, 2014 19:11:19 GMT -5
I didn't even say you said 'every'. You can say that about a lot of solo projects. If a new artist had released Thom Yorke's latest bleep bleep project do you think they would be making another album? A fraction of the people would have listened to it. Would the Johnny Marr's albums (and I like both) under an unknown banner do much? Again, what if this band wrote that or they wrote this. How is that relevant? You can turn that around with any band. A lot of music listeners might love flick of the finger if it was written by there favourite band but because Beady Eye wrote it and it involves Liam Gallagher they aint interested. There are deluded fans for all bands, it seems to me matt that you deem someone deluded if they don't share your opinion on Beady Eye as a third rate band. I've seen your posts about U2 and Coldplay and you defend them whatever the argument. Some might call you deluded. I wouldn't personally because you just seem to be a fan passionate about there music. Your last statement is quite clearly wrong. That implies it has nothing to do with music. Did you go see them? Meet and chat to the people going to the gigs? If you had you would realise what an incredibly silly thing it is to say. I think many can back me up as saying that is bullshit. I'm a fan of those bands, but not everything they've done is defensible. I saw them at T in the Park, thought they were pretty ordinary, the performance was fine but I can't remember half the songs - I didn't own BE so it was pretty much the first time I heard a lot of those songs - thought Soul Love was really good and I still do (as well as Flick of the Finger and Four Letter Word), but it seemed to me the only hardcore ones were the rowdy Liam lovers. Maybe they were just naturally aggressive people - there's a lot of them here in Scotland - but from where I was standing, there was a general lack of interest. I totally realise that festivals never attract the most ruckus crowds, but from what I heard from friends who went to the 2012 festival, Noel totally blew away the audience in 2012 without any pretense and festival gigs gives an indication of how good a band's songs are when put to the casual listener. All I'm saying is, get the right songs and you'll get the right crowd. And Beady Eye seemed to agree with this - by inserting classic Oasis songs written by Noel, it was an admission that they had no confidence in the tunes they wrote. So you haven't seen them at one of there own gigs? So your assumption that the hardcore that go to see them are there because of image and are throwing piss and fighting is based on what exactly? I haven't seen it at there gigs. A festival crowd can be a pretty poor indicator of anything tbh. I've watched flat performances with a good crowd and good performances with a flat crowd. Lots of factors influence how a band is received at a festival. I don't know what to say about your last statement. I personally think its ridiculous. A man who I believe helped a great deal to make those songs as big as where wants to sing a couple of them, big deal. Is it really that crazy to think that Liam really enjoys singing them and thinks that the crowd (a massive chunk of which are probably Oasis fans)would like to hear a couple of them? It was only two songs, it didn't detract from the gig and they got a positive reaction for both BE and Oasis songs.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 19:17:34 GMT -5
I for one can attest that Matt has ripped into both Coldplay and U2 when appropriate. Especially U2 at times. Ironically we were both ripping into them days before they released the unexpected Songs of Innocence. A nice comeback for U2 after an abortion of an album in No Line On The Horizon. When appropriate? Because his opinion coincides with your own. This is the point I'm making Lennon. I've seen some arguments about U2 and Coldplay and Matt has strongly defended them. There might be someone out there thinking he is a deluded super fan and just to clarify I don't think that myself. I'm really just saying that he should perhaps understand that this being the Beady Eye section and they having just split up there is quite a few disappointed people about. Running them down Ad nauseamseems a pointless pursuit. Saying that Beady Eye's fanbase is based on the band's image is also quite bizarre. A deluded super fan is someone who defends everything that band has done, and I am quite open about the shite that both bands have spewed. Plus camps outside the singers gates every night. For a start, nobody is goading those who love Beady Eye. Nobody has said 'you SHOULDN'T like this band'. But it is an Oasis forum where we would all naturally have an interest in all things related, so anything is up for debate and argument on the band - and in this case, many of us are just giving our reasons why the band wasn't a success and where they went wrong. And for those upset? Cheer up, because: (A) we've got a whole new collection of songs from the heart and soul of Oasis himself, Noel. (B) There will be an inevitable Oasis reunion, whether we want it or not (I personally feel its needless but I think this is going to happen) (C) There is now an opportunity for Liam to do something else - some fascinating collaborations may be upcoming - the collaboration with Death In Vegas he did gives us optimism that more of this stuff could be down the line. (D) Gem and Andy can now achieve their retirement dream of opening a pub on the side of Lake Windermere.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 19:25:50 GMT -5
I think many can back me up as saying that is bullshit. I'm a fan of those bands, but not everything they've done is defensible. I saw them at T in the Park, thought they were pretty ordinary, the performance was fine but I can't remember half the songs - I didn't own BE so it was pretty much the first time I heard a lot of those songs - thought Soul Love was really good and I still do (as well as Flick of the Finger and Four Letter Word), but it seemed to me the only hardcore ones were the rowdy Liam lovers. Maybe they were just naturally aggressive people - there's a lot of them here in Scotland - but from where I was standing, there was a general lack of interest. I totally realise that festivals never attract the most ruckus crowds, but from what I heard from friends who went to the 2012 festival, Noel totally blew away the audience in 2012 without any pretense and festival gigs gives an indication of how good a band's songs are when put to the casual listener. All I'm saying is, get the right songs and you'll get the right crowd. And Beady Eye seemed to agree with this - by inserting classic Oasis songs written by Noel, it was an admission that they had no confidence in the tunes they wrote. So you haven't seen them at one of there own gigs? So your assumption that the hardcore that go to see them are there because of image and are throwing piss and fighting is based on what exactly? I haven't seen it at there gigs. A festival crowd can be a pretty poor indicator of anything tbh. I've watched flat performances with a good crowd and good performances with a flat crowd. Lots of factors influence how a band is received at a festival. I don't know what to say about your last statement. I personally think its ridiculous. A man who I believe helped a great deal to make those songs as big as where wants to sing a couple of them, big deal. Is it really that crazy to think that Liam really enjoys singing them and thinks that the crowd (a massive chunk of which are probably Oasis fans)would like to hear a couple of them? It was only two songs, it didn't detract from the gig and they got a positive reaction for both BE and Oasis songs. Come on, with fans like these, how can it 'not be about the image'.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 26, 2014 19:27:34 GMT -5
We're as noel played for 48 minutes in 2012 so couldve easily played all off HFB But he choose to play 6 oasis songs so I think on your debut tour using festivals to attract new fans is an admission he had no confidence in his newly creative material. He had the crowd on the palm of his hands from what I hear, some say he was better than The Stone Roses who followed - and quite a lot of the Oasis songs he played were ones which the casual listener had no idea about. And the thing is - it's HIS material and even live, his High Flying Birds tunes worked really well with the Oasis songs. I don't have a problem with Noel balancing old songs with new ones, but when you are singing songs written by someone who isn't part of your band? And that there is a huge gulf in quality between your own songs and the other person's songs? It's an indictment against your own songs. Thing is - Beady Eye had the opportunity to completely re-invent themselves and be a 'new band', just like what New Order did after Joy Division. The great thing is they stepped away from the large shadow of Joy Division and never looked back. Free from the shackles as they say. Beady Eye? They never took that opportunity - creating a new sound could have created new fans. I don't know what they were thinking trying to emulate the style and sound of Oasis on the first album. They tentatively tried a few things here and there on BE, but a lot of the other songs were again desperate attempts at emulating Oasis. What was it Andy Bell said about one of the songs - think it was I'm Just Saying? 'This is one for fans of Morning Glory' or something similar I remember reading. Thought you were a 'new band' Andy? I think Michael Stipe once said that 'a dog is still a dog even with three legs' when drummer Bill Berry left REM. Half the time with Beady Eye, it was more like a dog without a brain. Are you trying to seriously tell me that the casual listener who just got won over by noel Gallagher performance had never heard don't look back in anger, half the world away, whatever, little by little, and talk tonight?? They had no idea those about Those songs?? I find that very very strange where are you getting this information from? Obv except from your friends :/ Bdi did what they wanted to do . You seem to forget that noel left oasis to be free and push himself as an artist so beady eye did what they did and if it wasnt leaps and bounds so be it cos they didn't ask for the split. Noel how ever wanted to move on and thus far has barely has and still pulls out same out songs live
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Post by Rolo on Oct 26, 2014 19:32:03 GMT -5
Matt, you keep going on about how Beady Eye and Liam are stuck in the 60's and haven't tried to evolve yet you lick Noel's arse on a consistent basis? Beady Eye have tried to come out their comfort zone more than Noel has so far, the first HFB record was exactly what everyone expected from him.
I'm not saying I don't like Noel's album as I do, I think it's brilliant but it's unfair to say Beady Eye are 'stuck in the 60's' if you have a completely different opinion on Noel's approach.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 19:32:08 GMT -5
He had the crowd on the palm of his hands from what I hear, some say he was better than The Stone Roses who followed - and quite a lot of the Oasis songs he played were ones which the casual listener had no idea about. And the thing is - it's HIS material and even live, his High Flying Birds tunes worked really well with the Oasis songs. I don't have a problem with Noel balancing old songs with new ones, but when you are singing songs written by someone who isn't part of your band? And that there is a huge gulf in quality between your own songs and the other person's songs? It's an indictment against your own songs. Thing is - Beady Eye had the opportunity to completely re-invent themselves and be a 'new band', just like what New Order did after Joy Division. The great thing is they stepped away from the large shadow of Joy Division and never looked back. Free from the shackles as they say. Beady Eye? They never took that opportunity - creating a new sound could have created new fans. I don't know what they were thinking trying to emulate the style and sound of Oasis on the first album. They tentatively tried a few things here and there on BE, but a lot of the other songs were again desperate attempts at emulating Oasis. What was it Andy Bell said about one of the songs - think it was I'm Just Saying? 'This is one for fans of Morning Glory' or something similar I remember reading. Thought you were a 'new band' Andy? I think Michael Stipe once said that 'a dog is still a dog even with three legs' when drummer Bill Berry left REM. Half the time with Beady Eye, it was more like a dog without a brain. Are you trying to seriously tell me that the casual listener who just got won over by noel Gallagher performance had never heard don't look back in anger, half the world away, whatever, little by little, and talk tonight?? They had no idea those about Those songs?? I find that very very strange where are you getting this information from? Obv except from your friends :/ Bdi did what they wanted to do . You seem to forget that noel left oasis to be free and push himself as an artist so beady eye did what they did and if it wasnt leaps and bounds so be it cos they didn't ask for the split. Noel how ever wanted to move on and thus far has barely has and still pulls out same out songs live New Order was never planned either. By casual listener, I mean the casual observer of Oasis - most can only name a few tunes, and DLBIA is the only one there that everyone knows. Plus, many of the album tracks he played weren't well known. But he still pulled it off because they are quality songs that obviously reach out to folk.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 26, 2014 19:38:32 GMT -5
So you haven't seen them at one of there own gigs? So your assumption that the hardcore that go to see them are there because of image and are throwing piss and fighting is based on what exactly? I haven't seen it at there gigs. A festival crowd can be a pretty poor indicator of anything tbh. I've watched flat performances with a good crowd and good performances with a flat crowd. Lots of factors influence how a band is received at a festival. I don't know what to say about your last statement. I personally think its ridiculous. A man who I believe helped a great deal to make those songs as big as where wants to sing a couple of them, big deal. Is it really that crazy to think that Liam really enjoys singing them and thinks that the crowd (a massive chunk of which are probably Oasis fans)would like to hear a couple of them? It was only two songs, it didn't detract from the gig and they got a positive reaction for both BE and Oasis songs. Come on, with fans like these, how can it 'not be about the image'. Hahaha you must be joking. I may not agree with you often but I thought you had something between the ears. Yes Matt that one photo condemns an entire fanbase to only being interested in image.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 19:41:21 GMT -5
Matt, you keep going on about how Beady Eye and Liam are stuck in the 60's and haven't tried to evolve yet you lick Noel's arse on a consistent basis? Beady Eye have tried to come out their comfort zone more than Noel has so far, the first HFB record was exactly what everyone expected from him. I'm not saying I don't like Noel's album as I do, I think it's brilliant but it's unfair to say Beady Eye are 'stuck in the 60's' if you have a completely different opinion on Noel's approach. Noel's album has excellent songs - but I query the production like many here do as it, admittedly, doesn't sound so up to date. Beady Eye DON'T have excellent songs, and when you write songs in a conventional manner like Noel does, they need to be top top quality. There are only a handful of songwriters like Noel on the planet who can get away with it, Beady Eye try to do the same thing in writing conventional songs, but the finished product is just not there so why not mix up the songs a bit? Taking good little ideas here and there from their songs, and experimenting with an idea can make you more innovative. Again, I'll take some band like New Order - there are songs that aren't fully formed conventional tunes, buy they mix them up by experimenting instrumentally with them. Loops and samples and getting a real groove and such, and you've got something interesting. Beady Eye can't do the whole verse-chorus-verse-chorus-middle eight-chorus thing very well. So why not run wild with it?
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 26, 2014 19:42:34 GMT -5
So you haven't seen them at one of there own gigs? So your assumption that the hardcore that go to see them are there because of image and are throwing piss and fighting is based on what exactly? I haven't seen it at there gigs. A festival crowd can be a pretty poor indicator of anything tbh. I've watched flat performances with a good crowd and good performances with a flat crowd. Lots of factors influence how a band is received at a festival. I don't know what to say about your last statement. I personally think its ridiculous. A man who I believe helped a great deal to make those songs as big as where wants to sing a couple of them, big deal. Is it really that crazy to think that Liam really enjoys singing them and thinks that the crowd (a massive chunk of which are probably Oasis fans)would like to hear a couple of them? It was only two songs, it didn't detract from the gig and they got a positive reaction for both BE and Oasis songs. Come on, with fans like these, how can it 'not be about the image'. I asked earlier too so where have you seen piss being thrown at a bdi gig / fights etc as you were saying that portion of people must be bdi fans now? Also Fans of stuff like to emulate people because they like it so much if you think somebody wants to look like liam so much they'll like the music or like the music so wants to look like liam? The pic you got is that from a beady eye gig or just a random picture he could be a Coldplay fan you don't actually know or did you're friends tell you he was
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 19:43:31 GMT -5
Come on, with fans like these, how can it 'not be about the image'. Hahaha you must be joking. I may not agree with you often but I thought you had something between the ears. Yes Matt that one photo condemns an entire fanbase to only being interested in image. Come on, it's a joke. But you've got to admit, there are many Beady Eye fans who don't necessarily broaden their horizons. I know some, and its just basically Beady Eye and Kasabian they did. And shit NME promoted bands. Appealing to such narrow demographics is getting them nowhere - that's what my original post is about.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 26, 2014 19:43:47 GMT -5
Matt, you keep going on about how Beady Eye and Liam are stuck in the 60's and haven't tried to evolve yet you lick Noel's arse on a consistent basis? Beady Eye have tried to come out their comfort zone more than Noel has so far, the first HFB record was exactly what everyone expected from him. I'm not saying I don't like Noel's album as I do, I think it's brilliant but it's unfair to say Beady Eye are 'stuck in the 60's' if you have a completely different opinion on Noel's approach. Noel's album has excellent songs - but I query the production like many here do as it, admittedly, doesn't sound so up to date. Beady Eye DON'T have excellent songs, and when you write songs in a conventional manner like Noel does, they need to be top top quality. There are only a handful of songwriters like Noel on the planet who can get away with it, Beady Eye try to do the same thing in writing conventional songs, but the finished product is just not there so why not mix up the songs a bit? Taking good little ideas here and there from their songs, and experimenting with an idea can make you more innovative. Again, I'll take some band like New Order - there are songs that aren't fully formed conventional tunes, buy they mix them up by experimenting instrumentally with them. Loops and samples and getting a real groove and such, and you've got something interesting. Beady Eye can't do the whole verse-chorus-verse-chorus-middle eight-chorus thing very well. So why not run wild with it? I think they have excellent songs. Sorry.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 19:44:32 GMT -5
I feel like the monopoly man at the moment....
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