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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 26, 2014 11:16:16 GMT -5
Not gonna lie here, but as of writing this post, I still have not listened to a single BDI song. Not sure why. It might be that, even though they had a few good tunes, I never enjoyed the LAG written Oasis songs. I might actually start listening to BDI now.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 11:20:11 GMT -5
It's not difficult to find a competent guitarist - there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of better guitarists out there than Gem. Again, he's a nice guy and all, but he offered absolutely NOTHING to Oasis. So whats the point in teaming up with Noel? The High Flying Birds is a backing band, not a real band where the members help writing songs and stuff like that. So Gem's contribution in terms of creative input with songwriting in Oasis and in general doesn't really have much to say. Gem is a brilliant guitarist, he has a lot of "feel" in his playing. The fact that Noel in the late years of Oasis started to let him play many of the solos is an aknowledgement to his abilities. Andy may have been a technically better guitarist, but he still doesn't have the patos that Gem's playing has. I wish Gem had done more lead guitar for Beady Eye than he got to do, but he's also a great rythm guitarist. He also looks dead cool on stage when playing. For Noel adding Gem to his backing band would be a great addition, but for Liam I guess that would be really tough to see. It seems that Noel and Liam are on better terms now, but still, that would be hard I think. Still, Beady Eye has split up now, so why should Gem not be free to work with whoever he wants? Not to mention a friend like Noel. Because there seems to be an obsession with the past in terms of Oasis and their fans. It's time they stopped looking in the past for answers and actually looked to the future.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 11:25:15 GMT -5
Reading through the Beady Eye section of this Forum is like reading through an Anti BE/Oasis forum... To be brutally honest, that is the reason why they failed. If they couldn't get Oasis fans on board, then they were screwed from the start.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2014 11:29:08 GMT -5
Reading through the Beady Eye section of this Forum is like reading through an Anti BE/Oasis forum... To be brutally honest, that is the reason why they failed. If they couldn't get Oasis fans on board, then they were screwed from the start. It's amazing how the legions of Oasis fans didn't buy into Beady Eye. Liam Gallagher is a brand. Brand names usually sell.
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Post by Manualex on Oct 26, 2014 11:36:53 GMT -5
To be brutally honest, that is the reason why they failed. If they couldn't get Oasis fans on board, then they were screwed from the start. It's amazing how the legions of Oasis fans didn't buy into Beady Eye. Liam Gallagher is a brand. Brand names usually sell. I think a plum throwing a plum had to do with it.
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 11:40:08 GMT -5
To be brutally honest, that is the reason why they failed. If they couldn't get Oasis fans on board, then they were screwed from the start. It's amazing how the legions of Oasis fans didn't buy into Beady Eye. Liam Gallagher is a brand. Brand names usually sell. At the same time, a lot of Oasis fans are serious music fans - the majority of us are not, as stereotypically thought, parka wearing, mod haircut, shades wearing teens who are 'mad fer it'. We'll buy music on its own merits, rather than image.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2014 11:42:45 GMT -5
It's amazing how the legions of Oasis fans didn't buy into Beady Eye. Liam Gallagher is a brand. Brand names usually sell. At the same time, a lot of Oasis fans are serious music fans - the majority of us are not, as stereotypically thought, parka wearing, mod haircut, shades wearing teens who are 'mad fer it'. We'll buy music on its own merits, rather than image. I guess the same could be said about Zwan. Pumpkins fans didn't floak to that despite Billy Corgan writing throwback Classic rock tunes.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 26, 2014 11:48:05 GMT -5
At the same time, a lot of Oasis fans are serious music fans - the majority of us are not, as stereotypically thought, parka wearing, mod haircut, shades wearing teens who are 'mad fer it'. We'll buy music on its own merits, rather than image. I guess the same could be said about Zwan. Pumpkins fans didn't floak to that despite Billy Corgan writing throwback Classic rock tunes. And 'Chinese Democracy'... and that was still technically Guns N' Roses! Great album. Just not '17 years of waiting' great.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2014 11:53:56 GMT -5
I guess the same could be said about Zwan. Pumpkins fans didn't floak to that despite Billy Corgan writing throwback Classic rock tunes. And 'Chinese Democracy'... and that was still technically Guns N' Roses! Great album. Just not '17 years of waiting' great. Didn't Chinese Democracy sell like 6 million albums though? Compared to Beady Eyes total of 260,000 and Zwans 150,000 total.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Oct 26, 2014 11:59:17 GMT -5
yep it hurts really. I was one of the few here I think, that never wanted an Oasis reunion over a third Beady Eye album. It seemed that they just developed. DGSS was too quick and it was just Oasis stuff, that they wanted out, but was not good enough for Oasis, in Noels opinion. BE seemed alot more like an album and it seemed, that they started to work together and write together. I don't know, but it seems that Liam made that step and I think it was too soon. They had nothing to lose. They were in on of the biggest bands and with Beady Eye they had the freedom, that was not possible in Beady Eye, but before they used it properly (BE was a right step!) they break up. I don`t know.... I can remember how messed up and happy I was when the first Beady Eye teaser came out. And I really hate, that I bought a ticket for the show in Austria in october 2011, but it was one of the I think 3 shows during the DGSS tour, that was canceled. Hurts me erally, that I never got the chance to listen to Wigwam, Flick of the finger, world outside my room, Kill for a dream (THAT OUTRO!!), the morning son, four letter word, start anew, Iz Rite etc. live. I wasn`t that sad when Oasis broke up, although they changed my life, but Beady Eye seemed like a brave project, and I love how Liam, Gem, Andy and Chris seemed much younger during their interviews and how they had to fight with all the haters and Noel arselickers. they seemed like a cool gang and friends. Just like guys around the corner, although they were in one of the biggest bands before.
I will truly miss them and I don`t know if anything will excite me that much in the near future, although there are great bands out there, but Liam always had something special and hero-like in my eyes and ears.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Oct 26, 2014 12:06:07 GMT -5
I just carved a Tom Brady jack-o'-lantern; I might carve a BE one now...nipples and all. God bless. I haven't got the BE Jack-o'-lantern done yet...today's sunday house cleaning day and my neighbor's house blew up, so i'm a little behind schedule. hopefully I'll have the BE jack-o'-lantern done by Halloween. eva, how are you with a push broom and mop? God bless.
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Post by cigsandalc on Oct 26, 2014 12:08:10 GMT -5
And 'Chinese Democracy'... and that was still technically Guns N' Roses! Great album. Just not '17 years of waiting' great. Didn't Chinese Democracy sell like 6 million albums though? Compared to Beady Eyes total of 260,000 and Zwans 150,000 total. PLEASE not a comparison between Chinese Democracy and Beady Eye. Totally different circumstances! And if you compare it the DGSS Sales were a success instead of CD
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 26, 2014 12:10:28 GMT -5
And 'Chinese Democracy'... and that was still technically Guns N' Roses! Great album. Just not '17 years of waiting' great. Didn't Chinese Democracy sell like 6 million albums though? Compared to Beady Eyes total of 260,000 and Zwans 150,000 total. True, a few million were sold, but compared to previous efforts and such a large the drop was still pretty dramatic. As of 2012: Appetite For Destruction: 28 million sold GNR Lies: 10 million sold Use Your Illusion I: 17 million sold Use Your Illusion II: 18 million sold Chinese Democracy: 3 million sold Probably not a good comparison, ha
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Oct 26, 2014 12:17:32 GMT -5
chinese democracy is one of the most soul less albums in my ears. over produced with an army of guitar players, that maybe could have sounded interesting but were mixed down to death. Hell Axl even put out BRIAN FUCKING MAY`s guitar solo on one songs, I think "catcher in the rhye"? Velvet Revolver were a much better live band too. I know each to their own, but I was a big Guns n roses fan, but when I heard Chinese Democracy I lost every love for them^^
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Post by matt on Oct 26, 2014 12:21:57 GMT -5
I haven't got the BE Jack-o'-lantern done yet...today's sunday house cleaning day and my neighbor's house blew up, so i'm a little behind schedule. hopefully I'll have the BE jack-o'-lantern done by Halloween. eva, how are you with a push broom and mop? God bless. ?!?!?! Just another day in the life for LIB.
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Oct 26, 2014 12:24:09 GMT -5
R.I.P BIDI AH!!!!! BEST BAND EVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BIGGAH THAN THE BEAT-HA!!!!!! FUCK LENNON!!! FUCK MACCARTHY!!!! FOK FREE-MAN
CUM ON BIDI AH! CUM ON!!
Looks like the Beady Eye outtakes leak is imminent
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Post by mememe26 on Oct 26, 2014 12:26:39 GMT -5
There's somethin' major happened behind the scenes for this to happen I think. Big step splittin' a band up, they could have surely just took an extended break. Bass player will be delighted he quit Kasabian for Beady Eye now... Could Liam really be the root cause and that hard to work with?I don't think so, I think this has been Liams decision to split the band up for whatever reasons. There's somethin' major happened behind the scenes for this to happen I think. Big step splittin' a band up, they could have surely just took an extended break. Bass player will be delighted he quit Kasabian for Beady Eye now... Damn, forgot about him. That sucks. And they didn't tour much or for very long, so he didn't get much of a pay day at all.He won't be short of money, he's married to Ringo Starrs daughter! Not gonna lie here, but as of writing this post, I still have not listened to a single BDI song. Not sure why. It might be that, even though they had a few good tunes, I never enjoyed the LAG written Oasis songs. I might actually start listening to BDI now. That's pretty fuckin' strange. Not sure I even believe you to be honest.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Oct 26, 2014 12:45:05 GMT -5
I haven't got the BE Jack-o'-lantern done yet...today's sunday house cleaning day and my neighbor's house blew up, so i'm a little behind schedule. hopefully I'll have the BE jack-o'-lantern done by Halloween. eva, how are you with a push broom and mop? God bless. ?!?!?! Just another day in the life for LIB. crazy shit... God bless.
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Post by 17thjune on Oct 26, 2014 13:09:54 GMT -5
Gutted tbh. Hope the guys are back in music soon. Would love to see Heavy Stereo reform too!
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 26, 2014 13:12:46 GMT -5
chinese democracy is one of the most soul less albums in my ears. over produced with an army of guitar players, that maybe could have sounded interesting but were mixed down to death. Hell Axl even put out BRIAN FUCKING MAY`s guitar solo on one songs, I think "catcher in the rhye"? Velvet Revolver were a much better live band too. I know each to their own, but I was a big Guns n roses fan, but when I heard Chinese Democracy I lost every love for them^^ See, I really enjoyed it, however I do completely agree that it was poorly produced. For me this wasn't overly off putting, but it was disappointing that for an album that took about 15 years to complete, with a million very talented musicians on hand that the album was so reserved. The production has no grit and nothing sounded overly interesting. It has 14 songs, all of which are at least a minute too long, and the wrong songs were chosen. 'Oh My God' and 'Silkworms' should have easily made the final track list. Not to mention the other 50 songs they've sat on for over a decade. Yeah, Brian May's guitar solo was cut from the final version of the song, ha. I'm guessing it was replaced by either something Buckethead, Finck or Bumblefoot created. I still think there are a dozen very good songs on the album, namely, 'Chinese Democracy', 'Shackler's Revenge', 'Better', 'There Was A Time' and 'Madagascar'. The rest are a decent 7/10. The only thing being, they don't really sound like GN'R. More like 'Axl & Friends', which at the end of the, is what it is. Okay, enough GN'R. Back to Beady Eye
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 13:21:56 GMT -5
Beady, Beady, Beady Fucking Eye! here here brother, here here!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 13:23:34 GMT -5
also i know this may not be the popular opinion on here, but i truly believe that beady eye jumped the shark when they started performing oasis tunes live. right then and there, i knew they had had it.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Oct 26, 2014 13:24:59 GMT -5
chinese democracy is one of the most soul less albums in my ears. over produced with an army of guitar players, that maybe could have sounded interesting but were mixed down to death. Hell Axl even put out BRIAN FUCKING MAY`s guitar solo on one songs, I think "catcher in the rhye"? Velvet Revolver were a much better live band too. I know each to their own, but I was a big Guns n roses fan, but when I heard Chinese Democracy I lost every love for them^^ See, I really enjoyed it, however I do completely agree that it was poorly produced. For me this wasn't overly off putting, but it was disappointing that for an album that took about 15 years to complete, with a million very talented musicians on hand that the album was so reserved. The production has no grit and nothing sounded overly interesting. It has 14 songs, all of which are at least a minute too long, and the wrong songs were chosen. 'Oh My God' and 'Silkworms' should have easily made the final track list. Not to mention the other 50 songs they've sat on for over a decade. Yeah, Brian May's guitar solo was cut from the final version of the song, ha. I'm guessing it was replaced by either something Buckethead, Finck or Bumblefoot created. I still think there are a dozen very good songs on the album, namely, 'Chinese Democracy', 'Shackler's Revenge', 'Better', 'There Was A Time' and 'Madagascar'. The rest are a decent 7/10. The only thing being, they don't really sound like GN'R. More like 'Axl & Friends', which at the end of the, is what it is. Okay, enough GN'R. Back to Beady Eye I get your point . it could have been much better, cause the ground would have been there. but yes the waiting time made the hopes very high.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 26, 2014 13:27:46 GMT -5
Beady, Beady, Beady Fucking Eye! here here brother, here here!! such an amazing gig i stayed up to watch the live stream, then they repeated it straight away after so stayed up longer and watched it again there was a random american women on the chat bar thing on the side who didn't even know oasis and she loved it, but she kept saying i love it but i just want to cut his hair haha
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Oct 26, 2014 13:28:54 GMT -5
it was a bad decision to play Oasis tunes, especially noel tunes! when they could have gone through with it, during the DGSS era, when they needed more live material, I wolud have thought ok... but it was great, that they didn`t! the best idea to form their own identity. Then they put out a really great effort with BE and start playing oasis songs by Noel, which had really a completely different feeling to it. If they needed to play Oasis songs, they should have focused on the psychedelic darker ones liek Gas Panic, turn up the sun, to be where there`s life, the turning etc., because they would have fitted more into the set between songs like "soon comes tomorrow", "flick of the finger", "soul love" etc. But "Rock n roll star" or "cigs and alcohol" just seemed out of place in the set. different band, different era and different style. too bad it was a sign of weakness. It was sure fun to hear them, but they should have stayed proud to their own stuff.
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