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Post by rupertg on Oct 25, 2014 23:07:40 GMT -5
An announced on Twitter?
Seriously? It reminds me of this:
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Post by Sternumman on Oct 26, 2014 1:39:49 GMT -5
A Liam solo album will be no better than a Beady Eye album. He's a good front man and that's it. His songs suck. I'm enjoying Noel's solo stuff and I could care less about Liam. He ruined his voice and he offers nothing without his brother. Period How much less could you care? [ Well Noel has only toured once solo. Let's see what he does next time out. I'd expect less oasis songs. Plus many of the oasis song he did play were not often featured in Oasis sets (It's good to be free, talk tonight, half the world away, etc). Those weren played in America for example in 20 years. Meanwhile Oasis always played the same songs like rock n roll star, cigs and alcohol, morning glory, wonderwall, etc. those also happened to be the same exact songs beady eye would play. im not sure what relevance u.s setlist have to anything? You know as a fan that noel has played IGTBF, TT, HTWA at least at 3 TCT gigs, the STC acoustic tour, and many Uk and Jap gigs so for him to play those (and other songs he played often with oasis) isn't pushing himself as a live artist. Noel had 13-15 HFB songs, and then another 18 track AA album finished, which he could've taken other songs from, not just Freaky Teeth, then pulled out some oasis live rarities than would've pushed himself as an live artist not playing songs he done many many times before. So he played those songs a total of 15 times previously. The difference between an Oasis show and a NGHFB show was even when Oasis debuted an album they only played 20 songs live. About 15 were the same songs they played in a continual loop for years with only five new songs from the album. Solo he played more than half NGHFB songs. The AA songs I wouldnt expect him to break those out live. One song ok but to play four or five songs live that nobody heard is a great way to kill a crowd.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 26, 2014 3:37:07 GMT -5
A Liam solo album will be no better than a Beady Eye album. He's a good front man and that's it. His songs suck. I'm enjoying Noel's solo stuff and I could care less about Liam. He ruined his voice and he offers nothing without his brother. Period How much less could you care? [ im not sure what relevance u.s setlist have to anything? You know as a fan that noel has played IGTBF, TT, HTWA at least at 3 TCT gigs, the STC acoustic tour, and many Uk and Jap gigs so for him to play those (and other songs he played often with oasis) isn't pushing himself as a live artist. Noel had 13-15 HFB songs, and then another 18 track AA album finished, which he could've taken other songs from, not just Freaky Teeth, then pulled out some oasis live rarities than would've pushed himself as an live artist not playing songs he done many many times before. So he played those songs a total of 15 times previously. The difference between an Oasis show and a NGHFB show was even when Oasis debuted an album they only played 20 songs live. About 15 were the same songs they played in a continual loop for years with only five new songs from the album. Solo he played more than half NGHFB songs. The AA songs I wouldnt expect him to break those out live. One song ok but to play four or five songs live that nobody heard is a great way to kill a crowd. You said yourself he only played 1/2 his HFB catalogue this was his debut solo album you'd think he would have more faith in the material, as a solo artist freeing himself to then to drop 1/2 of it. If he wanted to use oasis material why use songs you've played many times before? This is in reference to artist pushing themselves remember I didn't say play 5 brand new AA songs but 1-2-3 would be ok. But the bigger point you make is that (5 songs +) would kill the crowds which were majority of the time rubbish because they wanted oasis songs and outside of maybe the singles of HFB they didn't know the music.
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Post by galli198 on Oct 26, 2014 4:42:20 GMT -5
Im pretty sure Liam, Gem, Andy and Chris thought Noel would calm down after a few years, do his long awaited solo record and come back. The boys waited for Noel!!
It was unfortunate for Beady Eye that they never really took off commercially -
Noels first record/tour on the other hand were pretty successfull, maybe Noel himself didnt expext that.
After that Noel knew that he doesnt need Oasis to earn enough money and finance his lifestyle!! (Noel does a lot of jokes but he is also a business man, he always said if he would be really skint he would reunite oasis. He has kids, a wife, london is really expensive. ), plus he always had the back door of an oasis reunion.
After that success Noel decided to do a second solo album and the BE boys finally realized that there wont be an oasis reunion and Noel wont come back.
I think Noel and Liam talked about that, Noel said they are on good terms and his decision is just artistically.
So there was no reason for the former oasis members to stay together and wait for Noel. Noel made his final call.
Another hint for this theory is that Jay Mehler joined Beady Eye. Kasabian are way bigger than Beady Eye ever have been, I think everyone told him and was expecting that Noel would come back after one solo record and they could reunite Oasis for one them anniversaries (2014/15/16/17)
Nobody knows what will happen next.
I hope liam forms a new band and collaborates with some fresh faces and tries new styles of sound.
Cheers
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Post by cigsandalc on Oct 26, 2014 5:35:45 GMT -5
Reading through the Beady Eye section of this Forum is like reading through an Anti BE/Oasis forum...
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Post by shoreline on Oct 26, 2014 6:20:42 GMT -5
It's not difficult to find a competent guitarist - there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of better guitarists out there than Gem. Again, he's a nice guy and all, but he offered absolutely NOTHING to Oasis. So whats the point in teaming up with Noel? The High Flying Birds is a backing band, not a real band where the members help writing songs and stuff like that. So Gem's contribution in terms of creative input with songwriting in Oasis and in general doesn't really have much to say. Gem is a brilliant guitarist, he has a lot of "feel" in his playing. The fact that Noel in the late years of Oasis started to let him play many of the solos is an aknowledgement to his abilities. Andy may have been a technically better guitarist, but he still doesn't have the patos that Gem's playing has. I wish Gem had done more lead guitar for Beady Eye than he got to do, but he's also a great rythm guitarist. He also looks dead cool on stage when playing. For Noel adding Gem to his backing band would be a great addition, but for Liam I guess that would be really tough to see. It seems that Noel and Liam are on better terms now, but still, that would be hard I think. Still, Beady Eye has split up now, so why should Gem not be free to work with whoever he wants? Not to mention a friend like Noel.
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Post by shoreline on Oct 26, 2014 6:34:46 GMT -5
I said it almost two years ago. Once Beady Eye started playing Noel written Oasis songs it would be their doom. To me that was a desperation play and it cheapened their potential product in the end. I'd much rather they forge their own path with their own songs. It only gives more credibility to their new identity. I agree. For a band wanting to stand on they're own feet, creating a new identity and create distance to their past, it was a bad move. Still, it may also have helped them sell more tickets in the short term, though undermining the project in the long run. For me who never got the chance to see Oasis play, it was an amazing experience to see Beady Eye perform Rock 'N' Roll Star and Morning Glory in Glasgow. It's the closest I'll ever get to see oasis. To watch Liam Gallagher sing those song with his snarl and patos just 10+meters from me was a memory I will always remember and cherish. In terms of attracting new fans and creating a different public identity it was a bad move, but for the 1000 people (including me) in the O2 ABC it didn't matter there and then. It was a night to remember, a massive singalong and great experience. People in the front especially went crazy. I was jumping up and down and having a great time. Bad for the band in the long run, but for the people present at the gigs it was great. Anyway, what I never understood, is if they first started playing Oasis songs, why didn't they play the LAG-songs? Seems really strange to me. It would be a great opportunity to showcase that the trio actually contributed some great songs to Oasis. I'm Outta Time, Turn Up The Sun, Songbird, The Boy With The Blues, why couldn't we hear those songs be played? "Ok, we're going to start playing Oasis songs, but just those we didn't write ourselves". I don't get it. Sure, the Noel-penned songs are the most popular and well known, but why did they stay away from the LAG-songs?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 6:42:45 GMT -5
even though they didn't come here for the abbreviated 'be' tour, i feel fortunate that i got to see them perform live not once, but twice during the dgss tour. thank you liam, gem, andy and chris for the great music and great memories.
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Post by Moorish on Oct 26, 2014 6:48:05 GMT -5
Another hint for this theory is that Jay Mehler joined Beady Eye. Kasabian are way bigger than Beady Eye ever have been, I think everyone told him and was expecting that Noel would come back after one solo record and they could reunite Oasis for one them anniversaries (2014/15/16/17) Makes no sense -why would Mehler join Beady Eye on the off-chance that Noel reforms Oasis? If Oasis get back together than Andy Bell is back on bass and Mehler is out of a job. He wouldn't suddenly get to be in Oasis playing with Noel. There would be no need for him.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 26, 2014 6:53:41 GMT -5
Indeed. Mehler wasn't part of Oasis. This makes no sense at all, wtf.
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Post by UGHF on Oct 26, 2014 7:04:26 GMT -5
Hope not. Noel needs to stay away from anything associated with mediocrity. I'm sorry, but Gem and Andy just do not cut the mustard. The pair of them were stuck in the 1970s and the dad rock was embarrassing. So uncool. The fact that even a forward thinking producer like Dave Sitek couldn't drag them from their 1960s/70s rut suggested a serious lack of talent. They're both really nice guys but they didn't offer anything to Oasis. They may be more competent musicians than Bonehead and Guigsy, but that didn't stop live performances declining massively from the 90s high point. I think this split is a good thing. The band were well past their sell by date and didn't get with the times. Whoa. We normally agree, but not here. Gem is far from mediocre. He's as genuine and effortlessly cool as one can get. And he's a solid guitar player, too - much better than the current bloke in NGHFB who managed to fuck up even the LBL guitar solo..... Gem is a real asset to Noel. I have to agree with matt
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Post by gdforever on Oct 26, 2014 7:22:52 GMT -5
How much less could you care? [ So he played those songs a total of 15 times previously. The difference between an Oasis show and a NGHFB show was even when Oasis debuted an album they only played 20 songs live. About 15 were the same songs they played in a continual loop for years with only five new songs from the album. Solo he played more than half NGHFB songs. The AA songs I wouldnt expect him to break those out live. One song ok but to play four or five songs live that nobody heard is a great way to kill a crowd. You said yourself he only played 1/2 his HFB catalogue this was his debut solo album you'd think he would have more faith in the material, as a solo artist freeing himself to then to drop 1/2 of it. If he wanted to use oasis material why use songs you've played many times before? This is in reference to artist pushing themselves remember I didn't say play 5 brand new AA songs but 1-2-3 would be ok. But the bigger point you make is that (5 songs +) would kill the crowds which were majority of the time rubbish because they wanted oasis songs and outside of maybe the singles of HFB they didn't know the music. He didn't just play half. He played everything on his first album but STC. So 9/10 not half. Plus I think every b-side/extra track other than IPYET and Alone on the Rope. So he released something like 15 songs and played 12 of them live. Plus 1 he hadn't even released. I'd say that's pretty good. So he used the Oasis songs to make the gig 90 minutes instead of only being just over an hour. He did start to loosen up on the Oasis tunes towards the end as he became more secure. FFS he played Angel Child and Idlers Dream live towards the end. If that isn't stretching your live catalogue to play tunes you NEVER PLAYED LIVE BEFORE. Then so don't know what is. Oasis would never have done that. Heck Noel would never have done that on his little acoustic shows. No he didn't spring out as a solo artist way different from what he was in Oasis but he definitely grew a bit through the tour in comfort on stage and willingness to be a bit more unique with his setlist.
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Post by Rolo on Oct 26, 2014 7:26:27 GMT -5
Very very sad, BE was without a doubt one of the best albums to come out last year and DGSS had it's moments (Four Letter Word, The Roller, Wigwam, The Morning Son, World Outside My Room), all top quality songs. Live they were one of the best bands around as well, saw them 8 times and preferred it to seeing Oasis, so much energy and one hell of an atmosphere.
It was obviously Liam's decision was one that I'm sure that he's been thinking about for ages now as we haven't heard anything from Beady Eye for months and months. I'm sure Liam has something he has his eye on, hopefully we get a solo album off him, I really believe with a bit of help off others he could make a fantastic record.
Although I am pretty upset with the break up of Beady Eye, as long as I hear Liam Gallagher (You know, the one who was the lead singer of our favourite band? I think some of you idiots have forgot that) carrying on singing I'll be happy.
Wish Gem and Andy the best of luck as well.
Beady, Beady, Beady Fucking Eye!
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Post by spud on Oct 26, 2014 7:26:36 GMT -5
Find it massively unlikely that Liam would ever go solo.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 26, 2014 7:28:30 GMT -5
You said yourself he only played 1/2 his HFB catalogue this was his debut solo album you'd think he would have more faith in the material, as a solo artist freeing himself to then to drop 1/2 of it. If he wanted to use oasis material why use songs you've played many times before? This is in reference to artist pushing themselves remember I didn't say play 5 brand new AA songs but 1-2-3 would be ok. But the bigger point you make is that (5 songs +) would kill the crowds which were majority of the time rubbish because they wanted oasis songs and outside of maybe the singles of HFB they didn't know the music. He didn't just play half. He played everything on his first album but STC. So 9/10 not half. Plus I think every b-side/extra track other than IPYET and Alone on the Rope. So he released something like 15 songs and played 12 of them live. Plus 1 he hadn't even released. I'd say that's pretty good. So he used the Oasis songs to make the gig 90 minutes instead of only being just over an hour. He did start to loosen up on the Oasis tunes towards the end as he became more secure. FFS he played Angel Child and Idlers Dream live towards the end. If that isn't stretching your love catalogue to play tunes you NEVER PLAYED LIVE BEFORE. Then so don't know what is. Oasis would never have done that. Heck Noel would never have done that on his little acoustic shows. No he didn't spring out as a solo artist way different from what he was in Oasis but he definitely grew a bit through the tour in comfort on stage and willingness to be a bit more unique with his setlist. why dont you read the thread before replying i was just replying to him replying to what i was saying elsewhere, which was in different context to how he took it and wasn't going to repeat everything i said again
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 26, 2014 7:33:47 GMT -5
Maybe she quoted the wrong one, but her point still stands and I agree with gdforever.
Seriously, I don't know what some people here were expecting Noel to do.
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Post by jordan71421 on Oct 26, 2014 7:34:05 GMT -5
Just blasted Start Anew on my way to work and it hit me we won't be hearing any more songs like this, that have that LAG touch. I hope I get to hear Liam's voice on a song again sometime in the future.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 26, 2014 7:46:48 GMT -5
Maybe she quoted the wrong one, but her point still stands and I agree with gdforever. Seriously, I don't know what some people here were expecting Noel to do. Yes but the point i was making yesterday wasn't disagreeing with anything that she's said at all and i even mentioned it was great when he played idlers dream and angel child. My point was playing the exact same songs he'd played over and over with oasis wasn't pushing himself as an artist when he had lots of other oasis songs and his own songs he could've played. This fact does become mute when you take out the 90 minutes set. When he played with snow patrol near the end of the tour he didn't do a full set (60-70 mins 14 song sets?) and and he still did 1/2 the set of the same oasis tunes he's been doing for years, he even dropped HFB tracks but kept oasis one. So again my point was he wasn't pushing himself as an artist which was relevant to context of what was being said (which obv irrelevant now)
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 26, 2014 7:51:51 GMT -5
Find it massively unlikely that Liam would ever go solo. I think people underestimate how much the other band members added to Liam's songs. All I can see him do is strum the guitar, write a half decent melody for the verse, write some pretty childish lyrics, and instead of a chorus just chant the same line over again through the outro. A solo album would be pretty poor IMO without him having someone to help him with the arrangements.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 26, 2014 7:54:52 GMT -5
Reading through the Beady Eye section of this Forum is like reading through an Anti BE/Oasis forum...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 8:01:54 GMT -5
Maybe she quoted the wrong one, but her point still stands and I agree with gdforever. Seriously, I don't know what some people here were expecting Noel to do. Yes but the point i was making yesterday wasn't disagreeing with anything that she's said at all and i even mentioned it was great when he played idlers dream and angel child. My point was playing the exact same songs he'd played over and over with oasis wasn't pushing himself as an artist when he had lots of other oasis songs and his own songs he could've played. This fact does become mute when you take out the 90 minutes set. When he played with snow patrol near the end of the tour he didn't do a full set (60-70 mins 14 song sets?) and and he still did 1/2 the set of the same oasis tunes he's been doing for years, he even dropped HFB tracks but kept oasis one. So again my point was he wasn't pushing himself as anartist which was relevant to context of what was being said (which obv irrelevant now) It was good to hear idler and Angel , but I see your point , my major complaint about Oasis live pist 2000 and noel picked the setlist or most of it anyway ,was it was like playing a record , one of the great things about seeing springsteen , he would play multiple nights in jersey , like 6-10 sold out performances , play for hours and no set was alike , he changed up stretched his catalogue , I never seen oasis or noel do that , part of blame if not all has to fall onTHE CHIEF NO ? I mean he has so many b sides it would have been refreshing to see him in NYC play some when they played beacon multiple nights instead of same setlist note for note , then when I went to Philly , Boston , here the exact list again ..point is noel was never known for stretching his artistic pattern be it live or on record , maybe he started with last tour and pattern will continue , would be cool
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2014 8:04:06 GMT -5
I said it almost two years ago. Once Beady Eye started playing Noel written Oasis songs it would be their doom. To me that was a desperation play and it cheapened their potential product in the end. I'd much rather they forge their own path with their own songs. It only gives more credibility to their new identity. I agree. For a band wanting to stand on they're own feet, creating a new identity and create distance to their past, it was a bad move. Still, it may also have helped them sell more tickets in the short term, though undermining the project in the long run. For me who never got the chance to see Oasis play, it was an amazing experience to see Beady Eye perform Rock 'N' Roll Star and Morning Glory in Glasgow. It's the closest I'll ever get to see oasis. To watch Liam Gallagher sing those song with his snarl and patos just 10+meters from me was a memory I will always remember and cherish. In terms of attracting new fans and creating a different public identity it was a bad move, but for the 1000 people (including me) in the O2 ABC it didn't matter there and then. It was a night to remember, a massive singalong and great experience. People in the front especially went crazy. I was jumping up and down and having a great time. Bad for the band in the long run, but for the people present at the gigs it was great. Anyway, what I never understood, is if they first started playing Oasis songs, why didn't they play the LAG-songs? Seems really strange to me. It would be a great opportunity to showcase that the trio actually contributed some great songs to Oasis. I'm Outta Time, Turn Up The Sun, Songbird, The Boy With The Blues, why couldn't we hear those songs be played? "Ok, we're going to start playing Oasis songs, but just those we didn't write ourselves". I don't get it. Sure, the Noel-penned songs are the most popular and well known, but why did they stay away from the LAG-songs? That's the $64,000 question.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 26, 2014 8:19:40 GMT -5
This is the most press Beady Eye have gotten since announcing their debut record. Shame it has to be in a negative light when the band is no more. Should have shown the spotlight before "BE" came out.
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Post by Sternumman on Oct 26, 2014 8:21:56 GMT -5
How much less could you care? [ So he played those songs a total of 15 times previously. The difference between an Oasis show and a NGHFB show was even when Oasis debuted an album they only played 20 songs live. About 15 were the same songs they played in a continual loop for years with only five new songs from the album. Solo he played more than half NGHFB songs. The AA songs I wouldnt expect him to break those out live. One song ok but to play four or five songs live that nobody heard is a great way to kill a crowd. You said yourself he only played 1/2 his HFB catalogue this was his debut solo album you'd think he would have more faith in the material, as a solo artist freeing himself to then to drop 1/2 of it. If he wanted to use oasis material why use songs you've played many times before? This is in reference to artist pushing themselves remember I didn't say play 5 brand new AA songs but 1-2-3 would be ok. But the bigger point you make is that (5 songs +) would kill the crowds which were majority of the time rubbish because they wanted oasis songs and outside of maybe the singles of HFB they didn't know the music. Maybe I didnt write it clearly enough. I meant during the set he played about half Oasis songs and half NGHFB songs. Half of a 20 song set is 10 NGHFB songs.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 26, 2014 8:23:10 GMT -5
Yes but the point i was making yesterday wasn't disagreeing with anything that she's said at all and i even mentioned it was great when he played idlers dream and angel child. My point was playing the exact same songs he'd played over and over with oasis wasn't pushing himself as an artist when he had lots of other oasis songs and his own songs he could've played. This fact does become mute when you take out the 90 minutes set. When he played with snow patrol near the end of the tour he didn't do a full set (60-70 mins 14 song sets?) and and he still did 1/2 the set of the same oasis tunes he's been doing for years, he even dropped HFB tracks but kept oasis one. So again my point was he wasn't pushing himself as anartist which was relevant to context of what was being said (which obv irrelevant now) It was good to hear idler and Angel , but I see your point , my major complaint about Oasis live pist 2000 and noel picked the setlist or most of it anyway ,was it was like playing a record , one of the great things about seeing springsteen , he would play multiple nights in jersey , like 6-10 sold out performances , play for hours and no set was alike , he changed up stretched his catalogue , I never seen oasis or noel do that , part of blame if not all has to fall onTHE CHIEF NO ? I mean he has so many b sides it would have been refreshing to see him in NYC play some when they played beacon multiple nights instead of same setlist note for note , then when I went to Philly , Boston , here the exact list again ..point is noel was never known for stretching his artistic pattern be it live or on record , maybe he started with last tour and pattern will continue , would be cool Exactly even weller the same even if its 4 songs a set it mixes things up. I know Noels reasoning behind that was well fans be gutted if another venue gots songs they didn't see but like you say he started it towards end of tour so hopefully will carry on. I personally find it schizophrenic that people bang on how boring oasis were 00's onwards playing static GH sets (even tho 08-09 they sold more tickets than any other tour), but they then justify noel playing static sets with basically his GH which fans heard him play several times over. He could broadened his horizons in my opinion Also like i mentioned before people always justify the amount of oasis songs due to set lengths but festivals and the co headline tour when sets were much shorter he pulled some of the new HFB songs he was promoting out and still played those oasis ones, surely he should've just played HFB and then maybe 1-2 oasis. Like i said yesterday i think 2-3 oasis songs this time prob right 2 fan pleasers then a rarity if anything but if nothing then great.
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