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Yeezus
Mar 25, 2014 8:18:01 GMT -5
Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 25, 2014 8:18:01 GMT -5
My favorite song on Yeezus remains "Hold My Liquor".  |
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Yeezus
Mar 25, 2014 8:22:31 GMT -5
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Post by Sternumman on Mar 25, 2014 8:22:31 GMT -5
His lyrics? I highly doubt that, he isn't even in the top 10 rappers currently in the industry/charts. Kanye is shite and so is Yeezus. I can't disagree about the lyrics. A lot of them are shit. But it was also one of my favorite albums of the year. I haven't heard those other albums you listed because I don't listen to that much rap but I thought it was one of the best produced albums I've heard in a long time. |
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Yeezus
Mar 25, 2014 8:24:30 GMT -5
Post by alcohollemonhaze on Mar 25, 2014 8:24:30 GMT -5
Yeezus is pretty great. Not better than his previous one though. That one will be tough to beat. Nice to see Kanye do some dark rap in vain of Death Grips, Odd Future, ect and doing it better. Daft Punk's work on the album is fabulous and for the most part is more interesting than the album they just put out. Kanye is a douche, but I respect his music and his attitude. Props for him calling out Jay-Z and his cooperate buddies. for all the bullshit in the press about him, from calling george bush a racist, to upstaging T-Swift, and having a kid with Kim, I do think he wants to take a step back from all that shit and just keep it basic by just focusing on doing music. He's always been a dick, but a lot of people misunderstand him and I'll take Kanye's bravado, production, and limited rapping skills over Eminem's whining voice and micky-mouse flow. Very surprised to read that from you Cast, I usually agree with most of your posts on many different artists but this one I'm gobsmacked by, tbh. Each to their own i suppose, but i'd take Eminem over Kanye anyday of the week. Micky mouse flow?!?!  To me rap music is about the rapping first and foremost, and Eminem is streets ahead of Kanye in that respect. That now a days too, if we consider Eminem's early albums then its a no contest. Knock out victory for Shady. This. |
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Yeezus
Mar 25, 2014 8:26:44 GMT -5
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Post by Sternumman on Mar 25, 2014 8:26:44 GMT -5
I don't even know if I could identify one Kayne song but I'm very aware of him...great marketing/advertising. . Have you seen the Wolf of Wall Street trailer? |
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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 25, 2014 8:35:03 GMT -5
J His lyrics? I highly doubt that, he isn't even in the top 10 rappers currently in the industry/charts. Kanye is shite and so is Yeezus. I can't disagree about the lyrics. A lot of them are shit. But it was also one of my favorite albums of the year. I haven't heard those other albums you listed because I don't listen to that much rap but I thought it was one of the best produced albums I've heard in a long time. ha ha this is brilliant. He is rapper and lot of his lyrics are shit. Then what he have? Good melodies, he is great songwriter? Ha ha ha. The only thing is production and that is just because he has money for best studios ans producers. Fuck that idiot he is not even average, he is untalented bastard. Calling him genius is just... |
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Post by eva on Mar 25, 2014 9:07:58 GMT -5
and he should be given some credit for fucking Kim Kardashian...I'd never wanna talk to her or have any kind of relationship with her but I'd love to fuck her. that's hardly an achievement |
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Yeezus
Mar 25, 2014 9:20:23 GMT -5
Post by Let It🩸 on Mar 25, 2014 9:20:23 GMT -5
I don't even know if I could identify one Kayne song but I'm very aware of him...great marketing/advertising. . Have you seen the Wolf of Wall Street trailer? yeah, i've seen some sort of preview for it. God bless. |
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Yeezus
Mar 25, 2014 12:50:12 GMT -5
Post by Cast on Mar 25, 2014 12:50:12 GMT -5
Yeezus is pretty great. Not better than his previous one though. That one will be tough to beat. Nice to see Kanye do some dark rap in vain of Death Grips, Odd Future, ect and doing it better. Daft Punk's work on the album is fabulous and for the most part is more interesting than the album they just put out. Kanye is a douche, but I respect his music and his attitude. Props for him calling out Jay-Z and his cooperate buddies. for all the bullshit in the press about him, from calling george bush a racist, to upstaging T-Swift, and having a kid with Kim, I do think he wants to take a step back from all that shit and just keep it basic by just focusing on doing music. He's always been a dick, but a lot of people misunderstand him and I'll take Kanye's bravado, production, and limited rapping skills over Eminem's whining voice and micky-mouse flow. Very surprised to read that from you Cast, I usually agree with most of your posts on many different artists but this one I'm gobsmacked by, tbh. Each to their own i suppose, but i'd take Eminem over Kanye anyday of the week. Micky mouse flow?!?! To me rap music is about the rapping first and foremost, and Eminem is streets ahead of Kanye in that respect. That now a days too, if we consider Eminem's early albums then its a no contest. Knock out victory for Shady. Hahaha I'll admit I'm a bit of an Eminem hater WirralRiddler. Fair enough it is good to have disagreements over music sometimes  No doubt Eminem is miles ahead of Kanye in terms of flow and rapping skill, but I just can't get into him at all besides a few singles. Dude did a lot for the rap game and will go down as being one of the best but he just doesn't click for me for whatever reason. Eminem is easily better than Kanye in terms of just rapping talent but Kanye is a better producer and is more daring/creative with his music. Where we differ is probably the fact that you put flow (rapping) over everything. I'm a little bit more about the groove and beat. The rapping complements the beat to me for a lot of rap artists (unless I'm listening to a Tribe Called Quest, The Roots, Mos Def who are more lyrical rappers). I wish more people listened to rap/hip-hop on here. It's a fun genre to discuss and pick apart. |
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Yeezus
Mar 25, 2014 13:01:43 GMT -5
Post by manic on Mar 25, 2014 13:01:43 GMT -5
Very surprised to read that from you Cast, I usually agree with most of your posts on many different artists but this one I'm gobsmacked by, tbh. Each to their own i suppose, but i'd take Eminem over Kanye anyday of the week. Micky mouse flow?!?! To me rap music is about the rapping first and foremost, and Eminem is streets ahead of Kanye in that respect. That now a days too, if we consider Eminem's early albums then its a no contest. Knock out victory for Shady. Hahaha I'll admit I'm a bit of an Eminem hater WirralRiddler. Fair enough it is good to have disagreements over music sometimes No doubt Eminem is miles ahead of Kanye in terms of flow and rapping skill, but I just can't get into him at all besides a few singles. Dude did a lot for the rap game and will go down as being one of the best but he just doesn't click for me for whatever reason. Eminem is easily better than Kanye in terms of just rapping talent but Kanye is a better producer and is more daring/creative with his music. Where we differ is probably the fact that you put flow (rapping) over everything. I'm a little bit more about the groove and beat. The rapping complements the beat to me for a lot of rap artists (unless I'm listening to a Tribe Called Quest, The Roots, Mos Def who are more lyrical rappers). I wish more people listened to rap/hip-hop on here. It's a fun genre to discuss and pick apart. I dispute this. Kanye, with the exception of maybe 808s and Heartbreaks (Which isn't even a Hip-Hop album) isn't daring in the slightest, he just jumps on what is getting hot but hasn't quite blown up yet, which is pretty much is what Jay-Z does these days as well unfortunately. He can be creative with his beat selection and sampling, when he wants to be, which unfortunately he hasn't been for a long while. Funny you should mention that he is a better producer than Eminem, most of Ems best songs are self produced or co produced with the Bass Brothers, 97' Bonnie and Clyde, The Way I Am, Drug Ballad, Marshall Mathers, Beautiful etc. the list goes on. All of those songs and more are better in terms of both production and infinitely better lyrically, which lets be honest, is the most important aspect of Hip-Hop at the end of the day. |
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Yeezus
Mar 25, 2014 13:38:18 GMT -5
Post by Cast on Mar 25, 2014 13:38:18 GMT -5
Hahaha I'll admit I'm a bit of an Eminem hater WirralRiddler. Fair enough it is good to have disagreements over music sometimes No doubt Eminem is miles ahead of Kanye in terms of flow and rapping skill, but I just can't get into him at all besides a few singles. Dude did a lot for the rap game and will go down as being one of the best but he just doesn't click for me for whatever reason. Eminem is easily better than Kanye in terms of just rapping talent but Kanye is a better producer and is more daring/creative with his music. Where we differ is probably the fact that you put flow (rapping) over everything. I'm a little bit more about the groove and beat. The rapping complements the beat to me for a lot of rap artists (unless I'm listening to a Tribe Called Quest, The Roots, Mos Def who are more lyrical rappers). I wish more people listened to rap/hip-hop on here. It's a fun genre to discuss and pick apart. I dispute this. Kanye, with the exception of maybe 808s and Heartbreaks (Which isn't even a Hip-Hop album) isn't daring in the slightest, he just jumps on what is getting hot but hasn't quite blown up yet, which is pretty much is what Jay-Z does these days as well unfortunately. He can be creative with his beat selection and sampling, when he wants to be, which unfortunately he hasn't been for a long while. Funny you should mention that he is a better producer than Eminem, most of Ems best songs are self produced or co produced with the Bass Brothers, 97' Bonnie and Clyde, The Way I Am, Drug Ballad, Marshall Mathers, Beautiful etc. the list goes on. All of those songs and more are better in terms of both production and infinitely better lyrically, which lets be honest, is the most important aspect of Hip-Hop at the end of the day. MBDTF is a better produced album than anything Eminem has put out in my opinion. It's pretty obvious that Kanye has a more diverse record collection. I mean Power alone has a King Crimson sample, a Cold Grits sample, and an a Francois Bernheim composition. Who thinks of putting all that together? I don't really think anyone say something is the "most important" aspect of anything. I mean it's all wrapped up together. It's all part of the art and product. Separating the lyrics and production and arguing over which is more important is meaningless in a lot of ways. Like what's the most important thing about rock n' roll? Is it the attitude? Is it the song? It's all one, we just love to pick apart and categorize things because its human nature but at the end of the day it is a unified piece of work that came from someone and they probably have a different definition of what is "important". Art doesn't have any rules or any boundaries when you start labeling things or putting things above others you're destined to create something sterile. Ye does jump on stuff before it's burning hot. Yeezus is pretty clearly influenced by abrasive raps acts like Odd Future but he isn't as obvious about it as Jay is. That said MBDTF is a completely unique and well crafted album in my mind. You get into his mind and into our culture as a whole an that album. 808 is different for Kanye but it was released when auto-tune was everywhere. His first two are just classic Chicago rap albums. Nothing really interesting or game changing but the sampling is expertly crafted. stale 97' Bonnie and Clyde is an alright track but you can't tell me thats a better produced track than something like All of the Lights. It sounds like a stale G-funk groove. Give me something like Doggy Dogg World if you're into that. Speaking of Snoop probably my favorite rapper in terms of flow. |
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Yeezus
Mar 25, 2014 14:28:28 GMT -5
Post by manic on Mar 25, 2014 14:28:28 GMT -5
I dispute this. Kanye, with the exception of maybe 808s and Heartbreaks (Which isn't even a Hip-Hop album) isn't daring in the slightest, he just jumps on what is getting hot but hasn't quite blown up yet, which is pretty much is what Jay-Z does these days as well unfortunately. He can be creative with his beat selection and sampling, when he wants to be, which unfortunately he hasn't been for a long while. Funny you should mention that he is a better producer than Eminem, most of Ems best songs are self produced or co produced with the Bass Brothers, 97' Bonnie and Clyde, The Way I Am, Drug Ballad, Marshall Mathers, Beautiful etc. the list goes on. All of those songs and more are better in terms of both production and infinitely better lyrically, which lets be honest, is the most important aspect of Hip-Hop at the end of the day. . It's pretty obvious that Kanye has a more diverse record collection. I mean Power alone has a King Crimson sample, a Cold Grits sample, and an a Francois Bernheim composition. Who thinks of putting all that together? I don't really think anyone say something is the "most important" aspect of anything. I mean it's all wrapped up together. It's all part of the art and product. Separating the lyrics and production and arguing over which is more important is meaningless in a lot of ways. Like what's the most important thing about rock n' roll? Is it the attitude? Is it the song? It's all one, we just love to pick apart and categorize things because its human nature but at the end of the day it is a unified piece of work that came from someone and they probably have a different definition of what is "important". Art doesn't have any rules or any boundaries when you start labeling things or putting things above others you're destined to create something sterile. Ye does jump on stuff before it's burning hot. Yeezus is pretty clearly influenced by abrasive raps acts like Odd Future but he isn't as obvious about it as Jay is. That said MBDTF is a completely unique and well crafted album in my mind. You get into his mind and into our culture as a whole an that album. 808 is different for Kanye but it was released when auto-tune was everywhere. His first two are just classic Chicago rap albums. Nothing really interesting or game changing but the sampling is expertly crafted. stale 97' Bonnie and Clyde is an alright track but you can't tell me thats a better produced track than something like All of the Lights. It sounds like a stale G-funk groove. Give me something like Doggy Dogg World if you're into that. Speaking of Snoop probably my favorite rapper in terms of flow. I would again say that MBDTF as a whole sounds more like an amalgamation of what were the most popular type of beats in Hip-Hop at that time, I honestly don't think that MBDTF is a better produced record than Marshall Mathers LP or even The Eminem Show. At the time the Marshall Mathers LP was practically a trend setter in Hip-Hop with its dark rock-rap production, like when Beastie Boys made Licence To Ill and Run DMC collaborated with Areosmith every one in rap started using more rock influenced beats for a long while till the West Coast scene blew up. Kanye hasn't really been able to set a trend with any of his apparently amazing production, which begs the question is it even that great? I agree that 808s and Heartbreak was more of a statement about Autotune and lyrically about him losing his mother, which is why I think it's his best album even though I don't like it that much I recognise it's ambition and it's originality. 97' Bonnie and Clyde has a perfect subdued beat to go with what is lyrically very dark subject matter, I'm not going to say it's better than All of the Lights since I don't tend to like Kanye's music, I'm just saying the production enhances the song. As far as the rapper with the best flow goes it's Biggie. Hands down. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 25, 2014 14:52:59 GMT -5
Eminem has 17.5 million followers on Twitter. He follows..........no one.
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Yeezus
Mar 25, 2014 17:02:49 GMT -5
Post by Cast on Mar 25, 2014 17:02:49 GMT -5
MBDTF is a better produced album than anything Eminem has put out in my opinion. It's pretty obvious that Kanye has a more diverse record collection. I mean Power alone has a King Crimson sample, a Cold Grits sample, and an a Francois Bernheim composition. Who thinks of putting all that together? I don't really think anyone say something is the "most important" aspect of anything. I mean it's all wrapped up together. It's all part of the art and product. Separating the lyrics and production and arguing over which is more important is meaningless in a lot of ways. Like what's the most important thing about rock n' roll? Is it the attitude? Is it the song? It's all one, we just love to pick apart and categorize things because its human nature but at the end of the day it is a unified piece of work that came from someone and they probably have a different definition of what is "important". Art doesn't have any rules or any boundaries when you start labeling things or putting things above others you're destined to create something sterile. Ye does jump on stuff before it's burning hot. Yeezus is pretty clearly influenced by abrasive raps acts like Odd Future but he isn't as obvious about it as Jay is. That said MBDTF is a completely unique and well crafted album in my mind. You get into his mind and into our culture as a whole an that album. 808 is different for Kanye but it was released when auto-tune was everywhere. His first two are just classic Chicago rap albums. Nothing really interesting or game changing but the sampling is expertly crafted. stale 97' Bonnie and Clyde is an alright track but you can't tell me thats a better produced track than something like All of the Lights. It sounds like a stale G-funk groove. Give me something like Doggy Dogg World if you're into that. Speaking of Snoop probably my favorite rapper in terms of flow. I would again say that MBDTF as a whole sounds more like an amalgamation of what were the most popular type of beats in Hip-Hop at that time, I honestly don't think that MBDTF is a better produced record than Marshall Mathers LP or even The Eminem Show. At the time the Marshall Mathers LP was practically a trend setter in Hip-Hop with its dark rock-rap production, like when Beastie Boys made Licence To Ill and Run DMC collaborated with Areosmith every one in rap started using more rock influenced beats for a long while till the West Coast scene blew up. Kanye hasn't really been able to set a trend with any of his apparently amazing production, which begs the question is it even that great? I agree that 808s and Heartbreak was more of a statement about Autotune and lyrically about him losing his mother, which is why I think it's his best album even though I don't like it that much I recognise it's ambition and it's originality. 97' Bonnie and Clyde has a perfect subdued beat to go with what is lyrically very dark subject matter, I'm not going to say it's better than All of the Lights since I don't tend to like Kanye's music, I'm just saying the production enhances the song. As far as the rapper with the best flow goes it's Biggie. Hands down. It's true that Eminem has had more of an impact on rap with his character depictions and dark production, but really Kanye hasn't set a trend or had influence? Come on don't sell Kanye short on that. 808 pretty clearly had an influence on "PRB-R&B" which had gained a lot of popularity with Frank Ocean, Kid Cudi, etc. He also kinda thwarted Gangsta-raps mini comeback in the early-mid 00's. He opened the door for a lot of middle class black rappers (Drake). Also keep in mind that Kanye was a producer before he was a rapper. I won't go as far to say he made The Blueprint for Jay Z but surely he crafted and produced a lot of the highlights. It sounds like you don't just like Kanye and I just don't like Eminem. They are both going to have a legacy and we have are preferences lets leave it at that. |
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Yeezus
Mar 25, 2014 17:26:33 GMT -5
Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 25, 2014 17:26:33 GMT -5
Kanye is undoubtedly a special talent at the desk. A brilliant producer and should be recognised as such. Sadly his rapping in my opinion is awful, I'd be a lot happier if he just made beats for others.
It's nothing new with producers getting in on the rapping. Timberland did it, he was pretty bad and puff daddy, the less said about him the better.
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Yeezus
Mar 25, 2014 17:53:01 GMT -5
Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 25, 2014 17:53:01 GMT -5
Kanye should produce the next Beady Eye album. I'm not even kidding.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 25, 2014 17:56:18 GMT -5
Eminem rules because of this..........
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 25, 2014 18:07:22 GMT -5
Kanye should produce the next Beady Eye album. I'm not even kidding. Would love to see what he came up with. |
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Post by Let It🩸 on May 21, 2014 12:20:42 GMT -5
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Yeezus
May 21, 2014 14:07:42 GMT -5
Post by Lennon2217 on May 21, 2014 14:07:42 GMT -5
Kanye should produce Chris Martin's eventual solo album.
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Post by scott1 on May 21, 2014 14:41:44 GMT -5
Kanye should produce the next Beady Eye album. I'm not even kidding. I predicted a while back in a "What will Liam's next move be?" sort of thread that Beady Eye will become a hip-hop outfit. Finally, somebody confirms how correct this was! I wonder when it'll happen...... "Can you feel it coming?" |
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Post by manic on May 21, 2014 16:39:00 GMT -5
Kanye should retire.
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Yeezus
May 21, 2014 16:44:28 GMT -5
Post by Lennon2217 on May 21, 2014 16:44:28 GMT -5
He will be back shortly with another album this year. |
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Yeezus
May 21, 2014 21:05:28 GMT -5
Post by manic on May 21, 2014 21:05:28 GMT -5
He will be back shortly with another album this year. And it will be commercial as fuck. |
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Post by middeh on May 22, 2014 5:19:15 GMT -5
Kanye should produce the next Beady Eye album. I'm not even kidding. wow, that would be trippy as fuck i think i like the idea... |
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Yeezus
Sept 25, 2014 12:47:32 GMT -5
Post by Let It🩸 on Sept 25, 2014 12:47:32 GMT -5
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