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Post by shoes222 on May 8, 2013 18:31:12 GMT -5
To reiterate, this thread is not about the hardcore BE fans. They will like whatever these guys put out no matter what. It's for perspective about the band outside of the hardcore Oasis base. Firstly, do you actually realise what website you are on? Only an idiot would a expect a 'perspective about the band outside of the hardcore Oasis base' on a Oasis website. Christ... Secondly, I take it you mean anyone who disagree's with you is a hardcore BE fan? I think the first album is patchy but enjoyable and I disagree with you. Am I allowed to give perspective? Just because we're all Oasis fans, that suddenly means we're incapable of discussing the broader appeal of Oasis or Beady Eye outside of our fan forum? That's awfully closed minded. And no, you are perfectly allowed to give perspective on this subject. But instead of YOUR personal opinion, I'm more interested in what you think about Beady Eye's mass appeal and marketability. The fact is, Oasis was a very "mass-appeal" kind of band, especially in Britain, even up to their last album. Beady Eye isn't at all, despite only losing one member. I want to discuss why. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 8, 2013 18:34:40 GMT -5
Who cares what they think? I for one don't, they can think whatever they want. All I know is, whenever I hear Noel or Liam is making new music, I get excited, and that's all that should matter to the fans. You're free to enjoy the music, I'm not telling you not to. But this isn't the thread for you, then. This is a thread specifically ABOUT Beady Eye's widespread appeal, or lack thereof. If this is a record that only appeals to existing Oasis/Liam fans, I want to be able to discuss WHY that is. the lack of wider appeal is probably somewhat down to the fact that many people dislike Liam..... also, everyone's been going on about how Dave Sitek's suppose to be really modern or forward thinking, i dunno, but Second Bite of The Apple doesn't sound that modern, which isn't always a bad thing, but it may also prove Steve Lillywhite's point about Liam being the boss and not wanting to listen to others.... i said in another thread that if the BE album isn't successful or any better than DGSS that Liam should go out as a solo act and collaborate/perform with great songwriters........he's a great performer much in the same way Elvis was, and Elvis never wrote any music. also, aren't you involved in the music industry? what's the word on Dave Sitek? God bless. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 8, 2013 18:38:21 GMT -5
Firstly, do you actually realise what website you are on? Only an idiot would a expect a 'perspective about the band outside of the hardcore Oasis base' on a Oasis website. Christ... Secondly, I take it you mean anyone who disagree's with you is a hardcore BE fan? I think the first album is patchy but enjoyable and I disagree with you. Am I allowed to give perspective? Just because we're all Oasis fans, that suddenly means we're incapable of discussing the broader appeal of Oasis or Beady Eye outside of our fan forum? That's awfully closed minded. And no, you are perfectly allowed to give perspective on this subject. But instead of YOUR personal opinion, I'm more interested in what you think about Beady Eye's mass appeal and marketability. The fact is, Oasis was a very "mass-appeal" kind of band, especially in Britain, even up to their last album. Beady Eye isn't at all, despite only losing one member. I want to discuss why. Beady Eye don't have mass appeal and they won't for a variety of reasons. If they put out the most critically acclaimed album of the year sales won't go up that much. Liam is not that well liked and doesn't hold that much musical credibility from the wider public. He's the wild brother of the talented one. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 8, 2013 18:40:27 GMT -5
You're free to enjoy the music, I'm not telling you not to. But this isn't the thread for you, then. This is a thread specifically ABOUT Beady Eye's widespread appeal, or lack thereof. If this is a record that only appeals to existing Oasis/Liam fans, I want to be able to discuss WHY that is. the lack of wider appeal is probably somewhat down to the fact that many people dislike Liam..... also, everyone's been going on about how Dave Sitek's suppose to be really modern or forward thinking, i dunno, but Second Bite of The Apple doesn't sound that modern, which isn't always a bad thing, but it may also prove Steve Lillywhite's point about Liam being the boss and not wanting to listen to others.... i said in another thread that if the BE album isn't successful or any better than DGSS that Liam should go out as a solo act and collaborate/perform with great songwriters........he's a great performer much in the same way Elvis was, and Elvis never wrote any music. also, aren't you involved in the music industry? what's the word on Dave Sitek? God bless. We've seen enough changes and enough quotes about what Sitek did to suggest he most definitely did listen to him. SBOTA made not be futuristic but is most definitely different in style. |
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Post by mytwocents on May 8, 2013 18:43:38 GMT -5
I liked DGSS when it came out but it grew old very fast for me, and I think it was because of the the sound and production (too retro and boring) and of many meh songs. Still I liked a buch of songs.
From what I've heard BE seems to have a great production, very rich and more courageous, but the two songs I've heard I'm not enthusiastic of: there seems to be no sense of the "song" and melody, and the songs are too simple. Still I hope in a bunch of good songs in the album, but I'm starting to think they have limited songwriting skills (and I'm not comparing them with Noel, who has a unique talent for melody and is one of the most "natural" songwriter in decades) and this will be always a problem.
I was really excited for the album, now I'm a little less excited...hope this was only bad marketing with the first two songs that came out! ;-)
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 8, 2013 18:48:04 GMT -5
the lack of wider appeal is probably somewhat down to the fact that many people dislike Liam..... also, everyone's been going on about how Dave Sitek's suppose to be really modern or forward thinking, i dunno, but Second Bite of The Apple doesn't sound that modern, which isn't always a bad thing, but it may also prove Steve Lillywhite's point about Liam being the boss and not wanting to listen to others.... i said in another thread that if the BE album isn't successful or any better than DGSS that Liam should go out as a solo act and collaborate/perform with great songwriters........he's a great performer much in the same way Elvis was, and Elvis never wrote any music. also, aren't you involved in the music industry? what's the word on Dave Sitek? God bless. We've seen enough changes and enough quotes about what Sitek did to suggest he most definitely did listen to him. SBOTA made not be futuristic but is most definitely different in style. i think Liam listened to Dave Sitek but i haven't heard enough music to know how much he listened to him..... Second Bite of The Apple sounds very retro to me in the verses anyway......which again, isn't bad but i thought BDI wanted a more modern sound. and honestly i don't care what it sounds like as long as it's good...... God bless. |
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Post by shoes222 on May 8, 2013 19:03:42 GMT -5
also, aren't you involved in the music industry? what's the word on Dave Sitek? God bless. Dave Sitek is well-liked guy and a highly creative type, but he's still considered "up-and-coming" and hasn't had any real high-profile projects to hang his hat on. It's not like there's a ton of artists clamoring to work with him or anything. Sitek has a very east-coast artsy low-budget feel to most of his work. I obviously haven't heard all of Beady Eye's second album, but it will definitely be stylistically different than Lillywhite's bare-bones production style. In the area of modern pop/rock music, most in the industry would agree that Mark 'Spike' Stent was the best producer Oasis has ever worked with, and it's not even close. In retrospect, it's too bad that SOTSOG was the one Oasis album that had no hits to speak of. It was a waste of an expensive and talented producer. |
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Post by olesiadudnik on May 8, 2013 19:07:48 GMT -5
Didn’t know you kept a running list, as the prioritizing of your non-trolling quips. But, hey, I'm sure you know much more about the art of trolling than I do-- if only I could be judged up by such grown up standards, then I too may aspire to place higher. You've now fallen to the 5th best troll. You are slipping fast. Better up your Troll game or return to the Nickelback forum. "...return to the Nickelback forum." ...Such bite. Still making fun of others for their oh-so-inferior musical tastes, I see. Next thing you know you’ll be putting down my non-existent baby sister for liking Hello Kitty. Ha, such plight. . . . *drops a couple more rungs down the Troll Totem Pole* |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 8, 2013 19:10:53 GMT -5
You've now fallen to the 5th best troll. You are slipping fast. Better up your Troll game or return to the Nickelback forum. "...return to the Nickelback forum." ...Such bite. Still making fun of others for their oh-so-inferior musical tastes, I see. Next thing you know you’ll be putting down my non-existent baby sister for liking Hello Kitty. Ha, such plight. . . . *drops a couple more rungs down the Troll Totem Pole* I'm starting to think you aren't a troll, just a really bad message board poster. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 8, 2013 19:40:19 GMT -5
"...return to the Nickelback forum." ...Such bite. Still making fun of others for their oh-so-inferior musical tastes, I see. Next thing you know you’ll be putting down my non-existent baby sister for liking Hello Kitty. Ha, such plight. . . . *drops a couple more rungs down the Troll Totem Pole* I'm starting to think you aren't a troll, just a really bad message board poster. .....a really bad message board poster who hopefully discovers psychiatric drugs. God bless. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 8, 2013 19:54:44 GMT -5
also, aren't you involved in the music industry? what's the word on Dave Sitek? God bless. Dave Sitek is well-liked guy and a highly creative type, but he's still considered "up-and-coming" and hasn't had any real high-profile projects to hang his hat on. It's not like there's a ton of artists clamoring to work with him or anything. Sitek has a very east-coast artsy low-budget feel to most of his work. I obviously haven't heard all of Beady Eye's second album, but it will definitely be stylistically different than Lillywhite's bare-bones production style. In the area of modern pop/rock music, most in the industry would agree that Mark 'Spike' Stent was the best producer Oasis has ever worked with, and it's not even close. In retrospect, it's too bad that SOTSOG was the one Oasis album that had no hits to speak of. It was a waste of an expensive and talented producer. alright, i really do hope Dave Sitek was honest and direct with BDI.....much in the same way Noel was with Liam/Oasis, which is also one of the reasons Oasis is no more... and yeah, SOTSOG was a let down overall........i guess it's a period when Noel was trying to stop taking very illegal drugs so he probably wasn't in the mood to work on music..... anyway, you should post more - we need more sane members posting.... God bless. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 8, 2013 19:57:00 GMT -5
also, aren't you involved in the music industry? what's the word on Dave Sitek? God bless. Dave Sitek is well-liked guy and a highly creative type, but he's still considered "up-and-coming" and hasn't had any real high-profile projects to hang his hat on. It's not like there's a ton of artists clamoring to work with him or anything. Sitek has a very east-coast artsy low-budget feel to most of his work. I obviously haven't heard all of Beady Eye's second album, but it will definitely be stylistically different than Lillywhite's bare-bones production style. In the area of modern pop/rock music, most in the industry would agree that Mark 'Spike' Stent was the best producer Oasis has ever worked with, and it's not even close. In retrospect, it's too bad that SOTSOG was the one Oasis album that had no hits to speak of. It was a waste of an expensive and talented producer. Hire this man!  |
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Post by olesiadudnik on May 8, 2013 22:25:10 GMT -5
"...return to the Nickelback forum." ...Such bite. Still making fun of others for their oh-so-inferior musical tastes, I see. Next thing you know you’ll be putting down my non-existent baby sister for liking Hello Kitty. Ha, such plight. . . . *drops a couple more rungs down the Troll Totem Pole* I'm starting to think you aren't a troll, just a really bad message board poster. Quite malleable wasn't it, the term "troll". And yet such sour textual cleansing, administered through particular filters-- with each successive critical glimpse, now have those connotations systematically stripped away by and by, through the virtuosity (i.e. cunning) of *Non-Trolls*. But dear, if only your quips were held up to the criterion of High Jest then you would be invariably classified as "Really Good Message Board Poster," no? And me, on the other hand, lowly ol' me, would just be "Really Bad Message Board Poster". Of course presuming dear labels were designated by one, who through the experience-- through years and years-- and the capacity-- of frequenting message board after message board-- would know how to administer these designations to the respective deserving candidates. And to them, I defer. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 8, 2013 22:32:01 GMT -5
I'm starting to think you aren't a troll, just a really bad message board poster. Quite malleable wasn't it, the term "troll". And yet such sour textual cleansing, administered through particular filters-- with each successive critical glimpse, now have those connotations systematically stripped away by and by, through the virtuosity (i.e. cunning) of *Non-Trolls*. But dear, if only your quips were held up to the criterion of High Jest then you would be invariably classified as "Really Good Message Board Poster," no? And me, on the other hand, lowly ol' me, would just be "Really Bad Message Board Poster". Of course presuming dear labels were designated by one, who through the experience-- through years and years-- and the capacity-- of frequenting message board after message board-- would know how to administer these designations to the respective deserving candidates. And to them, I defer. I stopped reading at "Quite malleable". Elevate your game! That was BORING! Wow you are bad at this. Shockingly bad. |
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Post by olesiadudnik on May 8, 2013 22:36:00 GMT -5
Quite malleable wasn't it, the term "troll". And yet such sour textual cleansing, administered through particular filters-- with each successive critical glimpse, now have those connotations systematically stripped away by and by, through the virtuosity (i.e. cunning) of *Non-Trolls*. But dear, if only your quips were held up to the criterion of High Jest then you would be invariably classified as "Really Good Message Board Poster," no? And me, on the other hand, lowly ol' me, would just be "Really Bad Message Board Poster". Of course presuming dear labels were designated by one, who through the experience-- through years and years-- and the capacity-- of frequenting message board after message board-- would know how to administer these designations to the respective deserving candidates. And to them, I defer. I stopped reading at "Quite malleable". Elevate your game! That was BORING! Wow you are bad at this. Shockingly bad. You win 1 Internet. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 8, 2013 22:37:52 GMT -5
I stopped reading at "Quite malleable". Elevate your game! That was BORING! Wow you are bad at this. Shockingly bad. You win 1 Internet. |
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Post by spaneli on May 8, 2013 22:55:37 GMT -5
We've seen enough changes and enough quotes about what Sitek did to suggest he most definitely did listen to him. SBOTA made not be futuristic but is most definitely different in style. i think Liam listened to Dave Sitek but i haven't heard enough music to know how much he listened to him..... Second Bite of The Apple sounds very retro to me in the verses anyway......which again, isn't bad but i thought BDI wanted a more modern sound. and honestly i don't care what it sounds like as long as it's good...... God bless. I would agree. Even Flick of the Finger has a retro sound. From the building drums to the horn hook. There's nothing modern about it. However, though I am not really a big fan of either song, I do like that both are at least a small step away from the sound Beady Eye were creating on DGSS. And I agree. In the end, it would be great if they came out of this with their own distinct sound, but what would be better is if they came out of this as better songwriters. Because in the end, it's going to come down to songs. Great production, new sounds, new instrumentation captivates for maybe a year. But a year or two from now, it's the strengths of the songwriting that will be remembered. |
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Post by shoes222 on May 8, 2013 23:33:55 GMT -5
i think Liam listened to Dave Sitek but i haven't heard enough music to know how much he listened to him..... Second Bite of The Apple sounds very retro to me in the verses anyway......which again, isn't bad but i thought BDI wanted a more modern sound. and honestly i don't care what it sounds like as long as it's good...... God bless. I would agree. Even Flick of the Finger has a retro sound. From the building drums to the horn hook. There's nothing modern about it. However, though I am not really a big fan of either song, I do like that both are at least a small step away from the sound Beady Eye were creating on DGSS. And I agree. In the end, it would be great if they came out of this with their own distinct sound, but what would be better is if they came out of this as better songwriters. Because in the end, it's going to come down to songs. Great production, new sounds, new instrumentation captivates for maybe a year. But a year or two from now, it's the strengths of the songwriting that will be remembered. These are my thoughts exactly. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 0:06:30 GMT -5
Going more to the human side...I believe that people probably think of Liam as someone extremely disappointing, and that image drags the whole Beady Eye thing. As simple as that.
About the songwritting as a product you need to sell...well, they lost the Noel Gallagher factor, also Liam's voice isn't that appealing anymore...and I do believe they're very inexperienced about making marketable art.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 0:15:54 GMT -5
Hey Let It Bleed, what's with you carrying on normal back and forth discussion lately? I preferred you sans medication.  |
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Post by Teal on May 9, 2013 0:41:05 GMT -5
Haven't posted on this thread but scrolled through some of it.. My thoughts are BE isn't going to become a hit album or have any hit songs on it. The handful of singles from it will most likely have minor chart success in the UK but we can't expect anything more than that, even if it's great. Let's face it, there isn't much appeal to it for anyone outside of the category of Oasis fans who will buy it unconditionally whether it's good or bad. As for anyone else alot of people are tired of Liam and DGSS didn't exactly set Beady Eye off to a good start in comparison to the reception Noel's solo album got. So unfortunately many people won't take this album seriously. Which is why it's necessary for them to make sure it's really fucking awesome. If it can get a decent amount of critical praise from NME or SPIN or (is it possible?) Pitchfork or whoever else is important, then that's the kind of thing that will compensate for lack of popularity and keep BDI musically relevant. About the songwriting as a product you need to sell...well, they lost the Noel Gallagher factor, also Liam's voice isn't that appealing anymore...and I do believe they're very inexperienced about making marketable art. And that's exactly it. Songs on DGSS were hit and miss. Some good, some terrible. As much as I want to think Beady Eye is great, the lack of consistent songwriting is their biggest downfall IMO. David Sitek will have an influence on the album's sound.... But ultimately he is not the one writing the songs. His work with TV On the Radio and Yeah Yeah Yeahs albums is cool - although nothing brilliant - but at the same times those bands have the songs... Beady Eye hasn't. But I hope they will. edit; ALSO, don't get me wrong. I didn't want this post to come across as negative. Overall I enjoy most of Beady Eye's music but more importantly I'm an optimist.  |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 9, 2013 1:50:00 GMT -5
i think Liam listened to Dave Sitek but i haven't heard enough music to know how much he listened to him..... Second Bite of The Apple sounds very retro to me in the verses anyway......which again, isn't bad but i thought BDI wanted a more modern sound. and honestly i don't care what it sounds like as long as it's good...... God bless. I would agree. Even Flick of the Finger has a retro sound. From the building drums to the horn hook. There's nothing modern about it. However, though I am not really a big fan of either song, I do like that both are at least a small step away from the sound Beady Eye were creating on DGSS. And I agree. In the end, it would be great if they came out of this with their own distinct sound, but what would be better is if they came out of this as better songwriters. Because in the end, it's going to come down to songs. Great production, new sounds, new instrumentation captivates for maybe a year. But a year or two from now, it's the strengths of the songwriting that will be remembered. I don't really know what you mean by retro then, like you say its the songwriting that's more important. I like both songs and with the production they have I think they sound fresh. You can't really consider building drums to be retro, that means all songs have with them have been retro since 1957 haha. You can use old influences and still produce a modern sounding record. That will hopefully be Sitek's biggest impact. |
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Post by mimmihopps on May 9, 2013 3:42:50 GMT -5
Beady Eye, Liam Gallagher, Noel Gallagher, Oasis or not, in general, people make a problem from nothing and that's a problem.
I've only heard "Flick Of The Finger" so far and I liked it.
I don't like to speculate, so I'll just wait until 10th June.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on May 9, 2013 3:52:28 GMT -5
I'm starting to think you aren't a troll, just a really bad message board poster. .....a really bad message board poster who hopefully discovers psychiatric drugs. God bless. ...psychotic drugs, that hopefully will make him too dull to find this threadboard again |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on May 9, 2013 4:03:55 GMT -5
i have to say i don't expect them to write beautiful anthems, never wanted them to!
i want Beady Eye as a cool band with fresher music than Oasis, which in my opinion they made on DGSS for the most parts. Listening to the 2 songs and the small bits of BE makes me shiver, cause i'm one of the listeners that don't really need a chorus or something.
i love songs like "Flick of the Finger" and i expect the album to be more interesting than the last 3 or 4 gallagher related albums. not better but i expect, that there will be more unusual details on it, that will make me listen to it more often an love it.
listenend to the "BE-preview" video/audio clip 100 times, just to analyze what instruments they were using and how, to get that cool weird sound.
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