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Post by spaneli on May 1, 2013 14:05:33 GMT -5
Lyrics matter, and if they don't then why do they exist? Nobody said they didn't matter, just that too many people focus on them over, perhaps more important features of a song The words the singer is singing....the words deciding how he's going to deliver it (and it's words and melody that drives how a singer delivers a song, not just the melody) is not one of the more important features of a song. Everything in a song comes from two thing: melody and lyrics. Everything leads back to those two. Lyrics determine a lot more than some realize. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 14:08:30 GMT -5
I can see "tickle my feet with the NME" catching grief, but I kinda like it. The lyrics on both Flick of the Finger and Second Bite are pretty good!
Their worst lyrics are some of the cloyingly sentimental *crap* on DGSS.
Wow, I'm turning into a Beady Eye apologist. Who'd have thunk it.
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Post by spaneli on May 1, 2013 14:10:25 GMT -5
Beady Eye seem to be catching a fair bit of flak for the quality of the lyrics. I've never heard anybody moaning about "the sink is full of fishes." Lyrics are just a way of carrying a melody. If you want it to read well, away and read up some poetry. The songs are cracking - to hell with the lyrics. I think that some lyrics may sound nonsense, but they produce some fantastic or unusual imagery (eg the sink full of fishes) that make the song special. In my opinion, a great song can produce multiple interpretations and/or evoke strong emotions, with meaningful lyrics. Also, as an avid reader of poetry and a giant music fan, I think that songs are poems, set to music. At least the good ones are  So in that sense, I do think lyrics are an important component. Yea, I read a lot of poetry too. Was just at a forum a few days ago with people talking about the internet age and the losing importance of lyrics. It was like a funeral atmosphere. Made me really go back home and start looking at my lyrics a lot more closely. Also, I think I always lean more to image based poetry than the didactic ones. Which is fairly ironic  |
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Post by gaspanic23 on May 1, 2013 14:10:43 GMT -5
Lyrics are important, but I've always thought their shortcomings in that department was part of their charm tbh. Maybe coz I like the band, I don't know. But I do find their meaningless lyrics enjoyable. Got no issues with it.
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Post by alwaysnow on May 1, 2013 14:11:52 GMT -5
Lyrics matter, and if they don't then why do they exist? Of course they do, it's just that not all of them have to be deep and world-changing. I do care for the lyrics. If melody is the brain for a song, lyrics must be the heart for a song. I think it's precisely the opposite. Lyrics are way more rational than melody. Of course lyrics can make you feel emotionally attached to a song or convey certain feelings, but it's more of a brain process, whereas melody is pure feeling and emotion. |
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Post by spaneli on May 1, 2013 14:17:20 GMT -5
Lyrics matter, and if they don't then why do they exist? I do care for the lyrics. If melody is the brain for a song, lyrics must be the heart for a song. I think it's precisely the opposite. Lyrics are way more rational than melody. Of course lyrics can make you feel emotionally attached to a song or convey certain feelings, but it's more of a brain process, whereas melody is pure feeling and emotion. Again, lyrics don't have to be deep or world changing to be good. They can be very simple. I don't think anyone's asking Beady Eye to lead a revolution through lyrics. But thoughtful editing would be nice. Even nonsense lyrics are edited to death until they have a good flow, rhythm, somewhat connecting imagery, and aren't trying to go for the rhyme. And I agree with Mimmi. |
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on May 1, 2013 14:20:47 GMT -5
It depends though, really. Quite a few Oasis lyrics were nonsensical and I think Noel said himself that he just wrote any old shit that rhymed. You certainly don't need high brow, meaningful lyrics if you've got a good melody and delivery and the lyrics fit the feel of the song. Where Beady Eye/LAG have fallen down a bit though, is that some of their melodies are perfectly acceptable but not interesting enough to carry the song, and the lyrics feel a bit lazy and unfinished at times. Liam and Gem have a tendency to stick in a few "Come On's" in places where they're struggling, which is a shame as Liam has written some very good songs in his time. You're always going to get extreme views on both sides on here, I personally think both Flick of the Finger and Second Bite of the Apple are decent enough but both seem a bit unfinished to me.
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Post by yearzero on May 1, 2013 14:22:22 GMT -5
spaneli, I lean towards imagistic poetry myself too.  All this interesting discussion reminds me of this PBS documentary The Musical Brain: PBS The Musical Brain
The power of music and its effect on the human mind is a fascinating topic for neuroscientists exploring the gateway to the mysteries of the brain. This documentary illuminates how the brain uses music to shape the human experience. Featuring insights from Grammy Award-winning musicians Sting, Wyclef Jean, Michael Buble and four-time Grammy nominee Feist, this riveting documentary reveals how music is interpreted by those who create it and those who listen to it. Using the research findings of leading medical experts, including Dr. Daniel Levitin, the documentary examines the physical, psychological and emotional responses to music through a variety of tests on children and adults. Inspired by Dr. Daniel Levitin's book, Sting puts his own musical mind to the test when he enters an fMRI (functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging) machine to have his brain scanned. Using state-of-the-art technology, the film demonstrates how Sting responds to various types of music -- complex and simple -- and what his musical brain reveals about him.
And I found the full documentary online: The Musical Brain on Veoh
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Post by jaq515 on May 1, 2013 14:24:58 GMT -5
Lyrics matter, and if they don't then why do they exist? Of course they do, it's just that not all of them have to be deep and world-changing. I do care for the lyrics. If melody is the brain for a song, lyrics must be the heart for a song. I think it's precisely the opposite. Lyrics are way more rational than melody. Of course lyrics can make you feel emotionally attached to a song or convey certain feelings, but it's more of a brain process, whereas melody is pure feeling and emotion. Which in rocknroll is what it's all about, the feeling and emotion? . Noel even says he doesn't care about lyrics (which we can actually see) and Liam's voice was just an instrument? There are lots of oasis songs we are attached cos the lyrics made sense to us at that time and ment things to us. But on the other hand we aren't oasis fans for the lyrics these plenty of other music in the world for lyrics l. Oasis was about the package, noel is a lesser package, as are beady eye. We've heard 25? LAG songs they aren't ever gonna write amazing lyrics but the songs for me personally are good |
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Post by spaneli on May 1, 2013 14:27:00 GMT -5
It depends though, really. Quite a few Oasis lyrics were nonsensical and I think Noel said himself that he just wrote any old shit that rhymed. You certainly don't need high brow, meaningful lyrics if you've got a good melody and delivery and the lyrics fit the feel of the song. Where Beady Eye/LAG have fallen down a bit though, is that some of their melodies are perfectly acceptable but not interesting enough to carry the song, and the lyrics feel a bit lazy and unfinished at times. Liam and Gem have a tendency to stick in a few "Come On's" in places where they're struggling, which is a shame as Liam has written some very good songs in his time. You're always going to get extreme views on both sides on here, I personally think both Flick of the Finger and Second Bite of the Apple are decent enough but both seem a bit unfinished to me. I'd take that with a grain of salt. Noel's used the "I wrote this in 5 minutes" line a lot to either downplay poor lyrics or make himself seem more like a genius. And I don't think anyone believes he wrote anything in five minutes. I think he puts a lot more effort and goes through a lot more drafts of lyrics than he lets on. However, I would agree with the "Come On's" and "La, la, la, la's" that Noel and Liam (Liam a bit more) tend to do when they're stuck on lyrics. |
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Post by spaneli on May 1, 2013 14:30:16 GMT -5
spaneli, I lean towards imagistic poetry myself too. All this interesting discussion reminds me of this PBS documentary The Musical Brain: PBS The Musical Brain
The power of music and its effect on the human mind is a fascinating topic for neuroscientists exploring the gateway to the mysteries of the brain. This documentary illuminates how the brain uses music to shape the human experience. Featuring insights from Grammy Award-winning musicians Sting, Wyclef Jean, Michael Buble and four-time Grammy nominee Feist, this riveting documentary reveals how music is interpreted by those who create it and those who listen to it. Using the research findings of leading medical experts, including Dr. Daniel Levitin, the documentary examines the physical, psychological and emotional responses to music through a variety of tests on children and adults. Inspired by Dr. Daniel Levitin's book, Sting puts his own musical mind to the test when he enters an fMRI (functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging) machine to have his brain scanned. Using state-of-the-art technology, the film demonstrates how Sting responds to various types of music -- complex and simple -- and what his musical brain reveals about him.
And I found the full documentary online: The Musical Brain on Veoh Thanks, I'll definitely take a look at it before the week it is out |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 1, 2013 14:35:22 GMT -5
it's not hard to watch a BDI interview and see the members aren't very articulate.......
Liam's genius has always been his ignorance.
God bless.
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Post by spaneli on May 1, 2013 14:43:34 GMT -5
it's not hard to watch a BDI interview and see the members aren't very articulate....... Liam's genius has always been his ignorance. God bless. To be fair, Tom Watts has the weirdest most inarticulate interviews ever. Literally barely says anything and it's not an act. Ye he is one of the best lyricists ever. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 1, 2013 14:48:56 GMT -5
it's not hard to watch a BDI interview and see the members aren't very articulate....... Liam's genius has always been his ignorance. God bless. To be fair, Tom Watts has the weirdest most inarticulate interviews ever. Literally barely says anything and it's not an act. Ye he is one of the best lyricists ever. maybe it is an act, he is an actor..... hahaha.  but anyway, none of the BDI members strike me as articulate or even that interesting in real life. i'm sure even Liam's routine gets old after awhile..... God bless. |
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Post by Ash & Debris on May 1, 2013 15:11:44 GMT -5
Maybe we should all start listening to Lil Wayne since lyrics apparently aren't important at all.
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 1, 2013 15:16:02 GMT -5
HFP, Publican and hater of drugs...
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Post by jaq515 on May 1, 2013 15:18:44 GMT -5
Maybe we should all start listening to Lil Wayne since lyrics apparently aren't important at all. Not sure if this wiki is accurate but Lil Wayne passed Elvis Presley as the male with the most entries on the Billboard Hot 100 chart with 109 songs So obviously lyrics aren't important to alot of people |
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Post by simmo26773 on May 1, 2013 15:20:31 GMT -5
seems a lot oh hate on here for liam & co, not sure why, both both tracks weve heard for album have exceeded my expectation, both better than anything on noels album, who would have thought that was possible, roll on 10th of june |
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Post by WirralRiddler on May 1, 2013 15:28:34 GMT -5
....... Liam's genius has always been his ignorance. God bless. Brilliant! As for lyrics, for me Noels greatness comes from the simplicity of them, everyone knows and understands the words he uses and can relate to them, he doesn't over complicate things. That's how the anthems happen. Personally if you want great lyrics then Alex Turners the man. |
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Post by Ash & Debris on May 1, 2013 15:35:18 GMT -5
[quote author=" simmo26773" source="/post/1045213/thread" timestamp="1367439631" both better than anything on noels album, who would have thought that was possible, roll on 10th of june [/quote] Yeah guys! " "Shake my tree where's the apple for me. Tickle my feet with the NME" totally dwarfs Alone on the rope, let The Lord shine a light on me, a simple game of genius, broken arrow and all that rubbish. |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 1, 2013 15:38:26 GMT -5
[quote author=" simmo26773" source="/post/1045213/thread" timestamp="1367439631" both better than anything on noels album, who would have thought that was possible, roll on 10th of june Yeah guys! " "Shake my tree where's the apple for me. Tickle my feet with the NME" totally dwarfs Alone on the rope, let The Lord shine a light on me, a simple game of genius, broken arrow and all that rubbish. First off, I think the lyric is "tickle my feet with the ENEMY," not NME. And also, him saying that SBOTA is better than anything on Noel's first album still makes more sense than anything you've said on this forum so far. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 1, 2013 15:42:52 GMT -5
[quote author=" simmo26773" source="/post/1045213/thread" timestamp="1367439631" both better than anything on noels album, who would have thought that was possible, roll on 10th of june Yeah guys! " "Shake my tree where's the apple for me. Tickle my feet with the NME" totally dwarfs Alone on the rope, let The Lord shine a light on me, a simple game of genius, broken arrow and all that rubbish. [/quote] He likes it, you don't. Get over it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 15:43:00 GMT -5
....... Liam's genius has always been his ignorance. God bless. Brilliant! As for lyrics, for me Noels greatness comes from the simplicity of them, everyone knows and understands the words he uses and can relate to them, he doesn't over complicate things. That's how the anthems happen. Personally if you want great lyrics then Alex Turners the man.
I wanna' steal your soul (brick by brick) I wanna' rock and roll (brick by brick) I wanna' rock and roll (brick by brick) I wanna' rock and roll Only joking man, he is a very talented lyricist |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 15:45:43 GMT -5
[quote author=" simmo26773" source="/post/1045213/thread" timestamp="1367439631" both better than anything on noels album, who would have thought that was possible, roll on 10th of june Yeah guys! " "Shake my tree where's the apple for me. Tickle my feet with the NME" totally dwarfs Alone on the rope, let The Lord shine a light on me, a simple game of genius, broken arrow and all that rubbish. [/quote] 3 out of the 4 songs you just mentioned aren't even on Noel's album...  |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 15:51:08 GMT -5
[quote author=" simmo26773" source="/post/1045213/thread" timestamp="1367439631" both better than anything on noels album, who would have thought that was possible, roll on 10th of june Yeah guys! " "Shake my tree where's the apple for me. Tickle my feet with the NME" totally dwarfs Alone on the rope, let The Lord shine a light on me, a simple game of genius, broken arrow and all that rubbish. [/quote] Second Bite of the Apple probably is better than Let the Lord Shine A Light On Me tbh, really bland song that, I'll take "Shake my tree, where's the apple for me, Tickle my feet with the ENEMY" over that any day |
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