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Post by thomas09 on Apr 15, 2013 6:55:12 GMT -5
Just read this online:
Really can't see Beady Eye beating this in the charts, thoughts?
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Post by Bruno on Apr 15, 2013 7:00:27 GMT -5
It'll be difficult, but I could see them giving Sabbath a run for their money if they can impress with the first few singles.
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Post by thomas09 on Apr 15, 2013 7:03:52 GMT -5
Yeah I hope so, guess it will all come down to how good Second Bite of the Apple is and if it generates much interest. I think if it was just a normal Black Sabbath album then it'd be no problem to beat, but the fact that it's their first studio album with the original members since 1978, that could make it very difficult... Also because they've not made any recent releases it's hard to say how much interest there actually is.
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Post by Ebby Calvin 'Nuke' LaLoosh on Apr 15, 2013 7:07:00 GMT -5
I don't know about beating Black Sabbath but I've been thinking about this.....Dave Sitek's one of the 'it' guys in the music industry right now and he wouldn't put his name on something that was lackluster. I have a feeling BE will at least some get critical praise.....
God bless.
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Post by thomas09 on Apr 15, 2013 7:10:09 GMT -5
I don't know about beating Black Sabbath but I've been thinking about this.....Dave Sitek's one of the 'it' guys in the music industry right now and he wouldn't put his name on something that was lackluster. I have a feeling BE will at least some get critical praise..... God bless. That's true. Also he definitely wouldn't have flew all the way from LA either unless it was something with lots of potential. Here's a list of all the June 10th releases for this year. Apart from Black Sabbath, not much competition: June 10th, 2013: - Alison Moyet - The Minutes - Ane Brun - Songs 2003 - 2013 - Beady Eye - Be - Black Sabbath - 13 - Children of Bodom - Halo of Blood - CLOSE - Getting Closer - CSS - SQE - Date Palms - The Dusted Sessions - Emika - DVA - Emily Wells – Mama Acoustic Recordings - Fat Tony - Smart Ass Black Boy - Imperial Teen - Feel The Sound - Jason Isbell - Southeastern - Jimmy Eat World - Damage - Lily and Madeline - The Weight of the Globe [EP] - Lumerians - New Frontier - Queensryche - [Title TBA] - six.by seven - Love And Peace And Sympathy - Smith Westerns - Varsity - Sonny & the Sunsets - Antenna to the Afterworld - Surfer Blood - Pythons - The Orb & Lee - More Tales From The Orbservatory - Us Baby Bear Bones - What starts with a U ends in an I [EP] - White Mandingos - The Ghetto Is Tryna Kill Me |
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Post by Bruno on Apr 15, 2013 7:17:44 GMT -5
I don't know about beating Black Sabbath but I've been thinking about this.....Dave Sitek's one of the 'it' guys in the music industry right now and he wouldn't put his name on something that was lackluster. I have a feeling BE will at least some get critical praise..... God bless. Hopefully he's managed to pull them out of the 'Standard Oasis formula' as it were and give them a whole new sound. If he has managed to do that as the band has stated without making them sound ridiculous then the album could go to no.1 IMO. But it also depends on the other albums out at the time. Also Liam would blow his head off if Ozzy beat him in the charts!  |
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Post by 1983andy on Apr 15, 2013 7:20:29 GMT -5
I don't know about beating Black Sabbath but I've been thinking about this.....Dave Sitek's one of the 'it' guys in the music industry right now and he wouldn't put his name on something that was lackluster. I have a feeling BE will at least some get critical praise..... God bless. That's true. Also he definitely wouldn't have flew all the way from LA either unless it was something with lots of potential. Here's a list of all the June 10th releases for this year. Apart from Black Sabbath, not much competition: June 10th, 2013: - Alison Moyet - The Minutes - Ane Brun - Songs 2003 - 2013 - Beady Eye - Be - Black Sabbath - 13 - Children of Bodom - Halo of Blood - CLOSE - Getting Closer - CSS - SQE - Date Palms - The Dusted Sessions - Emika - DVA - Emily Wells – Mama Acoustic Recordings - Fat Tony - Smart Ass Black Boy - Imperial Teen - Feel The Sound - Jason Isbell - Southeastern - Jimmy Eat World - Damage - Lily and Madeline - The Weight of the Globe [EP] - Lumerians - New Frontier - Queensryche - [Title TBA] - six.by seven - Love And Peace And Sympathy - Smith Westerns - Varsity - Sonny & the Sunsets - Antenna to the Afterworld - Surfer Blood - Pythons - The Orb & Lee - More Tales From The Orbservatory - Us Baby Bear Bones - What starts with a U ends in an I [EP] - White Mandingos - The Ghetto Is Tryna Kill Me I don't know anyone on this list apart from Beady Eye or Black Sabbath, am I getting old? |
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Post by Bellboy on Apr 15, 2013 7:28:57 GMT -5
They'll struggle against Black Sabbath, 1st album in 30 odd years? That will be hot. As long as they beat Fat Tony haha  |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 15, 2013 7:31:42 GMT -5
That's true. Also he definitely wouldn't have flew all the way from LA either unless it was something with lots of potential. Here's a list of all the June 10th releases for this year. Apart from Black Sabbath, not much competition: June 10th, 2013: - Alison Moyet - The Minutes - Ane Brun - Songs 2003 - 2013 - Beady Eye - Be - Black Sabbath - 13 - Children of Bodom - Halo of Blood - CLOSE - Getting Closer - CSS - SQE - Date Palms - The Dusted Sessions - Emika - DVA - Emily Wells – Mama Acoustic Recordings - Fat Tony - Smart Ass Black Boy - Imperial Teen - Feel The Sound - Jason Isbell - Southeastern - Jimmy Eat World - Damage - Lily and Madeline - The Weight of the Globe [EP] - Lumerians - New Frontier - Queensryche - [Title TBA] - six.by seven - Love And Peace And Sympathy - Smith Westerns - Varsity - Sonny & the Sunsets - Antenna to the Afterworld - Surfer Blood - Pythons - The Orb & Lee - More Tales From The Orbservatory - Us Baby Bear Bones - What starts with a U ends in an I [EP] - White Mandingos - The Ghetto Is Tryna Kill Me I don't know anyone on this list apart from Beady Eye or Black Sabbath, am I getting old? I only know Children of Bodom/Beady Eye/Black Sabbath. And to be honest I suspect Beady Eye will take a step back in sales. They got that 60k opening week when they were the first post Oasis album.....even post the release of Bring the Light, they had the more attention on them then, they do on them now. I think there may be less casual Oasis fans buying and less people taking a flyer than last time. I think their sales will be a lot of hardcore Oasis/Beady Eye fans. I could see them selling 40k that opening week at most.....unless they have two fairly successful singles (and I mean something that charts above #31, somewhere at least in the Top 20). |
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Post by RocketMan on Apr 15, 2013 7:36:17 GMT -5
the new black sabbath single sounds a bit like "even cowgirls get the blues" by the gaslight anthem
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Post by thomas09 on Apr 15, 2013 7:39:45 GMT -5
I don't know anyone on this list apart from Beady Eye or Black Sabbath, am I getting old? I only know Children of Bodom/Beady Eye/Black Sabbath. And to be honest I suspect Beady Eye will take a step back in sales. They got that 60k opening week when they were the first post Oasis album.....even post the release of Bring the Light, they had the more attention on them then, they do on them now. I think there may be less casual Oasis fans buying and less people taking a flyer than last time. I think their sales will be a lot of hardcore Oasis/Beady Eye fans. I could see them selling 40k that opening week at most.....unless they have two fairly successful singles (and I mean something that charts above #31, somewhere at least in the Top 20). Single sales mean absolutely nothing anymore in relation to how good or bad an album does in the charts. Look at RHCP's latest album. That did very good whereas none of the singles even made it into the top 40. Also R.E.M.'s last two albums, Bruce Springsteen's lead single from wrecking ball didn't even get in the top 100 and that album did great. Not that I'm comparing Beady Eye to any of them, just stating that single sales mean squat. Airplay, promotional gigs, interviews etc. are a lot more important. I can easily imagine this album selling more than DGSS. But there are a lot of factors involved, single positions not being one of them. The single-buying market is a lot different to the album-buying market. |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 15, 2013 7:47:02 GMT -5
I only know Children of Bodom/Beady Eye/Black Sabbath. And to be honest I suspect Beady Eye will take a step back in sales. They got that 60k opening week when they were the first post Oasis album.....even post the release of Bring the Light, they had the more attention on them then, they do on them now. I think there may be less casual Oasis fans buying and less people taking a flyer than last time. I think their sales will be a lot of hardcore Oasis/Beady Eye fans. I could see them selling 40k that opening week at most.....unless they have two fairly successful singles (and I mean something that charts above #31, somewhere at least in the Top 20). Single sales mean absolutely nothing anymore in relation to how good or bad an album does in the charts. Look at RHCP's latest album. That did very good whereas none of the singles even made it into the top 40. Also R.E.M.'s last two albums, Bruce Springsteen's lead single from wrecking ball didn't even get in the top 100 and that album did great. Not that I'm comparing Beady Eye to any of them, just stating that single sales mean squat. Airplay, promotional gigs, interviews etc. are a lot more important. I can easily imagine this album selling more than DGSS. But there are a lot of factors involved, single positions not being one of them. To be honest, those artists have fanabses that Beady Eye probably doesn't have anymore. That's why single sales don't matter for them. I think single sales will matter a bit more for Beady Eye in particular, considering none of their singles rose past #31, their album struggled to sell 60k it's opening week, and then struggled to get gold. Not to be mention their tour sputtered because they didn't have enough fans to sell tickets to. And you want them to compare them to the fanbases of REM, Springsteen, and RHCP. I would get that if this were Oasis we were talking about, but in my opinion, Beady Eye do not have the fanbase to not need single sales. For them, single sales will be an indication of how much radio play they are getting and how well promotion is going. Because for them, chances are if no one is watching their youtube videos, buying their singles, or barely listening to them on the radio, then they won't sell much album wise. Single sales will be at least a decent indicator with Beady Eye, especially considering, their fans, much like Oasis fans are completists. So most who buy the album will most likely have bought the previous singles. They will struggle to make that 60k again. |
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Post by deasy on Apr 15, 2013 7:47:11 GMT -5
Kodaline have an album out June 10th and I think they might surprise sales wise. They have 2 fairly well known songs circling around lately.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 7:54:07 GMT -5
Alison Moyet will beat Beardy Eye  |
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Post by mimmihopps on Apr 15, 2013 8:07:34 GMT -5
I might be a bad fan, but I've never cared for the charts. Kodaline have an album out June 10th and I think they might surprise sales wise. They have 2 fairly well known songs circling around lately. I discovered Kodaline at London Calling last November and saw them 3 times. Their best performance was the acoustic session (invites only) they've done in a Amstel Church back in November. It was truly beautiful. |
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Post by NYR on Apr 15, 2013 9:58:10 GMT -5
it's not a competition.
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Post by thomas09 on Apr 15, 2013 10:00:49 GMT -5
Single sales mean absolutely nothing anymore in relation to how good or bad an album does in the charts. Look at RHCP's latest album. That did very good whereas none of the singles even made it into the top 40. Also R.E.M.'s last two albums, Bruce Springsteen's lead single from wrecking ball didn't even get in the top 100 and that album did great. Not that I'm comparing Beady Eye to any of them, just stating that single sales mean squat. Airplay, promotional gigs, interviews etc. are a lot more important. I can easily imagine this album selling more than DGSS. But there are a lot of factors involved, single positions not being one of them. To be honest, those artists have fanabses that Beady Eye probably doesn't have anymore. That's why single sales don't matter for them. I think single sales will matter a bit more for Beady Eye in particular, considering none of their singles rose past #31, their album struggled to sell 60k it's opening week, and then struggled to get gold. Not to be mention their tour sputtered because they didn't have enough fans to sell tickets to. And you want them to compare them to the fanbases of REM, Springsteen, and RHCP. I would get that if this were Oasis we were talking about, but in my opinion, Beady Eye do not have the fanbase to not need single sales. For them, single sales will be an indication of how much radio play they are getting and how well promotion is going. Because for them, chances are if no one is watching their youtube videos, buying their singles, or barely listening to them on the radio, then they won't sell much album wise. Single sales will be at least a decent indicator with Beady Eye, especially considering, their fans, much like Oasis fans are completists. So most who buy the album will most likely have bought the previous singles. They will struggle to make that 60k again. I said "Not that I'm comparing Beady Eye to any of them". Also I still disagree. There's no way that everyone who bought DGSS bought all the singles because they're completists. Single sales aren't really important to any artist anymore, especially when you're talking about the kind of music Beady Eye are making. I agree that single sales are important to the likes of Justin Beiber, Katy Perry etc. but not rock music. That's why many bands nowadays are having more fun with their videos instead of big productions. Performing on the right TV shows, doing the correct interview, getting magazine covers - that's a lot more important than how well a single does in the charts. The fact that most (almost all in fact) record stores don't even stock singles anymore shows how unimportant they are. They're no indication at all to how well an album will do. I can't imagine a group of people in their late 20s or early 30s going on itunes to buy Beady Eye tracks, but I can imagine them going to their CD store and buying the album. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 10:27:31 GMT -5
According to wikipedia, they have released 18 albums and only one has topped the charts in the UK, Paranoid released in 1970. Their last album from 1995 peaked at #71 in the UK and the last album with the original lineup only peaked at #12 so I think beady eye have got a good chance... but who cares really?... Sure the band will care but to me as long as I dig it, then I'm happy, balls to record sales as far I'm concerned, they're meaningless, just enjoy the music!...
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Post by mossy on Apr 15, 2013 10:30:50 GMT -5
To be honest, those artists have fanabses that Beady Eye probably doesn't have anymore. That's why single sales don't matter for them. I think single sales will matter a bit more for Beady Eye in particular, considering none of their singles rose past #31, their album struggled to sell 60k it's opening week, and then struggled to get gold. Not to be mention their tour sputtered because they didn't have enough fans to sell tickets to. And you want them to compare them to the fanbases of REM, Springsteen, and RHCP. I would get that if this were Oasis we were talking about, but in my opinion, Beady Eye do not have the fanbase to not need single sales. For them, single sales will be an indication of how much radio play they are getting and how well promotion is going. Because for them, chances are if no one is watching their youtube videos, buying their singles, or barely listening to them on the radio, then they won't sell much album wise. Single sales will be at least a decent indicator with Beady Eye, especially considering, their fans, much like Oasis fans are completists. So most who buy the album will most likely have bought the previous singles. They will struggle to make that 60k again. I said "Not that I'm comparing Beady Eye to any of them". Also I still disagree. There's no way that everyone who bought DGSS bought all the singles because they're completists. Single sales aren't really important to any artist anymore, especially when you're talking about the kind of music Beady Eye are making. I agree that single sales are important to the likes of Justin Beiber, Katy Perry etc. but not rock music. That's why many bands nowadays are having more fun with their videos instead of big productions. Performing on the right TV shows, doing the correct interview, getting magazine covers - that's a lot more important than how well a single does in the charts. The fact that most (almost all in fact) record stores don't even stock singles anymore shows how unimportant they are. They're no indication at all to how well an album will do. I can't imagine a group of people in their late 20s or early 30s going on itunes to buy Beady Eye tracks, but I can imagine them going to their CD store and buying the album. What CD stores!? |
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Post by thomas09 on Apr 15, 2013 11:13:48 GMT -5
According to wikipedia, they have released 18 albums and only one has topped the charts in the UK, Paranoid released in 1970. Their last album from 1995 peaked at #71 in the UK and the last album with the original lineup only peaked at #12 so I think beady eye have got a good chance... but who cares really?... Sure the band will care but to me as long as I dig it, then I'm happy, balls to record sales as far I'm concerned, they're meaningless, just enjoy the music!... That's true but Ozzy Osbourne hasn't done an album with them for quite a long time, and has established himself as a pretty big solo artist in his own right since then. But yeah you're definitely right, as long as the albums good I don't care where it charts |
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Post by thomas09 on Apr 15, 2013 11:14:47 GMT -5
I said "Not that I'm comparing Beady Eye to any of them". Also I still disagree. There's no way that everyone who bought DGSS bought all the singles because they're completists. Single sales aren't really important to any artist anymore, especially when you're talking about the kind of music Beady Eye are making. I agree that single sales are important to the likes of Justin Beiber, Katy Perry etc. but not rock music. That's why many bands nowadays are having more fun with their videos instead of big productions. Performing on the right TV shows, doing the correct interview, getting magazine covers - that's a lot more important than how well a single does in the charts. The fact that most (almost all in fact) record stores don't even stock singles anymore shows how unimportant they are. They're no indication at all to how well an album will do. I can't imagine a group of people in their late 20s or early 30s going on itunes to buy Beady Eye tracks, but I can imagine them going to their CD store and buying the album. What CD stores!? They're still around, just not as big or as plentiful |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 12:26:51 GMT -5
I still can't get my head round anyone believing the single makes any difference. Those who will buy the album have already decided. The fan base won't grow.
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Post by Bruno on Apr 15, 2013 12:44:42 GMT -5
I still can't get my head round anyone believing the single makes any difference. Those who will buy the album have already decided. The fan base won't grow. Well I'll give you an example. I had never heard any Stereophonics albums but when they released the single from their latest album 'Indian Summer' I gave it a listen and I really started loving their sound and style. Then I went out and got Graffiti On The Train when it came out and now I'm a huge fan of theirs. So singles do make a difference, exposure is everything. And if the first thing people hear from a band is good they are encouraged to hear more. That's basically how it works IMO. |
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Post by Ash & Debris on Apr 15, 2013 16:19:27 GMT -5
That's true. Also he definitely wouldn't have flew all the way from LA either unless it was something with lots of potential. Here's a list of all the June 10th releases for this year. Apart from Black Sabbath, not much competition: June 10th, 2013: - Alison Moyet - The Minutes - Ane Brun - Songs 2003 - 2013 - Beady Eye - Be - Black Sabbath - 13 - Children of Bodom - Halo of Blood - CLOSE - Getting Closer - CSS - SQE - Date Palms - The Dusted Sessions - Emika - DVA - Emily Wells – Mama Acoustic Recordings - Fat Tony - Smart Ass Black Boy - Imperial Teen - Feel The Sound - Jason Isbell - Southeastern - Jimmy Eat World - Damage - Lily and Madeline - The Weight of the Globe [EP] - Lumerians - New Frontier - Queensryche - [Title TBA] - six.by seven - Love And Peace And Sympathy - Smith Westerns - Varsity - Sonny & the Sunsets - Antenna to the Afterworld - Surfer Blood - Pythons - The Orb & Lee - More Tales From The Orbservatory - Us Baby Bear Bones - What starts with a U ends in an I [EP] - White Mandingos - The Ghetto Is Tryna Kill Me I don't know anyone on this list apart from Beady Eye or Black Sabbath, am I getting old? Queensryche??? |
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Post by tjl2992 on Apr 15, 2013 21:15:23 GMT -5
Well there goes BE chance of being Number 1, lol
(I do hope they are #1 though)
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