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Post by Ebby Calvin 'Nuke' LaLoosh on Apr 6, 2013 10:24:37 GMT -5
FUCK YEAH!!!  Rahad Jackson fucking loves it.....  God bless. in my opinion @ 0:17 was a big clue that the evening wasn't going to go particularly well.  god bless. "....what the fuck is that? it's a big gun...." the PERFECT response. FUCK YEAH! |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 6, 2013 10:27:12 GMT -5
Personally don't care about structure. I'm just disappointed the track doesn't go anywhere. Every time I listen to it, it just sounds like it's there. A song doesn't have to have a big chorus or be verse, chorus, verse, chorus, to be a good single in my opinion. But I do think it needs a drive/forward push and some type of hook. It's the difference between a good song and a good single. This is decent song with great production, but I don't know if it's a great or even a good single. I really like the sound, but the sound/polished product is the only thing I can really latch on to. I know Dennizz said this is the single, but for some reason I keep feeling as if this is a teaser, rather than an actual single. The hook is clearly the instrumentation between verses. I saw you say not so long ago about a single carrying an album. A single should never have to do that. What is all this single stuff? 40 year old men releasing an album are unlikely to have a big single. I would rather an album that stood as a complete piece of work with a great feel to it than any single breaking into what is a chart filled with mostly turds. What I'm saying by carrying an album is do you expect the single to be one of the worst songs on an album? No. So usually if a song is single, it's usually because it's because if it's a 12 song album, then it's probably one of the 6 best songs on the album. Not the best, because the best songs on an album, rarely make a single. It has nothing to do with charts. It's just that if this song is supposed to be of the upper crust of what's on the album or the top half, then I'm just hoping there's another couple rungs of quality we haven't heard yet. Because this doesn't sound like a top half track, more like a solid album track. That's what I mean by great singles carry great albums. Not chart-wise, but for the fact that the singles from your album usually signify the top half of the songs, quality wise. May not be the best or even the second best song on an album. But it's usually in the top half. I just don't think this is a top half song. Which is why I still believe it's a taster in the same way Bring the Light was. |
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Post by NYR on Apr 6, 2013 10:30:05 GMT -5
do i hear influence from the black keys?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2013 10:35:10 GMT -5
[/IMG] God bless.[/quote] in my opinion @ 0:17 was a big clue that the evening wasn't going to go particularly well. god bless. [/quote] "....what the fuck is that? it's a big gun...." the PERFECT response. FUCK YEAH![/quote] '.... just let me do all the talking.' looking back they PROBABLY realized that wasn't such a good idea  aloha! |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 6, 2013 10:36:51 GMT -5
but maybe this was an incident like the Radio, which played Beatles & Stones. so we should just wait for an official Single anouncment, before we are talking about messing up the singles. i'm disappointed by the fans, who are always waiting for the BIG chorus. let them go experimental! i think its refreshing, taht they leave the path of the past and try new structures and leave that "intro - verse- chorus- verse - brdige - solo - chorus" stuff behind them. Yeh totally agree, I'll admit I was sceptical at first but with any experimenting in music, you've got to be willing to put some time into it and I actually really like the fact it doesn't fit in with the verse-chorus structure. It's very plausible that this isn't the single that will be played by Zane Lowe on the 15th which is exciting of course as dennizz said his boss had been given a number of tracks Yea, I don't get the need for a big chorus. I think even with a big chorus, it would still be an average song with polish. A big chorus doesn't fix everything. |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 6, 2013 10:42:56 GMT -5
but maybe this was an incident like the Radio, which played Beatles & Stones. so we should just wait for an official Single anouncment, before we are talking about messing up the singles. i'm disappointed by the fans, who are always waiting for the BIG chorus. let them go experimental! i think its refreshing, taht they leave the path of the past and try new structures and leave that "intro - verse- chorus- verse - brdige - solo - chorus" stuff behind them. You can experiment and put a chorus into a song!! When I hear this i like it yeah,but it's like you're waiting for something,wait over and over,but nothing happens,I miss something you know? It's like an unfinished song...this is what I think Yea, my issue is that it just doesn't build to anything, and it doesn't require a chorus. Not every song has to drive toward a chorus, however, it does have to drive to something. And at times I did feel that this song was what it was and just didn't go anywhere. I would have been happy for it to maybe build some kind of big instrumental type affair, with the horns coming out of the standard riff and really directing the melody to go somewhere. I think that would have been great, yet still experimental. |
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Post by Ebby Calvin 'Nuke' LaLoosh on Apr 6, 2013 10:51:18 GMT -5
You can experiment and put a chorus into a song!! When I hear this i like it yeah,but it's like you're waiting for something,wait over and over,but nothing happens,I miss something you know? It's like an unfinished song...this is what I think Yea, my issue is that it just doesn't build to anything, and it doesn't require a chorus. Not every song has to drive toward a chorus, however, it does have to drive to something. And at times I did feel that this song was what it was and just didn't go anywhere. I would have been happy for it to maybe build some kind of big instrumental type affair, with the horns coming out of the standard riff and really directing the melody to go somewhere. I think that would have been great, yet still experimental. maybe BDI will hire you to produce the next album, spaneli.  i'm just kidding around. you seem to get caught up in the analytical trap sometimes.....and I know you're an aspiring artist/musician and if you ever want to reach your zenith you're gonna have to let go and go fucking insane. God bless. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2013 10:54:06 GMT -5
ok, now it's really growing on me. for some reason i can picture this as the first track on the album. and also does anyone else think this would be a great gig opener? with an extra long extended intro with the horns just building and building, getting louder and louder until one by one the band comes out on stage  |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 6, 2013 10:59:32 GMT -5
Yea, my issue is that it just doesn't build to anything, and it doesn't require a chorus. Not every song has to drive toward a chorus, however, it does have to drive to something. And at times I did feel that this song was what it was and just didn't go anywhere. I would have been happy for it to maybe build some kind of big instrumental type affair, with the horns coming out of the standard riff and really directing the melody to go somewhere. I think that would have been great, yet still experimental. maybe BDI will hire you to produce the next album, spaneli. i'm just kidding around. you seem to get caught up in the analytical trap sometimes.....and I know you're an aspiring artist/musician and if you ever want to reach your zenith you're gonna have to let go and go fucking insane. God bless. Naw, just love talking about the music. Just because you're analytic, doesn't mean you don't love listening to the music. When I'm listening to a song I'm not listening for the drum fill on the third beat of a C chord or the fourth chord change of a phrase. Now, that's insane. Just because you're analytic when you talk about music, doesn't mean you are when you're listening. At least not consciously. But when I'm talking about music I tend to be analytic. It's part of loving it for me. I love talking about music. |
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Post by Ebby Calvin 'Nuke' LaLoosh on Apr 6, 2013 11:01:29 GMT -5
maybe BDI will hire you to produce the next album, spaneli. i'm just kidding around. you seem to get caught up in the analytical trap sometimes.....and I know you're an aspiring artist/musician and if you ever want to reach your zenith you're gonna have to let go and go fucking insane. God bless. Naw, just love talking about the music. Just because you're analytic, doesn't mean you don't love listening to the music. When I'm listening to a song I'm not listening for the drum fill on the third beat of a C chord or the fourth chord change of a phrase. Now, that's insane. Just because you're analytic when you talk about music, doesn't mean you are when you're listening. At least not consciously. But when I'm talking about music I tend to be analytic. It's part of loving it for me. I love talking about music. alright, that's cool. God bless. |
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Post by Bellboy on Apr 6, 2013 11:06:23 GMT -5
Ok so I don't think it's the single. Some guy on my FB just said it's an album track (track 10?) and that the new single will be played on Monday night.
It's not a strong enough song for a single imo anyway so maybe there's some truth in this?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2013 11:07:35 GMT -5
Yea, my issue is that it just doesn't build to anything, and it doesn't require a chorus. Not every song has to drive toward a chorus, however, it does have to drive to something. And at times I did feel that this song was what it was and just didn't go anywhere. I would have been happy for it to maybe build some kind of big instrumental type affair, with the horns coming out of the standard riff and really directing the melody to go somewhere. I think that would have been great, yet still experimental. maybe BDI will hire you to produce the next album, spaneli. i'm just kidding around. you seem to get caught up in the analytical trap sometimes.....and I know you're an aspiring artist/musician and if you ever want to reach your zenith you're gonna have to let go and go fucking insane.God bless. Less drone, more arrangement based? you're totally changing the song there..and I do believe (in my mind of course) that that change would make it into a very conventional song. So, to be honest, I prefer the "dronic" and shoegaze nature of the song. though, what Ebby Calvin 'Nuke' LaLoosh says is correct, let the music have its day. |
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Post by carlober on Apr 6, 2013 11:08:46 GMT -5
Ok so I don't think it's the single. Some guy on my FB just said it's an album track (track 10?) and that the new single will be played on Monday night. It's not a strong enough song for a single imo anyway so maybe there's some truth in this? Who's this guy? |
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Post by Bellboy on Apr 6, 2013 11:21:03 GMT -5
Ok so I don't think it's the single. Some guy on my FB just said it's an album track (track 10?) and that the new single will be played on Monday night. It's not a strong enough song for a single imo anyway so maybe there's some truth in this? Who's this guy? On this occasion just a minded fan. I just asked him & he got it from a page called Definitely Gallagher on FB - They are also saying the single is called Kill Switch. Now I am not saying this is true, it seems alot similar in name to Flick Of The Switch. The FB page is just a fan page really & probably geting info from Twitter etc. alot of which will be rumors & BS.. You never know ;-) |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 6, 2013 11:22:28 GMT -5
maybe BDI will hire you to produce the next album, spaneli. i'm just kidding around. you seem to get caught up in the analytical trap sometimes.....and I know you're an aspiring artist/musician and if you ever want to reach your zenith you're gonna have to let go and go fucking insane.God bless. Less drone, more arrangement based? you're totally changing the song there..and I do believe (in my mind of course) that that change would make it into a very conventional song. So, to be honest, I prefer the "dronic" and shoegaze nature of the song. though, what Ebby Calvin 'Nuke' LaLoosh says is correct, let the music have its day. Hm, maybe. I think the key would probably be the mix of the instrumentals to make it less conventional. The music is having it's day, people are talking about it  No, but seriously. Music is communal and great to talk about. That's like saying, let the movie have it's day or the painting. The music is the music and it's been an over year long wait, the day is now By that rational I shouldn't analyze how much I love the song because the music should have it's day. |
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Post by dion on Apr 6, 2013 11:33:10 GMT -5
Not a fan of the vocals at all but the Public Enemy brass thingy it has going on is great.
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Post by RocketMan on Apr 6, 2013 11:34:28 GMT -5
best beady eye song for me. i actually can't believe this myself. that song has a really good vibe and feel to it. i don't really miss a chorus in there too. the horns shoulder the whole song. well done boys
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Post by matt on Apr 6, 2013 11:36:34 GMT -5
Someone just tweeted Steve Lillywhite "should we blame different gear still speeding on Steve Lillywhite". Steve replied "no. Definitely Not". I can't blame Lillywhite either. He probably did exactly what was asked from him. He is a rather straight forward producer for the most part. I wouldn't expect anything really challenging creatively. I could be wrong though. I think the lack of critical and commercial success of DGSS, pushed the band to try something grander. That is a good thing. Exciting times ahead. That's a shame. Lillywhite is a great producer and very straightforward. But his production is really nothing if the songs aren't there - and the songs weren't there on Different Gear. Listen to the first three U2 albums and there's punch, youth and vitality to those early U2 songs, simply because Bono and co were about 20 when writing it and you can feel that. There was no better producer than Lillywhite - straight to the point just like the band were at that time. Again, the best Morrissey album is Vauxhall and I, in which Lillywhite changed 'Why Don't You Find Out For Yourself' from a rocker (hear the demo of it) to an acoustic tune, bringing out all the sensitivity which that song deserved. No, Lillywhite was completely innocent in the end result of Different Gear. There's nothing nobody can do with Beatles rip offs. But this Dave Sitek guy. From the sounds of this new song, I would quite happily see Oasis reunite with this guy. With an ambitious producer, Oasis would have sounded great - but Noel seemed content with wallowing in shite with Dave bloomin Sardy. Flick of the Finger is a good tune - nothing more, nothing less. But what does it for me is it sounds fresh to my ears. I expect similar results with the album. Good move on the band for hiring Sitek - surely Noel, you can't go back to hiring mediocrity like Sardy? |
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 6, 2013 12:19:52 GMT -5
Oasis mania had the same rumour (this is run by the BE fan site person)
Looks like they've deleted it now so maybe the track listing was one of the exclusives they've been given?
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Post by Ebby Calvin 'Nuke' LaLoosh on Apr 6, 2013 12:28:45 GMT -5
Oasis mania had the same rumour (this is run by the BE fan site person) Looks like they've deleted it now so maybe the track listing was one of the exclusives they've been given? i don't really see why the official page would give out that kinda info. pre-annoucement, and if they did that goofy BDI page just blew it..... God bless. |
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Post by freddy838 on Apr 6, 2013 12:43:41 GMT -5
Erm...I was truly expecting something a bit better than that. It would make a great instrumental opener, I just don't see what Liam's bits really add to the song. The lyrics indicate to me that it's a Liam song and would explain why it doesn't have much variety to it really. Nice production though and I'm still looking forward to the hearing the rest of the album.
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Post by Heebeejeebies on Apr 6, 2013 12:44:18 GMT -5
Damn, that's a big sound. Can't wait to hear the rest of the album!
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Post by aaronon on Apr 6, 2013 12:45:19 GMT -5
So is this the single or not?
Is gems misses not mentioning it on twitter yet lol
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Post by Bob on Apr 6, 2013 12:45:44 GMT -5
It reminds me of Chinese Blues by Travis. Also think it's a Gem song.
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Post by lucahelvetica on Apr 6, 2013 13:06:22 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying this track, sounds huge when played loud. looking forward to it live.
On a different note James Cairns of Cold Committee (@jamescairns18) says they are supporting Beady Eye in July so suggests they will be in at least Wales in July
Edit: They are opening the Pistoia Blues Festival for them
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No, but seriously. Music is communal and great to talk about. That's like saying, let the movie have it's day or the painting. The music is the music and it's been an over year long wait, the day is now 
