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Post by Headmaster on Feb 2, 2013 21:08:29 GMT -5
Kid A or Viva la Vida, only time will tell which one is the most overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 14:37:18 GMT -5
"Id have put Come On, Its Alright" on the album..
Why? Have you all heard it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 14:49:57 GMT -5
Bag It Up
Noel: "I wrote it whilst pissed" - just an excuse to put out a half-arsed shit song.
The Turning
It is Cliff Richard - Devil Woman, with inaudible choirs.
Waiting For The Rapture
Some Doors song with Noels vocals
The Shock Of The Lightning
Its out there because it has a drum solo? Nah.
Im Outta Time
Its alright, but Liam feeds the John Lennon obsession with a cringeworthy sample.
High Horse Lady
The song is 30% the sound of pebbles.
Falling Down
Good Song.
To Be Where Theres Life
Dont get me started on this pile of shite.
Aint Got Nothin'
Its a quick 2 minute rocket with no bite. Pointless and shite.
The Nature Of Reality
"Belief to does not existance make" ...eh?
Soldier On
50% outro. There is a reason it was forgotten about for years...
For me. This is worse than HC.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 3, 2013 15:00:16 GMT -5
"Id have put Come On, Its Alright" on the album.. Why? Have you all heard it? Joakim's heard it and I bet it's quality. Plus Noel and Andy spoke highly of it. Its no different than when people would suggest that Record Machine or Stop The Clocks should have been on DBTT. Sure nobody heard them at the time but they had faith. Just like now, many of us have faith it's a quality tune. No harm, no foul. Just fans being fans. |
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Post by Ash & Debris on Feb 3, 2013 15:14:54 GMT -5
Agreed, very underwhelming last album. I hope they reunite to bow down with a better effort to ensure this travesty of a record doesn't stain their legacy.
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Post by matt on Feb 3, 2013 16:23:10 GMT -5
Agreed, very underwhelming last album. I hope they reunite to bow down with a better effort to ensure this travesty of a record doesn't stain their legacy. If they did get back together, I'd hope Noel would say 'for fucks sake guys, it's now or never if we really want to make the follow up to Morning Glory', instead of 'meh, it's good enough' attitude. As for Kid A, I can get why people rate that as the best album of the 2000s, but I have no idea why In Rainbows is considered in the same vain. It's a tiresome record, and I get the suspicion it was only popular because of the innovative way fans paid for it. By far not even close to a great album - I personally think Viva La Vida is miles ahead of that album. In fact, Viva La Vida is Coldplay's best album, though not my favourite. Definitely my favourite album of 2008, a lot of critics thought the same too. A diverse album, very old fashion in sound using barely any of the electronic gizmos that all bands use today, offering completely different styles, and while the title tune is the only really radio friendly tune, it's a pop song that is far more intelligent than the usual crap that gets to number one. It's baroque style with a fallen king being dethroned due to revolution is not the sort of song that should get to number one but it did. On top of that, you have old English folk influence on it with Cemetries of London, some spikiness on Violet Hill, and more diverse tunes. A great album I think, which really puts the massive disappointment (and commercial sell out) of Mylo Xyloto in perspective. The thing holding it back is the name Coldplay, which unfortunately puts people off the album straight away who can't give an unbiased opinion, which is a real shame. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 3, 2013 16:41:22 GMT -5
Agreed, very underwhelming last album. I hope they reunite to bow down with a better effort to ensure this travesty of a record doesn't stain their legacy. If they did get back together, I'd hope Noel would say 'for fucks sake guys, it's now or never if we really want to make the follow up to Morning Glory', instead of 'meh, it's good enough' attitude. As for Kid A, I can get why people rate that as the best album of the 2000s, but I have no idea why In Rainbows is considered in the same vain. It's a tiresome record, and I get the suspicion it was only popular because of the innovative way fans paid for it. By far not even close to a great album - I personally think Viva La Vida is miles ahead of that album. In fact, Viva La Vida is Coldplay's best album, though not my favourite. Definitely my favourite album of 2008, a lot of critics thought the same too. A diverse album, very old fashion in sound using barely any of the electronic gizmos that all bands use today, offering completely different styles, and while the title tune is the only really radio friendly tune, it's a pop song that is far more intelligent than the usual crap that gets to number one. It's baroque style with a fallen king being dethroned due to revolution is not the sort of song that should get to number one but it did. On top of that, you have old English folk influence on it with Cemetries of London, some spikiness on Violet Hill, and more diverse tunes. A great album I think, which really puts the massive disappointment (and commercial sell out) of Mylo Xyloto in perspective. The thing holding it back is the name Coldplay, which unfortunately puts people off the album straight away who can't give an unbiased opinion, which is a real shame. In Rainbows had some blinding tunes: 15 Step Bodysnatchers Arpeggi/Weird Fishes All I Need Reckoner Jigsaw Falling Into Place Videotape Viva La Vida had some other radio friendly tunes, Lovers In Japan, Lost and Strawberry Swing. The EP version of Life In Technicolor is also killer. |
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Post by yeayeayeah on Feb 5, 2013 14:23:52 GMT -5
Why did Noel pick such a shit Andy song for the album, was it just because NOR has a bit of a groove?
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Post by AdidasNG72 on May 25, 2013 14:40:37 GMT -5
Utterly crap album. The only thing that saves it are the 3 released singles. The rest of the album is pure garbage.
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Post by oneeye on May 25, 2013 15:28:52 GMT -5
I've said it before, but the first half of the album is great and then add Falling Down onto that.
But that was the case for Oasis' last3 albums, strong first halves and weaker second halves
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Post by AdidasNG72 on May 25, 2013 15:35:23 GMT -5
I've said it before, but the first half of the album is great and then add Falling Down onto that. But that was the case for Oasis' last3 albums, strong first halves and weaker second halves I wouldn't say `great', but yes, the album is definitely stronger in the first half. If a couple of decent tracks from Beady Eye's and Noel's solo albums had replaced some of the gutter shite that resides on this album, it may well have been the great swansong that we were all hoping for. |
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Post by warewolf95 on May 25, 2013 16:18:45 GMT -5
Idk, I actually really like the album, and although the album is pretty top heavy, the first half of the album is pretty amazing. From Bag It Up to I'm Outta Time is really great. I think Falling Down is one of Noel's best songs, and to me Soldier On is a really great closer, which is an opinion that I think nobody else agrees with. I think for a band's seventh album Dig Out Your Soul is really good. But that's just my opinion, and I can completely understand where you're coming from. I dont think Soldier On is that good of a song, but I definitely think it has a great "atmosphere/vibe" going for it and is a pretty interesting closer, imo Also, as everyone else says, I agree its pretty up to par until the last third or so. It gets pretty fucking boring around track 8 or so and just doesnt pick back up Also, contrary to most, I really like High Horse Lady. I think its a great little "interlude" type of track, ala the outro of Dear Prudence or whatever |
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Post by GIMH on May 25, 2013 16:20:44 GMT -5
I've had his on fairly heavy rotation of late and I still dig it. My thoughts:
Bag It Up - I love everything about this. The intro just gets me excited and I think Liam sounds amazing.
The Turning - should have been the first single. That chorus would suck anyone in. Love it.
Waiting for the Rapture - think both versions are very good. Hope Noel plays this on a future HFB your
TSOTL / in theory I am indifferent to this but everytime it comes on my foot stomps and I'm singing along. Easy to see why it was the single, the most 'oasis sounding' track on the album
I'm outta time - one of my favourite ever songs by anybody
High Horse - it's grown on me but seriously what were you thinking outing this on an album? When they split I seriously feared that Noel was gonna do an album of this sort of shit
Falling Down - Mega, and I fucking love the 22 minute AA mix
TBWTL - can never understand the hate this song gets. Love the riff, the beat, the vocal, the atmosphere. Gem's best contribution to Oasis
AGN - a lesser man's Meaning of Soul but still decent
TNOR - Not as bad as is sometimes made out but the other songs Andy supposedly offered for the album are all better
Soldier On - a dreamy groove, a fitting end to a great band. Love the tone of this and the drums are ace (Noel isn't it?)
So as you can see there are about 7 or 8 I adore. Where it falls short of its predecessor is that the weaker tracks come across as filler whereas on DBTT for me there is a lot more consistency.
I believe this album will be looked at more fondly one day.
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Post by warewolf95 on May 25, 2013 16:24:16 GMT -5
I've had his on fairly heavy rotation of late and I still dig it. My thoughts: Bag It Up - I love everything about this. The intro just gets me excited and I think Liam sounds amazing. The Turning - should have been the first single. That chorus would suck anyone in. Love it. Waiting for the Rapture - think both versions are very good. Hope Noel plays this on a future HFB your TSOTL / in theory I am indifferent to this but everytime it comes on my foot stomps and I'm singing along. Easy to see why it was the single, the most 'oasis sounding' track on the album I'm outta time - one of my favourite ever songs by anybody High Horse - it's grown on me but seriously what were you thinking outing this on an album? When they split I seriously feared that Noel was gonna do an album of this sort of shit Falling Down - Mega, and I fucking love the 22 minute AA mix TBWTL - can never understand the hate this song gets. Love the riff, the beat, the vocal, the atmosphere. Gem's best contribution to Oasis AGN - a lesser man's Meaning of Soul but still decent TNOR - Not as bad as is sometimes made out but the other songs Andy supposedly offered for the album are all better Soldier On - a dreamy groove, a fitting end to a great band. Love the tone of this and the drums are ace (Noel isn't it?) So as you can see there are about 7 or 8 I adore. Where it falls short of its predecessor is that the weaker tracks come across as filler whereas on DBTT for me there is a lot more consistency. I believe this album will be looked at more fondly one day. I just wish that TBWTL had guitars on the album version. They fucking ROCKED it live |
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Post by Headmaster on May 25, 2013 17:39:13 GMT -5
Thank god they didn't put guitars on TBWTL, it would have been just another guitar track, the sitar was a great move and that beat is infectious, I'm glad they made something different and interesting.
And also thank god they didn't put WFTR alternative version on the album, enough with the ballads, HC and DBTT had lots of these things, the combination of Noel falsettos with the heavy guitars sounds massive on the album version, it was about time for them to do a rocking album again, Noel even dind't wanted IOT on DOYS.
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Post by Ash & Debris on May 25, 2013 18:00:56 GMT -5
Agreed, very underwhelming last album. I hope they reunite to bow down with a better effort to ensure this travesty of a record doesn't stain their legacy. Wow, definitely went a bit overboard with that one. It's not a travesty by any means of the imagination, in fact if Oasis do reform, I'd hope they'd make dark, experimental music like DOYS instead of the plodding dad-rock formulaic shit of HC. I like the direction of DOYS a lot, it feels more grown up to me than DBTT. Throw in the the bluesiness and the moodiness of SOTSOG and that's the exact type of Oasis I would've wanted from LP 8. |
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Post by Headmaster on May 25, 2013 22:15:29 GMT -5
I believe this album will be looked at more fondly one day. Give it some years, it worked with SOTSOG. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 3, 2013 12:09:37 GMT -5
I believe this album will be looked at more fondly one day. Give it some years, it worked with SOTSOG. And with George W. Bush.  |
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Post by cloudburster on Jun 4, 2013 7:13:31 GMT -5
Surprised at the hate for DOYS. Only actually crap songs are Ain't Got Nothin' (no question about that) and High Horse Lady. The Nature Of Reality is pretty bad but I personally love the riff and the solo in it. To Be Where There's Life isn't a great track but when you're in the mood, having that drum intro then the bass kick in on full volume in the car it IS great. Soldier On I really like, it's just a bit long. The rest of the tracks - Bag It Up (my alarm), The Turning, Waiting For The Rapture, The Shock of the Lightning, I'm Outta Time and Falling Down - are all crackers. An album with 6 really good/great songs on it isn't bad in my eyes. 8/10 album for me. Maybe the circumstances and the atmosphere surrounding the band during the 18 months around its release taints it for the fans. If it had followed SOTSOG in 2002 I'm sure it would be more highly regarded.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 9:22:05 GMT -5
I really enjoy this album, although i can't bring myself to listen past falling down. The Nature of Reality is perhaps one the worst oasis songs ever. If they had recorded Stop The Clock and Record Machine and put Boy With The Blues on instead of Ain't Got Nothin' the album would have been in my top 3.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Jun 4, 2013 9:35:14 GMT -5
The first four tracks are as strong as any Oasis release. Outside of that though only Falling Down warrants a listen.
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Post by catsnake on Jun 4, 2013 16:24:53 GMT -5
Now that I've got your attention, who else thinks this? There seems to be A LOT of folk on here who are distinctly unimpressed by it, and it seems to have aged terribly. Okay, crap may be an overstatement, it's got some really good songs like Shock of the Lightning and Falling Down, but apart from that, I think it's pretty forgettable. Sure, songs like Bag It Up and The Turning are good when you listen to them, but I never feel an urge to play them on my stereo. The bottom line is this I think: Oasis are a pop band wrapped up in a rocky sound. The great thing about High Flying Birds (an album I love, just to show I do still enjoy Gallagher related work) was that it had it's fair share of pop. Apparently it's 'different' from other Oasis albums. Nothing original about it at all though- in fact, it's probably one of their most derivative records ever, never understood how some fans think it's different. But the underlying importance is it's got to have a good balance of pop songs, and the only pop is I'm Outta Time which doesn't give a nod to The Beatles, it gives a full on headbutt. You'd think Oasis would want to get away from all those 'Beatles tribute band' jibes no? I never find myself intentionally going to listen to the album. It's instantly forgettable. The choice of the most boring producer on the face of the earth didn't help! Probably Dave Sardy's crap idea of wanting grooves (where the hell is the albums 'grooves' anyway?). But in summary, its just not that good is it? If this was the level that Oasis aspired to, then thank god they split up. Its aged alot over a short period of time, I do like High Horse (everyone else hates it lol), Falling Down (is superb), Rapture and Bag it up. I'm the same though, I would get the urge to listen to it. |
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Post by headshrinker84 on Jun 4, 2013 16:57:56 GMT -5
I think the first half of the album is better than HC and DBTT.
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Post by Headmaster on Jun 4, 2013 20:47:07 GMT -5
I must say that the production on it is really great, sardy did a nice job on DOYS, unlike DBBT which was underproduced in places and NGHFB which was overproduced in places.
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Post by Lundblad on Jun 7, 2013 17:04:09 GMT -5
When Oasis split up I was happy that they at least had gotten to say goodbye through the fantastic album/return to full form Dig Out Your Soul. My gosh, did I enjoy that album in 2008-09...
It hasn't aged that well, but I still think it's a very good album - although I regard it on similar level as SOTSOG, HC and DBTT.
But the five first songs+FD was such a slap in the face to everyone, to the world. Noel was back and delivered a couple of songs that held up to 90s levels. BIU is enormous groove, a huge favourite of mine. TSOTL is a Definitely Maybe style rocker. TT is great. WFTR too, although it hasn't aged that well in my opinion. IOT was (I still think that) Liam's best Oasis track. And the Revolver-inspired groove is very cool and lifts the rest of the album, even though I was much more forgiving to those tunes back in 2008-09.
TBWTL sounded fantastic live, but the album version is probably one of the worst Oasis album songs. TNOR is, along with GOYHHL, their worst effort. I have a personal like for AGN, but I understand and see why most people don't.
And just as intriguing as this psychedelic album is, the whole Dig Out Your Soul era leaves us with many mysteries.
- Why was TNOR included on the album when Andy had much better tracks in store? (According to something I think I read back in 2008, he didn't even like TNOR)
- Why was TBWTL Gem's inclusion?
- Why wasn't BWTB and IBIA included?
- What was the truth behind the two songs that Liam "didn't have time" to record?
- How good would it have been with RM, BWTB, IBIA and COIA instead of the four worst songs?
- Is Dave Sardy a good producer?
- Why weren't BIU and TT played live?
- And the greatest one: When did the split become inevitable? In Paris in August 2009? During the tour? Or even before the album was released?
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