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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 20, 2013 16:05:10 GMT -5
Why have Oasis never released a good live CD? Familiar to Millions isn't even that good (incredibly average), doesn't even catch them close to their prime. Give us live CDs from Maine Road on (a better gig than Knebworth apparently), Live Beside The Sea or MTV Unplugged. This. To me every set list in the 2000s is way worse than what was played in 95-98...even the singles from HC and DBTT aren't as good as Cast No Shadow, Some Might Say, All Around The World etc. |
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Post by BloodyColdAssasin on Jan 20, 2013 16:17:54 GMT -5
I only listen to DM, WTSMG?, BHN, TM and the 90's b-sides. After that, they were a mediocre band with mediocre albums with SOTSOG being the better of the mediocre ones. And GLIO/SCYHO being the better of the mediocre singles. In my opinion. Also, this is huge, but um. After hearing My Big Mouth and I Hope, I Think, I Know demos sung by Noel, I was amazed. I like the sung vocals better than Liams. Not the production, I love BHN's production. Loud. But it makes me thing and sometimes makes me mad. What songs could Noel really have sung on BHN? So far MBM, MP (Magic Pie), IHITIK. Probably DYKWIM? and DGA, after his epic acoustic perfomances. His Stand By Me demo is good, but his vocals in the chorus are too soft and not as upbeat as Liams, so therefore liams wins this. TGITDS, FIFO definitely Liam and then I don't know. I can imagine Noel singing amazing on BHN song, AATW and IGBM, but who knows...  As far as Definitely Maybe goes, I like the way it is now. WTSMG?, hmmm. Everything is great, except maybe Noel could have sung Some Might Say and even Wonderwall. Probably the reason Noel sang only one song in BHN is because he was probably afraid that if it wasn't Liam who would sing most of the songs, they might not have been successful and would alienate their fans and their sales would be affected. Who knows. There I said it... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 18:23:45 GMT -5
I only listen to DM, WTSMG?, BHN, TM and the 90's b-sides. After that, they were a mediocre band with mediocre albums with SOTSOG being the better of the mediocre ones. And GLIO/SCYHO being the better of the mediocre singles. In my opinion. I agree completely. Though I listened to SOTSOG and its b-sides the other week and, apart from a few shitty tracks, it wasn't too bad. |
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Post by mkoasis on Jan 20, 2013 21:16:21 GMT -5
Also, this is huge, but um. After hearing My Big Mouth and I Hope, I Think, I Know demos sung by Noel, I was amazed. I like the sung vocals better than Liams. Not the production, I love BHN's production. Loud. But it makes me thing and sometimes makes me mad. What songs could Noel really have sung on BHN? So far MBM, MP (Magic Pie), IHITIK. Probably DYKWIM? and DGA, after his epic acoustic perfomances. His Stand By Me demo is good, but his vocals in the chorus are too soft and not as upbeat as Liams, so therefore liams wins this. TGITDS, FIFO definitely Liam and then I don't know. I can imagine Noel singing amazing on BHN song, AATW and IGBM, but who knows... Interesting point. I've never thought about it before. DYKWIM? (some great Noel acoustic versions) MBM (the demo, chicago 96 and dublin 97) Magic Pie (demo and lots of live tracks to chose from) Stand By Me (acoustic versions and electric from japan 2000) IHITIK (the demo) TGITDS (dublin 97) Don't Go Away (lots of acoustic versions) BHN (dublin 97) AATW (30 sec clip of noel singing a demo of it) IGBM - nothing and now we have a few versions of Angel Child to use. |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 20, 2013 22:05:56 GMT -5
Sometimes I like She Is Love....sometimes. I actually love Mucky Fingers.
It annoys me that Noel won't play lead anymore. Granted he's only an average lead, but I'd still like him to play lead again. Liam's DOYS voice is fairly annoying. It will piss me off if Noel doesn't try a different producer next time. Nothing against Dave Sardy, but 3 records with producer is enough.
I actually like a lot of the Noel led SOTSOG's demos more than the album versions.
I'm still pissed that I had to miss BDI when they came around to Chicago. Hopefully I'll catch them this year.
I hope that one day either Oasis, Noel, or BDI play Lollapalooza in Chicago. But especially, Oasis. One of the biggest American music festivals, Oasis never played.
Oasis were never better than when they failed and got back-up. That's what truly made them a special band.
There, I said it.
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 20, 2013 22:06:27 GMT -5
SOTSOG may has some bad songs, but it really works well as an album, the same goes for DOYS, some songs on both albums, like GOYHHL and PYMWYMI, are more palatable when you listen to them as a whole. However BHN has some great songs but the album as a whole just doesn't work, too long and gives you a headache.
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Post by warewolf95 on Jan 20, 2013 22:28:34 GMT -5
the only 3 songs in the entire oasis catalog i hate are put your money where your mouth is , the quiet ones & the nature of reality. stole the fuckin words out of my mouth mate. I like the actual song PYMWYMI but the track/production of it I cant stand, with the distorted vocals and all |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 21, 2013 0:46:48 GMT -5
Better question is what was the point of the boring version of Helter Skelter from Milwaukee doing at the end of a Wembley show? Talk about random and not necessary. What's the point of complaining about getting an extra track?  If I wanted an extra track added to Familiar to Millions I'd prefer WDIAGW? from the US tour over a Beatles cover. I'm not in love with FTM being Oasis' only official live CD. As many have said, so many other, better, legendary gigs to documented. |
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Post by sebi.white on Jan 21, 2013 2:20:39 GMT -5
This thread should be called "THERE, I SAID IT"
I love Don't Believe The Truth - when I record drums, the natural, breathy wholesome sound from Zak is great and I love the atmosphere of that record. If I had to take one Oasis record to a desert island, I might even say this one over Definitely Maybe ... it sounds like the band were in good, harmonious, and rocking spirits when this was made.
The more I listen to Dig Out Your Soul the more disappointed I am with it, which is a shame. The second half that is. Apart from Falling Down. And I actually like Soldier On for some reason.
Noel's guitar sound in 2008 and 2009 is shockingly tinny and twangy, can't stand it. His sound coming through the Marshalls and the Fender Bassman in 2005 was fucking monumental.
Some of his constant improv soloing from the late 90s to 2000 irritates me no end.
I'm about to introduce my friend to Oasis properly since she's never had the incentive to get into them, and I'm realising that unless she's going to be a proper connoisseur, I only really want to show her the first two records - cos with the rest there's too much "ahhhh this one's not so great" and "well I like this cos it's ridiculously overblown" and "this was the one where the bass player started contributing" ... yeah. They were definitely a band that built up a legacy with the first two records and the b-sides, then just kept riding the wave until the end, which makes me sad to realise.
Still love them to death though!
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Post by vartex on Jan 21, 2013 2:54:12 GMT -5
This thread should be called "THERE, I SAID IT" I love Don't Believe The Truth - when I record drums, the natural, breathy wholesome sound from Zak is great and I love the atmosphere of that record. If I had to take one Oasis record to a desert island, I might even say this one over Definitely Maybe ... it sounds like the band were in good, harmonious, and rocking spirits when this was made. The more I listen to Dig Out Your Soul the more disappointed I am with it, which is a shame. The second half that is. Apart from Falling Down. And I actually like Soldier On for some reason. Noel's guitar sound in 2008 and 2009 is shockingly tinny and twangy, can't stand it. His sound coming through the Marshalls and the Fender Bassman in 2005 was fucking monumental. Some of his constant improv soloing from the late 90s to 2000 irritates me no end. I'm about to introduce my friend to Oasis properly since she's never had the incentive to get into them, and I'm realising that unless she's going to be a proper connoisseur, I only really want to show her the first two records - cos with the rest there's too much "ahhhh this one's not so great" and "well I like this cos it's ridiculously overblown" and "this was the one where the bass player started contributing" ... yeah. They were definitely a band that built up a legacy with the first two records and the b-sides, then just kept riding the wave until the end, which makes me sad to realise. Still love them to death though! good luck with introducing that girl, i dont think ive ever introduced anythiing successfully to anyone music wise. one day in guitar class i saw this girl trying to play wonderwall so i helped her, and asked the question. you like oasis? she says yes and asks if i know morning glory, little by little, scyho, some might say, stand by me, and some others, i was like "the hell" given their more popular songs but damn in my age group most people dont even know what wonderwall is. hopefully shes open to it! also thought i was only one who thought the guitar sounded off. the mid range tone was not as strong, also in many shows Gems guitar was waaay to low, whenever he played a lead part it sounded so distant and far away, |
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jan 21, 2013 3:16:48 GMT -5
I actually think that SOTSOG is a pretty good record. If they would've just taken of PYMWYMI, ICSAL and Little James, and added a few B-sides into it, while separating WDIAGW and Sunday Morning Call it probably would've been well received. The only album I really don't like is Heathen Chemistry, and that's because of the production....
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Post by Gergely on Jan 21, 2013 5:51:42 GMT -5
I really like The Meaning of Soul and Mucky Fingers. And Don't Believe The Truth is up with DM and WTSMG in spin numbers for me - a very consistent and good album in my books.
I think both Liam and Noel can be such major assholes towards the other that they deserve each other.
DOYS' second half is a tailspin, I never got the love for Falling Down as well. And the tour was just going through the motions - very professional yet very empty.
Noel-sung songs are refreshing on albums and in setlists. Yet a whole album sung by Noel can get pretty boring - I like the songs of NGHFB, but I hardly listen to it in its entirety.
The less Noel sang live in 1994-95 the better. He improved dramatically later for sure.
If Liam complains about the far too high volume of Oasis gigs, stating he had to "fight" with the guitars sonically, then why the fuck he skipped the soundchecks? And indeed, Beady Eye's live sound settings sounded better.
Where Did It All Go Wrong?'s studio version sucks the life out of the song. The Jools Holland one has some fragility which goes well with the song but the vocals are shaky and Gem's solo way too quiet, so I'm going for the semi-acoustic promo version on this one.
I can't stand Magic Pie along with She's Love and Hey Now!
Late Oasis live versions of Cigarettes & Alcohol piss all over the (IMO quite weak) studio recording.
I don't understand why There&Then was not an audio CD as well.
The most annoying thing for me about Oasis was always the setlist misery. Not altering it during tours (no, changing one or two songs is not a serious variation...) is simply laziness.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jan 21, 2013 6:35:39 GMT -5
hated their lazyness with the setlist too. i hope, that Beady Eye will suprise us with changing setlists on the next tour, cause now they have 2 albums and oasis tracks ( unexpected oasis tracks or something, like liam said).
my favourite album is "Don't believe the truth" and think that, the first two albums are great, but never understood THE hype around it. maybe it is difficult for me, cause i wasn't in Great Britain around the Britpop Hype, which was definitely exciting.
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Post by Casino Boogie on Jan 21, 2013 7:42:09 GMT -5
I love all of DOYS - I have no problem with GOYHHL, TBWTL, AGN, TNOR and SO. It just works as a whole album.
My favourite period is DBTT - this is easily my most played Oasis album (of recent years at least - I shudder to think how much time I spent listening to DM and MG back in the 90's).
I can't stand Who Put The Weight Of The World On My Shoulders - good intro but it just goes so whiney after that. Horrible.
I love HC. I have no problems with the production on that album. I always thought it was supposed to sound sludgey - a BRMC influence? It's often over looked that it was mixed by Mark 'Spike' Stent as well so the sound was obviously agreed by all to be as they required.
I hate the lead guitar on Thank You For The Good Times - it's just too loud, repetitive and ruins the song.
I loved the DOYS tour - musically they peaked with this and the DBTT tour.
I rarely - maybe once a year listen to MG or BHN. The former because I played it to death in the 90's - the latter because it's just too long and over blown - I really have to be in the mood to listen to it all the way through and I rarely find that I am.
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Post by sebi.white on Jan 21, 2013 8:30:49 GMT -5
Gergely, so trueee I never got that "I had to sing over the guitars" thing - it's like, Liam doesn't have to get the same monitor mix as the others, so just turn the guitar down and yourself up! Easy
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Post by manicsfan on Jan 21, 2013 8:43:22 GMT -5
I find the Knebworth gigs to be mediocre performances and I don't get the love for them.
There, I said it.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jan 21, 2013 8:51:51 GMT -5
DLBIA doesn't do anything for me, TM is far much better IMO. I don't really like either of them that much. Also, part of me thinks Noel is to blame for some awful decisions which mean that in years to come Oasis won't be given the credit they deserve. For someone with such high quality control he should never have allowed Be Here Now to be released until he'd written another six or seven decent songs. He then bottled it on SOTSOG by not including Let's All Make Believe and Heathen Chemistry was let down by terrible production (where are the drums?) and appalling songs apart from the singles. Don't Believe The Truth was boring and Dig Out Your Soul's second half was an embarrassment. |
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Post by hypermyth on Jan 21, 2013 9:36:29 GMT -5
you may say i'm a dreamer ( but i'm not the only one lol) but i still think oasis will come back in a couple of years
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Post by green eyed boy on Jan 21, 2013 10:58:33 GMT -5
I don't get the hate for the hats Noel and Liam wore at the beginning of BHN tour(can be seen in Right Here Right Now documentary), I think they looked great ;D I can't stand Noel's guitar sound on Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory songs during the BHN tour - it's too fuckin' loud(works with BHN songs though). I prefer the softer sound of Maine Road gigs  I think Little By Little, Stop Crying Your Heart Out and Let There Be Love are their best 00's songs. I think Noel's semi-acoustic version of Fade Away is better than the original. The only Oasis song I can't really stand is To Be Where There's Life, I can't listen to it without falling asleep. I love the 30-something repeats of ''it's gettin' better man'' at the end of the song |
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Post by mistakenidentity on Jan 21, 2013 13:32:50 GMT -5
I love Be Here Now and SOTSOG. Worst Oasis album for me is DBTT.
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2013 13:59:10 GMT -5
Have a love-hate relationship with Be Here Now, but I love the end of the album with All Around The World and It's Gettin Better Man. So ridiculously over the top it's hard not to be endeared by it.
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2013 14:03:13 GMT -5
If ever there was proof that Oasis had to split up, it was the atrocious second half of Dig Out Your Soul.
The most undignfied ending to an album I've ever heard - how Nature of Reality, To Be Where There's Life and Ain't Got Muffins got passed quality control is beyond all of us. You'd half expect burning effigies of the band at gigs in protest at this abomination! Soldier On is okay, but by then everyone's so pissed off they couldn't care less.
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Post by shoes222 on Jan 21, 2013 16:40:58 GMT -5
I'm probably going to get crucified for this, but I think 'Live Forever' is incredibly overrated and definitely not the best song in the Oasis catalogue. Even by Oasis standards, the chords and song structure are ridiculously basic and simple, (it may be the easiest song to play on the guitar, ever.) and the lyrics really aren't that profound, even though people consider this a 'deep' song. I much prefer Slide Away for a variety of reasons.
Besides that, I find myself agreeing with a lot of what everyone else has posted.
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 21, 2013 16:52:29 GMT -5
Alan's drumming on MG, BHN and SOTSOG are great and powerfull, but his drums on HC are terrible.
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Post by supernovadragon on Jan 22, 2013 12:08:11 GMT -5
Here goes:
Fucking In The Bushes is THE single worst Oasis album opener they ever did! Should never have made the album never mind been heard by us!
Don't Believe The Truth is THE 3rd best Oasis album
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