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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 8:17:11 GMT -5
This poll will also appear word-for-word on a Radiohead message board. Selected responses will be copied and pasted here for your reading pleasure.
Pablo Honey (1993) vs Definitely Maybe (1994)
What the critics said:
On PH: An enthralling triple-guitar attack that is alternately gentle and bracingly noisy. [Unfortunately,] the group has difficulty writing a set of songs that are as compelling as their sound (allmusic.com)
On DM: What makes Definitely Maybe so intoxicating is that it already resembles a greatest-hits album. From the swirling rush of "Rock 'n' Roll Star," through the sinewy "Shakermaker," to the heartbreaking "Live Forever," each song sounds like an instant classic. (allmusic.com)
Winner: Definitely Maybe
The Bends (1995) vs (What's the Story?) Morning Glory (1995)
On TB: Radiohead's brilliant second album (Rolling Stone Magazine)
On WTSMG: It's a bold leap forward that displays significant musical and personal growth [...] the future looks bright indeed. (Rolling Stone Magazine)
Winner: (What's the Story?) Morning Glory
Ok Computer (1997) vs Be Here Now (1997)
On OC: Truly, this is one of the greatest albums of living memory - and the one that distances Radiohead from their peers by an interstellar mile. (NME)
On BHN: [The musical equivalent of] Gazza recovering to score a hat-trick in the World Cup final in Paris next year [...] here are yet another 11 songs the slightly sozzled world will be bursting to sing. (NME)
Winner: Ok Computer
Kid A (2000) vs Standing on the Shoulder of Giants (2000)
On KA: An experience so thrilling, so confusing, so moving that it’s nearly orgasmic, and absolutely unforgettable. (Pop Matters)
On SOTSOG: It is a record that works better and better with repeated listens, a departure from the deliverance of immediate gratification that we have been taught to expect from Oasis. (Pop Matters)
Winner: Kid A
Amnesiac (2001) vs Heathen Chemistry (2002)
On A: Amnesiac's highlights are undeniably worth the wait, and easily overcome its occasional patchiness. (Pitchfork)
On HC: Leave me alone. (Pitchfork)
Winner: Amnesiac
Hail To The Thief (2004) vs Don't Believe The Truth (2005)
On HttT: Lethargic, whiny, so defeated they can barely muster the energy to get out of bed [...] it's neither startlingly different and fresh nor packed with the sort of anthemic songs that once made them the world's biggest band. (The Guardian)
On DBTT: Let's not get overexcited - it's no masterpiece - but this is the first Oasis album in a decade to suggest that they have a future rather than just a huge, asphyxiating past. (The Guardian)
Winner: Don't Believe The Truth
In Rainbows (2007) vs Dig Out Your Soul (2008)
On IR: Once again, Radiohead have proven themselves priceless. (Q Magazine)
On DOYS: An album that promises so much only to fall so short. (Q Magazine)
Winner: DOYS
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Post by jordan71421 on Sept 26, 2012 8:33:25 GMT -5
This poll will also appear word-for-word on a Radiohead message board. Selected responses will be copied and pasted here for your reading pleasure. Pablo Honey (1993) vs Definitely Maybe (1994) What the critics said: On PH: An enthralling triple-guitar attack that is alternately gentle and bracingly noisy. [Unfortunately,] the group has difficulty writing a set of songs that are as compelling as their sound (allmusic.com) On DM: What makes Definitely Maybe so intoxicating is that it already resembles a greatest-hits album. From the swirling rush of "Rock 'n' Roll Star," through the sinewy "Shakermaker," to the heartbreaking "Live Forever," each song sounds like an instant classic. (allmusic.com) Winner: Definitely Maybe The Bends (1995) vs (What's the Story?) Morning Glory (1995) On TB: Radiohead's brilliant second album (Rolling Stone Magazine) On WTSMG: It's a bold leap forward that displays significant musical and personal growth [...] the future looks bright indeed. (Rolling Stone Magazine) Winner: (What's the Story?) Morning Glory Ok Computer (1997) vs Be Here Now (1997) On OC: Truly, this is one of the greatest albums of living memory - and the one that distances Radiohead from their peers by an interstellar mile. (NME) On BHN: [The musical equivalent of] Gazza recovering to score a hat-trick in the World Cup final in Paris next year [...] here are yet another 11 songs the slightly sozzled world will be bursting to sing. (NME) Winner: Ok Computer Kid A (2000) vs Standing on the Shoulder of Giants (2000) On KA: An experience so thrilling, so confusing, so moving that it’s nearly orgasmic, and absolutely unforgettable. (Pop Matters) On SOTSOG: It is a record that works better and better with repeated listens, a departure from the deliverance of immediate gratification that we have been taught to expect from Oasis. (Pop Matters) Winner: Kid A Amnesiac (2001) vs Heathen Chemistry (2002) On A: Amnesiac's highlights are undeniably worth the wait, and easily overcome its occasional patchiness. (Pitchfork) On HC: Leave me alone. (Pitchfork) Winner: Amnesiac Hail To The Thief (2004) vs Don't Believe The Truth (2005) On HttT: Lethargic, whiny, so defeated they can barely muster the energy to get out of bed [...] it's neither startlingly different and fresh nor packed with the sort of anthemic songs that once made them the world's biggest band. (The Guardian) On DBTT: Let's not get overexcited - it's no masterpiece - but this is the first Oasis album in a decade to suggest that they have a future rather than just a huge, asphyxiating past. (The Guardian) Winner: Don't Believe The Truth In Rainbows (2007) vs Dig Out Your Soul (2008) On IR: Once again, Radiohead have proven themselves priceless. (Q Magazine) On DOYS: An album that promises so much only to fall so short. (Q Magazine) Winner: DOYS how does DOYS beat out IR with that type of review?
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Post by matt on Sept 26, 2012 8:45:05 GMT -5
I really like Radiohead, and The Bends is one of my favourite albums, and they are a band that are intriguing and fascninating to listen to.
But if I wanted to go for 'insecure lead singer pours his aching heart out into a song', then REM and The Smiths are way ahead of them here - lyrically far superior too. Also musically aswell, Radiohead are great musicians with great ability but there's nothing 'distinctive' about their music unlike Johnny Marr or Peter Buck, who counteract the pessimism of the lead singer with sprightly jangly pop guitars.
And if I wanted to go for 'artist progression' I'd go and listen to U2's progression from post punk exuberant band to ambient masters to their electro influenced dark style (forgetting 2000 onwards). Far more impressive than anything Radiohead have done.
And none of their songs quite have the melodic ability and punch of Oasis songs, nor do they touch your heart in the way songs like Live Forever do.
The thing with Radiohead is that everything that they are apparently good at, I can find many more bands who are actually better than them at doing it.
I LOVE the bands I've mentioned here - they really connect emotionally with me. With Radiohead, the nearest they come to doing that is with The Bends - they sporadically do that over the following albums. Sure, Paranoid Android may be a feat in musical brilliance, but it's hardly a song that you go 'this is a song that really gets who I am'. I'm rarely ever taken to an emotional place with this band, or rarely a physical place (if you know what I mean, ambient music for example, whether it's Sigur Ros or Unforgettable Fire era U2 reminds me of places I've been like desolate but stunning mountains).
With Radiohead, I like them and I really admire them, but I can't LOVE them. Hence, why I'm always in the belief that they are probably the most overrated band of all time.
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 26, 2012 9:04:17 GMT -5
Don't want to ruin the surprise for you, but I'm going to stick my neck out and say Oasis will get more votes on this, an Oasis site, while Radiohead will get more votes on there, a Radiohead site.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 9:07:54 GMT -5
Oasis.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Sept 26, 2012 9:42:41 GMT -5
An interesting idea with a very, very predictable outcome, I'm afraid. To me (and probably 99% of this forum), Oasis are better because of their style, philosophy and swagger alone (are there any Radiohead songs that instantly make you feel like you're on top of the world?) - not to mention that I dislike the way Radiohead actively try to be an "artistic" band.
I agree with every word in this post. Both R.E.M. and the Smiths manage to pull of the "introvert" songs better and both have more dimensions than that (not saying that Radiohead doesn't) - R.E.M. has classic, fast, melodic guitar rock songs and the Smiths, well, they're the Smiths. Oh, and Thom Yorke is a way worse frontman than Morrissey, Michael Stipe or Liam Gallagher. (If this sounds like I hate Radiohead, I really don't - I just don't think they're as good as they're made out to be.)
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 26, 2012 10:09:58 GMT -5
In Rainbows is light years better than Dig Out Your Soul. So many great tunes on that Radiohead album.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 12:54:17 GMT -5
At the moment, Radiohead are leading Oasis 10-5 on the Radiohead message board.
Selected comments:
"Oasis are a pretty decent bar band."
"i wonder who will win between the best british band and the worst british band "
"I'll probably never listen to Radiohead again, but I might listen to an Oasis song or a playlist occasionally."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 13:01:21 GMT -5
In Rainbows is light years better than Dig Out Your Soul. So many great tunes on that Radiohead album. agreed
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 13:19:09 GMT -5
Interestingly, the comments here are far more analytical than the ones on the Radiohead website. Enjoyed reading why it is that some of you love Oasis over Radiohead.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 26, 2012 14:05:59 GMT -5
I'm taking Radiohead over Oasis. Maybe it's because I've just become Oasis-out, but over the past year Radiohead has slowly been edging out Oasis as my favorite band.
Their roster of songs is fairly staggering: Fake Plastic Tress, National Anthem, High and Dry, Creep, Just, Karma Police, Airbag, Climbing Up the Walls, Let Down, Exit Music, Paranoid Android, Jigsaw, Bodysnatchers, Nude, and Lotus Flower.
I find OK Computer to be a near perfect album. The Bends is also brilliant and In Rainbows is blindingly amazing.
Oasis were musical and cultural icons, but Radiohead tapped far more into not just what people feel, but what they would feel. The thoughts of isolation, coldness, and the growing of the technological world. They were ahead of the curve in creating a cultural aesthetic for this generation for these feelings before anyone else.
Radiohead do not have the best frontman, nor do they the most innovative, nor are the best in any definable category. But ultimately what makes them great is their consistency. It's incredibly difficult to have two breakthrough albums and still remain consistently great. Radiohead are that combination of consistency, along with critical and commercial success. Very few bands are able to hit all three of those cylinders for an extended period of time as Radiohead have. And I haven't even mentioned Radiohead being an amazing live band.
For me, Oasis are a band that reminds me of being a teenager and the thoughts the world was ahead of me and that I could always escape. Radiohead reminds me that I live in the real world and as great as the thought of escapism can be, they remind me that that is rarely and completely possible. Oasis is the great dream world, Radiohead is the biting reality for the most part.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Sept 26, 2012 14:24:26 GMT -5
On some days, SOTSOG and Kid A - both 2000 and 4th album releases - are my favourites by the two bands, because they sounded different from what had come before and promised a bright future for both artists.
I don't like both bands follow ups Heathen C and Amnesiac, both were massive Let Downs bar 1 or 2 keepers (Pyramid Song, SCYHO) but Pulk-Pull Revolving Doors.. what the shit was that?.
Although King of Limbs largely sucked, bonus tracks like Supercollider and Daily Mail prove they still have the talent to create great catchy rock music, when they feel like it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 14:39:31 GMT -5
I really rate the Daily Mail. Though it was way too straightforward to fit on the King of Limbs, it deserved a place on a Radiohead album.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 26, 2012 14:52:49 GMT -5
I really rate the Daily Mail. Though it was way too straightforward to fit on the King of Limbs, it deserved a place on a Radiohead album. What about Staircase? That is one of their best songs from the King of Limbs era. Fantastic live track as well. Last I read Radiohead isn't really into the idea of making albums anymore. They want to release singles and EPs moving forward. I know they worked at Jack White's studio in Nashville for an upcoming single release. I'm hoping it is for Identikit and Skirting on the Surface.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 15:20:43 GMT -5
It didn't leave much of an impression on me, lennon2217 - re-listening to it now. I quite like the analogue synths and skittering beats, but I think I'm more of a Daily Mail man myself.
On second thought, it's getting better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 15:29:56 GMT -5
If I had to compare them chronologically: DM vs. Pablo Honey Winner: DM Morning Glory vs. The Bends Winner: Morning Glory Be Here Now vs. OK Computer Winner: OK Computer SotSoG vs. Kid A Winner: Kid A Heathen Chemistry vs. Amnesiac Winner: Amnesiac DBTT vs. Hail to the Thief Winner: DBTT DOYS vs. In Rainbows Winner: Draw Essentially tied, but I prefer Oasis. Musically, I'd give the upper hand to Radiohead, if only because their music asks for a more complex approach. Jonny Greenwood is, to me, one of the greatest guitar players of all time. I'll give Noel the fact that he can right a catchy riff and solo and can put together some great chord progressions, but he cant really compare. In a live setting, I'd put them on equal ground. Both were pretty fantastic (Oasis in 2008 and Radiohead earlier this year). Liam is a great frontman, but Thom has a wider vocal range. I suppose having Noel sing some of the tunes adds a more dynamic approach. In the end, I just like to listen to Oasis more. That's about it. I don't really feel the need to compare the two as they both represent important parts of British musical history. It is nice to see a Radiohead thread that doesn't incessantly bash them, but rather offer some meaningful conversation. Well done everyone. And, just to say, as much as critics like to name Radiohead the most forward thinking, innovative bands, etc. I really feel like that title should go to the Beastie Boys who did more to predict future trends, change their sound up album to album, and have a gold standard when it came to consistently releasing great records.
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 26, 2012 16:22:39 GMT -5
What I admire about Radiohead is that they are a more democratic band, the band members harmonise better with each other, they have the same producer for years, a producer who understand the sound of the band and how they work togheter, Greenwood is a great guitarrist and Thom usually take care of his voice.
On the other hand, Oasis was, in the first place, a dictactorship under Noel hands, a dictactor who had no confrotation (aside from a close minded Liam), a dictator who sometimes didn't took the right decisions like b-sides and albums tracklist, and a singer who dind't took care of his voice over the years. Big fights and bandmembers leaving showed how Oasis used to be compared to Radiohead.
Radiohead use to experiment more, even if they crossed the pretentious line a few times, however Oasis had more passion, they are more real to me, but they are two very differente bands, like apples and oranges.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Sept 27, 2012 4:56:12 GMT -5
But ultimately what makes them great is their consistency. It's incredibly difficult to have two breakthrough albums and still remain consistently great. Radiohead are that combination of consistency, along with critical and commercial success. Very few bands are able to hit all three of those cylinders for an extended period of time as Radiohead have. And I haven't even mentioned Radiohead being an amazing live band. As I said before - the exact same things could be said about R.E.M. and the Smiths, and both do have exceptional frontmen. Those two would probably make for better comparisons to Radiohead, and I don't think Radiohead would win against either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2012 5:56:23 GMT -5
The Daily Mail and Staircase are great tracks!
These Are My Twisted Words / Harry Patch are overlooked gems too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2012 8:28:10 GMT -5
I have never understood the fascination people have with Radiohead. They never did anything for me. But then again, I tend to prefer bands that don't try too hard. Radiohead always comes across as trying to hard to write music. To me music is about a feeling, a groove, which is many time immediate and instant. Oasis always have that instant feeling to me. Radiohead never gave me that.
Also, I think Creep is the worst song I've ever heard. Not sure why, but that tune irks me to no end. It is like nails on a blackboard to me. I don't hate Radiohead, but I don't go out of my way to hear them either.
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Post by RocketMan on Sept 27, 2012 8:35:38 GMT -5
it's not hard to understand why people hate radiohead on an oasis forum. radioheads music hits you it does nothing to you. period
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 27, 2012 8:45:51 GMT -5
I just love how Radiohead's original lineup is still intact since they began in 1993. They also do very little interviews, never slag off anyone and never really toot their own horn. The press did that since they are huge critical darlings. They also always kept things interesting and fresh with every release. I can't say that was true with Oasis post 1997. Each album was fragmented for various reasons. Dig Out Your Soul is a perfect example. The first half is brilliant, the second half was lackluster. A lot of that has to do with the quality of songs selected. Gotta go with your best tunes. Oasis has been my favorite band since 1995 but I gotta give much respect to the genius that is Radiohead and their live experience.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Sept 27, 2012 8:46:45 GMT -5
it's not hard to understand why people hate radiohead on an oasis forum. radioheads music hits you it does nothing to you. period Funnily enough even the slightly anti-Radiohead commentors here (like myself) still say that they like the band to some extent. That's a good point. Oasis songs (the first 3 albums at least) feel very natural, like songs that were just waiting to be written (yeah, that sounds stupid ) while many Radiohead songs - even the good ones - sound kind of manufactured, artificial even.
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Post by matt on Sept 27, 2012 9:38:44 GMT -5
Everyone goes on about how Radiohead carefully craft their songs. I don't care much for that, I really don't. Classical music is carefully crafted but far more emotional too.
Like I mentioned with Paranoid Android, it's a brilliantly crafted piece of music - but that's all it is. Live Forever is straight forward, comes from the heart and pours emotion over the listener. Paranoid Android comes from all in the head, no heart or soul to it at all, and essentially, music is the sound of emotions. Radiohead fall flat on their face more than most.
And another reason why I can't take them seriously is because they are so serious and po faced. Thom Yorke seems like the sort of guy people would deliberately avoid in the pub because he is so serious and miserable, with no sense of humour. There are moments when Oasis had a bit of fun in their songs, The Beatles did, The Smiths always had a bit of humour, REM aswell, The Rolling Stones too, etc. Many of their songs do provide a somewhat 'comic relief' effect with some lyrics. I'm not saying I go to listen to bands to have a laugh, but it's human nature that we are attracted to those who don't take it all so seriously... and we're more human for these qualities aswell. I for one cannot stand people with no sense of humour - it's like talking to a brick wall, and Radiohead are the musical equivalent of that - I just can't get through to them, and as a result, I don't care for them.
Many songs of theirs do deal with personal subjects, but as I and TheResurrection have said, many other bands do it so much better. A lot of Radiohead's songs deal with, as spaneli said, growing discontent with the technological world and politics - this is once aspect I couldn't care about. I can't emotionally connect to political songs - I think Bob Dylan's best songs are nonpolitical, as with U2. This is not to say I don't care for current affairs - I'm in my final year studying Politics and International Relations. It's a great interest of mine, but music is something which is meant to switch me off from the world outside and let me bathe in my own thoughts. I realise it is the world we live in, but I want bands to reflect my world and my world only, and what is unique to me - this is what music is about, projecting my thoughts into sound.
The reason I write so much on this is because a lot of Radiohead fans (who are one of the main reasons to put you off this band - the self proclaimed hipster brigade) claim you're not intelligent enough to like them and that you only like three chord pop with simple lyrics - what they see as Oasis for example. Of course, this is what the narrow minded would think. I think as this thread shows, there are plenty of constructive and rational arguments as to why Radiohead just aren't as good as they are made out to be.
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Post by RocketMan on Sept 27, 2012 9:40:32 GMT -5
radiohead is an artificial band. they don't want to be understood by everyone. sometimes it looks like they're trying it to hard but even that is debatable because not everyone get this kind of music
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