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Post by Bittersweet Split on Jul 19, 2013 17:50:30 GMT -5
The 'current' bands that I really like are probably Arctic Monkeys, The Vaccines, The Black Keys, Kasabian, We Are Augustines, The Gaslight Anthem, Spector, Biffy Clyro and The Courteeners. Btw, Jake Bugg's pretty shit... Frank Turner > Jake Bugg He's a young guy and I'm willing to give him a chance, but you are spot on. He's got nothing on Frank Turner. It amazes me what an image can do for a career. Whether it's the nice guy pleasantries of nice guy sounding songs like Ed Sheeran, or the 'rebel without a cause' style of Jake Bugg, it all sounds the same to me - i.e. nothing special. Frank Turner, just an ordinary guy, writes tunes of much higher quality in my opinion yet receives no attention. To be fair I've only heard his album Tape Deck Heart, but I wouldn't put it significantly above Jake Bugg's debut in terms of quality(apart from the fact that it wasn't written by other people) More of a personal thing, but I think it is his 'ordinary guy' style that hurts him. Often times I like the music and things going on (The Way I Tend to be is the best example), but cannot find myself identifying with the lyrics, or the person singing. He sounds too normal/polished/inauthentic. that one line in 4 simple words makes me cringe every time: Somebody told me that music with guitars Was going out of fashion, and I had to laugh. This shit wasn't fashionable back when I fell in love, So if the hipsters move on why should I give a fuck? not to say he isn't both underrated and a good artist but personally he couldn't be my guitar/music saviour, if that is even a thing. |
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Jul 19, 2013 17:52:31 GMT -5
Bit of a strange comparision, since ones only a kid and the other's a 30 year old bloke. Here's one for you, Alex > Frank  Dude, you in any arctic monkeys thread is worse than spaneli/gdforever in the BE Charting thread |
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Post by matt on Jul 19, 2013 18:42:01 GMT -5
Bit of a strange comparision, since ones only a kid and the other's a 30 year old bloke. Here's one for you, Alex > Frank Age doesn't mean a great deal in music to me, Weller was writing better songs than most when he was 20 in The Jam. It's more of them being lumped into a similar genre of "acoustic'y music", so you get stupid headlines like "Frank Turner, The Next Ed Sheeran" (which is a genuine article I read sometime ago). My point is that as somewhat similar artists, Frank proves better as a solo musician to me than Jake Bugg. If I had to pick between Frank and Alex though, I'd marginally go with Frank. That was a hard one as they're both in my Top 5 favourites, but I can resonate with Frank's music more than I can with that of Arctic Monkeys's. Frank Turner, the next Ed Sheeran? Lord above... I think Turner is the only contemporary English solo artist I listen to, a really good Scottish solo artist called Roddy Woomble too (lead singer of Idlewild). With all the hype, I'm expecting guys like Sheeran, Bugg and (to add to that list) Ben Howard to be something special, but they're anything but. I would love if one of them turned out to be the English equivalent of Ryan Adams or Jeff Buckley but I can't see it. Again, the biggest culprit for this is NME - they hype up Bugg but slate Sheeran, but at the end of the day, their level pegging in terms of talent I think. The NME and their 'saviours of music' are becoming a joke now. After all, it was that rag piece that gave attention to shit bands like Brother and The Enemy when they didn't deserve it at all. In hindsight, they must see it as a mistake (surely???) but as a result, these acts hung around like an STD. Simply for the pathetic reason that they had an 'image' (no matter how contrived or derivative it was). |
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Post by marqueemoon on Jul 19, 2013 18:55:58 GMT -5
Holy shit, I forgot about Brother and The Enemy. Who is the modern day equivalent of them? Palma Violets?
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Post by John William Anglin on Jul 21, 2013 4:55:53 GMT -5
still Arcade Fire for me...
God bless.
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Post by onlyanorthernboy on Jul 21, 2013 17:32:02 GMT -5
I agree about the NME, hyping shit bands up. Its cos they have a beatle/oasisque haircut. Jake bugg, the enemy etc. And there's no way Jake Bugg would support Noel and The Roses if he looked like Ed Sheeren.
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Post by Bruno on Jul 22, 2013 2:06:13 GMT -5
I agree about the NME, hyping shit bands up. Its cos they have a beatle/oasisque haircut. Jake bugg, the enemy etc. And there's no way Jake Bugg would support Noel and The Roses if he looked like Ed Sheeren. Have you seen Jake Bugg play the guitar. He's really something. There's real talent there if you're willing to open your mind. |
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Post by marqueemoon on Jul 22, 2013 2:26:12 GMT -5
I agree about the NME, hyping shit bands up. Its cos they have a beatle/oasisque haircut. Jake bugg, the enemy etc. And there's no way Jake Bugg would support Noel and The Roses if he looked like Ed Sheeren. Have you seen Jake Bugg play the guitar. He's really something. There's real talent there if you're willing to open your mind. There isn't anything special about his guitar playing. I saw him at a festival earlier this year, average tunes and an angry scowl on his face the whole time. Though I am curious to see if he can write a hit on his own or if he'll go down the same path Miles Kane is. |
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Post by Bruno on Jul 22, 2013 2:32:25 GMT -5
Have you seen Jake Bugg play the guitar. He's really something. There's real talent there if you're willing to open your mind. There isn't anything special about his guitar playing. I saw him at a festival earlier this year, average tunes and an angry scowl on his face the whole time. Though I am curious to see if he can write a hit on his own or if he'll go down the same path Miles Kane is. If you say so but that sort of finger picking is something special to me at least. His album was also pretty good. Nah, he's definitely not overrated. |
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Post by marqueemoon on Jul 22, 2013 2:44:04 GMT -5
There isn't anything special about his guitar playing. I saw him at a festival earlier this year, average tunes and an angry scowl on his face the whole time. Though I am curious to see if he can write a hit on his own or if he'll go down the same path Miles Kane is. If you say so but that sort of finger picking is something special to me at least. His album was also pretty good. Nah, he's definitely not overrated. He's not a bad guitar player, there isn't anything particularly unique about his style. He tries to hard to recall the past. My main problem with him is that he's got a poor attitude. He calls out acts like Mumford and Sons and One Direction when he is just as corporate as they are. A bit hypocritical considering most of his songs are co-written with a guy who writes for Snow Patrol and Example. |
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Post by Bruno on Jul 22, 2013 2:59:57 GMT -5
If you say so but that sort of finger picking is something special to me at least. His album was also pretty good. Nah, he's definitely not overrated. He's not a bad guitar player, there isn't anything particularly unique about his style. He tries to hard to recall the past. My main problem with him is that he's got a poor attitude. He calls out acts like Mumford and Sons and One Direction when he is just as corporate as they are. A bit hypocritical considering most of his songs are co-written with a guy who writes for Snow Patrol and Example. Ok. He co-writes songs, is that so wrong? Writing for Snow Patrol isn't a crime ya know. He is a good singer/performer and has co-written all his songs. One direction don't do that. If he has said something about Mumford and Sons then he must have his preferences I can't speak for him. What do you mean by corporate? Just because he has a partner to write songs, now he's corporate? That statement is a bit skewed anyway you look at it. |
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Post by marqueemoon on Jul 22, 2013 3:22:13 GMT -5
He's not a bad guitar player, there isn't anything particularly unique about his style. He tries to hard to recall the past. My main problem with him is that he's got a poor attitude. He calls out acts like Mumford and Sons and One Direction when he is just as corporate as they are. A bit hypocritical considering most of his songs are co-written with a guy who writes for Snow Patrol and Example. Ok. He co-writes songs, is that so wrong? Writing for Snow Patrol isn't a crime ya know. He is a good singer/performer and has co-written all his songs. One direction don't do that. If he has said something about Mumford and Sons then he must have his preferences I can't speak for him. What do you mean by corporate? Just because he has a partner to write songs, now he's corporate? That statement is a bit skewed anyway you look at it. What's wrong is that he criticizes other bands for being "fake" when he can't even fill an album of his own originals. But of course he has to churn out an album because he is under a major label and they want to make money off of him as quickly as possible. The kid's got some good PR, I'll give him that. It's amazing how so many people perceive him to be "real" just because he has a guitar. Anyway, in the end I wouldn't really care if I liked his music, but I don't. Fair play to those who do though, he certainly isn't the worst out there. |
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Post by Bruno on Jul 22, 2013 3:35:26 GMT -5
Ok. He co-writes songs, is that so wrong? Writing for Snow Patrol isn't a crime ya know. He is a good singer/performer and has co-written all his songs. One direction don't do that. If he has said something about Mumford and Sons then he must have his preferences I can't speak for him. What do you mean by corporate? Just because he has a partner to write songs, now he's corporate? That statement is a bit skewed anyway you look at it. What's wrong is that he criticizes other bands for being "fake" when he can't even fill an album of his own originals. But of course he has to churn out an album because he is under a major label and they want to make money off of him as quickly as possible. The kid's got some good PR, I'll give him that. It's amazing how so many people perceive him to be "real" just because he has a guitar. Anyway, in the end I wouldn't really care if I liked his music, but I don't. Fair play to those who do though, he certainly isn't the worst out there. He's written all the songs or has a hand in writing them, at least he has credits on all the songs on the album. It's his debut album, where does "churning out albums" come from? If he's fortunate enough to get signed by a label it's only natural he would release an album. |
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Post by marqueemoon on Jul 22, 2013 3:49:47 GMT -5
What's wrong is that he criticizes other bands for being "fake" when he can't even fill an album of his own originals. But of course he has to churn out an album because he is under a major label and they want to make money off of him as quickly as possible. The kid's got some good PR, I'll give him that. It's amazing how so many people perceive him to be "real" just because he has a guitar. Anyway, in the end I wouldn't really care if I liked his music, but I don't. Fair play to those who do though, he certainly isn't the worst out there. He's written all the songs or has a hand in writing them, at least he has credits on all the songs on the album. It's his debut album, where does "churning out albums" come from? If he's fortunate enough to get signed by a label it's only natural he would release an album. I just said album, as in his debut. If he wanted be as genuine as he thinks he is, he should have waited and come up with the tunes on his own, but there aren't any stops on the hype train until the very end. All in all, I probably wouldn't have such a negative opinion on him if he kept his mouth shut and didn't release such (in my opinion) derivative music. I hate the idea that only guitar music is "real" and Bugg is definitely marketed to the audience that thinks that. Anyway, like I said, I'm curious to see where he goes from here. If he creates a really good second album, I'll take it all back. |
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Post by Bruno on Jul 22, 2013 3:56:19 GMT -5
He's written all the songs or has a hand in writing them, at least he has credits on all the songs on the album. It's his debut album, where does "churning out albums" come from? If he's fortunate enough to get signed by a label it's only natural he would release an album. I just said album, as in his debut. If he wanted be as genuine as he thinks he is, he should have waited and come up with the tunes on his own, but there aren't any stops on the hype train until the very end. All in all, I probably wouldn't have such a negative opinion on him if he kept his mouth shut and didn't release such (in my opinion) derivative music. I hate the idea that only guitar music is "real" and Bugg is definitely marketed to the audience that thinks that. Anyway, like I said, I'm curious to see where he goes from here. If he creates a really good second album, I'll take it all back. Alright...fair enough. |
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Post by onlyanorthernboy on Jul 22, 2013 4:13:46 GMT -5
Ill never understand the need to have a go at boy bands. One direction know that they are. Just a pop band for teenage girls. They never said they're "rock n roll". But maybe he's jealous of harry styles being more "rock n roll" than he is.
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Jul 22, 2013 4:45:35 GMT -5
There isn't anything special about his guitar playing. I saw him at a festival earlier this year, average tunes and an angry scowl on his face the whole time. Though I am curious to see if he can write a hit on his own or if he'll go down the same path Miles Kane is. If you say so but that sort of finger picking is something special to me at least. His album was also pretty good. Nah, he's definitely not overrated. Overrated is exactly what Jake Bugg is. He released a good album - and that's it, he isn't a bad artist or anything. There are tonnes and tonnes of bands that write good, great and even brilliant albums that have far less hype, success and following than him. (and they write their own songs). That, is the issue with Jake Bugg. |
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Post by Bruno on Jul 22, 2013 6:48:21 GMT -5
If you say so but that sort of finger picking is something special to me at least. His album was also pretty good. Nah, he's definitely not overrated. Overrated is exactly what Jake Bugg is. He released a good album - and that's it, he isn't a bad artist or anything. There are tonnes and tonnes of bands that write good, great and even brilliant albums that have far less hype, success and following than him. (and they write their own songs). That, is the issue with Jake Bugg. No, that is your issue with Jake Bugg. Wow, some of you are really bent out of shape over the fact that he's not written all the songs alone by himself. Never knew that was such a vital part of being a good artist. Co-writing songs and calling himself good, how dare he! |
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Post by onlyanorthernboy on Jul 22, 2013 6:52:21 GMT -5
Overrated is exactly what Jake Bugg is. He released a good album - and that's it, he isn't a bad artist or anything. There are tonnes and tonnes of bands that write good, great and even brilliant albums that have far less hype, success and following than him. (and they write their own songs). That, is the issue with Jake Bugg. No, that is your issue with Jake Bugg. Wow, some of you are really bent out of shape over the fact that he's not written all the songs alone by himself. Never knew that was such a vital part of being a good artist. Co-writing songs and calling himself good, how dare he! Its the fact he had a go at One Direction for not writing there own songs when he doesn't himself. |
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Post by Bruno on Jul 22, 2013 6:59:23 GMT -5
No, that is your issue with Jake Bugg. Wow, some of you are really bent out of shape over the fact that he's not written all the songs alone by himself. Never knew that was such a vital part of being a good artist. Co-writing songs and calling himself good, how dare he! Its the fact he had a go at One Direction for not writing there own songs when he doesn't himself. One Direction hire like 10 people to write their songs, he has one partner maybe two but never more than one on the same song and he's got co-writing credits for all the songs excluding the ones he's written solely by himself. I never knew slagging off One Direction would work so badly in his favour. You guys seem very taken with the band if you keep citing that as one of the main reasons why he's overrated. Anyway this is getting to be a circular argument. If you don't like him fair enough, but if it's because of these reasons then all I'll say is that you're missing out some good music because of this small hangover that he's not written all the songs solely by himself. Co-writing a song doesn't make it any less enjoyable. But hey that's just my point of view. |
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Post by onlyanorthernboy on Jul 22, 2013 7:08:47 GMT -5
Its the fact he had a go at One Direction for not writing there own songs when he doesn't himself. One Direction hire like 10 people to write their songs, he has one partner maybe two but never more than one on the same song and he's got co-writing credits for all the songs excluding the ones he's written solely by himself. I never knew slagging off One Direction would work so badly in his favour. You guys seem very taken with the band if you keep citing that as one of the main reasons why he's overrated. Anyway this is getting to be a circular argument. If you don't like him fair enough, but if it's because of these reasons then all I'll say is that you're missing out some good music because of this small hangover that he's not written all the songs solely by himself. Co-writing a song doesn't make it any less enjoyable. But hey that's just my point of view. I know what your saying but slagging of boy bands is pointless. It just makes him look an idiot. |
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Post by Bruno on Jul 22, 2013 7:17:31 GMT -5
One Direction hire like 10 people to write their songs, he has one partner maybe two but never more than one on the same song and he's got co-writing credits for all the songs excluding the ones he's written solely by himself. I never knew slagging off One Direction would work so badly in his favour. You guys seem very taken with the band if you keep citing that as one of the main reasons why he's overrated. Anyway this is getting to be a circular argument. If you don't like him fair enough, but if it's because of these reasons then all I'll say is that you're missing out some good music because of this small hangover that he's not written all the songs solely by himself. Co-writing a song doesn't make it any less enjoyable. But hey that's just my point of view. I know what your saying but slagging of boy bands is pointless. It just makes him look an idiot. Maybe he is a complete idiot. Does that really matter when listening to music? I mean Liam's also been slagging off One Direction, that doesn't stop us from enjoying his music so why should it be such an issue with Jake Bugg. |
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Post by onlyanorthernboy on Jul 22, 2013 7:24:54 GMT -5
I know what your saying but slagging of boy bands is pointless. It just makes him look an idiot. Maybe he is a complete idiot. Does that really matter when listening to music? I mean Liam's also been slagging off One Direction, that doesn't stop us from enjoying his music so why should it be such an issue with Jake Bugg. If your gonna slag someone off you've gotta be able to back it up. Jake can't. |
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Post by Bruno on Jul 22, 2013 7:30:13 GMT -5
Maybe he is a complete idiot. Does that really matter when listening to music? I mean Liam's also been slagging off One Direction, that doesn't stop us from enjoying his music so why should it be such an issue with Jake Bugg. If your gonna slag someone off you've gotta be able to back it up. Jake can't. Alright, I really can't debate this anymore. If you don't like him you just don't. Fair enough. |
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jul 22, 2013 8:03:19 GMT -5
Im with Bruno on this one, Jake Bugg is defo a talent and will be around for years to come. He is fully justified in slaggin off One Direction, anyone who can even write their own name down on paper is also fully justified in slaggin off One Direction. Jake loves Oasis and the Monkeys, that tells me all i need to know TBH, and don't understand people on here talking him down. Im not too keen on his music in all honesty, but he deserves his success no doubt about it, One Direction on the other hand..... |
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