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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 12:44:40 GMT -5
Surely High Flying Birds has bucked that trend? Sold well initially, then built on good word of mouth.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 27, 2012 12:50:09 GMT -5
Surely High Flying Birds has bucked that trend? Sold well initially, then built on good word of mouth. Oh yeah, no doubt about that. It might be in the Top 20 of highest selling albums in the UK for back to back years. It debuted with 120k in sales. Since it has sold nearly 580k. And it's still selling more. So yes, he's definitely broken the trend.  |
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Post by gdforever on Aug 27, 2012 13:45:14 GMT -5
I think he'll have outsold SOTSOG by the end of the week. And considering the relative record buying climates of 2000 vs 2012. He's outperformed it by a massive measure. SOTSOG was a massive flop though, by Oasis standards. Totally. But I wouldn't have expected Noel to have even matched an Oasis flop when this was released. The fact that the sales of HFB would have been acceptable for an Oasis album is great. Some artists would kill for double platinum flops btw. :p2 |
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Post by leak4ever on Aug 27, 2012 15:48:38 GMT -5
DM>WTSMG>BHN>HFB
That's right, 4th best album by Oasis/Noel. I'd stopped listening to SOTSOG, HC, DBTT, DOYS a year after release. HFB is still going strong on my playlist. And I've talked to many non-Oasis fans who think HFB is great.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 27, 2012 15:54:15 GMT -5
DM>WTSMG>BHN>HFB That's right, 4th best album by Oasis/Noel. I'd stopped listening to SOTSOG, HC, DBTT, DOYS a year after release. HFB is still going strong on my playlist. And I've talked to many non-Oasis fans who think HFB is great. That's about where it's at on my rankings too. And I think it's probably going to stay there. Only DBTT comes close for me. Both have good supporting tracks, but I don't think DBTT's best songs are as good HFB's best are. So that's what gives HFB's the edge for me. |
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Post by leak4ever on Aug 27, 2012 16:27:55 GMT -5
DM>WTSMG>BHN>HFB That's right, 4th best album by Oasis/Noel. I'd stopped listening to SOTSOG, HC, DBTT, DOYS a year after release. HFB is still going strong on my playlist. And I've talked to many non-Oasis fans who think HFB is great. That's about where it's at on my rankings too. And I think it's probably going to stay there. Only DBTT comes close for me. Both have good supporting tracks, but I don't think DBTT's best songs are as good HFB's best are. So that's what gives HFB's the edge for me. DBTT was good but there's quite a few songs that I just can't listen to anymore (LLAB, GGTIA). HFB is pretty consistent throughout, with a few songs amongst the best Noel has ever written. |
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Post by GIMH on Aug 28, 2012 0:21:14 GMT -5
SOTSOG was a massive flop though, by Oasis standards. Totally. But I wouldn't have expected Noel to have even matched an Oasis flop when this was released. The fact that the sales of HFB would have been acceptable for an Oasis album is great. Some artists would kill for double platinum flops btw. :p2 Indeed, but Noel was said at the time to be pretty cut up by its sales. I believe personally that that's why he let the others write half an album. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Aug 28, 2012 2:07:11 GMT -5
Totally. But I wouldn't have expected Noel to have even matched an Oasis flop when this was released. The fact that the sales of HFB would have been acceptable for an Oasis album is great. Some artists would kill for double platinum flops btw. :p2 Indeed, but Noel was said at the time to be pretty cut up by its sales. I believe personally that that's why he let the others write half an album.I think this is the biggest mistake he made in oasis. Should have stayed writing all the songs himself. |
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Post by GIMH on Aug 28, 2012 13:58:59 GMT -5
Indeed, but Noel was said at the time to be pretty cut up by its sales. I believe personally that that's why he let the others write half an album.I think this is the biggest mistake he made in oasis. Should have stayed writing all the songs himself. I don't completely agree, but it never should have become a quota. Simply, pick the best 10-12 songs per album. If that's 12 Noel songs great. If it's 8 Noel, 3 Liam and 1 Gem then so be it. I know you'd disagree, but looking at the other stuff released around the same time, I wouldn't change much about the DBTT track list, but DOYS was an example of quota for the sake of quota. Although even then the Liam and Andy song choices werent the best available. |
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Post by gdforever on Aug 28, 2012 14:12:49 GMT -5
I think, for all it's flaws, HC was better for having the other contribute than Noel would have released writing on his own.
But yeah...the quota system was what hurt some Oasis albums. Gem and Andy each having 1-2 then Liam having the remainder of the half and Noel doing half.
Particularly when you got to DOYS and they picked the tunes by Andy and Gem that could be best tailored to fit with Noel songs instead of picking their best tunes. But then of they'd picked their best tunes they would have fit the flow of the record...which was the point of DOYS.
They either sacrificed quality for flow or flow for quality. Flawed system.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 28, 2012 16:37:05 GMT -5
I think, for all it's flaws, HC was better for having the other contribute than Noel would have released writing on his own. But yeah...the quota system was what hurt some Oasis albums. Gem and Andy each having 1-2 then Liam having the remainder of the half and Noel doing half. Particularly when you got to DOYS and they picked the tunes by Andy and Gem that could be best tailored to fit with Noel songs instead of picking their best tunes. But then of they'd picked their best tunes they would have fit the flow of the record...which was the point of DOYS. They either sacrificed quality for flow or flow for quality. Flawed system. I don't think they achieved any "flow" on Dig Out Your Soul. They came out swinging in the first half but the second half falls flat. I'd much prefer the flow to be quality track after quality track. Give me an album to listen to all the way through like HFB. |
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Post by gdforever on Aug 28, 2012 19:21:32 GMT -5
I think, for all it's flaws, HC was better for having the other contribute than Noel would have released writing on his own. But yeah...the quota system was what hurt some Oasis albums. Gem and Andy each having 1-2 then Liam having the remainder of the half and Noel doing half. Particularly when you got to DOYS and they picked the tunes by Andy and Gem that could be best tailored to fit with Noel songs instead of picking their best tunes. But then of they'd picked their best tunes they would have fit the flow of the record...which was the point of DOYS. They either sacrificed quality for flow or flow for quality. Flawed system. I don't think they achieved any "flow" on Dig Out Your Soul. They came out swinging in the first half but the second half falls flat. I'd much prefer the flow to be quality track after quality track. Give me an album to listen to all the way through like HFB. I think HFB has quality and flow and that is why I like it so much. I think DBTT was quality but little flow. And DOYS flowed with the quality suffering. I don't think Oasis could ever find a balance between all the songwriters. Noel set the direction and the rest just made due but I don't think they were heading in the same direction. As is apparent by the difference between HFB and DGSS |
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2012 3:00:15 GMT -5
Particularly when you got to DOYS and Noel picked the tunes by Andy and Gem that could be best tailored to fit with Noel songs instead of picking their best tunes. But then if Noel picked their best tunes they wouldn't have fit the flow of the record...which was the point of DOYS. Noel either sacrificed quality for flow or flow for quality. Flawed system. Fixed that for you. |
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Aug 29, 2012 6:38:01 GMT -5
I think, for all it's flaws, HC was better for having the other contribute than Noel would have released writing on his own. But yeah...the quota system was what hurt some Oasis albums. Gem and Andy each having 1-2 then Liam having the remainder of the half and Noel doing half. Particularly when you got to DOYS and they picked the tunes by Andy and Gem that could be best tailored to fit with Noel songs instead of picking their best tunes. But then of they'd picked their best tunes they would have fit the flow of the record...which was the point of DOYS. They either sacrificed quality for flow or flow for quality. Flawed system. what DBTT was the only other album with legitimate flow, the tracks on average aren't nearly as good as Be Here Now/Definitely Maybe/Morning Glory, the reason it consistently gets placed as 4th (or 3rd) best is because it does have flow and works as an album. Just because there are no skippers does not mean its filled of top quality material. HFB on the other hand is filled with top quality material, its good shit - the weakest song there easily outshines the weakest from any post MG album - actually maybe just MG tops it here considering Digsy's Dinner. It lacks flow, it has less than fucking Standing on the Shoulders, (I would say DGSS here but argument starting isn't really my thing  ) DOYS was going for a sound, and kind of failed. It's not really a good comparison for this. |
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Post by spaneli on Aug 29, 2012 7:33:18 GMT -5
I think, for all it's flaws, HC was better for having the other contribute than Noel would have released writing on his own. But yeah...the quota system was what hurt some Oasis albums. Gem and Andy each having 1-2 then Liam having the remainder of the half and Noel doing half. Particularly when you got to DOYS and they picked the tunes by Andy and Gem that could be best tailored to fit with Noel songs instead of picking their best tunes. But then of they'd picked their best tunes they would have fit the flow of the record...which was the point of DOYS. They either sacrificed quality for flow or flow for quality. Flawed system. what DBTT was the only other album with legitimate flow, the tracks on average aren't nearly as good as Be Here Now/Definitely Maybe/Morning Glory, the reason it consistently gets placed as 4th (or 3rd) best is because it does have flow and works as an album. Just because there are no skippers does not mean its filled of top quality material. HFB on the other hand is filled with top quality material, its good shit - the weakest song there easily outshines the weakest from any post MG album - actually maybe just MG tops it here considering Digsy's Dinner. It lacks flow, it has less than fucking Standing on the Shoulders, (I would say DGSS here but argument starting isn't really my thing ) DOYS was going for a sound, and kind of failed. It's not really a good comparison for this. Would agree with the "flow". DBTT might be the only Oasis album that has great flow. DOYS has better than most, but I wouldn't say that it has great flow either, maybe not even decent. Flow isn't just a sound, it's also the songs working together. Each one making the other better and there being almost a conversation. Which is why I think DM has good flow. Because the songs on that album very much compliment each other. HFB's is a collection of good, very good and great songs. Not necessarily great flow, only in the sense that there's not the one dud that detracts from what songs have played before it and what will be played after it. But in the general sense of songs complimenting each other, creating a conversation, and also have a distinct drive and sound, it greatly lacks in flow. |
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Post by gdforever on Aug 29, 2012 9:16:33 GMT -5
Particularly when you got to DOYS and Noel picked the tunes by Andy and Gem that could be best tailored to fit with Noel songs instead of picking their best tunes. But then if Noel picked their best tunes they wouldn't have fit the flow of the record...which was the point of DOYS. Noel either sacrificed quality for flow or flow for quality. Flawed system. Fixed that for you. That's what this board needs. More blame placing. Thanks. We can't just discuss Oasis anymore. Any criticisms have to be connected to one brother or the other Finally a good discussion on a thread and someone has to come along to the Oasis criticism into an attack on one brother or the other? It's not even just trolls any more And try reading my post a couple down were I say Noel set the direction and the rest made due. Don't need you to point out Noel's part in it...I'm well aware without the snippy comments. |
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Post by gdforever on Aug 29, 2012 9:30:03 GMT -5
I think that DBTT is great and quality. Don't think it flows stylistically, lyrically, or thematically one track to the next. Just my opinion. Not saying that DOYS is an amazing flowing album...but you can tell what they (Noel, if Jim can't insists we should all place blame on a member for Oasis' shortcomings in every post) were going for.
I think that bits of HFB have some pretty good flow. There does feel like there is a thematic connection within the album. Way more so than DBTT.
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2012 10:06:37 GMT -5
GD I have not ruined any thread, the only person to think that is you. It seems you are the only person on this board that is allowed an opinion, anyone else says something they are causing a fight.
I haven't made it about brother v brother.
This is an Oasis album that was being spoke about, you know the band Noel claimed to be in charge of all the big descisions like track listing, etc, so it is in my view perfectly fair to point out that it was his decisions which ruined DOYS standard. I get he songs written by the others weren't of his standard but he choose their poorer songs to satisfy his vision for the album and not use their better ones.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 29, 2012 10:13:30 GMT -5
GD I have not ruined any thread, the only person to think that is you. It seems you are the only person on this board that is allowed an opinion, anyone else says something they are causing a fight. I haven't made it about brother v brother. This is an Oasis album that was being spoke about, you know the band Noel claimed to be in charge of all the big descisions like track listing, etc, so it is in my view perfectly fair to point out that it was his decisions which ruined DOYS standard. I get he songs written by the others weren't of his standard but he choose their poorer songs to satisfy his vision for the album and not use their better ones. Go ahead. Have an opinion...cause you haven't posted one. Just decided to modify mine. There are several opinion on this thread that I don't agree with. There are no arguments. Not a particular fan of people "fixing" my opinion though If you don't like me ignore me. (edited by me because that was bitchy) |
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2012 10:17:09 GMT -5
Personal insults.... Nice. Keep your language to yourself.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 29, 2012 10:19:59 GMT -5
Personal insults.... Nice. Keep your language to yourself.  Sorry. I really would appreciate you not editing my posts. Thank you very much And for all your talk about "letting people have an opinion" you just changed mine then proceeded to criticize me for not leaving you to your opinion. Just seems hypocritical. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 10:22:53 GMT -5
You know a thread is going downhill when Jim finds it necessary to be very direct and blunt. Bloody hell people, chill out!
By-the-way, this message is not intended to be a slight to anyone in particular, just the collective "everyone."
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2012 10:27:20 GMT -5
GD you posted as fact not opinion. Your post makes out the band made Dig Out Your Soul as it turned out. They didn't. Noel did, he admits it, he choose the songs not the band.
Your right though it's not worth a fight. It's an Internet forum but keep your language to yourself.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 29, 2012 10:27:38 GMT -5
You know a thread is going downhill when Jim finds it necessary to be very direct and blunt. Bloody hell people, chill out! By-the-way, this message is not intended to be a slight to anyone in particular, just the collective "everyone." If it survived Truefaith I dare say it'll survive me a Jim having a disagreement about his editing my words. |
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Post by shaokahnage on Aug 29, 2012 10:27:44 GMT -5
Personal insults.... Nice. Keep your language to yourself. Gdforever is just one of those people who argues for the sake of it and has to be right all the time, possibly due to some pent up frustration that she should probably get checked by a professional. I wouldn't usually defend someone capable of defending themselves but Jim is the kindest and most generous users on here and the thought of another great poster leaves due to an absolute idiot annoys me a great deal. |
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