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Post by J.B on Jul 12, 2011 10:48:33 GMT -5
Fuck off gdforever; you're really getting on my tits now.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 12, 2011 11:01:42 GMT -5
Fuck off gdforever; you're really getting on my tits now.
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Post by bonkers on Jul 12, 2011 11:04:18 GMT -5
Fuck off gdforever; you're really getting on my tits now. i concur with the confused looking head
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 12, 2011 11:29:40 GMT -5
If the FB thing is real. Which I kind of doubt since I'm not sure Paul would take to Facebook to slag off Noel to all his friends and family. 1) Some of the that stuff that Liam refuted happened @ the beginning or before the tour. Especially the PG stuff. Never did Noel say the fight in Paris was re: the PG stuff. He said it was Liam being upset the he was being slated in the press about his missing V-fest. And I don't believe that Liam drinking and hollering at a football game had thing to do with developing inflammation of his vocal chords the next day. That is where a lot of the bad press came from. And Liam deserved it to an extent IMO. Talk about not taking responsibility. 2) As I have said before. Most of the shit they were arguing about was the same the same type of crap as always. The thing that made it different, and also worth pointing out what seemed to be a tipping point for Noel, was Liam attacking Noel with a guitar. Even if Liam is 100% accurate he is still guilty of the worst of it, to my mind, by his own admission which he can't even try denying. Noel was still justified in leaving. Honestly I don't think that I'll be taking the word of an edited screenshot of a Facebook page. But by all means don't question the source. it is real and he is friends with lou on facebook as well. Does Lou live in Milwaukee?
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Post by spaneli on Jul 12, 2011 12:01:53 GMT -5
The Noel apologists in here are horrific. Although their posts are quite funny I suppose. With Noel there is always an excuse, always a reason for everything with Liam they don't quite offer the same leniency. I know Liam said this so its Beady Eye related but i'd move it into the Noel section where his diciples can carry on breast feeding him. There's an equal amount of both both Liam and Noel apologists. And as an outsider looking in, I don't think you have the right to criticize anyone. I'm sure you would probably call GDForever a Noel apologist (I'd probably say the same thing), but you've done the same in your defense of Liam. I've read both your posts (yours and GDForever's) over the past few days, and they're not that different, except you two are arguing for different sides of course. They're pretty close to being the same. You'll probably deny, and state why you're different from GDForever, or any other Noel apologist. But in the end you're not that much different. Just trying to be fair. It's the way I see it, looking from the outside in. Don't care who you argue for, but there's no need to criticize when you're very close to doing the same thing.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 12, 2011 12:16:03 GMT -5
The Noel apologists in here are horrific. Although their posts are quite funny I suppose. With Noel there is always an excuse, always a reason for everything with Liam they don't quite offer the same leniency. I know Liam said this so its Beady Eye related but i'd move it into the Noel section where his diciples can carry on breast feeding him. There's an equal amount of both both Liam and Noel apologists. And as an outsider looking in, I don't think you have the right to criticize anyone. I'm sure you would probably call GDForever a Noel apologist (I'd probably say the same thing), but you've done the same in your defense of Liam. I've read both your posts (yours and GDForever's) over the past few days, and they're not that different, except you two are arguing for different sides of course. They're pretty close to being the same. You'll probably deny, and state why you're different from GDForever, or any other Noel apologist. But in the end you're not that much different. Just trying to be fair. It's the way I see it, looking from the outside in. Don't care who you argue for, but there's no need to criticize when you're very close to doing the same thing. But if you'd ever care to actually ask my opinion of Liam and of his actions in Oasis and since you would see that we are most definately not the same thing. As I have stated more than once, I don't believe either story completely and without hearing some more I believe i'd be foolish too. Its just pretty sad watching a selection of members gather at the shrine as soon as Noel open's his mouth. He must be believed! He must be telling the truth! He's as capable of bullshit as Liam tbh So yeah I did state why i'm different from her, and there is a difference. A big one being I haven't made over 500 posts in the last couple of day's rebutting people who would say a bad word about Noel.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 12, 2011 12:17:40 GMT -5
The Noel apologists in here are horrific. Although their posts are quite funny I suppose. With Noel there is always an excuse, always a reason for everything with Liam they don't quite offer the same leniency. I know Liam said this so its Beady Eye related but i'd move it into the Noel section where his diciples can carry on breast feeding him. There's an equal amount of both both Liam and Noel apologists. And as an outsider looking in, I don't think you have the right to criticize anyone. I'm sure you would probably call GDForever a Noel apologist (I'd probably say the same thing), but you've done the same in your defense of Liam. I've read both your posts (yours and GDForever's) over the past few days, and they're not that different, except you two are arguing for different sides of course. They're pretty close to being the same. You'll probably deny, and state why you're different from GDForever, or any other Noel apologist. But in the end you're not that much different. Just trying to be fair. It's the way I see it, looking from the outside in. Don't care who you argue for, but there's no need to criticize when you're very close to doing the same thing. 'There's an equal amount of both both Liam and Noel apologists. ' Really? You really think that? Its statistically unlikely for a start.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jul 12, 2011 12:29:09 GMT -5
There's an equal amount of both both Liam and Noel apologists. And as an outsider looking in, I don't think you have the right to criticize anyone. I'm sure you would probably call GDForever a Noel apologist (I'd probably say the same thing), but you've done the same in your defense of Liam. I've read both your posts (yours and GDForever's) over the past few days, and they're not that different, except you two are arguing for different sides of course. They're pretty close to being the same. You'll probably deny, and state why you're different from GDForever, or any other Noel apologist. But in the end you're not that much different. Just trying to be fair. It's the way I see it, looking from the outside in. Don't care who you argue for, but there's no need to criticize when you're very close to doing the same thing. 'There's an equal amount of both both Liam and Noel apologists. ' Really? You really think that? Its statistically unlikely for a start. Statistically unlikely? Would you mind showing us these statistics to back this statement up?
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Post by spaneli on Jul 12, 2011 12:29:57 GMT -5
There's an equal amount of both both Liam and Noel apologists. And as an outsider looking in, I don't think you have the right to criticize anyone. I'm sure you would probably call GDForever a Noel apologist (I'd probably say the same thing), but you've done the same in your defense of Liam. I've read both your posts (yours and GDForever's) over the past few days, and they're not that different, except you two are arguing for different sides of course. They're pretty close to being the same. You'll probably deny, and state why you're different from GDForever, or any other Noel apologist. But in the end you're not that much different. Just trying to be fair. It's the way I see it, looking from the outside in. Don't care who you argue for, but there's no need to criticize when you're very close to doing the same thing. But if you'd ever care to actually ask my opinion of Liam and of his actions in Oasis and since you would see that we are most definately not the same thing. As I have stated more than once, I don't believe either story completely and without hearing some more I believe i'd be foolish too. Its just pretty sad watching a selection of members gather at the shrine as soon as Noel open's his mouth. He must be believed! He must be telling the truth! He's as capable of bullshit as Liam tbh So yeah I did state why i'm different from her, and there is a difference. A big one being I haven't made over 500 posts in the last couple of day's rebutting people who would say a bad word about Noel. I think even the Noel apologist don't believe his story completely. Even GDForever has admitted that Noel is capable of lying and that he hasn't said the full story. You're explanation is the same that I would expect from her. You two really aren't that different. She's been more rabid about her opinion, but that's about it.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 12, 2011 12:33:27 GMT -5
There's an equal amount of both both Liam and Noel apologists. And as an outsider looking in, I don't think you have the right to criticize anyone. I'm sure you would probably call GDForever a Noel apologist (I'd probably say the same thing), but you've done the same in your defense of Liam. I've read both your posts (yours and GDForever's) over the past few days, and they're not that different, except you two are arguing for different sides of course. They're pretty close to being the same. You'll probably deny, and state why you're different from GDForever, or any other Noel apologist. But in the end you're not that much different. Just trying to be fair. It's the way I see it, looking from the outside in. Don't care who you argue for, but there's no need to criticize when you're very close to doing the same thing. 'There's an equal amount of both both Liam and Noel apologists. ' Really? You really think that? Its statistically unlikely for a start. Of course there's no statistical evidence. But to say that it's there's a much greater number of one side, than the other is untrue in my opinion.
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Post by shoes222 on Jul 12, 2011 12:34:41 GMT -5
The only reason why the so called apologists ARE apologists, is because we don't know the full extent of the story yet. We're trying to give BOTH brothers the benefit of the doubt until more concrete details come out.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 12, 2011 12:37:14 GMT -5
The only reason why the so called apologists ARE apologists, is because we don't know the full extent of the story yet. We're trying to give BOTH brothers the benefit of the doubt until more concrete details come out. that's a lame excuse.
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Post by shoes222 on Jul 12, 2011 12:39:46 GMT -5
The only reason why the so called apologists ARE apologists, is because we don't know the full extent of the story yet. We're trying to give BOTH brothers the benefit of the doubt until more concrete details come out. that's a lame excuse. How so? It's better to be sympathetic than quick to judge.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 12, 2011 12:46:27 GMT -5
that's a lame excuse. How so? It's better to be sympathetic than quick to judge. An apologist is a person who will keep making excuses for someone no matter what. Whether they hear the whole story or not, they'll keep defending that person. That's why the word apologist has a negative connotation. You're explanation is contradictory to what an apologist is. An apologist wouldn't care if there was a full explanation or story. They would still defend. So you calling yourself an apologist, then saying you need the full story is contradictory.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Jul 12, 2011 12:47:54 GMT -5
i honestly don't care about this.
one of them needs to make a great record because it has been a while.
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Post by bonkers on Jul 12, 2011 12:49:42 GMT -5
i honestly don't care about this. one of them needs to make a great record because it has been a while. i agree, i dont care about the split or why it happened, i want music
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Post by shoes222 on Jul 12, 2011 12:51:14 GMT -5
Then obviously I'm not an apologist in the strict sense of the word. In my opinion the only reason why anyone defends either of the brothers is because we still don't really know what happened or why.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 12, 2011 13:11:03 GMT -5
'There's an equal amount of both both Liam and Noel apologists. ' Really? You really think that? Its statistically unlikely for a start. Statistically unlikely? Would you mind showing us these statistics to back this statement up? How likely do you think it is that on a board of 26,000+ members that there is a equal amount of both Noel and Liam apologists? Divided straight down the middle? Err yeah not very likely. Not having a pop at you by the way spaneli, i know after you next post you were just being approximate. But the irish geordie has obviously entered that time of the month.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 12, 2011 13:19:17 GMT -5
God what a boring thread.
That's it. The board has hit a wall with this. Now people aren't even talking about it. They are talking about people talking about it.
It's been almost a week since the PC. Fingers crossed for music within the week.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 12, 2011 13:20:28 GMT -5
But if you'd ever care to actually ask my opinion of Liam and of his actions in Oasis and since you would see that we are most definately not the same thing. As I have stated more than once, I don't believe either story completely and without hearing some more I believe i'd be foolish too. Its just pretty sad watching a selection of members gather at the shrine as soon as Noel open's his mouth. He must be believed! He must be telling the truth! He's as capable of bullshit as Liam tbh So yeah I did state why i'm different from her, and there is a difference. A big one being I haven't made over 500 posts in the last couple of day's rebutting people who would say a bad word about Noel. I think even the Noel apologist don't believe his story completely. Even GDForever has admitted that Noel is capable of lying and that he hasn't said the full story. You're explanation is the same that I would expect from her. You two really aren't that different. She's been more rabid about her opinion, but that's about it. Well you say rabid and i'd just say thats a example of just how far she is positioned on the Noel side and shows just what an apologist she is. That desparation to defend him is a lot of the reason I challenge her rather than me wanting to show a robust defence of Liam. I like Noel, one of my favourite songwriters ever tbh. People just don't notice it because I feel no need to contribute to the hero worship and i'm willing to say if I believe he's fucked up. I can well imagine why you see me that way though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2011 13:30:48 GMT -5
fact of the matter is nobody on this forum knows what happened so theres no point in arguing really. Until Andy Bell uploads video footage on Youtube we will never know....
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Jul 12, 2011 13:41:49 GMT -5
all you'd see would be his shoes.
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Post by wonderplan on Jul 12, 2011 13:46:45 GMT -5
all you'd see would be his shoes. i wonder if he was wearing a pair of pretty green desert boots? ;D
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Post by shaokahnage on Jul 12, 2011 13:47:31 GMT -5
hey everyone.......shut up for a sec, take a deep breath, calm the fuck down and realise that this is only an internet forum
and if that fails a quick wank should do the trick
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Post by wonderplan on Jul 12, 2011 13:51:27 GMT -5
hey everyone.......shut up for a sec, take a deep breath, calm the fuck down and realise that this is only an internet forum and if that fails a quick wank should do the trick post'em if ya got'em
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