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Post by mezmerised on Jul 11, 2011 19:40:07 GMT -5
So now we have Liam, Andy, Gem and Paul all calling Noel's recollection of the events incorrect? But people continue to believe that Liam is lying? Does Peggy Gallagher have to come on this board and say otherwise? Geez. Maybe it would help if someone came forward who wasn't dependant on Liam to earn their money. And maybe it would help if they said what really happened instead of saying "Liam is right, Noel is a liar, but let's not discuss this anymore and move on instead". I'm not on either 'Team Noel' or 'Team Liam' because I think that's ridiculous but now I'm starting to believe that Noel did exactly the right thing by leaving the band. If he feels he has little to no support from anyone in the Oasis camp and if there's apparently some general opinion that he is a fake/liar/media darling/whatever, then why should he bother sticking around making everyone else more money? Especially when he knows he can just as well be a solo artist without all the fights and insults. In the press conference Noel gave HIS OPINION on what happened that night in Paris. He was asked a question and he answered as he always does. I think in between the lines he admitted what he did wrong. And I think Noel genuinely believes Liam's drinking was a problem and that maybe they could have done V if Liam had stayed in the day before. Also a hangover and laryngitis aren't mutually exclusive. I have no idea whether the fight about the PG ad took place (actually the end of a tour would be an odd time to argue about ads in tour porgrams) but it's also hard to believe that Noel would make this whole thing up. Especially because he knows the others would call him out on such an obvious lie. Why is Noel the "media darling" when both his and Liam's side of the story gets reported and discussed? But I agree about one thing: IF Paul Gallagher was in the room during the fight then I have no idea why he didn't step in to stop them.
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Post by agnhi on Jul 11, 2011 19:47:48 GMT -5
Maybe it would help if someone came forward who wasn't dependant on Liam to earn their money. Saying this in the case that FB post is legit, Paul's not that dependant. Correct me if I'm wrong but all he's done has been to DJ to a couple of events, or is he involved properly in PG? Plus it's a private FB, it's not like he'd gone to tell it to the media. Why is Noel the "media darling" when both his and Liam's side of the story gets reported and discussed? It's not just this one occassion, it's always been like that. Liam's the bad boy, Noel's the funny+witty one, and often media plays according to Noel's rules. In this case, Liam got ridiculed in plenty of media after the conference("Oasis ended because Liam tried to take my head off with a plum" went one headline etc)
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Post by kimallenbewick on Jul 11, 2011 20:09:12 GMT -5
I understand most of you think Liam's telling the truth cause it's something you perceive and sometimes you can't explain why you do believe something or not. But please stop with all those stupid excuses like saying Liam's telling the truth cause he admitted he's half responsible.... I mean, is that necessary? We all know he's half responsible, the fight was Liam-Noel not Noel-spirit so Liam admitting he's half responsible is not a big thing actually. Now some of you will say at least Liam's done it while Noel hasn't... well Noel's just done one interview and Liam's done lots and he hasn't said the same in all them so I think Noel'd admit that too if someone asks. To me Liam's still saying anything and pretty everything he says is nonsense and not relevant so Noel's version is easier to believe. The only thing that has made me change my mind a little bit is what Paul said but then if he was there it comes to my mind why he didn't do anything? I mean...... is all the world mad or what? Is it me the only one who thinks it's very weird anyone attempted to stop the fight?..
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Post by agnhi on Jul 11, 2011 20:14:35 GMT -5
Dunno is it my English skills failing me but doesn't "I was on that final leg" mean just leg of the tour? He's not exactly saying he was there right in the very room right?
I've said it in another thread I think it was but plenty of people who've been working closely/in close relationships with Noel+Liam have been saying when the fight starts there's no room for anyone to step in. All they see is each other. We don't know what exactly happened in the room and how fast but maybe it just didn't seem like anything too unusual until things happened in very quick succession. *Shrug*
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 11, 2011 20:15:27 GMT -5
Andy, Gem and Paul stand by Liam's account of how the tour was running and what went down in Paris. Given this, wouldn't it make sense to believe Liam? When the majority of people that were present say one thing and Noel says another, wouldn't you have to believe what the majority of people are saying? Have Gem or Andy ever struck you as being anything other than levelheaded individuals?
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 11, 2011 20:18:04 GMT -5
ZANI – We were one of the first sites to break the news, Alan McGee called me at midnight to give an official statement, and I was crashed out on my bed after a few Peroni’s. Paul Gallagher – Yeah, I read it. There was something going down, because I don’t usually go on tour as such with Oasis. But for the last week of that tour, I was with them. I joined them at Bridlington Spa in Yorkshire, and then I went to Birmingham with them, then a day off. The others went to the cinema, Liam and I went to the pub, went to City v Wolves game at home. The V festival in Staffordshire, then the Chelmsford leg was pulled, and then I met up again with Oasis for the Paris gig. But it did feel a bit strange. Liam turned up, him and Noel started having World War four, everyone seemed confused. ZANI – Yeah, Madness had to do two sets to cover for them, Paul Gallagher – I know, I was there, and it gave me the chance to give Suggs a big slap on the head when he was being interviewed. ZANI – Why? Paul Gallagher – ‘Cos he stitched me up many moons ago, but it was strange for Oasis to spilt up in Paris. ZANI – Well it’s where Jim Morrison died and was buried. Paul Gallagher – They should have held on a little while longer, because the tour ended in Milan, and Milan would have been perfect, because that is the biggest Oasis stronghold in Italy. But it wasn’t to be. A few music journalists were saying to me at the after show party “This is a fucking disgrace” and I said “Shut up, *****, you didn’t pay to get in”. Even though the rest of Oasis had spilt, I played right to the end of the aftershow party, but the promoters held onto my payment up until to the very end, because they thought I would do a runner. Fuck off I am a professional Read more: www.live4ever.uk.com/2010/04/interview-paul-gallagher/#ixzz1RqjWmRCR
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Post by shoes222 on Jul 11, 2011 20:19:19 GMT -5
Gem and Andy are in a band with Liam!! The last thing they'd want to do is provide a contrary version of events.
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 11, 2011 20:21:27 GMT -5
That's my point. If Liam is the violently raving psychotic that Noel claims him to be, why on earth would they immediately agree to stay in a band with him and not even wait to speak to Noel? Wouldn't they say "Let's have a few days, let Noel cool off and try to reconvene in a month or two"?
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Post by mezmerised on Jul 11, 2011 20:25:40 GMT -5
Maybe it would help if someone came forward who wasn't dependant on Liam to earn their money. Saying this in the case that FB post is legit, Paul's not that dependant. Correct me if I'm wrong but all he's done has been to DJ to a couple of events, or is he involved properly in PG? Plus it's a private FB, it's not like he'd gone to tell it to the media. Why is Noel the "media darling" when both his and Liam's side of the story gets reported and discussed? It's not just this one occassion, it's always been like that. Liam's the bad boy, Noel's the funny+witty one, and often media plays according to Noel's rules. In this case, Liam got ridiculed in plenty of media after the conference("Oasis ended because Liam tried to take my head off with a plum" went one headline etc) When Liam announced his Beatles project I've read somewhere that Paul would be working for his film company. But I'm not sure if he's still working there (or if the project is still on) so if not, then my apologies to Paul G ;D And sure he can say what he wants on his private fb but if he really doesn't want this topic to be discussed anymore he should think twice about posting these things because, as we can see, it's super easy to make his private statements public. I know what you mean but the media perception of Noel and Liam is not Noel's fault. Like Rifles said already, Noel is articulate and funny and a good storyteller. And journalists like that. It must be a breath of fresh air for them to interview someone opinionated like Noel after all these media-trained popstars who have nothing to say anyway. They also know him better than Liam because for years he did all the Oasis PR practically alone. The Gordon Smart thing is a different matter but it's a bit crazy to believe Noel decided to befriend him so he could manipulate the British media. I don't believe in general that Noel is so calculating and manipulative about his public perception. He just tells it as he sees it and tries to paint himself in the best possible light at the same time. ;D Plus there are also quite a few journalists who are prejudiced against him so this media darling thing doesn't really make sense to me.
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Post by shoes222 on Jul 11, 2011 20:26:51 GMT -5
It's been said that when that fight happened, everyone there knew that Oasis was over for good and there was no going back. So there was little chance of reconvening anyway.
And Gem and Andy had no problem staying with Liam because by all accounts the only person Liam ever treated badly was Noel. Liam was always pretty friendly to everyone else, by most accounts.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 11, 2011 20:28:10 GMT -5
If the FB thing is real. Which I kind of doubt since I'm not sure Paul would take to Facebook to slag off Noel to all his friends and family.
1) Some of the that stuff that Liam refuted happened @ the beginning or before the tour. Especially the PG stuff. Never did Noel say the fight in Paris was re: the PG stuff. He said it was Liam being upset the he was being slated in the press about his missing V-fest. And I don't believe that Liam drinking and hollering at a football game had thing to do with developing inflammation of his vocal chords the next day. That is where a lot of the bad press came from. And Liam deserved it to an extent IMO. Talk about not taking responsibility.
2) As I have said before. Most of the shit they were arguing about was the same the same type of crap as always. The thing that made it different, and also worth pointing out what seemed to be a tipping point for Noel, was Liam attacking Noel with a guitar. Even if Liam is 100% accurate he is still guilty of the worst of it, to my mind, by his own admission which he can't even try denying. Noel was still justified in leaving.
Honestly I don't think that I'll be taking the word of an edited screenshot of a Facebook page. But by all means don't question the source.
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Post by kimallenbewick on Jul 11, 2011 20:40:46 GMT -5
I don't know if this is the right thread to post this but it's quite weird to me to read what the supposed Paul Gallagher said. Not because I am sure Liam is lying or something, but because long time ago I had the feeling Paul was more in Noel's camp than in Liam's. It's not like if he needs to take sides but I thought he gets on better with Noel. Anyway that feeling is turning into the opposite now.. I thought that because in some interview (don't remember) Noel said Liam and him were still in Oasis because of the kids and if someday it ended Liam could have their mum cause he already had Paul...
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Jul 11, 2011 20:48:31 GMT -5
If the FB thing is real. Which I kind of doubt since I'm not sure Paul would take to Facebook to slag off Noel to all his friends and family. 1) Some of the that stuff that Liam refuted happened @ the beginning or before the tour. Especially the PG stuff. Never did Noel say the fight in Paris was re: the PG stuff. He said it was Liam being upset the he was being slated in the press about his missing V-fest. And I don't believe that Liam drinking and hollering at a football game had thing to do with developing inflammation of his vocal chords the next day. That is where a lot of the bad press came from. And Liam deserved it to an extent IMO. Talk about not taking responsibility. 2) As I have said before. Most of the shit they were arguing about was the same the same type of crap as always. The thing that made it different, and also worth pointing out what seemed to be a tipping point for Noel, was Liam attacking Noel with a guitar. Even if Liam is 100% accurate he is still guilty of the worst of it, to my mind, by his own admission which he can't even try denying. Noel was still justified in leaving. Honestly I don't think that I'll be taking the word of an edited screenshot of a Facebook page. But by all means don't question the source. it is real and he is friends with lou on facebook as well.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 11, 2011 21:03:22 GMT -5
That's my point. If Liam is the violently raving psychotic that Noel claims him to be, why on earth would they immediately agree to stay in a band with him and not even wait to speak to Noel? Wouldn't they say "Let's have a few days, let Noel cool off and try to reconvene in a month or two"? I shouldn't be commenting, because I said I wouldn't anymore. But tbf, have Liam or Noel ever been violence toward anyone else in the band, but each other? Neither have been violent toward Gem, Andy, Bonehead, Guigs, Tony, or Alan White. Just a point I wanted to bring up. I'm pretty sure, "but such and such" post will be probably be the response to this, but hey. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that both "sides" are stuck on one side and won't budge. Which is just stupid to me. None of you are going to change each other minds, yet you keep going. This is an issue that will probably never be resolved, nor solved. Can't believe I'm the voice of reason, when it comes to arguing something to no end.
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 11, 2011 21:05:46 GMT -5
No one is questioning whether or not Noel had a right to leave. People are however questioning Noel's version of the events leading up to his decision since it seems that in doing so he is trying to take down others in the process.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 11, 2011 21:10:34 GMT -5
No one is questioning whether or not Noel had a right to leave. People are however questioning Noel's version of the events leading up to his decision since it seems that in doing so he is trying to take down others in the process. Which is what I'm talking about. No one will ever get the answer that will truly satisfy their suspicions or questions, so why argue about it. As a matter of fact, why am I arguing about arguing? Yeah, I'm going to try to stay away from these dead end threads. They lead to nowhere, but headaches.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 11, 2011 21:11:34 GMT -5
The more everyone talks the more I am sure Oasis should have ended.
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Post by shoes222 on Jul 11, 2011 21:14:52 GMT -5
Noel wasn't really friends with Andy beforehand anyway.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Jul 11, 2011 22:38:07 GMT -5
not true at all.
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Post by okwhatever on Jul 12, 2011 1:01:29 GMT -5
A big part of my appreciation of Oasis has always been the Gallagher bros personalities/attitudes. That said, all this intra-bro commentary/break-up stuff is just kind of pathetic (middle age men carrying on like children, etc). I generally try to avoid reading it, because, what's the point? The music remains the same.
But, I read this, and got to say that family relations are almost always complicated, especially if there are or were ever addictions involved. We don't know them, there will always be more to the story than is evident from the press.
That said, Noel's got a track record of assigning blame to others when things go wrong, and taking the credit when things go well (an ugly trait), and Liam's got a histroy of seemingly being emotionally inhinged and a bit of a drunk. I suspect Noel is mis-remebering events, possibly to gain sympathy, possibly because he was upset and felt like a victim. The reactions and subsequent actions of everybody else involved makes me think Noel has blown things out of proportion, but to be fair, in his mind, it may have seemed like a big deal at the time.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 12, 2011 2:21:40 GMT -5
The Noel apologists in here are horrific. Although their posts are quite funny I suppose. With Noel there is always an excuse, always a reason for everything with Liam they don't quite offer the same leniency.
I know Liam said this so its Beady Eye related but i'd move it into the Noel section where his diciples can carry on breast feeding him.
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Post by Heebeejeebies on Jul 12, 2011 3:05:15 GMT -5
I tend to agree with you, tomlivesforever. Where are all the Liam-bashers now, when Noel's the one who could use a little criticism? Not that anyone should be bashing either of them, of course. Here's the audio, in case anyone doesn't feel like downloading it:
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Post by rupertg on Jul 12, 2011 5:18:53 GMT -5
"Fashion is for women... and gay men."
"It's like the f**king Sugababes now. They'll be kicking Andy Bell out next and replacing him with a leggy blonde"
Noel supposed "quotes" from News of the World (Feb 2010) i know i know it's a tabloid newspaper but after the press conference it seems like it very well could've been true.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2011 6:39:31 GMT -5
quoting the NOTW is very topical - maybe they were from his phone messages
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Post by frjdoasis on Jul 12, 2011 6:43:49 GMT -5
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