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Post by mrsupernova on Jul 11, 2011 13:58:25 GMT -5
If this argument were 5-10 years ago I would believe Noel without a blink of an eye about everything but I think Liam has been really genuine about the whole thing. His admitting that the break up was partially his fault is more than Noel was able to say during his press conference and Liam hasn't passed on any blame to other band members. There is a reason Chris, Gem and Andy went with Liam, and its saying a lot that Gem did because he is close with Noel and still is. The fact that Liam and the other band member's haven't said much leads me to believe there are events that are too personal or involve someone therefore they don't want to get into it or they have really moved on from anything and are looking forward. Every interview Liam has done since the break up he has yet to go into details and has been vague whereas the first one Noel does, he puts it all out there. It was almost two years ago, I could really care less about what it was about now. The fact is it happened, we all new it would happen someday. You can either fall further into the soap opera or enjoy some music.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 11, 2011 14:07:30 GMT -5
If this argument were 5-10 years ago I would believe Noel without a blink of an eye about everything but I think Liam has been really genuine about the whole thing. His admitting that the break up was partially his fault is more than Noel was able to say during his press conference and Liam hasn't passed on any blame to other band members. There is a reason Chris, Gem and Andy went with Liam, and its saying a lot that Gem did because he is close with Noel and still is. The fact that Liam and the other band member's haven't said much leads me to believe there are events that are too personal or involve someone therefore they don't want to get into it or they have really moved on from anything and are looking forward. Every interview Liam has done since the break up he has yet to go into details and has been vague whereas the first one Noel does, he puts it all out there. It was almost two years ago, I could really care less about what it was about now. The fact is it happened, we all new it would happen someday. You can either fall further into the soap opera or enjoy some music. The other band members went with Liam because: 1. Noel still had intentions on working on a solo album 2. Noel walked out of the band, no one else did. Oasis (without Noel) still remained......The argument was between Noel and Liam, no one else in the band. Noel would have liked more support from other members, though, during or atleast in the aftermath of the fight with Liam. So essentially, no one went with Liam. The band were left in limbo after Noel walked. The band, as a collective entity, agreed to continue making music under a different moniker. It's not like Liam also quit as the singer, and the others followed him. No. LAG was left by Noel, so the only person who could have been followed was Noel in the first place.....
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Post by liamg4e on Jul 11, 2011 14:15:05 GMT -5
He's just been on, sounded totally genuine and actually upset at the allegedly false claims about him. He came straight out with it, was not a case of the interviewer bringing it up and him blustering through a denial. He wanted to set the record straight.
He also sounded humble in his acceptance of blame, again this was not a blustery 'stop talking about me, talk about Noel' response, just asking for people to understand both were at fault.
Playing The Roller now, then more from Liam.
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Post by liamg4e on Jul 11, 2011 14:21:34 GMT -5
On DGSS not taking off as much as he'd hoped and the new album:
'I know we've got to roll our sleeves up and graft a bit, but we're ready to do that'
Interviewer said what great company he was and how he's not the 'gobby person who split up oasis' that the press try to portray. Nice to hear him getting some positive press for once.
Playing Millionaire now.
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Post by agnhi on Jul 11, 2011 14:22:44 GMT -5
"like a brother"
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Post by wonderplan on Jul 11, 2011 14:24:04 GMT -5
If this argument were 5-10 years ago I would believe Noel without a blink of an eye about everything but I think Liam has been really genuine about the whole thing. His admitting that the break up was partially his fault is more than Noel was able to say during his press conference and Liam hasn't passed on any blame to other band members. There is a reason Chris, Gem and Andy went with Liam, and its saying a lot that Gem did because he is close with Noel and still is. The fact that Liam and the other band member's haven't said much leads me to believe there are events that are too personal or involve someone therefore they don't want to get into it or they have really moved on from anything and are looking forward. Every interview Liam has done since the break up he has yet to go into details and has been vague whereas the first one Noel does, he puts it all out there. It was almost two years ago, I could really care less about what it was about now. The fact is it happened, we all new it would happen someday. You can either fall further into the soap opera or enjoy some music. The other band members went with Liam because: 1. Noel still had intentions on working on a solo album 2. Noel walked out of the band, no one else did. Oasis (without Noel) still remained......The argument was between Noel and Liam, no one else in the band. Noel would have liked more support from other members, though, during or atleast in the aftermath of the fight with Liam. So essentially, no one went with Liam. The band were left in limbo after Noel walked. The band, as a collective entity, agreed to continue making music under a different moniker. It's not like Liam also quit as the singer, and the others followed him. No. LAG was left by Noel, so the only person who could have been followed was Noel in the first place..... the thing is Noel left the group at least twice before in the past of which i'm willing to bet the fights were much worse considering they were much younger (wibbling rivalry is a good example of out out of control liam was back in the day), this fight was the perfect excuse for Noel to pursue that solo career that he had been mentioning since the sotsog era.
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Post by bwilder on Jul 11, 2011 14:55:37 GMT -5
Noel said he regretted not sticking it out which is as close as he'll come to accepting some blame for the break up. I think Liam is highly emotional and sometimes, the way he remembers things "in his own head" as Noel would say, is skewed by his emotional state. Not to get psycho-analytical...I believe he believes in what he's saying.
I know many years have gone by since Liam was consistently in the headlines for bad behavior but looking at the evidence of the past, it's hard for me not to believe Noel on the events in Paris and the months leading up to it.
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Post by Elias on Jul 11, 2011 15:07:58 GMT -5
Noel's an absolute hero of mine, ultimately I think the split was for the best and actually a couple of years overdue and the press conference was his first chance to comment on Paris, so to be fair he was always going to tell the story purely from his point of view. Having said all that however, Noel would do very well to accept he is no angel when he is questioned further on this in the future. On the whole, I think Liam has been very honest about the split, and despite the stupid tweet and twatty gig comments, this interview especially is quite striking. It's good to see Liam being grown up enough to accept that no one party was solely behind Oasis' end - I think Noel should think seriously about following suit.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 11, 2011 15:29:23 GMT -5
Noel hasn't had a proper conversation about it.
The fact is that Liam has talked about it in depth dozens of times. When Noel is at the same point in his promo we'll see how fair he is being. He may get less reasonable. He may shift more blame. I doubt it though.
In Liam's first interview post split He wasn't particularly willing to accept tons of blame to my memory.
With 6 months of talking about an event everyone becomes more well-considered.
And Noel has yet to say "The split wasn't my fault", point blank. Liam on the other hand definitely has.
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Post by alwaysnow on Jul 11, 2011 15:52:11 GMT -5
Noel's an absolute hero of mine, ultimately I think the split was for the best and actually a couple of years overdue and the press conference was his first chance to comment on Paris, so to be fair he was always going to tell the story purely from his point of view. Having said all that however, Noel would do very well to accept he is no angel when he is questioned further on this in the future. On the whole, I think Liam has been very honest about the split, and despite the stupid tweet and twatty gig comments, this interview especially is quite striking. It's good to see Liam being grown up enough to accept that no one party was solely behind Oasis' end - I think Noel should think seriously about following suit. Nice one.
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Post by ruchin on Jul 11, 2011 16:00:04 GMT -5
Liam has always cited "personal reasons" for why the final argument happened, the PG/hangover details don't seem very personal.
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Post by akabrokenarrow on Jul 11, 2011 16:24:08 GMT -5
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Post by alwaysnow on Jul 11, 2011 16:57:17 GMT -5
^ Ha! Thanks for the insider info. Interesting, to say the least.
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Post by thuperthonic on Jul 11, 2011 17:41:49 GMT -5
Dang mang.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Jul 11, 2011 18:12:29 GMT -5
How are you Mrs. Archer? Tell Gem I really dig Three Ring Circus.
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 11, 2011 18:13:35 GMT -5
So now we have Liam, Andy, Gem and Paul all calling Noel's recollection of the events incorrect? But people continue to believe that Liam is lying? Does Peggy Gallagher have to come on this board and say otherwise? Geez.
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 11, 2011 18:21:13 GMT -5
It's also worth noting that Paul was at the gig in Paris. If he didn't step in, I don't know how Noel can blame Andy.
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Post by J.B on Jul 11, 2011 18:23:19 GMT -5
Tells you all you need to know really. I love Noel and I love Liam but Noel is losing my respect here with the little role of media darling that he has got going on. He has got media like Gordon fucking Smart in his pocket and uses it to manipulate situations like this and come out smelling of roses. It's really sneaky and its pissing me off. There's a reason why everyone has been going on about Beady Eye being shit and Noel's album being the real one to look out for.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 11, 2011 18:49:27 GMT -5
Agree with all of that except the last bit, people have been saying Noel's is the one to look out for because he was the chief songwriter in Oasis and a bloody good one at that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 18:51:05 GMT -5
I know it's not really possible but I'd love to see Noel and Liam in room together so they could talk about it in the same vicinity as each other, I think both of them would say things closer to the truth. Also on what Noel said in the press conference about Liam thinking he controlled the media in Britain, if this it's true that Noel has been lying then it seems pretty close to the truth, the media eat up his every word and you've got to grudgingly admire him for taking advantage of that.
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Post by thuperthonic on Jul 11, 2011 18:52:31 GMT -5
There's a reason why everyone has been going on about Beady Eye being shit and Noel's album being the real one to look out for. I'm not a member of the media, I have that opinion, and I'm not alone.
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Post by agnhi on Jul 11, 2011 19:13:12 GMT -5
Also on what Noel said in the press conference about Liam thinking he controlled the media in Britain It's one of the things of which I directly went like "liar", when watching it. Because he is controlling them. He knows how to play them. Maybe he's not always doing it 100% consciously but they love him, and Liam is the bad boy, and Noel knows how to play the game. I still meet Oasis fans who voice their dislike for Liam and one of their arguments is that "Liam never even saw Noel's son!" which Noel claimed in Q spring 2009. Everyone believed it. Only in small video interview before Heaton Park Noel admitted it "came out a bit wrong in the wash". He never took a proper attempt to correct the false picture that had been created. Or the eternal example of making solo album threats through the press. There was lots of bad press about Liam, greatly created by Noel, in 2009, I'm not surprised at all Liam was very upset about it. I find it hard to believe Noel's not aware of the power he has had over the press.
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Post by deadman on Jul 11, 2011 19:13:37 GMT -5
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Post by songbird11 on Jul 11, 2011 19:22:56 GMT -5
It's hard to tell .. i think it's possibly sumat to do with either nicole or russell brand which is why we wont find out the real truth.
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Post by Rifles on Jul 11, 2011 19:35:46 GMT -5
Yeah its not that Noel's controlling the media, he's just much more articulate and willing to give details than Liam is. Liam normally gives short answers and avoids touchy subjects so he naturally appears as tho he is hiding things. Noel is much more open when asked questions and he's very well spoken so people tend to believe him when he tells a story.
Until you hear both sides of a story you should never assume one side is 100% correct. Anyone who's ever dealt with any kind of conflict should know that.
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