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Post by deadman on Jul 11, 2011 10:48:43 GMT -5
www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/14108762Liam Gallagher says Noel 'lied' over Oasis splitLiam Gallagher has branded his brother Noel "a liar" over his account of how Oasis split up in 2009."In my opinion - he's a control freak. He's making up lies to get brownie points," he said. Speaking to Radio 1's Edith Bowman he disputed Noel's version of why the band cancelled a gig at V Festival and claims about his clothing line. Noel had said Liam wanted to advertise his clothes in Oasis' tour programme. Oasis dispute Noel, who spoke for the first time about why he quit Oasis last week at the launch of his debut solo album, said that the band's performance at V Festival in August 2009 was pulled because Liam was "hung-over". An official announcement at the time said the gig was cancelled because Liam was suffering with laryngitis. Noel left the following week before a scheduled show in Paris. "I got diagnosed with laryngitis for the V festival - I wasn't hung-over," Liam said. "I do gigs when I've been hung-over. I'm a big boy. I'm not going to cancel a gig because I've got a headache." Noel also claimed that the beginning of the end for the Manchester group was an argument about Liam wanting to promote his clothing line in Oasis' tour programme. "Second lie," said Liam. "I have never ever had a conversation with him about Pretty Green or anything. "Them words Pretty Green have never come out of my mouth with Noel Gallagher. Ever. "Him saying it's the demise of Oasis - I'm not having it." 'Part' blame Liam went on to admit he was partly to blame for the band's split. "It's time he [Noel] woke up. He's no angel," said Liam. "I'm partly to blame but I'm not solely to blame. It's breaking my heart. People need to know that it wasn't just me who split the band up, it was Noel too." Liam claims Noel was "being rude to people who'd been working for us for 18 years". "I bring it up to him, tell him to wind his neck in and he didn't like being told," he added. During the interview Liam also admitted his new band Beady Eye haven't been as successful as he'd anticipated. "It's not taken off as much I thought it would do but that's the way it is," he said. "You can't force people to like you. Come album two people will be ready to get on with it. I'm not going to stop because it's not taken off as much as I wanted it to." He also said he'd consider playing Oasis songs in the future. Beady Eye currently don't play any of their songs in their set. "No that's the decision we've made. There's no backing down. We made a decision that it wasn't right," he said. "Maybe down the line we could do it. Certainly won't be doing it tonight or next week or in the next year. A couple of albums down I like to think we could bang out our songs. Not now man, they're not our songs they're Noel's." You can hear Liam's interview from 7pm on BBC Radio 1 tonight (11 July) with Edith Bowman and Huw Stephens.
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Post by songbirdsally on Jul 11, 2011 11:07:49 GMT -5
I'm not at home tonight, could someone please record this?
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Post by bonkers on Jul 11, 2011 11:18:48 GMT -5
there both liars but i dont care anymore, Oasis is no more so the book is closed
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Post by spaneli on Jul 11, 2011 11:19:58 GMT -5
Pretty much expected this. Both brothers aren't willing to admit that they were wrong. Liam tries to do it here, but he has never said what his role was in the breakup. He's just said that he deserves some of the blame. Noel is the same way. He's only said that he should have stayed and done the gigs, but he's he's never said why the breakup (meaning also things that happened before the fight too) is his fault too. They both have passed the ball to each other, without saying what they themselves did in the time leading up to the breakup. Liam will pull out the small bullshit that Noel did, and Noel will pull out all the small bullshit that Liam did. Like "you you treated our road manager like shit." or "you wouldn't meet with fans", or something to that extent. It's childish, and it's stupid. And I'm sure that people on this forum will probably argue this (throughout threads) for the next few days. But in the end, what it all will really come down to is who you believe more, and no one will budge in their opinions. I do believe that Liam and Noel did talk about the Pretty Green in the adverts. Liam talked Pretty Green in almost every Oasis related interview, the band was wearing PG, everyone was in it except for Noel. I find it very hard to believe that Liam or someone attached to Liam, did not come to Noel to discuss the PG thing. If Noel is as much as a control freak that Liam says, then surely they or some people attached to them would have talked about it. So I'm buying Noel on the PG adverts. I'm not buying Noel on the hangover. There may have been, but I'll take Liam at his word. He has had hangovers before, and has been able to still perform at gigs. I don't think that a hangover would have kept him from performing. Last I'm speaking on it. (though that was a lot that I just wrote )
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Post by Iliad ♣ on Jul 11, 2011 11:25:19 GMT -5
Wow I expected him to dance around the subject, but he's calling Noel a liar, not even partially admitting Noel's statements. This means that one of them is 100% lying about the laryngitis, Pretty Green and the split up.
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Post by wonderplan on Jul 11, 2011 11:27:33 GMT -5
I agree they're both lieing, I'd love to hear Andy or Gem's truthful take on it. I'm sure one day the truth will come out
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Post by mayugem on Jul 11, 2011 11:32:32 GMT -5
Liam doesn't deny that he was going to hit Noel with a guitar
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Post by daii on Jul 11, 2011 11:37:08 GMT -5
Pretty much expected this. Both brothers aren't willing to admit that they were wrong. Liam tries to do it here, but he has never said what his role was in the breakup. He's just said that he deserves some of the blame. Noel is the same way. He's only said that he should have stayed and done the gigs, but he's he's never said why the breakup (meaning also things that happened before the fight too) is his fault too. They both have passed the ball to each other, without saying what they themselves did in the time leading up to the breakup. Liam will pull out the small bullshit that Noel did, and Noel will pull out all the small bullshit that Liam did. Like "you you treated our road manager like shit." or "you wouldn't meet with fans", or something to that extent. It's childish, and it's stupid. And I'm sure that people on this forum will probably argue this for the next few days. But in the end all it will really come down to is who you believe more, and no one will budge in their opinions. I do believe that Liam and Noel did talk about the Pretty Green in the adverts. Liam talked Pretty Green in almost every Oasis related interview, the band was wearing PG, everyone was in it except for Noel. I find it very hard to believe that Liam or someone attached to Liam, did not come to Noel to discuss the PG thing. If Noel is as much as a control freak that Liam says, then surely they or some people attached to them would have talked about it. So I'm buying Noel on the PG adverts. I'm not buying Noel on the hangover. There may have been, but I'll take Liam at his word. He has had hangovers before, and has been able to still perform at gigs. I don't think that a hangover would have kept him from performing. Last I'm speaking on it. (though that was a lot that I just wrote ) totally agree on everything
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Post by songbirdsally on Jul 11, 2011 11:44:19 GMT -5
Liam doesn't deny that he was going to hit Noel with a guitar ofcourse not, he did even say he did this in an interview in italy ;D They asked 'Is it true that you hit Noel on the back with his guitar' and he answered something like 'No I didn't hit him, I missed, but I shoud've hit him' After explaning that Noel destroyed Liams guitar first. And then he said 'I shouldn't have done it, cause the one Noel destroyed was mine, my personal guitar that I got from Nicole, and the one I destroyed was an Oasis guitar, so I payed half of it.
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Post by hanofjoh99 on Jul 11, 2011 11:45:08 GMT -5
There will be a tell all book at some point down the line, and then we will all know the truth. I bet you guys that both brothers will be writing books.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 11, 2011 11:51:48 GMT -5
There will be a tell all book at some point down the line, and then we will all know the truth. I bet you guys that both brothers will be writing books. How is a tell all book going to help? You still have both opposing view points. It's still a matter of who you want to believe. Some people say that they want to hear Andy and Gem's version too. I don't really need to, nor want to. Both have ties to both brothers. As long as both are in BDI they'll stick up for Liam. Same if one of them got kicked out of BDI. One might be more willing to dish dirt after that. Their version doesn't really matter to me. Some have said that they wish video footage would come out. I'd rather that not happen. I'd would hate it. If video footage were released, then whenever someone said the name Oasis, people will either show that video or think of it. I would rather for them to be remembered for at least some of their music, and not let something overshadow any type of legacy that they have.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 11, 2011 11:55:40 GMT -5
Yet he still fails to release any concrete details himself.
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Post by Cast on Jul 11, 2011 12:02:17 GMT -5
Pretty much expected this. Both brothers aren't willing to admit that they were wrong. Liam tries to do it here, but he has never said what his role was in the breakup. He's just said that he deserves some of the blame. Noel is the same way. He's only said that he should have stayed and done the gigs, but he's he's never said why the breakup (meaning also things that happened before the fight too) is his fault too. They both have passed the ball to each other, without saying what they themselves did in the time leading up to the breakup. Liam will pull out the small bullshit that Noel did, and Noel will pull out all the small bullshit that Liam did. Like "you you treated our road manager like shit." or "you wouldn't meet with fans", or something to that extent. It's childish, and it's stupid. And I'm sure that people on this forum will probably argue this (thought threads) for the next few days. But in the end all it will really come down to is who you believe more, and no one will budge in their opinions. I do believe that Liam and Noel did talk about the Pretty Green in the adverts. Liam talked Pretty Green in almost every Oasis related interview, the band was wearing PG, everyone was in it except for Noel. I find it very hard to believe that Liam or someone attached to Liam, did not come to Noel to discuss the PG thing. If Noel is as much as a control freak that Liam says, then surely they or some people attached to them would have talked about it. So I'm buying Noel on the PG adverts. I'm not buying Noel on the hangover. There may have been, but I'll take Liam at his word. He has had hangovers before, and has been able to still perform at gigs. I don't think that a hangover would have kept him from performing. Last I'm speaking on it. (though that was a lot that I just wrote ) excellent post as always. Totally agree with Noel on the PG thing. Liam probably did have throat issues at the gig. They are probably giving us a little truth and probably a decent amount exaggeration mixed with some lies. I'll take each story as a grain of salt for now. But they are both to blame for the Oasis split and you could argue (to a lesser degree) Andy, Gem and Chris are too.
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Post by songbirdsally on Jul 11, 2011 12:02:35 GMT -5
Yet he still fails to release any concrete details himself. maybe because it's non of our business? It's mentionned before that it had to do with 'someone'. Maybe that 'someone' doesn't like to get his/her name dragged into this shit.
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Post by kimallenbewick on Jul 11, 2011 12:03:32 GMT -5
Liam says Noel is a liar but why doesn't he explain what happened then? How are people gonna believe him if he doesn't explain hiself... It's nonsense. He saying he never spoke to Noel about Pretty Green it's ever more nonsense... And I don't believe the laryingitis thing either.
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Post by agnhi on Jul 11, 2011 12:06:44 GMT -5
It's mentionned before that it had to do with 'someone'. Maybe that 'someone' doesn't like to get his/her name dragged into this shit. Good point. It might be there's something(s) that they both do not want to bring to public knowledge and they have to dance around the subject.
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Post by alwaysnow on Jul 11, 2011 12:15:42 GMT -5
Liam comes up pretty well from the interview, I think. He does admit he has part of the blame, which is more than Noel did. Just trying to balance things, fair enough. I guess he'll sometime tell the details, but I think it's more tasteful to not get too specific, since it's their problem at the end of the day.
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Post by bwilder on Jul 11, 2011 12:22:12 GMT -5
I tend to lean a little more in Noel's favor just based on past events, which I realize won't hold up in court but if you watch some of those gigs on youtube toward the end of Oasis, Liam looks really angry. Noel, of course, doesn't acknowledge him which pisses Liam off because he's always wanted attention and approval from Noel. I find it hard to believe PG never came up with Noel. Unless, Noel is making up a really long, elaborate story about the adverts being in the tour program. I believe that Liam had laryngitis but it was probably caused by or exacerbated by his drinking.
Although Noel is definitely partly to blame (I do believe he was probably rude to road managers and probably unconcerned about what other band members thought when he invited Russell Brand or journalists backstage and isolated himself from the others) I believe Liam is more at fault. Noel should've reacted more logically although that's easier said than done when a guitar is being waved at your face.
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Post by agnhi on Jul 11, 2011 12:34:52 GMT -5
Just sayin'. Liam didn't walk out though.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 11, 2011 12:57:59 GMT -5
FFS the cricket bat thing was when they were in their 20's and high off their faces. Why do people keep using that as an excuse for a violent snap 15 years down the line?
I believe Liam when he says he wasn't hung over. But from what I understand there was video of him yelling and drink @ the match the day before. I refuse to believe his inflamed vocal chords weren't his fault. He deserved all the bad press he got for that.
I also don't believe him about PG though. Maybe they did most of that fighting about that through intermediaries though which is how Liam feels justified in saying that.
And for those that are saying Liam is taking more responsibility than Noel. Tell me how. What does he say he did wrong with out saying that the only reason he did it was because Noel did/said X.
Liam hasn't said anything he did wrong and neither has Noel. They are probably both too ashamed to admit what dicks they were.
The way Noel told it all the other issues were more or less what we knew they were like any way. He seemed to put a lot of stock in Liam's "unnecessary acts of violence" as the final straw which is the one thing that Liam can't and won't refute.
All the rest is the same old shit. I will only forgive that if he comes up with something Noel said that deserved a concussion. I still think Noel drew a reasonable line. Don't be in a band with someone that will hit you with a weapon seems like a decent personal rule.
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Post by agnhi on Jul 11, 2011 13:03:48 GMT -5
FFS the cricket bat thing was when they were in their 20's and high off their faces. Why do people keep using that as an excuse for a violent snap 15 years down the line? Not an excuse. Just annoys me there's lots of people who seem to think Liam trying to hit Noel with a guitar makes him a lot worse person than Noel. No matter the age or how off their heads they were(can't remember a mention of Noel being off his head but dunno), I find it silly if people ignore it in Noel's favour.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 11, 2011 13:08:13 GMT -5
In that fight Noel and Liam were having a physical altercation already apparently.
Doesn't seem to be the case in this one according to anyone. Noel or Liam.
Also it was during the WTSMG recording...Noel has frequently said they were high for the entirety of that.
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Post by agnhi on Jul 11, 2011 13:13:36 GMT -5
In that fight Noel and Liam were having a physical altercation already apparently. Doesn't seem to be the case in this one according to anyone. Noel or Liam. Also it was during the WTSMG recording...Noel has frequently said they were high for the entirety of that. Liam was drunk but Noel was working on the album, so couldn't have been totally out of it. People just seem to excuse Noel so much easier and forget all the shit he's done. And still it really seems plenty of people aren't aware of incidents like the cricket bat one. (and saying all that, I'm not taking sides about the split.)
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Post by gdforever on Jul 11, 2011 13:17:21 GMT -5
They were 20 and drug addicts.
Also...from the way Noel told it, they both reached for the bat.
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Post by agnhi on Jul 11, 2011 13:32:21 GMT -5
They were 20 and drug addicts. Also...from the way Noel told it, they both reached for the bat. Yes. It just goes to say they're both capable of doing something like this. Some people just find Liam's guitar swinging far more outrageous than anything they could ever see Noel doing. (~23 and 28 more like:p)
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