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Post by coconutstall on Jul 7, 2020 16:51:23 GMT -5
Probably not the thing to be bringing up so soon but it’s hard not to think about the music. So it looks like they will continue as Kasabian without him! Very brave decision and it is pretty risky, I presume Serge will be the frontman now but I would love them to bring in a new one if it’s one guy because it seems perfect to me... and that’s Miles Kane. Friends with the lads so I don’t think it’d be backstabbing Tom and would actually provide a new energy to the band and could take them further.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 7, 2020 17:32:04 GMT -5
The latest statement from Kasabian just makes it even messier. He was a dick for doing what he did - problems or not, it's been well known for a while he has issues, but that's no excuse for what he did. Just think the band/management could definitely have handled it better. No need to say anything today trying to come out as squeaky clean - nobody was even suggesting the band had done anything wrong. 100%. To dig him out further in the statement really helps nobody. As you said he’s an absolute twat for doing what he did, there is definitely no excuse for that but you’re literally making things worse for him by turning your back on him and heaping all the blame on him and essentially just directing people to send him abuse, when it’s someone who’s clearly dealing with serious mental health issues I think that’s not a great thing to do. Horrified that he’s not been given any jail time, apparently his fiancée isn’t the one pressing charges and didn’t want to prosecute him because she wants to get back together so that probably helped his cause I guess. I also think this is worth a mention, this lady didn’t want to prosecute him - why mention her name in every article when she clearly didn’t want this media attention? Then idiots on social media will undoubtedly attack her despite being the victim. It’s not like it’s a case where she is a big name so people know her, just saying her name literally adds nothing to the story and hurts her in a way she clearly doesn’t want. It's all a mess. He clearly has issues and yes, no excuse for what happened. The judge's reasons for not sending him to jail were clear – he has no previous cases of any violence historically. Without condoning what he did whatsoever, in the British justice system that tends to help out / vice-versa the other way, in certain situations. I'm no expert at all on the law obviously and can't comment on what would have been 'fair'. I don't particularly want someone thrown in prison if it can be avoided. The bloke's cocked up. In the grand scheme of rock stars being dicks, he's probably low on the list, but it doesn't make it any better. Hopefully he get the help he needs but more importantly his victim does too, and the child who witnessed the attack. Don't feel sympathy for him, just not sure the statement tonight was needed - but this, and even yesterday's statement trying to get ahead of it, is I fear the result of the culture we live in nowadays, especially on social media. You won't get a band with any attitude come along any time soon. They're all too afraid to say anything. |
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Post by matt on Jul 7, 2020 17:34:43 GMT -5
The band have made a right dogs dinner with their most recent statement. Unbelievable.
With all said and done, the whole thing is just so sad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 17:47:01 GMT -5
There is absolutely no reason to hear from Kasabian ever again.
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jul 7, 2020 20:21:19 GMT -5
I'm absolutely astonished from this news. I will not go into Tom's personal life honestly, all I care is about the music. And with Tom being out of the band, Kasabian should be calling it a day. We got THE SLP project from Serge which was a nice record. Also, far from defending something as horrifying as this is, that post on Instagram shouldn't have been posted. I mean, there were news everywhere and reading the earlier post and the news, it's hard to miss what happened. As humans and persons, kicking Tom out of the band was the right thing to do and really brave. As a music lover and specially a Kasabian fan, If Tom's not getting his life all together and clearing his path, I would prefer, as much as it bugs me, that Kasabian is over. Tom was part of the soul of that band, and without him it's definitely not the same.
PS: I guess I should change my profile picture but I think we're all grown people that knows how to distinguish between the artist's personal life and his work as a musician. I think that we all love The Smiths given the fact of what kind of human being Morrissey is.
With that being said, lost souls forever!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 8, 2020 0:49:28 GMT -5
I think as a community, there needs to be an awakening towards how often this shit happens. I am by no means suggesting that anyone on this forum or who has commented on this thread is unaware or anything like that, so please do not take offence. However, some of the comments on Kasabian's tweets have been sickening. Accusing the lady in question of faking it, suggesting that he was probably provoked etc. Similar thing when Liam was seen doing it. Yes, Debbie came out and said it was nothing... but you don't fucking strangle women. You just don't. And a lot of people excuse it because they like the songs these people sing. Fuck that and fuck them. Apparently Tom denied it for the longest time until video evidence was supplied documenting what he did. Then his tune changed. No pun intended. Sad state of affairs. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 8, 2020 0:58:07 GMT -5
Probably not the thing to be bringing up so soon but it’s hard not to think about the music. So it looks like they will continue as Kasabian without him! Very brave decision and it is pretty risky, I presume Serge will be the frontman now but I would love them to bring in a new one if it’s one guy because it seems perfect to me... and that’s Miles Kane. Friends with the lads so I don’t think it’d be backstabbing Tom and would actually provide a new energy to the band and could take them further. The band is over. The sooner they accepted it the better. |
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Post by russiangenius on Jul 8, 2020 2:52:47 GMT -5
There is absolutely no reason to hear from Kasabian ever again. There is a reason. I don't defend woman beating but I understand that Kasabian music has nothing with accident as it was made before this horrible thing. I will still listen to Kasabian without thinking about Meighan mistake - I just know that previous albums were released far away from all this stuff. Kasabian is not only Meighan, all lyrics were written by Pizzorno so Tom was just a lead and sang Serge's thoughts (and even then Meighan was a good boy). Maybe there's no reason for reuniting without lead singer (but I highly doubt it won't happen after a year or two - again, music will have nothing side by side with physical violence as Meighan would sing Pizzorno stuff) but I have no disgust to return to older stuff - I'm not overthinking too much upd: ah, likin' and makin' comments ('appaling music') against Kasabian... ladies and gentlemen - Kasabian hater is in this thread. Such a shame. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Jul 8, 2020 7:40:33 GMT -5
They should retire the Kasabian name and comeback with a brand new name, like Beady Eye did after Oasis.
It still amazes me that across the entire first Beady Eye tour they didn't play a single Oasis song.
Huge balls.
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 8, 2020 9:13:30 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever heard a Kasabian song. Never met anyone who liked Kasabian. Never seen a Kasabian t-shirt.
Don't think that'll be changing going forward, now.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Jul 8, 2020 9:43:34 GMT -5
Just get a new frontman! Milles Kane was a good suggestion!
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jul 8, 2020 12:03:35 GMT -5
New frontman I think. Either do what AC/DC did and audition for anyone or bring in a famous friend.
OR....
Make it a reality show. Audition for a new singer X Factor style. All advertising proceeds/revenue going to domestic abuse charities and/or mental health / addiction charities.
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Post by Gas Panic on Jul 8, 2020 12:39:35 GMT -5
New frontman I think. Either do what AC/DC did and audition for anyone or bring in a famous friend. OR.... Make it a reality show. Audition for a new singer X Factor style. All advertising proceeds/revenue going to domestic abuse charities and/or mental health / addiction charities. Thats what Velvet Revolver did in the early 2000s when they were looking for a singer. |
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Post by morning_rain on Jul 8, 2020 13:27:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 14:03:17 GMT -5
Good luck to him in his recovery and it's ultimately his partner's decision what she wants, but neither alcoholism nor ADHD explains his actions. That's in you or it isn't.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 8, 2020 16:20:16 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever heard a Kasabian song. Never met anyone who liked Kasabian. Never seen a Kasabian t-shirt. Don't think that'll be changing going forward, now. This forum is chock full of them. Especially between 2008-2012. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 8, 2020 16:22:39 GMT -5
They should retire the Kasabian name and comeback with a brand new name, like Beady Eye did after Oasis. It still amazes me that across the entire first Beady Eye tour they didn't play a single Oasis song.Huge balls. It was the only way the band was going to work. Once they played Oasis songs they would be seen as an Oasis tribute act which is ironic because it has 4 members of Oasis in it! Back in 2010 I said once Beady Eye played their first Oasis songs live the band would be dead within a year. Turns out I was 100% correct. I loved that they tried to do only their new material. Noel left you guys! Don't use his material to fluff up the setlist. Show some fucking pride. |
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Post by bt95 on Jul 8, 2020 17:02:10 GMT -5
Good luck to him in his recovery and it's ultimately his partner's decision what she wants, but neither alcoholism nor ADHD explains his actions. That's in you or it isn't. Which is exactly what he said, isn't it. And no, I'm not defending him. He did a horrid thing and his career has been done for by it. I think Kasabian / their management chucking him under the bus in the way they did with yesterday's statement has made it messier. It didn't really seem like there was the need for another statement at that stage, from them, at least. But then again it's 2020 and everybody has to make it absolutely clear they aren't bad people. |
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Post by bt95 on Jul 8, 2020 17:04:29 GMT -5
They should retire the Kasabian name and comeback with a brand new name, like Beady Eye did after Oasis. It still amazes me that across the entire first Beady Eye tour they didn't play a single Oasis song.Huge balls. It was the only way the band was going to work. Once they played Oasis songs they would be seen as an Oasis tribute act which is ironic because it has 4 members of Oasis in it! Back in 2010 I said once Beady Eye played their first Oasis songs live the band would be dead within a year. Turns out I was 100% correct. I loved that they tried to do only their new material. Noel left you guys! Don't use his material to fluff up the setlist. Show some fucking pride. And yet, while I agree, if they had done that on the first tour, they'd probably have been playing arenas, not academies, by the end of it. Weird how it works. Then again, I still think timing had a lot to do with BE's failure. Ultimately the songs weren't there but the timing didn't help; people had had enough of Oasis (in the 'traditional' sense - i.e. Liam and Noel squabbling) by that point. Compare that to 2017 - present day and it couldn't be more different. |
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Post by bt95 on Jul 8, 2020 17:05:55 GMT -5
But back to Kasabian, meh, pack it in.
Tom and Serge are/were Kasabian, really.
The band's done. Tom made those songs.
He's a tit for what he did. Made a mistake that he'll probably never play down. Doesn't take away from the fact that he was a brilliant frontman for that band and those songs.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 8, 2020 17:06:53 GMT -5
It was the only way the band was going to work. Once they played Oasis songs they would be seen as an Oasis tribute act which is ironic because it has 4 members of Oasis in it! Back in 2010 I said once Beady Eye played their first Oasis songs live the band would be dead within a year. Turns out I was 100% correct. I loved that they tried to do only their new material. Noel left you guys! Don't use his material to fluff up the setlist. Show some fucking pride. And yet, while I agree, if they had done that on the first tour, they'd probably have been playing arenas, not academies, by the end of it. Weird how it works. Then again, I still think timing had a lot to do with BE's failure. Ultimately the songs weren't there but the timing didn't help; people had had enough of Oasis (in the 'traditional' sense - i.e. Liam and Noel squabbling) by that point. Compare that to 2017 - present day and it couldn't be more different. Well it is easy to say timing if the songs weren't there. That is the ultimate problem. The songs were weak and the production was rather bland. |
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Post by bt95 on Jul 8, 2020 17:41:12 GMT -5
And yet, while I agree, if they had done that on the first tour, they'd probably have been playing arenas, not academies, by the end of it. Weird how it works. Then again, I still think timing had a lot to do with BE's failure. Ultimately the songs weren't there but the timing didn't help; people had had enough of Oasis (in the 'traditional' sense - i.e. Liam and Noel squabbling) by that point. Compare that to 2017 - present day and it couldn't be more different. Well it is easy to say timing if the songs weren't there. That is the ultimate problem. The songs were weak and the production was rather bland. Think it's a bit of both is what I was trying to say. There wasn't really any clamour for the rest of the band (minus Noel) at that point in 2010/11, at least outside of the hardcore fanbase. And then the songs weren't good enough to get anyone outside of the hardcore fanbase interested. Whereas NGHFB was widely considered a 'return to form' for Noel - even though really it was just that it was the first album of songs written entirely by him in 14 years. Obviously with Kasabian I can't see Tom doing anything anytime soon on his own so it's different, but it just would seem odd for them to carry on like they're some legacy band (like Queen for example). |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 8, 2020 18:45:29 GMT -5
Well it is easy to say timing if the songs weren't there. That is the ultimate problem. The songs were weak and the production was rather bland. Think it's a bit of both is what I was trying to say. There wasn't really any clamour for the rest of the band (minus Noel) at that point in 2010/11, at least outside of the hardcore fanbase. And then the songs weren't good enough to get anyone outside of the hardcore fanbase interested. Whereas NGHFB was widely considered a 'return to form' for Noel - even though really it was just that it was the first album of songs written entirely by him in 14 years. Obviously with Kasabian I can't see Tom doing anything anytime soon on his own so it's different, but it just would seem odd for them to carry on like they're some legacy band (like Queen for example). Like I said earlier. It’s sad to say and no way the bands fault but the group is over. We can enjoy their past efforts but I’ve tuned out over the last 5-7 years. I don’t need to see or hear a Serge led Kasabian. |
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Post by Manualex on Jul 8, 2020 19:02:04 GMT -5
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 8, 2020 19:54:05 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever heard a Kasabian song. Never met anyone who liked Kasabian. Never seen a Kasabian t-shirt. Don't think that'll be changing going forward, now. This forum is chock full of them. Especially between 2008-2012. I am very pleased to say that I have never met anyone from this forum |
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