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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 5, 2011 11:07:46 GMT -5
Why does every single new thread on here turn into Noel vs Liam?  My opinion for what it's worth is that they have both done far worse individually than what they subsequestly accuse the other of doing wrong. Noel gets away with this perception of everything being Liam's fault because he did 99% of the interviews, is a very elequent and funny interviewee so he sows seeds that people pick up on. Because Liam isn't as articulate he resorts to verbal abuse (either playful or meaningfull) in interviews which doesn't always paint the right picture. Just because someone uses bigger words and tells a good story doesn't mean they are telling the truth the whole time What are you talking about? Everything is always Noels fault? That is the point. Noel can tell his side of the story as much as he wanted about how someone else dropped the ball...but people STILL blamed him. Liam hardly gets blamed for anything. He goes to a football game, yells a bit there and has to cancel a gig. Everyone says fair enough. Liam runs of during the mixing and leaves things undone...but the reason that the songs are left off the album is because Noel didn't make the time to do it later. Little James was crap...Noel shouldn't have put it on... When is the last time Liam got cop for something that he didn't instigate? Noel as was clear in Oasis was the 'Chief', he has to take responsibillity. If you're gonna make the vast majority of the decisions you have to take the shit that goes with it. Its what being the leader entails, if Liam or anyone else steps out of line you snap them back for it. Noel always say's he walked in at the start and said something like 'this is how we are gonna do it from now on'. You gotta take what comes with that. Liam has got a lot of shit on here, some for good reasons some for not so good reasons. But you can't have it both ways. |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 5, 2011 11:08:28 GMT -5
^^whats the total? I know Liam was gone for part of the US leg and Noel was also gone for a good chunk of shows when he ran away to the west coast. Liam always cops a load of flak for that '96 US tour, but here's the fact: he missed one show, the first show of the tour in Chicago on 27th August 1996. He was back for the next show on the 30th in Michigan. What happened at the end of the tour was a different matter, with Noel walking out IIRC. Then you had the last few months of the European tour in 2000 where Noel didn't want to play any shows in mainland Europe, only in the UK and Ireland. So you had the farcical situation where Noel missed a few shows in Europe, came back for the UK, then stayed at home when the band went back to Europe, then came back for the UK festivals. Not on, and far worse than what Liam did for the 96 tour. Thanxs for clearing that up for me. Mr. Monobrow |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 5, 2011 11:11:24 GMT -5
I'm not arguing about it I just feel the way he's spoke about Noel since the split is unjust. He hasn't said anything nasty or malicious as far as I'm aware? He has just stated his opinion on the matter as he has been asked about it and fairplay to Liam for answering the question, all he has basically said in all the interviews he's been asked about the matter is ''Noel wanted out'' and that Noel is ''Miserable'', I think people forget they are brothers at times as well, so what if they slag each other off, half the time they probably don't even mean it. I'm not saying Noel is to blame for everything in Oasis splitting but I think Liam is right in saying ''He wanted out'', on the last tour you could tell Noel seemed really un-interested on stage, the only performance he seemed up for it was the Argentina gig. I dont think that Liam has said anything overly malicious either. but it is starting to get tiring always seeing an interview and Liam is slagging off Noel or slagging off Oasis. I think too much of it, has been done to get BDI more publicity. I mean in the end, he doesnt have to answer the question if he doesnt want to. He does have that freedom, doesnt he? |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 5, 2011 11:12:42 GMT -5
What are you talking about? Everything is always Noels fault? That is the point. Noel can tell his side of the story as much as he wanted about how someone else dropped the ball...but people STILL blamed him. Liam hardly gets blamed for anything. He goes to a football game, yells a bit there and has to cancel a gig. Everyone says fair enough. Liam runs of during the mixing and leaves things undone...but the reason that the songs are left off the album is because Noel didn't make the time to do it later. Little James was crap...Noel shouldn't have put it on... When is the last time Liam got cop for something that he didn't instigate? Noel as was clear in Oasis was the 'Chief', he has to take responsibillity. If you're gonna make the vast majority of the decisions you have to take the shit that goes with it. Its what being the leader entails, if Liam or anyone else steps out of line you snap them back for it. Noel always say's he walked in at the start and said something like 'this is how we are gonna do it from now on'. You gotta take what comes with that. Liam has got a lot of shit on here, some for good reasons some for not so good reasons. But you can't have it both ways. True. Like I said in an earlier post, yes its both Liam and Noel's fault, but more blame will always follow Noel because in the end he had final say in everything that was Oasis. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 5, 2011 12:09:17 GMT -5
What are you talking about? Everything is always Noels fault? That is the point. Noel can tell his side of the story as much as he wanted about how someone else dropped the ball...but people STILL blamed him. Liam hardly gets blamed for anything. He goes to a football game, yells a bit there and has to cancel a gig. Everyone says fair enough. Liam runs of during the mixing and leaves things undone...but the reason that the songs are left off the album is because Noel didn't make the time to do it later. Little James was crap...Noel shouldn't have put it on... When is the last time Liam got cop for something that he didn't instigate? Noel as was clear in Oasis was the 'Chief', he has to take responsibillity. If you're gonna make the vast majority of the decisions you have to take the shit that goes with it. Its what being the leader entails, if Liam or anyone else steps out of line you snap them back for it. Noel always say's he walked in at the start and said something like 'this is how we are gonna do it from now on'. You gotta take what comes with that. Liam has got a lot of shit on here, some for good reasons some for not so good reasons. But you can't have it both ways. I just think they both have to take responsibility that's all. It not that I think Noel is blameless. But I don't have much respect for people that allow themselves to be run roughshod over either. |
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Post by beadyeyeunofficial on Jan 5, 2011 12:15:24 GMT -5
I honestly don't know who Noel thinks he is. Without Liam, Oasis would never have been famous.
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Post by beadyeyeunofficial on Jan 5, 2011 12:32:14 GMT -5
I honestly don't know who Noel thinks he is. Without Liam, Oasis would never have been famous. Get off Liam's dick. Without Noel, there'd have been no Oasis, Without Liam there'd been no Oasis, without Tony, Bonehead, and Guigsy there'd have been no Oasis. Oasis were a band / group, all needed each other. Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? I've never said that it was solely Liam who made Oasis big. If you look around the forum, you'll see that I've expressed support for the original lineup to reform. You're so far up Noel's arse he has to brush his teeth twice. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 5, 2011 12:46:55 GMT -5
I honestly don't know who Noel thinks he is. Without Liam, Oasis would never have been famous. You do realize that Noel hasn't said anything about Liam and Oasis for about a year right? |
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Post by beadyeyeunofficial on Jan 5, 2011 12:51:29 GMT -5
I honestly don't know who Noel thinks he is. Without Liam, Oasis would never have been famous. You do realize that Noel hasn't said anything about Liam and Oasis for about a year right? That's because he's a boring old fart. He's sitting at home, listening to Thom Yorke wax lyrical about renewable energy while counting his grey hairs. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 5, 2011 12:53:49 GMT -5
You do realize that Noel hasn't said anything about Liam and Oasis for about a year right? That's because he's a boring old fart. He's sitting at home, listening to Thom Yorke wax lyrical about renewable energy while counting his grey hairs. Why am I feeding the troll. Will i never learn? |
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Post by beadyeyeunofficial on Jan 5, 2011 12:56:54 GMT -5
That's because he's a boring old fart. He's sitting at home, listening to Thom Yorke wax lyrical about renewable energy while counting his grey hairs. Why am I feeding the troll. Will i never learn? Look, I'm getting quite a few private messages from members on this forum expressing support for my posts recently. I'm not trolling, merely ruffling a few feathers of Team Noel. |
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Post by vespa on Jan 5, 2011 13:04:24 GMT -5
noel split oasis up simple as that....they had reached a point that they couldnt go beyond and the time was right for a break
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Post by spaneli on Jan 5, 2011 13:13:21 GMT -5
I honestly don't know who Noel thinks he is. Without Liam, Oasis would never have been famous. I dont know if I'm team Noel or Liam. I havent decided. Prob never will, but I think its pretty stupid to discount the fact that Liam so far has been the only one throwing pot shots, while Noel has stayed pretty quiet. Liam had a great voice, but it wouldnt have meant anything if he didnt have the right songs for his voice. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 5, 2011 13:17:45 GMT -5
Actually I am not being truthful...I think sometime last month but maybe November Noel did say something about Liam. lol
He said that Liam looked good in hats...on Talksport.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 5, 2011 13:22:31 GMT -5
Also,HE BUTCHERED MANY GOOD SONGS WITH HIS BAD SINGING FROM 2000 ONWARDS(go let it out,love like a bomb,keep the dream alive,a bell will ring and on and on...).It's one of the reasons that only loyal fans buy their records these days.. I play songs from DBTT and HC to friends who love the first two albums and they say ''what the fuck happened to him?''...Although i love his singing on DOYS,but still... Anyway,he should be a bit more humble especially towards his brother.... That's not entirely true. I haven't read the rest of the comments on page 3 yet, and the first 2 pages have way too much for me to only get involved in now, but I do want to address the above quote. Sure, Liam's voice has changed but the average punter doesn't care. It's only people like us - the hardcore Oasis fans - that will analyze every nuanced word that comes out of Liam's vocal chords at a concert. You seem to forget that the DBTT era was the brightest moment in Oasis' recent history - both for the band and their resurgence in popularity, the latter of which continued into the DOYS era. Oasis' declining interest from 2000-2005 had very little, if anything to do with Liam's worsening voice. This is perhaps another topic for another thread, but I'll touch on it here, too. All things come and go, and sometimes even have a resurgence in popularity as they become 'cool' again. Oasis in the 90s were fresh. As time went on, they became the status quo as their musical output and honest interviews remained the same. Sure, some of the singing and song writing declined for those first 5 years of the 21st century, but the main reason why people lost interest is because the band didn't change they way it operated - musically and personally, they offered nothing new. (Note: That's fine with me. I like how Oasis sound and how they are, I personally didn't want them to change anyway - hence I'm still a fan). I don't fully know why people jumped back on the Oasis bandwagon in 2005 for DBTT, but they did. But this isn't unusual, either. Most things, if they go on long enough, get that retro, nostalgic appeal and that might have been what prompted people getting interested in Oasis again. But to say people lost interest in 2005 is wrong. And to say the declining interest prior to 2005 correlates to Liam's declining voice is also wrong. |
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Post by putthisin ® on Jan 5, 2011 14:03:17 GMT -5
Liam is seriously delusional judging from this interview and others.... Can't he shut the fuck up and realise that he is one of the lucky people in the history of british rock? Sure he used to be a great vocalist during 94-97,but nobody would ever be interested in hearing his lennonesque songriting efforts,if he wasn't noel's brother... He made a fortune based on songs written by somebody else for fuck's sake...Sure i love the fact that he doesn't play the game and his hilarious comments about everything...but NOBODY WOULD EVER GIVE A FUCK ABOUT LIAM GALLAGHER IF HIS BROTHER WASN'T A GREAT SONGWRITER.... Also,HE BUTCHERED MANY GOOD SONGS WITH HIS BAD SINGING FROM 2000 ONWARDS(go let it out,love like a bomb,keep the dream alive,a bell will ring and on and on...).It's one of the reasons that only loyal fans buy their records these days.. I play songs from DBTT and HC to friends who love the first two albums and they say ''what the fuck happened to him?''...Although i love his singing on DOYS,but still... Anyway,he should be a bit more humble especially towards his brother.... Do you know many artists made a fortune based on someone else's song-writing? And the answer is --> All those who were in the songwriter's band and didn't write any tunes. And that's a lot of them. And do you think, for example, that GLIO would be better if Noel layed the vocals himself? You are delusional. I'm supporting Liam on this one. I could only respect Noel's decision of leaving good songs out of the albums if he had the dignity and courage to state "Yeah, I want these songs on my solo album so I put some of the lads' tunes on it". And I remember that Andy didn't want TNOR on DOYS. Noel did, and now I'm starting to realise why. Liam's marriage my ass. He should have been more honest. I hate this sly attitude of his. I do love Noel, though. I hope he puts out a masterpiece, a classic album. |
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 5, 2011 14:11:07 GMT -5
I think Liam's marriage was only a excuse for Noel to blame Liam for something.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 5, 2011 14:16:31 GMT -5
Reading the past 4 pages shows to me why reality tv has caught on so much. And for that I blame both Noel and Liam.  [Tongue in cheek of course, but there is a little bit of truth to the first part of that statement] |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 5, 2011 14:23:40 GMT -5
Why would Noel leave songs that he wanted Liam to sing off the album in favor of keeping them for his own album?
A great Liam song is not the same as a great Noel song. I like TSOLT but it would big measure less great sung by Noel. Same with TT, BIU, Lyla, CS, WW, SMS, GLIO, GP, RnRS...and basically all other Liam sung Oasis songs.
Frankly if he left off songs that they had been planning for Liam to sing because he wanted to release them on his own album he was the worst kind of fool.
BTW Headmaster...what kind of job do have where it is OK to leave work early when your work is unfinished. They are rock stars...but they are also adults. Just wish Liam would've acted like an adult. Wish Noel wouldn't acted more like a band leader and less like an annoyed brother. But unfortunately that was what Oasis was. Most of the problems in the band can be traced back to a combination of Liam acting juvenile and Noel acting like an annoyed older brother.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 5, 2011 14:25:29 GMT -5
Reading the past 4 pages shows to me why reality tv has caught on so much. And for that I blame both Noel and Liam. [Tongue in cheek of course, but there is a little bit of truth to the first part of that statement] You do have to admit that honest human interaction is one of the most interesting things out there. Same reason that people love a good scripted drama as well...not just reality TV. |
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Post by Rolo on Jan 5, 2011 20:21:45 GMT -5
This is all getting a bit stupid, the whole team Noel and team Liam thing is ridiculous, Oasis was Liam AND Noel, with out one another the band wouldn't of reached the heights that they did, so it's pointless going on about that factor of it all. I love Noel but as some of you may know I'm more of a Liam fan myself, that doesn't mean I blame everything on Noel, some parts of this whole blow up was probably down to Liam too but looking at the whole picture Noel is definitely to blame for the split of Oasis, he was the one who walked out yes?
Anyway, back on topic, gdforever you talk a good game but as some have already stated Noel was the so called 'Cheif' of Oasis so if they were Noel written songs he should of took responsibility for them and made sure Liam got the vocals down, as I keep saying Liam took two DAYS off, not two weeks, it shouldn't of really effected the recording process but Noel went in to a sulk and decided to put songs on that weren't orginally made for the album. I think personally the whole Liam marriage thing was just an excuse to keep the songs for himself as he knew deep down this would be Oasis' last album.
It's fair enough if he wanted to keep the songs for himself but he should of come out and said that instead of shifting the blame on Liam.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 5, 2011 20:40:34 GMT -5
I don't believe that though. I think Liam is talking a good line now...but that wasn't what he was saying in 2008. Liam was never one to hide his opinions. He seemed convinced in 2008 that Noel put a lot of effort into Oasis and was "full-on into the Oasis thing, man"...then 2 years later it's as if it's the absolute opposite. So either he was lying then or he has retrospectively chosen to think as he thinks now to explain why Noel left.
It was Noel that ended Oasis...no one is arguing that. Totally Noels fault. If he hadn't pulled to plug I doubt Liam would have ever left. Liam has a sweet deal with Oasis. What was there not to like for him. He got to expend minimal effort most of the time and his brother took up the brunt of all the decisions, responsibilities, and obligations. Why would he have left? He was more fancy free with Oasis than he probably ever will be again. It was always going to be Noel that ended it when you really consider it. It was just a matter of when.
Liam sometimes complained about Noel making all the decisions...but then it's not as if Liam seemed to be much of a viable alternative as he was in Oasis. If Noel didn't do it it didn't get done...that seems to be something we all seem agree on. Noel didn't book the studio time for Liam and sit with him while he recorded...so of course it didn't get done.
What I am saying is that the fact that Liam left that all to Noel and hadn't seemed to have taken up any significant responsibility over the the years. Even though he bitched sometimes...I don't think he really wanted it to change. I think he like his role of mischevious, undermining, annoying little brother.
Was Noel the leader? Without a doubt. But it didn't seem that any of the others was trying to challenge the status quo in any productive way. Liam would take pot shots @ Noel but do you think he ever had a proper conversation with Noel about what he wanted to do with the band? Frankly, I doubt it.
If you let someone walk over you...some of the blame rests with you.
Also...seriously...I understand Noel's tune not being finished for DOYS...but why wasn't Liam's? Not once have I heard Liam say. "Well, I finished my fooking tune, but the lazy fooker was too lazy to go in and finish his. And he refused to put my track on the fooking record even though it was finished and ready to go, the crackhead"
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Post by Robert Van Winkle on Jan 5, 2011 20:48:44 GMT -5
I don't believe that though. I think Liam is talking a good line now...but that wasn't what he was saying in 2008. Liam was never one to hide his opinions. He seemed convinced in 2008 that Noel put a lot of effort into Oasis and was "full-on into the Oasis thing, man"...then 2 years later it's as if it's the absolute opposite. So either he was lying then or he has retrospectively chosen to think as he thinks now to explain why Noel left. It was Noel that ended Oasis...no one is arguing that. Totally Noels fault. If he hadn't pulled to plug I doubt Liam would have ever left. Liam has a sweet deal with Oasis. What was there not to like for him. He got to expend minimal effort most of the time and his brother took up the brunt of all the decisions, responsibilities, and obligations. Why would he have left? He was more fancy free with Oasis than he probably ever will be again. It was always going to be Noel that ended it when you really consider it. It was just a matter of when. Liam sometimes complained about Noel making all the decisions...but then it's not as if Liam seemed to be much of a viable alternative as he was in Oasis. If Noel didn't do it it didn't get done...that seems to be something we all seem agree on. Noel didn't book the studio time for Liam and sit with him while he recorded...so of course it didn't get done. What I am saying is that the fact that Liam left that all to Noel and hadn't seemed to have taken up any significant responsibility over the the years. Even though he bitched sometimes...I don't think he really wanted it to change. I think he like his role of mischevious, undermining, annoying little brother. Was Noel the leader? Without a doubt. But it didn't seem that any of the others was trying to challenge the status quo in any productive way. Liam would take pot shots @ Noel but do you think he ever had a proper conversation with Noel about what he wanted to do with the band? Frankly, I doubt it. If you let someone walk over you...some of the blame rests with you. Also...seriously...I understand Noel's tune not being finished for DOYS...but why wasn't Liam's? Not once have I heard Liam say. "Well, I finished my fooking tune, but the lazy fooker was too lazy to go in and finish his. And he refused to put my track on the fooking record even though it was finished and ready to go, the crackhead" Crackhead. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 5, 2011 20:52:53 GMT -5
Honestly. This is not me being Team Noel. If anything it's the criticism comes from a perspective that Liam was better than that.
I have always liked Liam. I look @ what he has done with BDI and from the interview he has been really engaged in the whole process. That is the Liam I wanted him to be for Oasis. He was capable of it all along...but it was easy for him to sit in a corner and take pot-shots @ Noel than push for his views to be heard, acknowledged, and actualised. Noel would have fought against it because he is a stubborn, controlling, person...but he need to be pushed into letting some of his control go. He was never gonna give it up voluntarily...no one in power ever does. But it should have happened. With the contributions of the members being more even he should never have been able to maintain as much control as he did IMO.
Frankly, I think the split was a good thing for them both. It'll probably benefit Liam more than we'll ever know.
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Post by Robert Van Winkle on Jan 5, 2011 22:38:01 GMT -5
Honestly. This is not me being Team Noel. If anything it's the criticism comes from a perspective that Liam was better than that. I have always liked Liam. I look @ what he has done with BDI and from the interview he has been really engaged in the whole process. That is the Liam I wanted him to be for Oasis. He was capable of it all along...but it was easy for him to sit in a corner and take pot-shots @ Noel than push for his views to be heard, acknowledged, and actualised. Noel would have fought against it because he is a stubborn, controlling, person...but he need to be pushed into letting some of his control go. He was never gonna give it up voluntarily...no one in power ever does. But it should have happened. With the contributions of the members being more even he should never have been able to maintain as much control as he did IMO. Frankly, I think the split was a good thing for them both. It'll probably benefit Liam more than we'll ever know. you should write an Oasis biography, or become a psychologist. |
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