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Post by General Dread on Dec 20, 2010 18:32:00 GMT -5
So FLW is about Noel? Some people have been discussing it throughout several threads, It would make the lyrics seem very clever:
Thanks Mr. Monobrow for the lyrics.
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Post by deasy on Dec 20, 2010 18:34:16 GMT -5
Tenuous
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Post by gdforever on Dec 20, 2010 19:03:31 GMT -5
I think that'd be great. Hope the lyrics are as clever as that.
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Post by The Morning Son on Dec 20, 2010 19:10:43 GMT -5
For me it would have to be Liam who has wrote this song for it to be about Noel.
It's all in the last two lines. Almost saying Noel wrote all those Oasis songs about him when he couldnt put his thoughts into words but now he's able to do it and theres pressure on Noel.
That's my interpretation at the moment, that could change when we hear the full play.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 20, 2010 20:16:26 GMT -5
It is clever (I especially like the line "The battle's on and your soul is the prize" and I do like the sound of the clip. But if it is true - and I'm coming around to the idea that it is - I'm not sure I like the concept.
We had them fight in person, then there were the twitter and blog bickering. The last thing I want is for their tumultuous relationship to be present in their songs for their separate musical projects.
I hope Noel is mature enough to not take the bait this time round. I'm sure that he is.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 20, 2010 21:16:31 GMT -5
It is clever (I especially like the line "The battle's on and your soul is the prize" and I do like the sound of the clip. But if it is true - and I'm coming around to the idea that it is - I'm not sure I like the concept. We had them fight in person, then there were the twitter and blog bickering. The last thing I want is for their tumultuous relationship to be present in their songs for their separate musical projects. I hope Noel is mature enough to not take the bait this time round. I'm sure that he is. I disagree. I think music should be a reflection of experience. To my mind no change in LAG lives has equalled that of the impact of Noel leaving them. For them to write a song about it is absolutely normal. As long as it's well done and the lyrics are good I'm fine with it. I hope it's not bitter, clumsily handled, or extremely transparent. I'd like a song that means something. Besides I'd rather Liam throw down the gauntlet musically than in the press. It's time honored traditions amongst musicians to take pokes at the ex-bandmates that have scorned them. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 20, 2010 21:50:08 GMT -5
It is clever (I especially like the line "The battle's on and your soul is the prize" and I do like the sound of the clip. But if it is true - and I'm coming around to the idea that it is - I'm not sure I like the concept. We had them fight in person, then there were the twitter and blog bickering. The last thing I want is for their tumultuous relationship to be present in their songs for their separate musical projects. I hope Noel is mature enough to not take the bait this time round. I'm sure that he is. I disagree. I think music should be a reflection of experience. To my mind no change in LAG lives has equalled that of the impact of Noel leaving them. For them to write a song about it is absolutely normal. As long as it's well done and the lyrics are good I'm fine with it. I hope it's not bitter, clumsily handled, or extremely transparent. I'd like a song that means something. Besides I'd rather Liam throw down the gauntlet musically than in the press. It's time honored traditions amongst musicians to take pokes at the ex-bandmates that have scorned them. There's ways to do that, though. Look at what Noel came up with when he left the band in the 90s. He didn't mull over his feelings of hatred and write a directly indirect (to clear up the contradiction, read: try to appear being subtle while actually coming across as pretty obvious) commentary on other members. Rather, he used the negative experience and wrote songs such as Talk Tonight and Half the World Away. This is why Noel is a genius. Liam sings "Can you guess my meaning?", well, we can and just did. What makes Noel's writing more mature and better is that his songs are open to interpretation and aren't as blunt. Express your emotions in songs, sure, by all means. But to use it as an outlet to increase tension with your brother is just childish and petty. Again, nothing against the song itself - I just don't want it to exacerbate where Liam feels the need to manifest his dislike of Noel in his songs. We already have an album title targeted at the Oasis collapse, and now we have a song to go a long with it. Come on now. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 20, 2010 22:07:25 GMT -5
I want to reiterate, I am not bashing the song. I am bashing the concept. A one off is ok, but I don't want it to become a theme. However, gdforever said she didn't want it to be bitter. But it's hit me even more - it is bitter! A four letter word is obviously meant as a profanity (not that you need a link, but here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-letter_word ). With that being said, Liam is not only saying the song is about a 4 Letter Word, ie Noel, but he's equating Noel with profanity. He's making 'Noel' be profanity. Basically, he's saying "Fuck Noel". If this isn't bitter, I don't know what is. Again, the song sounds decent and a few glimpses of some good lyrics embedded, but I hope to god the concept is a one off. I don't want to listen to Liam's vendetta against Noel repeatedly in his songs. He's a professional musician, it's time to start acting that way musically. Save the bitterness for scowls at the Brit Awards. |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 20, 2010 23:32:54 GMT -5
I want to reiterate, I am not bashing the song. I am bashing the concept. A one off is ok, but I don't want it to become a theme. However, gdforever said she didn't want it to be bitter. But it's hit me even more - it is bitter! A four letter word is obviously meant as a profanity (not that you need a link, but here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-letter_word ). With that being said, Liam is not only saying the song is about a 4 Letter Word, ie Noel, but he's equating Noel with profanity. He's making 'Noel' be profanity. Basically, he's saying "Fuck Noel". If this isn't bitter, I don't know what is. Again, the song sounds decent and a few glimpses of some good lyrics embedded, but I hope to god the concept is a one off. I don't want to listen to Liam's vendetta against Noel repeatedly in his songs. He's a professional musician, it's time to start acting that way musically. Save the bitterness for scowls at the Brit Awards. I think that you may be reading a bit much into the title meaning Noel=profanity. It could just be a cheeky little title. Maybe the title had originally been called NOEL and they knew they couldn't call it that on the album so they called it "Four Letter Word" as a bit of a joke amongst themselves. A bit of a "He Who Shall Not Be Named" kind of thing. Conceptually it could be mean-spirited...if handled badly or bluntly or bitterly, the lyrics so far don't indicate that to me. But if handled well it could be clever. I think it's kind of just the lyrical expression of Liam's attitude towards Noel. More puzzled than bitter in most parts it seems to me. And expression of him just not understanding what Noel's problem is. "It's all in a moment Look away and it's gone" How fast the time went in Oasis. "It's about time that your mind took a holiday You're all grown up Don't you ever wanna play?" I think it expresses a bit of the bemusement of Liam, a very full-on reckless man, to the attitude of the more well-considered and relatively cerebral Noel. Just saying that he thinks too much sometimes....and I think we can all agree that Noel sometimes over-thinks things latterly instead of going solely on gut since the days of BHN. Doesn't seem bitter though...it seems like something I would say to a friend that I think is taking life a bit to seriously. "Ahhh, you've had enough Of staring out of dead end eyes" "Dead end eyes" seems to me an allusion to the opinion that Noel couldn't see Oasis going anywhere further. That he was sick of the project and could take it anymore. Noel had said things about not knowing where to go with Oasis after DOYS for at least a year before the split. I wouldn't be surprised if the confines of what Oasis had become had become a bit chaffing on Noel...he gave glimpses of it especially in that last year. I am sure Liam was even more aware about Noel dissatifaction with Oasisn than any outsider...and we'll never know the contents of their fights "Ahhh, it's gonna be tough, The battle's on and your soul is the prize" A bit of a gauntlet thrown down...which I don't mind. The only part that is a bit confrontational...but kind of realistic. It will mean a lot for each of the brothers to make a impact on their separate projects. I am very much TEAM NOEL. But I think that if this is handled well it could be quite a good lyric from Liam...something good that means something deeper if you know the story behind it...like Talk Tonight. It's not as if Noel hasn't written a song with way more bile in it than this so far when he wrote Force of Nature. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 21, 2010 0:33:35 GMT -5
I want to reiterate, I am not bashing the song. I am bashing the concept. A one off is ok, but I don't want it to become a theme. However, gdforever said she didn't want it to be bitter. But it's hit me even more - it is bitter! A four letter word is obviously meant as a profanity (not that you need a link, but here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-letter_word ). With that being said, Liam is not only saying the song is about a 4 Letter Word, ie Noel, but he's equating Noel with profanity. He's making 'Noel' be profanity. Basically, he's saying "Fuck Noel". If this isn't bitter, I don't know what is. Again, the song sounds decent and a few glimpses of some good lyrics embedded, but I hope to god the concept is a one off. I don't want to listen to Liam's vendetta against Noel repeatedly in his songs. He's a professional musician, it's time to start acting that way musically. Save the bitterness for scowls at the Brit Awards. I think that you may be reading a bit much into the title meaning Noel=profanity. It could just be a cheeky little title. Maybe the title had originally been called NOEL and they knew they couldn't call it that on the album so they called it "Four Letter Word" as a bit of a joke amongst themselves. A bit of a "He Who Shall Not Be Named" kind of thing. Conceptually it could be mean-spirited...if handled badly or bluntly or bitterly, the lyrics so far don't indicate that to me. But if handled well it could be clever. I think it's kind of just the lyrical expression of Liam's attitude towards Noel. More puzzled than bitter in most parts it seems to me. And expression of him just not understanding what Noel's problem is. "It's all in a moment Look away and it's gone" How fast the time went in Oasis. "It's about time that your mind took a holiday You're all grown up Don't you ever wanna play?" I think it expresses a bit of the bemusement of Liam, a very full-on reckless man, to the attitude of the more well-considered and relatively cerebral Noel. Just saying that he thinks too much sometimes....and I think we can all agree that Noel sometimes over-thinks things latterly instead of going solely on gut since the days of BHN. Doesn't seem bitter though...it seems like something I would say to a friend that I think is taking life a bit to seriously. "Ahhh, you've had enough Of staring out of dead end eyes" "Dead end eyes" seems to me an allusion to the opinion that Noel couldn't see Oasis going anywhere further. That he was sick of the project and could take it anymore. Noel had said things about not knowing where to go with Oasis after DOYS for at least a year before the split. I wouldn't be surprised if the confines of what Oasis had become had become a bit chaffing on Noel...he gave glimpses of it especially in that last year. I am sure Liam was even more aware about Noel dissatifaction with Oasisn than any outsider...and we'll never know the contents of their fights "Ahhh, it's gonna be tough, The battle's on and your soul is the prize" A bit of a gauntlet thrown down...which I don't mind. The only part that is a bit confrontational...but kind of realistic. It will mean a lot for each of the brothers to make a impact on their separate projects. I am very much TEAM NOEL. But I think that if this is handled well it could be quite a good lyric from Liam...something good that means something deeper if you know the story behind it...like Talk Tonight. It's not as if Noel hasn't written a song with way more bile in it than this so far when he wrote Force of Nature. I enjoyed reading that. And I agree, so far the song seems to be pretty clever - and perhaps I was over analyzing (what? Me? Over analyze? Never! ;D ) the title of the track. But when doing something like this, Liam needs to be very careful. So far, he has been, and you're right - it's, so far at least, been done very well. Looking forward to continuing this analogy with the full version of the song. Should be interesting to say the least! |
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Post by NYR on Dec 21, 2010 1:38:38 GMT -5
However, gdforever said she didn't want it to be bitter. But it's hit me even more - it is bitter! A four letter word is obviously meant as a profanity (not that you need a link, but here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-letter_word ). it's obvious to me that this four letter word is love. reminds me of "the word" by the beatles. |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 21, 2010 2:02:16 GMT -5
However, gdforever said she didn't want it to be bitter. But it's hit me even more - it is bitter! A four letter word is obviously meant as a profanity (not that you need a link, but here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-letter_word ). it's obvious to me that this four letter word is love. reminds me of "the word" by the beatles. It could still be that. Too early to tell truly. I suppose the "It's all in a moment, look away and it's gone" could easily point to love...and "I don't know what I'm feeling, a four letter word will you guess my meaning" would fit very well too. But the lyrics about battles and dead end eyes seem less clear-cut. "Ahhh, you've had enough Of staring out of dead end eyes" I suppose that could point to someone being sick of looking around and being involved in relationships that are going nowhere (dead end relationships) "The battle's on and your soul is the prize" Maybe love is a struggle but it benefits your soul if you find it. On the other hand those interpretations seem to contradict the second stanza about your "Mind taking a holiday and going out to play." Which seems to be encouraging the subject of the song NOT to settle down but to just have fun...which I suppose could work if the subject were a bit buttoned up and needed to let their hair down to fall in love. Both interpretations would work, I suppose. I like the Noel one better...but that because there are more layers of meaning...and I like that. Good superficially but better if you know the story. |
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Post by uboasis on Dec 21, 2010 7:33:29 GMT -5
Wouldn't be surprised if it's about Noel especially because his hero (Lennon) did it to McCartney (although somehow Lennon claims the song is about himself and not McCarttney. Here's the video:
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Dec 21, 2010 9:09:57 GMT -5
Wouldn't be surprised if it's about Noel especially because his hero (Lennon) did it to McCartney (although somehow Lennon claims the song is about himself and not McCarttney. Here's the video: I never liked it that Lennon attacked McCartney like this ("The only thing you did was yesterday", stupid), and I hope FLW isn't about Noel. That would be a childish way to behave. Plus, since the split Liam was never hateful towards Noel - recently, all he said was "don't know, don't care"-type comments about him. |
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Post by Rita on Dec 21, 2010 9:12:56 GMT -5
I thought about it the first time I heard it... I also think Wind Up Dream is about the split.
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Post by putthisin ® on Dec 21, 2010 10:21:02 GMT -5
I wish Liam could read this thread. He would have a good laugh.
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Post by LlAM on Dec 21, 2010 10:55:21 GMT -5
 OMG OMG OMG I JSUT FOUND OUTZ NOELZ BORN INDA MORNING PERHAPS HEZ DA ""MORNING SON"" !?!?!?!?!?!??! |
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Dec 21, 2010 11:08:16 GMT -5
He actually CAN. Doubt he does though.  |
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Post by oasisfanboy on Dec 21, 2010 11:28:56 GMT -5
I disagree. I think music should be a reflection of experience. To my mind no change in LAG lives has equalled that of the impact of Noel leaving them. For them to write a song about it is absolutely normal. As long as it's well done and the lyrics are good I'm fine with it. I hope it's not bitter, clumsily handled, or extremely transparent. I'd like a song that means something. Besides I'd rather Liam throw down the gauntlet musically than in the press. It's time honored traditions amongst musicians to take pokes at the ex-bandmates that have scorned them. There's ways to do that, though. Look at what Noel came up with when he left the band in the 90s. He didn't mull over his feelings of hatred and write a directly indirect (to clear up the contradiction, read: try to appear being subtle while actually coming across as pretty obvious) commentary on other members. Rather, he used the negative experience and wrote songs such as Talk Tonight and Half the World Away. This is why Noel is a genius. Liam sings "Can you guess my meaning?", well, we can and just did. What makes Noel's writing more mature and better is that his songs are open to interpretation and aren't as blunt. Express your emotions in songs, sure, by all means. But to use it as an outlet to increase tension with your brother is just childish and petty. Again, nothing against the song itself - I just don't want it to exacerbate where Liam feels the need to manifest his dislike of Noel in his songs. We already have an album title targeted at the Oasis collapse, and now we have a song to go a long with it. Come on now. Then can you explain Lennon's "How Do You Sleep"? ;D |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 21, 2010 11:33:47 GMT -5
It's clearly about Noel, and I agree with gdforever's analysis.
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Post by putthisin ® on Dec 21, 2010 12:27:47 GMT -5
I think people want this song to be about Noel and are retrieving from the lyrics a meaning that clearly is not there.
I don't know what it is I'm feelin'
A four letter word will you guess my meaning?
It's about a feeling... Guess which?
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Post by putthisin ® on Dec 21, 2010 13:22:01 GMT -5
I think people want this song to be about Noel and are retrieving from the lyrics a meaning that clearly is not there.
I don't know what it is I'm feelin'
A four letter word will you guess my meaning?It's about a feeling... Guess which? Probably "Hate", considering the song's nasty vibe. But could be interpreted as a drug song, "High". I was thinking about Love, but close enough  |
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Dec 21, 2010 13:34:13 GMT -5
It's clearly about Noel, and I agree with gdforever's analysis. Fucking hell. You've heard 30 seconds of it, wait until you hear the full song. Its not "clearly about Noel" at all. It could possibly be about Noel, but it also could be about a lot of things. You're over analysing once again, putting 2+2 together and getting god knows what. |
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Post by deasy on Dec 21, 2010 13:49:54 GMT -5
This is one of the most ridiculous threads I have read on live4ever.
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Post by jaymc14 on Dec 21, 2010 13:53:59 GMT -5
I always thought that a four letter word refers to a curse word?? Or am I missing something? Explains a lot if it does... No idea where people are getting the word "love" from  |
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