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Post by mrjonboyd on Dec 26, 2010 5:52:21 GMT -5
Its nice that for once Liam's lyrics are keeping us guessing about what they mean. Instead of guessing if it wa his son who came up with them. How do we know it's Liam's lyrics? It doesn't sound like a Liam song to me at all It sounds like a heavy stereo song, wouldnt be surprised if Gem wrote it. I think people are reading way to much into the lyrics, its just another bunch of rhyming cliches strung together, nothing more nothing less. FLW refers to a swear word not noel. This aside though, its a right rollicking tune! |
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Post by anotherchancer on Dec 26, 2010 6:04:03 GMT -5
NOthing Ever Lasts forever
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Post by mrjonboyd on Dec 26, 2010 6:06:15 GMT -5
NOthing Ever Lasts forever Maybe its a Christmas song? nothing Ever Lasts Forever |
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Post by General Dread on Dec 26, 2010 6:13:49 GMT -5
NOthing Ever Lasts forever   |
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Post by Marcos on Dec 26, 2010 7:30:18 GMT -5
NOthing Ever Lasts forever apparently this was your first post and I say it's BRILLIANT! ;D |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 26, 2010 12:30:06 GMT -5
How do we know it's Liam's lyrics? It doesn't sound like a Liam song to me at all It sounds like a heavy stereo song, wouldnt be surprised if Gem wrote it. I think people are reading way to much into the lyrics, its just another bunch of rhyming cliches strung together, nothing more nothing less. FLW refers to a swear word not noel. This aside though, its a right rollicking tune! Plebeian! How the hell do you interpret to words to refer to a swear word? They don't make sense @ all then... |
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Dec 26, 2010 12:38:03 GMT -5
^ He's not, he's just going on the fact he's heard "four letter word" used interchangeably with "swear word". Whether that's the way Liam & Co. intended it, nobody knows.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 26, 2010 13:04:32 GMT -5
It's so clearly about Noel. I defy anyone to analyze it in any other way. Simply saying "It's not about Noel, it's about 'x'" isn't good enough. Support your answer. Gdforever already did a great job interpreting the beginning about Noel, and that theme has continued - being driven home with the line "Nothing ever lasts forever"
It's about Noel. No doubt.
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Post by mrjonboyd on Dec 26, 2010 14:33:26 GMT -5
It sounds like a heavy stereo song, wouldnt be surprised if Gem wrote it. I think people are reading way to much into the lyrics, its just another bunch of rhyming cliches strung together, nothing more nothing less. FLW refers to a swear word not noel. This aside though, its a right rollicking tune! Plebeian! How the hell do you interpret to words to refer to a swear word? They don't make sense @ all then... Ooh an insult. clever. "I don't know what it is I'm feelin' A four letter word will you guess my meaning?" He's alluding to the fact he feels disgruntled and might just be using a four letter word (common parlance for swearing) to describe that. Noel describes nothing. |
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Post by mrjonboyd on Dec 26, 2010 14:42:13 GMT -5
It's so clearly about Noel. I defy anyone to analyze it in any other way. Simply saying "It's not about Noel, it's about 'x'" isn't good enough. Support your answer. Gdforever already did a great job interpreting the beginning about Noel, and that theme has continued - being driven home with the line "Nothing ever lasts forever" It's about Noel. No doubt. No doubt, none at all? You clearly wrote it then. Im referring to the fact the four letter word in the song in my opinion is not Noel. The song itself may be directed at Noel but the four letter word , to my mind, is not 'Noel' rather its a swear word (FLW is commonly held to mean a swear word). Im also saying Nothing Ever Lasts Forever is not NOEL spelt cleverly, like i said you could just get ELF if you wanted to, i think thats overinterpretive in the extreme. |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 26, 2010 15:11:39 GMT -5
^ He's not, he's just going on the fact he's heard "four letter word" used interchangeably with "swear word". Whether that's the way Liam & Co. intended it, nobody knows. Exactly. I know what people usually mean by four-letter word. They probably do know. It's might be a play on the term. Looking @ a title and saying that it is obviously not about a swear word is being deliberately obtuse. Other than the title NOTHING points at the song being about swearing! If he is going to be incorrigibly vulgar I am gonna call him a plebeian. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 26, 2010 15:16:08 GMT -5
It's so clearly about Noel. I defy anyone to analyze it in any other way. Simply saying "It's not about Noel, it's about 'x'" isn't good enough. Support your answer. Gdforever already did a great job interpreting the beginning about Noel, and that theme has continued - being driven home with the line "Nothing ever lasts forever" It's about Noel. No doubt. No doubt, none at all? You clearly wrote it then. Im referring to the fact the four letter word in the song in my opinion is not Noel. The song itself may be directed at Noel but the four letter word , to my mind, is not 'Noel' rather its a swear word (FLW is commonly held to mean a swear word). Im also saying Nothing Ever Lasts Forever is not NOEL spelt cleverly, like i said you could just get ELF if you wanted to, i think thats overinterpretive in the extreme. Oh, I agree with you there. The four letter word is open to interpretation - is it Noel? is it a swear word to showcase Liam's feeling of annoyance at his brother? is it 'Love', wishing Noel didn't walk away? Or is he equating Noel with a four letter (ie swear) word? The jury is out on that. However, the song itself is most certainly about Noel and his departure. I'm against the overall idea of it, but it was done tactfully, and for that I appreciate it. I just hope Liam doesn't continue to attack Noel in his songs, and if he does it better be as vague as possible. As for who wrote it? Musically, it may have been collaborative, but the theme of the lyrical content has Liam written all over it. No way would Gem or Andy write direct a song at Noel like this. Also, the NOthing Ever Last Forever as a very astute observation. However, I'm going to bill that as a coincidence until proven otherwise. If it was done on purpose, the double entendre is pretty clever. Suffice it to say, it's a pretty solid piece of work. |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 26, 2010 15:26:39 GMT -5
Plebeian! How the hell do you interpret to words to refer to a swear word? They don't make sense @ all then... Ooh an insult. clever. "I don't know what it is I'm feelin' A four letter word will you guess my meaning?" He's alluding to the fact he feels disgruntled and might just be using a four letter word (common parlance for swearing) to describe that. Noel describes nothing. And the other 9/10ths of the song? Your interpretation is really weak even if your lyrics are right. But I don't think they are. So basically what he is feeling is either fuck or shit? That doesn't make any sense. If it is "four letter word really gets my meaning" or "four letter word will he get my meaning", which are two other possible meaning Noel does make sense. More sense than "random swear word" is what I am feeling. Even Mr. Mono who originally wrote the lyrics you are using isn't confident about it now after listening to the whole song. |
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Post by mrjonboyd on Dec 26, 2010 15:57:38 GMT -5
^ He's not, he's just going on the fact he's heard "four letter word" used interchangeably with "swear word". Whether that's the way Liam & Co. intended it, nobody knows. Exactly. I know what people usually mean by four-letter word. They probably do know. It's might be a play on the term. Looking @ a title and saying that it is obviously not about a swear word is being deliberately obtuse. Other than the title NOTHING points at the song being about swearing! If he is going to be incorrigibly vulgar I am gonna call him a plebeian. Youre great. You seem to be missing the point , im not saying the song is about swearing, im saying the 'four letter word' part refers to a swear word, not 'Noel'. To clarify again IM NOT SAYING THE SONG IS ABOUT SWEARING. Im merely denouncing the notion that the four letter word in question is Noel. |
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Dec 26, 2010 16:04:09 GMT -5
the last 10 or so posts is why i hardly frequent this section. it's all pointless arguing.
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Post by mrjonboyd on Dec 26, 2010 16:09:42 GMT -5
[quote author=mrjonboyd board=factsandfictionbe thread=64050 post=809726 And the other 9/10ths of the song? Your interpretation is really weak even if your lyrics are right. But I don't think they are. So basically what he is feeling is either fuck or shit? That doesn't make any sense. If it is "four letter word really gets my meaning" or "four letter word will he get my meaning", which are two other possible meaning Noel does make sense. More sense than "random swear word" is what I am feeling. Even Mr. Mono who originally wrote the lyrics you are using isn't confident about it now after listening to the whole song.[/quote] I feel differently. Could be vagina, could be pleb, could be anything. Noel doesnt scan. 'Four letter word will he get my meaning noel'. Makes even less sense. Insert vagina for example and it does become meaningful and dismissive. FLW is just a more poetic way of getting the point across. Anyway we could tie ourselves up in knots over this, it just aint worth it. Fact is its a belter of a tune, and im happy with that. Liams lyrical prowess is not my abiding reason for being into the music. |
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Post by mrjonboyd on Dec 26, 2010 16:12:18 GMT -5
the last 10 or so posts is why i hardly frequent this section. it's all pointless arguing. Which is a point ive just made myself. Couldnt agree more, im not gonna lose any sleep if the word is lamp, post or fork, im still gonna be on the tune. |
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Post by LlAM on Dec 26, 2010 16:19:43 GMT -5
I love how they've used Noels trademark wahs in the outro ;D
A very subtle poke..... ;D ;D
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Post by redlandsman87 on Dec 26, 2010 16:29:47 GMT -5
Could just be a cheap shot at Live Forever, a complete reversal of ideology from one brother to another in a time of jealousy and turmoil over each other's daunting roles in one another s lives. Noel had his time in the sun, his grand third single and one of the most celebrated Oasis songs lay in the notes of Live Forever, but now that time has passed and Oasis did not "live forever", more appropriately got smash into little pieces. Now it's Liam time to shine, by reminding the world that hey, while somethings may not live forever that doesn't mean something new can't be born thus forming Beady Eye and finally being on his own and tossing his own songs out into the world away from the weight and responsibility of Oasis. All whilst recommending to Noel to stay mum and think about what he's done by taking a long term holiday. (Which Noel is very successfully doing.)
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 26, 2010 16:47:00 GMT -5
the last 10 or so posts is why i hardly frequent this section. it's all pointless arguing. No. It's what makes this forum great. If everything was set in stone and so crystal clear (to use cliche phrases) what would be the point of discussion forums? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 26, 2010 17:04:22 GMT -5
I'm going to settle this - and give credit to gdforever for the early observations. It's about Noel and his departure
Sleep walk away your life if that turns you on
It's all in the moment
Look away and its gone
^ Sleep walk your life seems to mean to do something automatic. Oasis became automatic in recent times. But the take away line here is "It's all in the moment, look away and it's gone." - Oasis was smooth sailing in 2005, best time for the band in the 2000s, bar none. But one incident, one small little bust up and everything they had worked for is gone. Oasis is no more.
It's about time that that your mind took a holiday
You're all grown up
Dont you ever wanna play
^ Clearly about Noel. Noel wanted a 5 year break, which is backed up by the "take a holiday" line. And - I truly give so much credit for gdforever here - Noel has matured, but perhaps too much. Liam wants the lightheartendness, still. Where's the Digsy Dinner? Where's the She's Electric? Where's the Bonehead Bank Holiday? Where's the banter at the end of certain tracks (like the latter one and Cum on Feel the Noize)? Where' the smiling on stage?...Perhaps Liam has a point - it's one thing to be professional musicians, but perhaps Noel is now taking it and himself too seriously? Lighten up, is the message from Liam here.
Ahhh you've had enough
Of staring out of dead end eyes
Ahhh its gonna be tough
The battles on and your soul is the prize
I dunno what it is im feeling
A four letter word will you guess my meaning
^ Again, massive props to gdforever for this one - Dead End Eyes: Noel said Oasis reached their end product. He said Oasis were working their way to DOYS and DOYS was the finale. I agree with gdforever's analysis. Noel believed (or wanted to believe) that Oasis reached it's end - hence 'dead end eyes'. Liam disagrees.
The next line is even more clear. Liam throws down the gauntlet. The battle is the competition between bands/albums, while the soul - the pride, if you will - is the prize.
Nothing ever lasts forever!
^ Pretty clear - Oasis, the band, can't last forever. It had to end sometime.
Dead on your feet were going out off our minds
The wheels need to roll
The clock on the wall said it's time (?)
Call it luck
Call it whatever you please
It's not what you wanted
It might be just what you need
^Not as easy to interpret. Perhaps Liam is saying that the music needs to continue, but the time may have been right for Oasis to end (if Noel's heart wasn't in it?). Perhaps it was lucky that they came to an end now then continue becoming a parody of themselves, and perhaps being freed of being shackled to the Oasis brand will help both parties - it was needed?
Ahhh you've had enough
It feels like you've blown a 50 amp fuse (?)
Ahhh its gonna be tough
The more you have
The more you can lose
I dunno what it is im feeling
A four letter word will you guess my meaning
^Blowing a 50 amp fuse is seemingly disastrous, and Liam is stating that Noel made a mistake. But he admits, being apart is going to be tough, but does lecture Noel that he had so much that he will eventually regret his decision because he threw it all away (thank you DLBIA).
Nothing ever lasts forever!
^See above
Ahhh you've had enough
Of staring out of dead end eyes
Ahhh its gonna be tough
The battles on and your soul is the prize
I dunno what it is im feeling
A four letter word will you guess my meaning
Nothing ever lasts forever!
^ See above
Over analyzing can become a problem, yes. But it would be way too coincidental here. This is about Noel, it's so obvious. And cheers to gdforever for the early analysis that set this interpretation in motion.
(PS, Let It Bleed: I choose Play Doh)
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Post by LlAM on Dec 26, 2010 17:15:30 GMT -5
Oh dear me.....
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 26, 2010 17:28:07 GMT -5
Happy's back. |
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Dec 26, 2010 17:37:40 GMT -5
I' (PS, Let It Bleed: I choose Play Doh) you should've chose drugs. help calm your ass down. the song's vague, it could be about anyone. |
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Post by bradhorse on Dec 26, 2010 17:38:13 GMT -5
nl4eHahaha, you're going to 'settle this'? I love the way you thank gdforever and give her credit for being right as you've now decided what the correct meaning is and therefore discussion over. Are you for real? You've analysed lyrics probably written by Liam Gallgher, by all accounts a very stupid man, and you're looking for hidden meanings and metaphorical suggestions in his work? Liam writes things that fit in the abc123 style that he writes in and rhyme with each other... if he can get some of them to fit together then it's a bonus frankly. Just because you're analysing the lyrics like you would for an English paper does not mean they deserve to be analysed like that... He's frankly just not intelligent enough. Just for the record I personally think the song's about Noel... I think to suggest otherwise would require a heap of proof that nobody can provide, I just don't think we should read too much into the lyrics... they're just not of high enough quality
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