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Post by carlober on Sept 2, 2024 9:27:21 GMT -5
At this point, it is likely that the strategy is just to keep quiet, hoping that in a year's time people will forget about this fraud
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Post by monkian on Sept 2, 2024 9:40:52 GMT -5
The reason folks are pissed off in the queueing system that happened folks waited hours then either got to rip off prices or kicked out but by that time the gigs had already sold out other Heston park , why people stood in the que knowing that in a 90,000 venue there was 200,000 infront of them for one date is beyond me … Can only speak for myself - guessing plenty others did the same though. I joined the queue for two Heaton Park gigs at exactly the same time (approx 9:07 after frantically refreshing to get in the queue after Ticketmaster rudely decided I wasn't worthy of even a place in the lobby at 8:30 due to "being a bot"). There we approx 97,000 in front of me in both queues. But I figured that quite a lot of those 97,000 people were like me and also in queues for other gigs too, probably also with mates in this queue and other queues. So really the likelihood of every one of those 97,000 people buying even one ticket each, was probably minimal. And with my previous experience of the TM queueing system, I knew that as soon as people had a ticket or if it sold out, the queue pretty rapidly diminishes. But that didn't happen. The queue was slower than snail's pace. That along with the fact that there was no official word on whether any of the shows had sold out gave me hope that somehow being in the queue was worth it. And do you know what? It was. Because I did get a ticket in the end. Granted, it was an "in demand" ticket. But let's put things into perspective... a) If all the prices stayed at £148.50, I would not be going - it would have sold out long before I got to the front of the queue. So thanks to all of you who wouldn't pay it. Cos I'm properly excited...even though I'm skint AF and feel dirty for playing along with Ticketmaster's games. b) I wouldn't have batted an eyelid paying £300 for me AND the Mrs. But when I got the front of the queue at 14:10, the only tickets they had were £355. She told me in no uncertain terms while the clock ticked to reserve tickets, that I should pay the money and that she'd happily not go if it meant I got to see Oasis again. I don't think she could have coped with me moping about for the next 10 months. That, my friends, is teamwork. c) I paid over £500 in tickets, travel and accommodation for me and the wife to see Taylor Swift in Edinburgh in June. Likewise I spent £200 quid on seeing Foo Fighters for the umpteenth time at the same venue as I've seen them twice before. Taylor Swift was great, Foos were average. But this is Oasis - the band I've worshipped for 2/3 of my life - seeing them again is priceless to me. And because I'm seeing them virtually on my doorstep, there are no extra costs to suck up. If I'd have got face value Wembley tickets instead (it was an option), my house would probably have to go on the market because of the hotel/train fares involved. d) Because I'm going on my own I can be as close to the front as I like without having to worry about finding my friends, waiting for people to go to the loo etc. I can truly take myself back to 1996 and be in my own bubble for the day. It's going to be a once in a lifetime opportunity. e) After that Foos gig I said that I may retire from stadium gigs forever. Not only were they expensive, but they'd run their course as there was no acts in the world that I could see being stadium size that I'd ever need to see again. But then of course two months later here were are. THE boys are back. So on 19th July it will probably be my last ever massive gig. What a way to sign off it's going to be. So yeah, the pricing model is shit and I'm pretty sure Liam at least didn't actively approve it as his gigs have never gone down that road, despite being highly sought after. Did Noel have a hand in it? Maybe. But he holds all the cards anyway doesn't he as the reunion wouldn't be happening without him. What I wish for is for people to stop talking about it all now. I haven't had the chance to get properly excited yet because the only thing people are talking about is the ticket fiasco. I just want to sit back and think "fuck me, I'm going to see Oasis again" without the niggling thoughts about how much it's cost me and whether it's morally right for TM to do what they did.
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Post by vespa on Sept 2, 2024 9:58:36 GMT -5
They should’ve planned the lines and ticket approach better , how they underestimated the demand is beyond.. but I suppose there’s no easy way of doing it , but they should update ticket systems so that you can buy best available at any venue something of the kind and it throws offers up. The demand was always going to be there. They are more popular now than when they split
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Post by Sadie on Sept 2, 2024 10:00:53 GMT -5
The reason folks are pissed off in the queueing system that happened folks waited hours then either got to rip off prices or kicked out but by that time the gigs had already sold out other Heston park , why people stood in the que knowing that in a 90,000 venue there was 200,000 infront of them for one date is beyond me … Can only speak for myself - guessing plenty others did the same though. I joined the queue for two Heaton Park gigs at exactly the same time (approx 9:07 after frantically refreshing to get in the queue after Ticketmaster rudely decided I wasn't worthy of even a place in the lobby at 8:30 due to "being a bot"). There we approx 97,000 in front of me in both queues. But I figured that quite a lot of those 97,000 people were like me and also in queues for other gigs too, probably also with mates in this queue and other queues. So really the likelihood of every one of those 97,000 people buying even one ticket each, was probably minimal. And with my previous experience of the TM queueing system, I knew that as soon as people had a ticket or if it sold out, the queue pretty rapidly diminishes. But that didn't happen. The queue was slower than snail's pace. That along with the fact that there was no official word on whether any of the shows had sold out gave me hope that somehow being in the queue was worth it. And do you know what? It was. Because I did get a ticket in the end. Granted, it was an "in demand" ticket. But let's put things into perspective... a) If all the prices stayed at £148.50, I would not be going - it would have sold out long before I got to the front of the queue. So thanks to all of you who wouldn't pay it. Cos I'm properly excited...even though I'm skint AF and feel dirty for playing along with Ticketmaster's games. b) I wouldn't have batted an eyelid paying £300 for me AND the Mrs. But when I got the front of the queue at 14:10, the only tickets they had were £355. She told me in no uncertain terms while the clock ticked to reserve tickets, that I should pay the money and that she'd happily not go if it meant I got to see Oasis again. I don't think she could have coped with me moping about for the next 10 months. That, my friends, is teamwork. c) I paid over £500 in tickets, travel and accommodation for me and the wife to see Taylor Swift in Edinburgh in June. Likewise I spent £200 quid on seeing Foo Fighters for the umpteenth time at the same venue as I've seen them twice before. Taylor Swift was great, Foos were average. But this is Oasis - the band I've worshipped for 2/3 of my life - seeing them again is priceless to me. And because I'm seeing them virtually on my doorstep, there are no extra costs to suck up. If I'd have got face value Wembley tickets instead (it was an option), my house would probably have to go on the market because of the hotel/train fares involved. d) Because I'm going on my own I can be as close to the front as I like without having to worry about finding my friends, waiting for people to go to the loo etc. I can truly take myself back to 1996 and be in my own bubble for the day. It's going to be a once in a lifetime opportunity. e) After that Foos gig I said that I may retire from stadium gigs forever. Not only were they expensive, but they'd run their course as there was no acts in the world that I could see being stadium size that I'd ever need to see again. But then of course two months later here were are. THE boys are back. So on 19th July it will probably be my last ever massive gig. What a way to sign off it's going to be. So yeah, the pricing model is shit and I'm pretty sure Liam at least didn't actively approve it as his gigs have never gone down that road, despite being highly sought after. Did Noel have a hand in it? Maybe. But he holds all the cards anyway doesn't he as the reunion wouldn't be happening without him. What I wish for is for people to stop talking about it all now. I haven't had the chance to get properly excited yet because the only thing people are talking about is the ticket fiasco. I just want to sit back and think "fuck me, I'm going to see Oasis again" without the niggling thoughts about how much it's cost me and whether it's morally right for TM to do what they did. I kinda feel the same as you, I haven't really allowed myself to be excited all that much yet! Congrats on getting a ticket
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Post by Elias on Sept 2, 2024 10:18:49 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if there's any kind of statement even if they wanted to respond. The tour sold out so all they can say really from a PR point of view is that they'll 'review' their pricing policy in the future, but that would allude to more UK touring beyond summer 2025 which they won't want to do yet. If they add new dates on the same tour there's no way they could charge anything different, that would just create a whole new issue for people who've just spent all that money on the original shows.
There's no damage limitation to be done for this tour, it's over. Two minutes back and already a huge own goal by their management.
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Post by Four 🍁 Tayback on Sept 2, 2024 10:23:34 GMT -5
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Post by icebreath on Sept 2, 2024 11:19:08 GMT -5
At this point, it is likely that the strategy is just to keep quiet, hoping that in a year's time people will forget about this fraud They should at least give all the perks that premium packages had to people that bought "In Demand" and "Platinum" tickets. It's literally fraud to pay 160 quid more for a standard standing ticket than a premium standing and you don't get the perks either. This should be easy to arrange for the management. If they don't anything similar in that front, then Oasis management has definitely screwed up.
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Post by glider on Sept 2, 2024 11:26:56 GMT -5
At this point, it is likely that the strategy is just to keep quiet, hoping that in a year's time people will forget about this fraud
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Post by andymorris on Sept 2, 2024 11:33:51 GMT -5
Oasis, or any band, don't owe you our the fans anything. This is their JOB, they make music. If you like it great, if don't, great. Musicians don't make music "for the fans." Some extreme naiveté in these threads. Missing the point completely but ok With arguments like that they can charge 10k a ticket And you ll be ok with it. Hell Even 100k why not! Thats just stupid if you ask me. An artist should always have a moral point of view on things, especially oasis because they sent some messages in the beignning. We dont ask anything about music what should or should not be played.
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Post by ajito on Sept 2, 2024 11:55:27 GMT -5
What seems very strange to me is that they have not added extra dates in Manchester or Wembley. The "gaps" in the calendar are strange.
There must be some kind of problem that we don't know about.
Last year, when the tickets for LG30DM came out, if I remember correctly, they were sold out, but they added the new dates, the same day.
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 2, 2024 11:58:58 GMT -5
At this point, it is likely that the strategy is just to keep quiet, hoping that in a year's time people will forget about this fraud They should at least give all the perks that premium packages had to people that bought "In Demand" and "Platinum" tickets. It's literally fraud to pay 160 quid more for a standard standing ticket than a premium standing and you don't get the perks either. This should be easy to arrange for the management. If they don't anything similar in that front, then Oasis management has definitely screwed up. Yeah, perks for those who paid inflated amounts with a committment to fixed pricing from now would be the best step. Whether it's merch, signed goods, copies of the DM30 thing, whatever - something extra for those fans. With a few non-corporate tweets from Liam to apologise, it could even work out in their favour as being seen as the band who brought it to national attention and publicly moved past it. But do something! C'mon, you know!
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Post by vespa on Sept 2, 2024 12:01:44 GMT -5
Why are you talking like Liam set the prices ?? He didn’t neither did Noel .. tours are setting up booking agents and ticket sales ..
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Post by Sadie on Sept 2, 2024 12:01:44 GMT -5
What seems very strange to me is that they have not added extra dates in Manchester or Wembley. The "gaps" in the calendar are strange. There must be some kind of problem that we don't know about. Last year, when the tickets for LG30DM came out, if I remember correctly, they were sold out, but they added the new dates, the same day. I saw something on Facebook about new dates being announced in the coming week (don't take it as gospel though) and I know the mirror were reporting that things are being considered to rectify all this. Let's see what happens
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Post by Jgrp on Sept 2, 2024 12:15:48 GMT -5
No new dates as they want to make as much money from as little work as possible, perhaps?
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Post by Supersonic on Sept 2, 2024 12:17:21 GMT -5
No new dates as they want to make as much money from as little work as possible, perhaps? Just wait and see...
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Post by andymorris on Sept 2, 2024 12:18:11 GMT -5
Why are you talking like Liam set the prices ?? He didn’t neither did Noel .. tours are setting up booking agents and ticket sales .. After promoter cut, production cost, artist share. All of these are negotiated before the last stage (tickets sale), and they know beforehand how much tickets are gonna cost, roughly at least. That's not saying they "set" the price, but of course they know, especially Noel, who is the key factor in the reunion. At this stage in their career, believe me, they know. Dont be ridiculous.
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Post by Sadie on Sept 2, 2024 12:23:57 GMT -5
Why are you talking like Liam set the prices ?? He didn’t neither did Noel .. tours are setting up booking agents and ticket sales .. After promoter cut, production cost, artist share. All of these are negotiated before the last stage (tickets sale), and they know beforehand how much tickets are gonna cost, roughly at least. That's not saying they "set" the price, but of course they know, especially Noel, who is the key factor in the reunion. At this stage in their career, believe me, they know. Dont be ridiculous. Liam and Noel's solo gigs have never gone down the dynamic pricing road as far as I'm aware, even when they were trying to sell Knebworth tickets, so this screams of Ignition being the dickheads that they are
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Post by andymorris on Sept 2, 2024 12:28:29 GMT -5
After promoter cut, production cost, artist share. All of these are negotiated before the last stage (tickets sale), and they know beforehand how much tickets are gonna cost, roughly at least. That's not saying they "set" the price, but of course they know, especially Noel, who is the key factor in the reunion. At this stage in their career, believe me, they know. Dont be ridiculous. Liam and Noel's solo gigs have never gone down the dynamic pricing road as far as I'm aware, even when they were trying to sell Knebworth tickets, so this screams of Ignition being the dickheads that they are I dont believe one second, Noel, who has the same manager ( dad) since 94 was not aware of this. Its his band, he's a control freak: its registered to his name and Liam, of course he know, knew, and greenlighted it to some extent. and needs to sign every paper attached to Oasis, be it music, publishing or live events. Or he did not understand what it is.
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Post by Sadie on Sept 2, 2024 12:31:51 GMT -5
Liam and Noel's solo gigs have never gone down the dynamic pricing road as far as I'm aware, even when they were trying to sell Knebworth tickets, so this screams of Ignition being the dickheads that they are I dont believe one second, Noel, who has the same manager ( dad) since 94 was not aware of this. Its his band, its registered to his name and Liam, of course he know, knew, and greenlighted it to some extent. and needs to sign every paper attached to Oasis, be it music, publishing or live events. Or he did not understand what it is. I'm not saying he wasn't aware of it, I'm just saying I don't think for a minute that he was the one who actually agreed to this happening. I believe it was Marcus Russell who actually made the decision
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Post by andymorris on Sept 2, 2024 12:34:00 GMT -5
I dont believe one second, Noel, who has the same manager ( dad) since 94 was not aware of this. Its his band, its registered to his name and Liam, of course he know, knew, and greenlighted it to some extent. and needs to sign every paper attached to Oasis, be it music, publishing or live events. Or he did not understand what it is. I'm not saying he wasn't aware of it, I'm just saying I don't think for a minute that he was the one who actually agreed to this happening. I believe it was Marcus Russell who actually made the decision Well Marcus russell has a way of convincing Noel for sure. Remember the AA fiasco, Its him who convinced him to record a more "conventionnal" record. Maybe he was a bit manipulated, being weak after his divorce... anything is possible, we'll see the consequences in the coming month, if any...
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Post by epiphoney on Sept 2, 2024 12:42:04 GMT -5
Twickets reducing charges on Oasis tickets and now come with the following warning.
Ticketmaster In Demand (Platinum) / AXS Premium - These are standard tickets sold at varying prices by the original retailer, which may be much greater than other similar tickets. They are ticket only purchases, and do not include any additional elements such as hospitality, merchandise or priority entry.
Not sure the Oasis management or Ticketmaster will thank them for it.
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Post by AppleScruff on Sept 2, 2024 14:04:31 GMT -5
Whilst I don’t agree with the dynamic tickets - it’s not fraud. People selected tickets at those prices, nobody forced them to buy.
I do think this mess may discourage Oasis from scheduling any more UK dates. If they do and they cancel the dynamic pricing, they’ll be admitting that people have been ripped off in the original sale. If they keep the same price structure… they’ll rightly get slated and Liam/Noel lose the “hey I didn’t know anything about it” defence
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 2, 2024 14:09:13 GMT -5
Oasis, or any band, don't owe you our the fans anything. This is their JOB, they make music. If you like it great, if don't, great. Musicians don't make music "for the fans." Some extreme naiveté in these threads. Haven't read many Noel Gallagher interviews have you. Having a problem with dynamic ticket pricing or the starting price itself has nothing to do with anything you wrote
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Post by vespa on Sept 2, 2024 14:10:13 GMT -5
There’s no doubt more uk dates will be released but they will be thinking up ideas on how to resolve it and how many, there were initially 10 days booked at each venue . I think they thought demand would be high but not 14 million applicants that’s more than knebworth ..it was unprecedented demand .. they have nothing to do with them prices I guarantee it . That is purely a booking agent on the day taking the piss
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 2, 2024 14:10:53 GMT -5
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