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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 2, 2024 6:48:42 GMT -5
no fantasy really, just pure facts and observation. i did not expect low prices; i choose not to buy them in the pre sale; I'm saying, they could have, it would have been smart . Its a band that always had relatively good priced tickets; never over the top. this is now over. that's it. the web is currently being flooded with articles about unhappy fans and broken system. the Oasis name is now attached to it, its a major mistake. just like napster and metallica; Do you remember that one time where Oasis donated to charity or asked you to give ? Well me neither. There is no hypocrisy in all of this, they are who they are and if they put a big reunion tour it is to become filthy rich. Who cares ? It’s not like Noel will start the gig by asking the audience to think about starving children. Well they've done a reasonable amount for charitable organisations over the years. I don't think anyone is expecting them to sell them for a tenner. It just could of and should of been more reasonably priced.
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Post by meeks on Sept 2, 2024 7:08:14 GMT -5
Let's be honest folks.
- Reunion rumours go rife - Reunion tour announced with photos from one photoshoot, where let's face it they didn't exactly look happy to be there despite what a "source" said - Silence from Noel/Liam (either a strategy or phones taken off them) - Ticket prices (face value expensive - then the dynamic pricing scam) - Hotels rinsing people
Early days yet but it's very much looking more and more like a cash grab, but it does leave a sour taste so far. I am lucky in that I got tickets at face value in the pre-sale for my venue and date of choosing but even I can see how much of a joke this is. Dynamic prices and fans being ripped off for gigs has always happened - however I've not seen a reaction on this scale before, maybe Taylor Swift if anything. The government need to step in, create some regulations and laws and effectively stop scalpers, touts and the greedy, corporate rich robbing money off the less wealthy.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 2, 2024 7:24:17 GMT -5
no fantasy really, just pure facts and observation. i did not expect low prices; i choose not to buy them in the pre sale; I'm saying, they could have, it would have been smart . Its a band that always had relatively good priced tickets; never over the top. this is now over. that's it. the web is currently being flooded with articles about unhappy fans and broken system. the Oasis name is now attached to it, its a major mistake. just like napster and metallica; Do you remember that one time where Oasis donated to charity or asked you to give ? Well me neither. There is no hypocrisy in all of this, they are who they are and if they put a big reunion tour it is to become filthy rich. Who cares ? It’s not like Noel will start the gig by asking the audience to think about starving children. no, they were never really vocal about that, rarely spoken about it. i'm not saying there is any hypocrisy, the price were advertised. but there was a time when with no words, they kept ticket prices at reasonable price, probably willingly; for instance in the 00s, when Macca had huge prices, in comparison, Oasis was a bargain. here is the few i could find coz now the topic is overflooded by new articles about the scandal; Noel in 2015 about secondary market below, and ticket prices in general. What the industry is doing now is trying to kill the resale market and keep that second margin market for themselves, right in front of you; www.oasismania.co.uk/noel-gallagher-about-ticket-prices-im-with-elton-john/"Rock star Noel Gallagher has called on the government to “sort out” the secondary ticketing market and he said he support Elton John regarding ticket prices.He was speaking after Sir Elton John said he would “rather have empty seats” at a venue then see fans pay “extortionate” prices on sites that promise access to sold out shows: “I’m with Elton,” Gallagher told BBC Radio 5 live. “People shouldn’t really pay over the odds, but they do. You get forged tickets on those things as well. It’s a terrible thing.”Noel then added that as long as the re-sale of concert tickets was legal, “it’s going to carry on. You need the government to sort it out.”Last month, the government welcomed comments on secondary ticketing as part of a review of the market. Among the artists to get involved were Coldplay, Radiohead and Blur, as well as the managers of One Direction and Ed Sheeran, who signed a joint letter campaigning against “the increasing industrial-scale abuse and insider exploitation of tickets for music, arts and sports events by ticket touts, and their online associates and facilitators. Tens of thousands of fans have been ripped off by people who exploit fair ticket prices via so-called ticket marketplaces,” the letter added. then Liam in 2017 www.nme.com/news/music/liam-mocks-noel-gallagher-offering-fans-enhanced-experienced-2146697Liam tweet : "350 dollars to go and see rkid in USA what a vagina when will it all stop as you were LG x" "Liam Gallagher has again hit out at his brother Noel‘s ticket prices – as well as offering fans to buy an ‘enhanced experience’. Last week, former Oasis guitarist Noel recently announced a series of North American tour dates scheduled for February and March 2018 – with prices ranging from around $40 (£33) to over $300 (£250) for an “Enhanced Experience” VIP package. Liam then hit back at Noel, calling him a ‘c**t’ for the price tag, and also inviting him to support him on his own upcoming tour." “I won’t be charging that man, I dunno what we’re charging but we’re not charging that.” 9 year and 7 years later, oasis joined the dark side being the scammers and asking over the odds prices to their show; Blur did not (yet) the estimate for these shows is 50 millions for both gallaghers brothers, its roughly what noel was worth before the divorce. Is it ok ? business aside. he's gonna make in a dozen shows a third what he made in his career; Is it still ok ? Couldn't they settle for jjuuuuust a bit less ?
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 2, 2024 7:33:05 GMT -5
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that it was management who handled all these contracts and not the brothers. There's no chance they're unaware of it, now, though, and so the ball is in their court to do something about it.
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Post by MadCyril78 on Sept 2, 2024 7:34:54 GMT -5
Firs time poster. Still distraught at not bagging tickets. 5hrs at it. Had them in the basket only to have it crash on me and send me to the back of a queue of about 200k
Hoping New York or LA gets announced to i can have a crack at that
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Sept 2, 2024 7:40:36 GMT -5
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that it was management who handled all these contracts and not the brothers. There's no chance they're unaware of it, now, though, and so the ball is in their court to do something about it. I strongly suspect the reason for such an extended silence is that behind the scenes management are scrambling trying to sort it all out. They won’t want to say a word until they know they’ve found the right way to go about it.
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Sept 2, 2024 7:41:09 GMT -5
Twickets is totally out of services. We can be sure all bots are on the platform to take the resale tickets. The problem is it is impossible to wait months for tickets if we have to find a plane and a hotel. I think I will just give up and let this mascarade At this point few people will be reselling. Once they announce a full World Tour that should change, though. They certainly didn't need to do this dynamic pricing thing but I get it, that's just how things work nowadays. They could have put £300+ from the beginning and this would have still sold out as quickly as it did. The most frustrating thing for me is that, after all those years, there's still no good way of stopping touts. No matter what they say, it'll be nearly impossible for them to cancel tickets being resold through StubHub or Viagogo. BTW, P1, which is an official international ticket seller for many UK football clubs (I once bought Arsenal tickets from them) will also be selling tickets for those gigs soon. The price listed on their website? Starting at €1927 hahaha now that's a joke.
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Post by racingman11 on Sept 2, 2024 7:43:06 GMT -5
Do you remember that one time where Oasis donated to charity or asked you to give ? Well me neither. There is no hypocrisy in all of this, they are who they are and if they put a big reunion tour it is to become filthy rich. Who cares ? It’s not like Noel will start the gig by asking the audience to think about starving children. no, they were never really vocal about that, rarely spoken about it. i'm not saying there is any hypocrisy, the price were advertised. but there was a time when with no words, they kept ticket prices at reasonable price, probably willingly; for instance in the 00s, when Macca had huge prices, in comparison, Oasis was a bargain. here is the few i could find coz now the topic is overflooded by new articles about the scandal; Noel in 2015 about secondary market below, and ticket prices in general. What the industry is doing now is trying to kill the resale market and keep that second margin market for themselves, right in front of you; www.oasismania.co.uk/noel-gallagher-about-ticket-prices-im-with-elton-john/"Rock star Noel Gallagher has called on the government to “sort out” the secondary ticketing market and he said he support Elton John regarding ticket prices.He was speaking after Sir Elton John said he would “rather have empty seats” at a venue then see fans pay “extortionate” prices on sites that promise access to sold out shows: “I’m with Elton,” Gallagher told BBC Radio 5 live. “People shouldn’t really pay over the odds, but they do. You get forged tickets on those things as well. It’s a terrible thing.”Noel then added that as long as the re-sale of concert tickets was legal, “it’s going to carry on. You need the government to sort it out.”Last month, the government welcomed comments on secondary ticketing as part of a review of the market. Among the artists to get involved were Coldplay, Radiohead and Blur, as well as the managers of One Direction and Ed Sheeran, who signed a joint letter campaigning against “the increasing industrial-scale abuse and insider exploitation of tickets for music, arts and sports events by ticket touts, and their online associates and facilitators. Tens of thousands of fans have been ripped off by people who exploit fair ticket prices via so-called ticket marketplaces,” the letter added. then Liam in 2017 www.nme.com/news/music/liam-mocks-noel-gallagher-offering-fans-enhanced-experienced-2146697Liam tweet : "350 dollars to go and see rkid in USA what a vagina when will it all stop as you were LG x" "Liam Gallagher has again hit out at his brother Noel‘s ticket prices – as well as offering fans to buy an ‘enhanced experience’. Last week, former Oasis guitarist Noel recently announced a series of North American tour dates scheduled for February and March 2018 – with prices ranging from around $40 (£33) to over $300 (£250) for an “Enhanced Experience” VIP package. Liam then hit back at Noel, calling him a ‘c**t’ for the price tag, and also inviting him to support him on his own upcoming tour." “I won’t be charging that man, I dunno what we’re charging but we’re not charging that.” 9 year and 7 years later, oasis joined the dark side being the scammers and asking over the odds prices to their show; Blur did not (yet) the estimate for these shows is 50 millions for both gallaghers brothers, its roughly what noel was worth before the divorce. Is it ok ? business aside. he's gonna make in a dozen shows a third what he made in his career; Is it still ok ? Couldn't they settle for jjuuuuust a bit less ? Good point and pertinent quotes. The quote by Noel is interesting because you can see it both ways : you can read it as « let’s kill the scalpers » in which case dynamic pricing is a tool to decrease the practice. At least the money goes to the artist instead of scalpers. I don’t read it as a condemnation of expensive tickets, but there is a hint of that I give you that. As for Liam well he never missed an opportunity to call his brother a potato in those days.
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Post by standonit on Sept 2, 2024 7:45:19 GMT -5
I'd like to be wrong, but I suspect the silence is because they don't plan on addressing it, and the initial furore will die down soon and most people will move on.
I wouldn't be surprised if no official statement comes out about it, and any future Noel/Liam interview where they're asked about it is met with "nothing to do with us".
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Post by surrealneil on Sept 2, 2024 7:47:22 GMT -5
no, they were never really vocal about that, rarely spoken about it. i'm not saying there is any hypocrisy, the price were advertised. but there was a time when with no words, they kept ticket prices at reasonable price, probably willingly; for instance in the 00s, when Macca had huge prices, in comparison, Oasis was a bargain. here is the few i could find coz now the topic is overflooded by new articles about the scandal; Noel in 2015 about secondary market below, and ticket prices in general. What the industry is doing now is trying to kill the resale market and keep that second margin market for themselves, right in front of you; www.oasismania.co.uk/noel-gallagher-about-ticket-prices-im-with-elton-john/"Rock star Noel Gallagher has called on the government to “sort out” the secondary ticketing market and he said he support Elton John regarding ticket prices.He was speaking after Sir Elton John said he would “rather have empty seats” at a venue then see fans pay “extortionate” prices on sites that promise access to sold out shows: “I’m with Elton,” Gallagher told BBC Radio 5 live. “People shouldn’t really pay over the odds, but they do. You get forged tickets on those things as well. It’s a terrible thing.”Noel then added that as long as the re-sale of concert tickets was legal, “it’s going to carry on. You need the government to sort it out.”Last month, the government welcomed comments on secondary ticketing as part of a review of the market. Among the artists to get involved were Coldplay, Radiohead and Blur, as well as the managers of One Direction and Ed Sheeran, who signed a joint letter campaigning against “the increasing industrial-scale abuse and insider exploitation of tickets for music, arts and sports events by ticket touts, and their online associates and facilitators. Tens of thousands of fans have been ripped off by people who exploit fair ticket prices via so-called ticket marketplaces,” the letter added. then Liam in 2017 www.nme.com/news/music/liam-mocks-noel-gallagher-offering-fans-enhanced-experienced-2146697Liam tweet : "350 dollars to go and see rkid in USA what a vagina when will it all stop as you were LG x" "Liam Gallagher has again hit out at his brother Noel‘s ticket prices – as well as offering fans to buy an ‘enhanced experience’. Last week, former Oasis guitarist Noel recently announced a series of North American tour dates scheduled for February and March 2018 – with prices ranging from around $40 (£33) to over $300 (£250) for an “Enhanced Experience” VIP package. Liam then hit back at Noel, calling him a ‘c**t’ for the price tag, and also inviting him to support him on his own upcoming tour." “I won’t be charging that man, I dunno what we’re charging but we’re not charging that.” 9 year and 7 years later, oasis joined the dark side being the scammers and asking over the odds prices to their show; Blur did not (yet) the estimate for these shows is 50 millions for both gallaghers brothers, its roughly what noel was worth before the divorce. Is it ok ? business aside. he's gonna make in a dozen shows a third what he made in his career; Is it still ok ? Couldn't they settle for jjuuuuust a bit less ? Good point and pertinent quotes. The quote by Noel is interesting because you can see it both ways : you can read it as « let’s kill the scalpers » in which case dynamic pricing is a tool to decrease the practice. At least the money goes to the artist instead of scalpers. I don’t read it as a condemnation of expensive tickets, but there is a hint of that I give you that. As for Liam well he never missed an opportunity to call his brother a potato in those days. Isn't Noel's good mate Scully a scalper?
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Post by racingman11 on Sept 2, 2024 7:49:54 GMT -5
Twickets is totally out of services. We can be sure all bots are on the platform to take the resale tickets. The problem is it is impossible to wait months for tickets if we have to find a plane and a hotel. I think I will just give up and let this mascarade At this point few people will be reselling. Once they announce a full World Tour that should change, though. They certainly didn't need to do this dynamic pricing thing but I get it, that's just how things work nowadays. They could have put £300+ from the beginning and this would have still sold out as quickly as it did. The most frustrating thing for me is that, after all those years, there's still no good way of stopping touts. No matter what they say, it'll be nearly impossible for them to cancel tickets being resold through StubHub or Viagogo. BTW, P1, which is an official international ticket seller for many UK football clubs (I once bought Arsenal tickets from them) will also be selling tickets for those gigs soon. The price listed on their website? Starting at €1927 hahaha now that's a joke. Touts can be destroyed by ID verification on entrance. Note that for most events they say they will do that (like the Olympics this summer of Rugby World Cup earlier) but they don’t in the end because that require a lot of manpower - whose cost will be supported by the spectator via ticket price. Electronic identity is coming slowly, with that there will be solution to the problem (like Ticketmaster requiring use of the ID card or passeport 5 hours before the event to unlock the QR code).
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Post by surrealneil on Sept 2, 2024 7:51:28 GMT -5
People pay Costa £5 quid for a coffee it’s same principle No its not... I don't think you understand what dynamic pricing is. Costa won't triple the price of your coffee by the time you order because it's busy in the shop.
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Post by standonit on Sept 2, 2024 7:56:38 GMT -5
At this point few people will be reselling. Once they announce a full World Tour that should change, though. They certainly didn't need to do this dynamic pricing thing but I get it, that's just how things work nowadays. They could have put £300+ from the beginning and this would have still sold out as quickly as it did. The most frustrating thing for me is that, after all those years, there's still no good way of stopping touts. No matter what they say, it'll be nearly impossible for them to cancel tickets being resold through StubHub or Viagogo. BTW, P1, which is an official international ticket seller for many UK football clubs (I once bought Arsenal tickets from them) will also be selling tickets for those gigs soon. The price listed on their website? Starting at €1927 hahaha now that's a joke. Touts can be destroyed by ID verification on entrance. Note that for most events they say they will do that (like the Olympics this summer of Rugby World Cup earlier) but they don’t in the end because that require a lot of manpower - whose cost will be supported by the spectator via ticket price. Electronic identity is coming slowly, with that there will be solution to the problem (like Ticketmaster requiring use of the ID card or passeport 5 hours before the event to unlock the QR code). I can understand that ID verification is a possible solution, but given that Ticketmaster is already under investigation for massive data security breaches, I don't think giving them more personal data is a good idea. Ultimately Ticketmaster (and most of the music industry) doesn't care about fans being ripped off by touts, their issue is that they want to be the ones ripping the fans off instead of the touts. There have already been steps in recent years to locking down tickets to the Ticketmaster app and only allowing resales through that (so they can collect fees again on each resale), I suspect we'll see more steps in that direction.
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Post by surrealneil on Sept 2, 2024 7:58:35 GMT -5
Very similar story for me and my mates trying to get tickets; on phone for 6 hours, joined Q at 170k then kicked me out for “being a bot”🤦🏻♂️ my mate could’ve got 4 tickets for £358 each but we all said no. If you stayed the night after gig you’re probably talking easy a grand each for the day with hotel companies hiking prices up. I love Oasis but can’t justify spending that as not blessed with money. It’s a shame lots of fans who have loved the band since day 1 have been priced out by it. Lucky enough to see them 5 times at their peak so always got that. I liked the way it used to be, queuing up at HMV for printed tickets. At least hardcore fans were more likely to get in On Ticketmaster I’d love it if everyone deleted their app and simply stopped using them in anger at fleecing everyone but from what I hear they have a monopoly on the ticket industry. Bit like how the biggest company in the planet , Amazon treat their staff like crap yet we all keep using them…… Good decision. If people have the money then fair enough, but shelling out up to a grand for one night just isn't worth it or viable for most people. The reality is a lot of people are being priced out of attending big concerts. Same with Football. A lot of working class families couldn't afford to take a couple of kids to big premier league match these days. Of course, there's always been an element of this, not everyone has disposable income, its always been that way, but it used to be somewhat doable for many. These days a lot of people are well and truly priced out of these things.
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Post by AllOrNothing on Sept 2, 2024 8:02:41 GMT -5
Very similar story for me and my mates trying to get tickets; on phone for 6 hours, joined Q at 170k then kicked me out for “being a bot”🤦🏻♂️ my mate could’ve got 4 tickets for £358 each but we all said no. If you stayed the night after gig you’re probably talking easy a grand each for the day with hotel companies hiking prices up. I love Oasis but can’t justify spending that as not blessed with money. It’s a shame lots of fans who have loved the band since day 1 have been priced out by it. Lucky enough to see them 5 times at their peak so always got that. I liked the way it used to be, queuing up at HMV for printed tickets. At least hardcore fans were more likely to get in On Ticketmaster I’d love it if everyone deleted their app and simply stopped using them in anger at fleecing everyone but from what I hear they have a monopoly on the ticket industry. Bit like how the biggest company in the planet , Amazon treat their staff like crap yet we all keep using them…… Good decision. If people have the money then fair enough, but shelling out up to a grand for one night just isn't worth it or viable for most people. The reality is a lot of people are being priced out of attending big concerts. Same with Football. A lot of working class families couldn't afford to take a couple of kids to big premier league match these days. Of course, there's always been an element of this, not everyone has disposable income, its always been that way, but it used to be somewhat doable for many. These days a lot of people are well and truly priced out of these things. It makes me want to go to as many underground (thus affordable) shows as possible. These are the artists who are struggling and as working class people we should strive to keep them afloat.
And they put on amazing shows as well
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Post by carlober on Sept 2, 2024 8:37:59 GMT -5
I would have loved to be at one of those gigs in the UK or Ireland.
I seriously considered it, but when you start adding up the ticket prices, overpriced accommodation, flights, meals, transport and everything else needed for two people... it simply wasn’t feasible or reasonable for me. And that was before even factoring in the dynamic pricing nonsense.
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Post by jh on Sept 2, 2024 8:45:20 GMT -5
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that it was management who handled all these contracts and not the brothers. There's no chance they're unaware of it, now, though, and so the ball is in their court to do something about it. The longer they do nothing, keep quiet, do not even give a one line statement- The more the shine comes off this reunion. It also paints in 60 foot high letters this was / is purely a giant cash grab rather than giving the fans what they want. At this time the fact that fans have been truely fleeced under the all seeing eye of the complicit band / management is being outshone by the lack of anything from "Oasis" on the screwing over issues. Ok a band has to make money but this is a big black smear on the band.
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Post by standonit on Sept 2, 2024 8:54:30 GMT -5
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that it was management who handled all these contracts and not the brothers. There's no chance they're unaware of it, now, though, and so the ball is in their court to do something about it. The longer they do nothing, keep quiet, do not even give a one line statement- The more the shine comes off this reunion. It also paints in 60 foot high letters this was / is purely a giant cash grab rather than giving the fans what they want. At this time the fact that fans have been truely fleeced under the all seeing eye of the complicit band / management is being outshone by the lack of anything from "Oasis" on the screwing over issues. Ok a band has to make money but this is a big black smear on the band. This exact thing happened with the Bruce Springsteen tour in 2023. Dynamic pricing was used, fans felt betrayed (it even led to the closure of a fan magazine that had been running for decades), but after a few headlines and articles the only places where it still gets discussed are fan forums like this. The gigs happen, everyone in attendance loves them, maybe there's a couple of lines mentioning the controversy in a gig review but that is that. The longer the band do nothing the more it pisses off the small number of people who feel really betrayed, but also the more the other 95% just move on.
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Post by vespa on Sept 2, 2024 8:59:26 GMT -5
Wonder how many remember the heaton where they played for free and cost over a million quid ? Remember that part?
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Post by vespa on Sept 2, 2024 9:01:17 GMT -5
The reason folks are pissed off in the queueing system that happened folks waited hours then either got to rip off prices or kicked out but by that time the gigs had already sold out other Heston park , why people stood in the que knowing that in a 90,000 venue there was 200,000 infront of them for one date is beyond me …
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Post by Sadie on Sept 2, 2024 9:02:17 GMT -5
I genuinely cannot believe that people didn't think that this was going to happen. Marcus Russell and Ignition are greedy shitbags and time and time again they've been shown to be a shit management company more than happy to take advantage of fans' willingness to buy stuff even when they're being offered the bare minimum. This entirely fits their modus operandi. Blame them, not the brothers themselves Edit: you're right, it is standard practice and it's sad but unfortunately it's the way of the world where big acts are concerned now and has been for some time. When you live in a world where Ticketmaster and their parent company Live Nation have a near total monopoly over the organisation, promotion and ticketing of live music events and there isn't a single piece of legislation in place to keep them in check there isn't really a viable alternative. It's not just an Oasis thing, as fucked up as it is. Pearl Jam tried to combat it years ago to no avail and many other bands have done the same but until legislation is in place this will keep happening. I guess what I'm saying is don't blame the band members for what is essentially a systemic issue, blame their management, and don't be surprised when things like this happen in the future. Liam has been scamming fans for 4+ years with a big smile How? Do you mean releasing albums with multiple versions?
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Post by Sadie on Sept 2, 2024 9:08:58 GMT -5
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that it was management who handled all these contracts and not the brothers. There's no chance they're unaware of it, now, though, and so the ball is in their court to do something about it. Completely agree, Noel's said before that he doesn't really get involved with the internal/corporate side of the band and Liam's spent his entire career airing his distaste for management (he called them clowns after all) so I struggle to believe they were responsible for the decision but, as the public faces of the band, they need to be the ones to act in my opinion
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Post by alanjwhite on Sept 2, 2024 9:15:10 GMT -5
Oasis, or any band, don't owe you our the fans anything. This is their JOB, they make music. If you like it great, if don't, great. Musicians don't make music "for the fans." Some extreme naiveté in these threads.
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Post by coolprophet on Sept 2, 2024 9:22:28 GMT -5
I got really pissed about that thing on top after missing out on tickets on Saturday BUT to be fair... and I still have to ask me that question and I guess my honest answer would be > No Would especially people who didn't get tickets have that debate now aswell if they were lucky and had the tickets they wanted in the bag for the original price without breaking a sweat? For the record: I absolutely hate the fact more and more big tours go this way and end up with that shit. And I'm also a bit disappointed this happened now for the Oasis shows aswell. That being said it's not like even "men of the people" like Springsteen are up for this www.billboard.com/music/music-news/bruce-springsteen-ticketmaster-dynamic-pricing-2023-tour-1235174083/
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Post by Megaman on Sept 2, 2024 9:23:37 GMT -5
Oasis, or any band, don't owe you our the fans anything. This is their JOB, they make music. If you like it great, if don't, great. Musicians don't make music "for the fans." Some extreme naiveté in these threads. Who has said anything about them owing the fans? It's about the audacity to triple the costs out of the blue, in a situation where people are desperate after having queued for hours. Then they do it in the guise of the tickets being "in demand". As if that wasn't known from the very start.
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