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Post by AppleScruff on Sept 2, 2024 14:16:23 GMT -5
Nothing there contradicts my point. It’s not Fraud. It may be a breach of consumer protection….. Personally I very much doubt Ticketmaster will be found guilty of anything, the regulator is not fit for purpose. Again to be clear I’m not defending them. But anyone who bought tickets, saw the price and decided to proceed. Take some responsibility.
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noeloliam
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Post by noeloliam on Sept 2, 2024 14:16:24 GMT -5
No new dates as they want to make as much money from as little work as possible, perhaps? Why bother adding new shows, just triple the ticket price
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Post by jaq515 on Sept 2, 2024 14:22:35 GMT -5
its amazing how the ceo of Ticketmaster see this as a growth area in his earnings call. But here they've marketed it to 'stop touts' (which ive seen a lot of people lap up) cos we all hate touts, so we not the bad guys well stop those touts making money when the band allows us to raise to 'market value'
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settingson
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Post by settingson on Sept 2, 2024 14:38:16 GMT -5
Here's an extract from the latest edition of ISIS, the excellent BOb Dylan fanzine regarding tickets for his upcoming UK dates.
"As we expected, large numbers of tickets were quickly up for sale on viagogo. In fact, on July 23, tickets for Bournemouth were available through viagogo in all of the hall’s nine areas! The same applied to all three areas at the Usher Hall, Edinburgh. For Edinburgh, two tickets seated together in the stalls were being offered for the princely sum of £11,806.
In Wolverhampton, a pair of standing tickets at the very back of the house were being sold on viagogo for £1,188. Decent seats in the stalls were going for between £350 and £595 each.
Viagogo, which started out as a fan ticket exchange forum, is now nothing more than a platform for legalised touting."
Totally out of control.
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Post by Sadie on Sept 2, 2024 14:57:57 GMT -5
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Post by Jgrp on Sept 2, 2024 15:00:22 GMT -5
No new dates as they want to make as much money from as little work as possible, perhaps? Why bother adding new shows, just triple the ticket price Exactly my point!
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Post by Elias on Sept 2, 2024 15:15:43 GMT -5
I'm just about prepared to give Liam and Noel the benefit of the doubt on this one. Not in any working class heroes, men of the people way, quite the opposite. Artists of their size barely know the date their album is being released, or which country the tour's in this time next week.
They've both had the best part of 30 years not having to organise anything for themselves, with every whim dealt with by PAs and management.
At most I'd guess specifics of the tour were sent or detailed to them and they barely paid any attention to what the plans were. More likely they just left it up to management and had no particular say one way or another. I doubt someone has sat them down and asked: "Do you want Ticketmaster to employ dynamic pricing?"
It's complacent, negligent and they're taking the flak rightfully, but I don't think they've OK'd anything.
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Post by Sadie on Sept 2, 2024 15:25:09 GMT -5
I'm just about prepared to give Liam and Noel the benefit of the doubt on this one. Not in any working class heroes, men of the people way, quite the opposite. Artists of their size barely know the date their album is being released, or which country the tour's in this time next week. They've both had the best part of 30 years not having to organise anything for themselves, with every whim dealt with by PAs and management. At most I'd guess specifics of the tour were sent or detailed to them and they barely paid any attention to what the plans were. More likely they just left it up to management and had no particular say one way or another. I doubt someone has sat them down and asked: "Do you want Ticketmaster to employ dynamic pricing?" It's complacent, negligent and they're taking the flak rightfully, but I don't think they've OK'd anything. I also think it's wrong to even refer to them as men of the people/working class heroes anymore - they've been removed from the working class life for longer than they ever lived it
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 2, 2024 15:49:38 GMT -5
What seems very strange to me is that they have not added extra dates in Manchester or Wembley. The "gaps" in the calendar are strange. There must be some kind of problem that we don't know about. Last year, when the tickets for LG30DM came out, if I remember correctly, they were sold out, but they added the new dates, the same day. They’re spacing out the dates to help Liam’s voice I’d imagine. They announced the extra three dates before they went on sale.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 2, 2024 15:54:53 GMT -5
I'm just about prepared to give Liam and Noel the benefit of the doubt on this one. Not in any working class heroes, men of the people way, quite the opposite. Artists of their size barely know the date their album is being released, or which country the tour's in this time next week. They've both had the best part of 30 years not having to organise anything for themselves, with every whim dealt with by PAs and management. At most I'd guess specifics of the tour were sent or detailed to them and they barely paid any attention to what the plans were. More likely they just left it up to management and had no particular say one way or another. I doubt someone has sat them down and asked: "Do you want Ticketmaster to employ dynamic pricing?" It's complacent, negligent and they're taking the flak rightfully, but I don't think they've OK'd anything. It definitely went along the line of: “right lads, we can get you £50m each. You ok with that?” N&L: yeah, sure. You sort out the particulars we’re off the France on holiday.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 2, 2024 16:03:52 GMT -5
There’s no doubt more uk dates will be released but they will be thinking up ideas on how to resolve it and how many, there were initially 10 days booked at each venue . I think they thought demand would be high but not 14 million applicants that’s more than knebworth ..it was unprecedented demand .. they have nothing to do with them prices I guarantee it . That is purely a booking agent on the day taking the piss If true then its a fuck up - they advertised it heavily as the « only Europe shows » building up demand to potential 720 million people. - the world has changed since knebworth. Its easier to buy online than to call, speak english and buy a ticket > Two-and-a-half million people applied for tickets in 1996. More than four per cent of the population applied for tickets to see Oasis at Knebworth > just be dumb, apply that number to Europe 4% of 720 is 28,8 millions. Divide randomly by 2 because its not britpop anymore… what do you get:14 millions > A bigger ballot per gig could also have solved the problem > divide the sale between seated And standing to reduce the wait. And so on… There are solutions. If you are not prepared to make the biggest comeback in music history maybe dont do it. Or delay it.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 2, 2024 16:21:15 GMT -5
The bottom line is it's bang out of order. Especially considering both brothers personal views on this sort of thing
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Post by surrealneil on Sept 2, 2024 16:38:11 GMT -5
I'm just about prepared to give Liam and Noel the benefit of the doubt on this one. Not in any working class heroes, men of the people way, quite the opposite. Artists of their size barely know the date their album is being released, or which country the tour's in this time next week. They've both had the best part of 30 years not having to organise anything for themselves, with every whim dealt with by PAs and management. At most I'd guess specifics of the tour were sent or detailed to them and they barely paid any attention to what the plans were. More likely they just left it up to management and had no particular say one way or another. I doubt someone has sat them down and asked: "Do you want Ticketmaster to employ dynamic pricing?" It's complacent, negligent and they're taking the flak rightfully, but I don't think they've OK'd anything. It definitely went along the line of: “right lads, we can get you £50m each. You ok with that?” N&L: yeah, sure. You sort out the particulars we’re off the France on holiday. I'd say that's about the extent of it. I don't really think the band themselves could give a fuck whether I had to pay a hundred pound more than you, as long as the ticket is sold That's not knocking them or anything , I just think artists are so far removed from dealing with things like that when they're at that level.
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Post by Sadie on Sept 2, 2024 16:40:14 GMT -5
I'm just about prepared to give Liam and Noel the benefit of the doubt on this one. Not in any working class heroes, men of the people way, quite the opposite. Artists of their size barely know the date their album is being released, or which country the tour's in this time next week. They've both had the best part of 30 years not having to organise anything for themselves, with every whim dealt with by PAs and management. At most I'd guess specifics of the tour were sent or detailed to them and they barely paid any attention to what the plans were. More likely they just left it up to management and had no particular say one way or another. I doubt someone has sat them down and asked: "Do you want Ticketmaster to employ dynamic pricing?" It's complacent, negligent and they're taking the flak rightfully, but I don't think they've OK'd anything. It definitely went along the line of: “right lads, we can get you £50m each. You ok with that?” N&L: yeah, sure. You sort out the particulars we’re off the France on holiday. 100% agree!
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 2, 2024 16:45:53 GMT -5
It definitely went along the line of: “right lads, we can get you £50m each. You ok with that?” N&L: yeah, sure. You sort out the particulars we’re off the France on holiday. I'd say that's about the extent of it. I don't really think the band themselves could give a fuck whether I had to pay a hundred pound more than you, as long as the ticket is sold That's not knocking them or anything , I just think artists are so far removed from dealing with things like that when they're at that level. Exactly. That’s why they have management and accountants and people working for them. I doubt they got much further than the number of gigs and how spread out they’d be but they didn’t get into the nitty gritty T&C’s. It’ll all die down in a week or so. But Ticketmaster shouldn’t be allowed have the option of Dynamic Pricing. Set your stall out and stick to it. At the end of the day the idea originates with TM. They facilitate dynamic pricing.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 2, 2024 16:53:21 GMT -5
It definitely went along the line of: “right lads, we can get you £50m each. You ok with that?” N&L: yeah, sure. You sort out the particulars we’re off the France on holiday. I'd say that's about the extent of it. I don't really think the band themselves could give a fuck whether I had to pay a hundred pound more than you, as long as the ticket is sold That's not knocking them or anything , I just think artists are so far removed from dealing with things like that when they're at that level. Yeah that's what I've been trying to say for the last few days I really appreciate when artists try to do something (for instance, I attended a gig at the Circus Maximus this summer and I know the singers themselves had a say in trying to make it as cheap as possible, which still meant 55 euros these days but there you go), but I know most of them have no idea about the technicalities, they earn their fee and that's it
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Sept 2, 2024 17:20:56 GMT -5
It definitely went along the line of: “right lads, we can get you £50m each. You ok with that?” N&L: yeah, sure. You sort out the particulars we’re off the France on holiday. 100% agree! Seems the three of us have been on the same page with a lot of this. From the start Ive suspected the band’s final say in all this will have come from Ignition, specifically Marcus Russell. It will have been part of the contract yes. You could argue they should’ve asked not to have it, but certainly in Liam’s case I don’t know if he even knows what it is.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Sept 2, 2024 18:12:19 GMT -5
I am not an expert, but from my limited, non-zero experience, this article points out to the only way of attacking this from the legal standpoint: the lack of transparency, including creating the expectation of fixed prices and using misleading names like 'platinum tickets' that incorrectly hint to additional benefits. Anyway, imho this will sadly be forgotten in less than a week and nothing will happen
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Post by racingman11 on Sept 2, 2024 18:18:09 GMT -5
I am not an expert, but from my limited, non-zero experience, this article points out to the only way of attacking this from the legal standpoint: the lack of transparency, including creating the expectation of fixed prices and using misleading names like 'platinum tickets' that incorrectly hint to additional benefits. Anyway, imho this will sadly be forgotten in less than a week and nothing will happen As I said some time ago Ticketmasters NEVER published any ticket price before the sale. Nor did the band. Other resellers did. I guess that’s how they get away with it on a legal standpoint.
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Post by epiphoney on Sept 2, 2024 18:28:49 GMT -5
A few been caught out on the platinum tickets thing. It is very similar to premium i guess if you're rushing and under pressure to buy. I think platinum sounds better on a scale of premium, gold circle or whatever.
Crazy you could be then sat in the nosebleeds near someone who payed considerably less, and the premium tickets were less with more perks.
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Post by jaq515 on Sept 2, 2024 18:29:14 GMT -5
I am not an expert, but from my limited, non-zero experience, this article points out to the only way of attacking this from the legal standpoint: the lack of transparency, including creating the expectation of fixed prices and using misleading names like 'platinum tickets' that incorrectly hint to additional benefits. Anyway, imho this will sadly be forgotten in less than a week and nothing will happen As I said some time ago Ticketmasters NEVER published any ticket price before the sale. Nor did the band. Other resellers did. I guess that’s how they get away with it on a legal standpoint. they did have a presale the night before so those prices were known what they was selling those tickets for.. ultimately what they are doing isnt illegal 'so they'll get away with it' the point is that with all eyes on this practice will the door for lack of transparency be closed in the future (obv hopefully will be)
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Post by racingman11 on Sept 2, 2024 18:46:45 GMT -5
As I said some time ago Ticketmasters NEVER published any ticket price before the sale. Nor did the band. Other resellers did. I guess that’s how they get away with it on a legal standpoint. they did have a presale the night before so those prices were known what they was selling those tickets for.. ultimately what they are doing isnt illegal 'so they'll get away with it' the point is that with all eyes on this practice will the door for lack of transparency be closed in the future (obv hopefully will be) About the presale : the tickets were marketed as « UK Presale Ballot » tickets(that’s even what I have on my receipt). That can explain the different pricing strategy (no dynamic pricing during the presale).
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Post by jaq515 on Sept 2, 2024 19:00:51 GMT -5
they did have a presale the night before so those prices were known what they was selling those tickets for.. ultimately what they are doing isnt illegal 'so they'll get away with it' the point is that with all eyes on this practice will the door for lack of transparency be closed in the future (obv hopefully will be) About the presale : the tickets were marketed as « UK Presale Ballot » tickets(that’s even what I have on my receipt). That can explain the different pricing strategy (no dynamic pricing during the presale). I have those tickets also but they weren't marketed as discounted or cheaper just as 'priority' and 'presale' which those words are very transparent what we were buying. like said TM and oasis havent broke any laws but they've opened many eye onto a very bad practice so good luck to the next uk band that chooses to not opt out of dynamic pricing
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Post by jumpinjackflash78 on Sept 2, 2024 19:05:07 GMT -5
A few been caught out on the platinum tickets thing. It is very similar to premium i guess if you're rushing and under pressure to buy. I think platinum sounds better on a scale of premium, gold circle or whatever. Crazy you could be then sat in the nosebleeds near someone who payed considerably less, and the premium tickets were less with more perks. They call it 'Platinum tickets', others (like me) call it a new way to rip up off people. Younger generations who go to concerts nowadays that doesn't have the 'mental baggage' of relatively cheap tickets in some distant past, never knowing a time when concerts weren't a luxury experience.
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Post by jaq515 on Sept 2, 2024 19:15:41 GMT -5
A few been caught out on the platinum tickets thing. It is very similar to premium i guess if you're rushing and under pressure to buy. I think platinum sounds better on a scale of premium, gold circle or whatever. Crazy you could be then sat in the nosebleeds near someone who payed considerably less, and the premium tickets were less with more perks. They call it 'Platinum tickets', others (like me) call it a new way to rip up off people. Younger generations who go to concerts nowadays that doesn't have the 'mental baggage' of relatively cheap tickets in some distant past, never knowing a time when concerts weren't a luxury experience. the point there is that the platinum tickets was just what they called the dynamically raised normal tickets so it won't be luxury its just a normal ticket
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