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Post by morning_rain on Oct 2, 2024 4:36:34 GMT -5
I understand the people that doesn't think this is going to happen, but I strongly feel that it will.
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Post by standonit on Oct 2, 2024 5:57:04 GMT -5
I think the idea that Noel has a bunch of songs he's left hanging around because they're more suited to Liam's voice is far-fetched. After Heathen Chemistry you can probably count on one hand the number of songs Noel wrote for Liam to sing, and he's probably released about 80 songs since that time.
You might point out that a lot of those songs would have been better with Liam singing, but that was the case in the later Oasis days as well and Liam wasn't singing them then either, so the idea that there's a pile of songs put aside waiting on Liam seems a stretch to me.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Oct 2, 2024 6:08:37 GMT -5
They don't really have anything to prove to anyone. They've recorded two classic albums and been the biggest band in the world. Also, nobody buys albums anymore these days, so from a financial point of view it wouldn't make much sense. They can just keep doing gigs if they wish to do so.
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Post by darmin on Oct 2, 2024 6:08:59 GMT -5
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Noel stockpiled good songs for the reunion in the last n-years while selling the fans his songs deemed by him as second rate ones? It would’ve been like what he did in the end of Oasis in 00s , only in reverse
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Post by sheisloved on Oct 2, 2024 6:20:49 GMT -5
I think the idea that Noel has a bunch of songs he's left hanging around because they're more suited to Liam's voice is far-fetched. After Heathen Chemistry you can probably count on one hand the number of songs Noel wrote for Liam to sing, and he's probably released about 80 songs since that time. You might point out that a lot of those songs would have been better with Liam singing, but that was the case in the later Oasis days as well and Liam wasn't singing them then either, so the idea that there's a pile of songs put aside waiting on Liam seems a stretch to me. I think its quite the opposite. I believe he has a bunch he wrote that he knows he can't sing live. Probably an album full |
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Post by dadrocker on Oct 2, 2024 8:47:41 GMT -5
Noel may have songs, but does Liam want to sing them? That's the crux of it for me. Noel was getting interviewed recently, maybe by Matt Martin on the podcast?, and he was talking about Pretty Boy and how it would never fly on an Oasis record because Liam wouldn't have it. And the opinions of the Liam crowd on here pretty much confirm that. I can see a new Oasis album alienating half the crowd of oasis or never getting off the ground because of Noel bringing songs that aren't 'oasis' enough or having another shit album ruined by only being able to have 'oasis' songs like Ain't Got Nothin' or Nature of Reality-esque instead of decent songs.
I really don't see how they do an album together anymore. I don't really see Noel going back to the Oasis songwriting 'box' he was 'stuck' in when he left.
We won't really know until they actually start speaking to the press once all the gigs are sold. Just seems weird, but he did have that disc of old oasis tunes that were never used that he found. Maybe that's it. That might be the way to go. The defiant rock record could sound like anything knowing Noel and we have no idea what Liam would think of them at this stage.
So much is still unknown for anything to be certain except some gigs are being played.
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Post by surrealneil on Oct 2, 2024 9:32:26 GMT -5
Noel may have songs, but does Liam want to sing them? That's the crux of it for me. Noel was getting interviewed recently, maybe by Matt Martin on the podcast?, and he was talking about Pretty Boy and how it would never fly on an Oasis record because Liam wouldn't have it. And the opinions of the Liam crowd on here pretty much confirm that. I can see a new Oasis album alienating half the crowd of oasis or never getting off the ground because of Noel bringing songs that aren't 'oasis' enough or having another shit album ruined by only being able to have 'oasis' songs like Ain't Got Nothin' or Nature of Reality-esque instead of decent songs. I really don't see how they do an album together anymore. I don't really see Noel going back to the Oasis songwriting 'box' he was 'stuck' in when he left. We won't really know until they actually start speaking to the press once all the gigs are sold. Just seems weird, but he did have that disc of old oasis tunes that were never used that he found. Maybe that's it. That might be the way to go. The defiant rock record could sound like anything knowing Noel and we have no idea what Liam would think of them at this stage. So much is still unknown for anything to be certain except some gigs are being played. It's hard to say Writers write what comes to them. There's a decent chance Noel has got tunes knocking about that he put to the side for being too "oasis-y". If he's made an effort to get away from the Oasis sound a bit, it doesn't necessarily mean he's only written songs that aren't suitable for Oasis, it could just as easily mean he's put songs on the backburner while selecting ones that suit him better. I remember him saying David Holmes didn't want to use some ideas because it sounded like Oasis, or typical Noel. So that shows Noel just writes generally, rather than writing for a specific direction for the time. I'd be very surprised if he didn't at least have a batch of half finished ideas that could be turned into Oasis tunes, it's been 15 years. It's not like he released every idea he's written in that time. |
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Post by Flashbax on Oct 2, 2024 9:52:38 GMT -5
I really wonder how Liam feels about songwriting. Was Little James released because Liam wanted it? Or because Noel's insecurity about writing songs? Liam said at times that he didn't want to sing somebody's else's songs for the rest of his life, but was that real? Or because of the decision of Noel that LAG could/should contribute to the latter albums, was that the story they went with. We know that nowadays, Liam doesn't care about songwriting anymore.
Their dad must have been a terrible DJ by the way, because they never choose the right songs.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 2, 2024 9:56:36 GMT -5
To be #1 and loved by everyone….
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Post by standonit on Oct 2, 2024 10:47:09 GMT -5
Writers write what comes to them. I don't think that's always true, even though Noel says songs fall to him. He has a default style of course, the type of song that like you say, Holmes pushed back on. But there are plenty of examples of him pushing into other areas – I don't think Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love, Gas Panic etc just happened when he strummed a guitar, he was trying to push his writing in that direction. Same with Who Built the Moon, or Black Star Dancing or Pretty Boy. In the last two Oasis albums he knew he had to provide a rock n' roll lead single for Liam to sing, so he went and wrote Lyla and The Shock of the Lightning. It's the fact that (in the later era) he writes those types of songs only when he needs them that makes me think he doesn't have an album full of them in reserve. |
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Post by dadrocker on Oct 2, 2024 12:04:00 GMT -5
Their dad must have been a terrible DJ by the way, because they never choose the right songs.  |
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Post by dadrocker on Oct 2, 2024 12:05:03 GMT -5
Writers write what comes to them. I don't think that's always true, even though Noel says songs fall to him. He has a default style of course, the type of song that like you say, Holmes pushed back on. But there are plenty of examples of him pushing into other areas – I don't think Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love, Gas Panic etc just happened when he strummed a guitar, he was trying to push his writing in that direction. Same with Who Built the Moon, or Black Star Dancing or Pretty Boy. In the last two Oasis albums he knew he had to provide a rock n' roll lead single for Liam to sing, so he went and wrote Lyla and The Shock of the Lightning. It's the fact that (in the later era) he writes those types of songs only when he needs them that makes me think he doesn't have an album full of them in reserve. Remember though, the record company is what got Lyla on the album. If Noel had his way it wouldn't have been there, as far as I can remember. |
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Post by Flashbax on Oct 2, 2024 12:12:38 GMT -5
I don't think that's always true, even though Noel says songs fall to him. He has a default style of course, the type of song that like you say, Holmes pushed back on. But there are plenty of examples of him pushing into other areas – I don't think Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love, Gas Panic etc just happened when he strummed a guitar, he was trying to push his writing in that direction. Same with Who Built the Moon, or Black Star Dancing or Pretty Boy. In the last two Oasis albums he knew he had to provide a rock n' roll lead single for Liam to sing, so he went and wrote Lyla and The Shock of the Lightning. It's the fact that (in the later era) he writes those types of songs only when he needs them that makes me think he doesn't have an album full of them in reserve. Remember though, the record company is what got Lyla on the album. If Noel had his way it wouldn't have been there, as far as I can remember. Yes, Noel wanted Mucky Fingers as lead single first. Interesting, the album was finished but the record company said that it lacked big singles. So Noel put/wrote Lyla and TIOBI. Amazing |
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Post by standonit on Oct 2, 2024 12:20:46 GMT -5
I don't think that's always true, even though Noel says songs fall to him. He has a default style of course, the type of song that like you say, Holmes pushed back on. But there are plenty of examples of him pushing into other areas – I don't think Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love, Gas Panic etc just happened when he strummed a guitar, he was trying to push his writing in that direction. Same with Who Built the Moon, or Black Star Dancing or Pretty Boy. In the last two Oasis albums he knew he had to provide a rock n' roll lead single for Liam to sing, so he went and wrote Lyla and The Shock of the Lightning. It's the fact that (in the later era) he writes those types of songs only when he needs them that makes me think he doesn't have an album full of them in reserve. Remember though, the record company is what got Lyla on the album. If Noel had his way it wouldn't have been there, as far as I can remember. Well that's kind of my point – Noel almost didn't write a single song for Liam on Don't Believe the Truth. I think the last time he wrote a b-side for Liam to sing was Let's All Make Believe. So if Noel had more or less stopped writing songs for Liam even when Oasis were a going concern, I'm not sure why he would have been writing them in the solo years. I'm sure he could write an album now with that being the focus, I'm just saying it's not like he writes the high-energy rock n' roll songs by accident and thinks "oh well, I can't sing that, I'll put it on the shelf in case Oasis reform". He writes for what he's planning to release. |
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 2, 2024 13:38:40 GMT -5
I don't think Noel had a huge amount of confidence in Liam's voice after SOTSOG, he basically just gave him rockers to sing. I suspect the range of solo songs Liam has done in recent years will have impressed Noel a fair bit and he'd be more comfortable to have him sing all but one or two songs on a new album.
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Post by bathqueen on Oct 2, 2024 14:06:46 GMT -5
I think anyone who plays some guitar can assure you - writing a 1:59 minutes long tune like 'Sitting Here In Silence On My Own', probably took Noel around 1:59 minutes.
The guy has written SOOOO many amazing songs, how many chord sequences and melodies do you think he can come up with in 2024? by 2000 he was already super recycling himself - and if you never noticed how much 'Who Feels Love' resembles 'Hey Now' - now might be a good time to accept how drained out musically Noel is.
Now that the tour has expended and probably will expend even more - i really hope they will save their energies for the gigs, and won't waste them in the studio. this tour is probably going to be hard enough for them - so adding to that potential fighting about songwriting credits \ choosing producer and waisting time on rehearsing new songs just to get something like 'Get Off Your High Horse Lady'?
Nah....
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 2, 2024 14:24:42 GMT -5
I think anyone who plays some guitar can assure you - writing a 1:59 minutes long tune like 'Sitting Here In Silence On My Own', probably took Noel around 1:59 minutes. The guy has written SOOOO many amazing songs, how many chord sequences and melodies do you think he can come up with in 2024? by 2000 he was already super recycling himself - and if you never noticed how much 'Who Feels Love' resembles 'Hey Now' - now might be a good time to accept how drained out musically Noel is. Now that the tour has expended and probably will expend even more - i really hope they will save their energies for the gigs, and won't waste them in the studio. this tour is probably going to be hard enough for them - so adding to that potential fighting about songwriting credits \ choosing producer and waisting time on rehearsing new songs just to get something like 'Get Off Your High Horse Lady'? Nah.... Judging Noel's inspiration by his desert-year of 2000 doesn't amount to much. Nor does picking out the weaker tracks he selected for albums when having stronger material still at the back of the proverbial sock drawer. His solo career has contained many fresh, inspired, compelling releases. What we've learned about Noel after three decades, though, is that he thrives on confidence; he was unsure of himself from '99-04, and released a lot of gash in that time. He was confident from '93-98 and from 2011-2019, and released a lot of brilliance then. My worry is that coming off his divorce and landing in a re-union I'm not 100% sure he feels passionate about, any material he might write for it would be more "She is Love" than "She Taught Me How to Fly". But if he does back himself, a NGHFB-tier record sung by Liam is possible, and that would do very nicely. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 2, 2024 15:15:06 GMT -5
I really wonder how Liam feels about songwriting. Was Little James released because Liam wanted it? Or because Noel's insecurity about writing songs? Liam said at times that he didn't want to sing somebody's else's songs for the rest of his life, but was that real? Or because of the decision of Noel that LAG could/should contribute to the latter albums, was that the story they went with. We know that nowadays, Liam doesn't care about songwriting anymore. Their dad must have been a terrible DJ by the way, because they never choose the right songs. The others started writing songs considered for release because Noel was no longer shitting out gold nuggets on the regular |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 2, 2024 15:18:27 GMT -5
Noel may have songs, but does Liam want to sing them? That's the crux of it for me. Noel was getting interviewed recently, maybe by Matt Martin on the podcast?, and he was talking about Pretty Boy and how it would never fly on an Oasis record because Liam wouldn't have it. And the opinions of the Liam crowd on here pretty much confirm that. I can see a new Oasis album alienating half the crowd of oasis or never getting off the ground because of Noel bringing songs that aren't 'oasis' enough or having another shit album ruined by only being able to have 'oasis' songs like Ain't Got Nothin' or Nature of Reality-esque instead of decent songs. I really don't see how they do an album together anymore. I don't really see Noel going back to the Oasis songwriting 'box' he was 'stuck' in when he left. We won't really know until they actually start speaking to the press once all the gigs are sold. Just seems weird, but he did have that disc of old oasis tunes that were never used that he found. Maybe that's it. That might be the way to go. The defiant rock record could sound like anything knowing Noel and we have no idea what Liam would think of them at this stage. So much is still unknown for anything to be certain except some gigs are being played. I would expect more compromise these days. If not it would show they're both thick as mince. Unless Noel goes Venga Boys I can't see Liam vetoing an album full of songs. I'm still not sure we'll get a record |
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Post by walkersafc on Oct 2, 2024 16:10:18 GMT -5
Noel may have songs, but does Liam want to sing them? That's the crux of it for me. Noel was getting interviewed recently, maybe by Matt Martin on the podcast?, and he was talking about Pretty Boy and how it would never fly on an Oasis record because Liam wouldn't have it. And the opinions of the Liam crowd on here pretty much confirm that. I can see a new Oasis album alienating half the crowd of oasis or never getting off the ground because of Noel bringing songs that aren't 'oasis' enough or having another shit album ruined by only being able to have 'oasis' songs like Ain't Got Nothin' or Nature of Reality-esque instead of decent songs. I really don't see how they do an album together anymore. I don't really see Noel going back to the Oasis songwriting 'box' he was 'stuck' in when he left. We won't really know until they actually start speaking to the press once all the gigs are sold. Just seems weird, but he did have that disc of old oasis tunes that were never used that he found. Maybe that's it. That might be the way to go. The defiant rock record could sound like anything knowing Noel and we have no idea what Liam would think of them at this stage. So much is still unknown for anything to be certain except some gigs are being played. You say that but Easy Now is basically an Oasis song. Noel even admitted he would play things to David Holmes that david holmes didn’t like because they sounded like oasis. Noel just naturally writes oasis sounding songs. We know he started writing an acoustic album so he has some acoustic tracks he could sing on a new album and liam could sing the rock album ones. We also have Nothing Nowhere written by liam and his song writers. Can’t see Noel wanting to use it but Liams songwriters will know they will make more off royalties on an oasis album than a liam solo.. so there is songs to put out there |
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Post by Terrasolo on Oct 2, 2024 16:18:06 GMT -5
I have a feeling he has a few tunes that would be perfect for Oasis, in fact I remember before Liam started a solo career, he offered to give him a few songs that he had ready - I'm sure knowing full well that Liam would not ask for them. But I do believe that Noel still has a song book, and has unfinished songs, or even complete songs that await their day in the sunshine. However, I more so believe that all of those times he said over the last 15 years, that when he writes a song that sounds a bit Oasis, he starts over, I think he simply means that he finds a way to play or rewrite the tune to sound less Oasis and use it like that. So no, I'm doubtful that he had a full Oasis album ready to go. That said, I do think that he has a magic gift to take songs at the ready and make them either Oasis, or NGHFBs, so who knows. I'm not convinced that offer was particularly genuine. And the question should always be asked that if a song is unfinished, why is it unfinished? I'm not pointing this at you specifically, I just think there's a bit of wishful thinking happening. I don't disagree on either point, to be honest, but he has said that Lock all the Doors was unfinished for years. He used the verses from it for an Oasis song, then used the replacement verses for I think the Chemical brothers, before finally finding one he was happy with for HFBs. So unfinished songs do not equate to bad songs, they are literally works in progress. So hits come to him all in one go, while others too care and time. He likes to say that he wrote many songs on the train, and I believe that he did, just not all in one go. I also believe that he may have had songs that he well knew would better suit Liam's voice, even if the offer wasn't genuine. Not that the couldn't just change the key for himself to sing them. |
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Post by dadrocker on Oct 2, 2024 16:18:41 GMT -5
Noel may have songs, but does Liam want to sing them? That's the crux of it for me. Noel was getting interviewed recently, maybe by Matt Martin on the podcast?, and he was talking about Pretty Boy and how it would never fly on an Oasis record because Liam wouldn't have it. And the opinions of the Liam crowd on here pretty much confirm that. I can see a new Oasis album alienating half the crowd of oasis or never getting off the ground because of Noel bringing songs that aren't 'oasis' enough or having another shit album ruined by only being able to have 'oasis' songs like Ain't Got Nothin' or Nature of Reality-esque instead of decent songs. I really don't see how they do an album together anymore. I don't really see Noel going back to the Oasis songwriting 'box' he was 'stuck' in when he left. We won't really know until they actually start speaking to the press once all the gigs are sold. Just seems weird, but he did have that disc of old oasis tunes that were never used that he found. Maybe that's it. That might be the way to go. The defiant rock record could sound like anything knowing Noel and we have no idea what Liam would think of them at this stage. If not it would show they're both thick as mince. Unless Noel goes Venga Boys I can't see Liam vetoing an album full of songs. |
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Post by dadrocker on Oct 2, 2024 16:19:22 GMT -5
Noel may have songs, but does Liam want to sing them? That's the crux of it for me. Noel was getting interviewed recently, maybe by Matt Martin on the podcast?, and he was talking about Pretty Boy and how it would never fly on an Oasis record because Liam wouldn't have it. And the opinions of the Liam crowd on here pretty much confirm that. I can see a new Oasis album alienating half the crowd of oasis or never getting off the ground because of Noel bringing songs that aren't 'oasis' enough or having another shit album ruined by only being able to have 'oasis' songs like Ain't Got Nothin' or Nature of Reality-esque instead of decent songs. I really don't see how they do an album together anymore. I don't really see Noel going back to the Oasis songwriting 'box' he was 'stuck' in when he left. We won't really know until they actually start speaking to the press once all the gigs are sold. Just seems weird, but he did have that disc of old oasis tunes that were never used that he found. Maybe that's it. That might be the way to go. The defiant rock record could sound like anything knowing Noel and we have no idea what Liam would think of them at this stage. So much is still unknown for anything to be certain except some gigs are being played. You say that but Easy Now is basically an Oasis song. True, and he got the most flack for it on the last record! |
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Post by headshrank on Oct 2, 2024 17:43:30 GMT -5
if this album did eventually come to fruition, do we think we could see a release of eh la?
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 3, 2024 2:14:05 GMT -5
if this album did eventually come to fruition, do we think we could see a release of eh la? God no. Even for Liam's songwriting that was awful. |
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