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Post by notsally on Oct 5, 2024 13:57:47 GMT -5
can we focus now on announcing south america? i can't stand the wait any longer!!!!!!! Probably next month and tickets on sale within a week, just like it happened this time. it seems like south america will have to wait a little longer, australia's next! i hope it doesn't take a whole month this time and it's announced within a week or 2 after australia. |
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Post by marqueemoon on Oct 5, 2024 14:19:50 GMT -5
So htf do you get tickets now? The resellers can’t sell until the week of the shows? I struck out on all U.S. dates, and this is all so confusing. Help an old guy out! Resale will probably be up in a few weeks on ticketmaster. Think it took a week or two for UK resale to start |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 5, 2024 15:06:17 GMT -5
So htf do you get tickets now? The resellers can’t sell until the week of the shows? I struck out on all U.S. dates, and this is all so confusing. Help an old guy out! Resale will probably be up in a few weeks on ticketmaster. Think it took a week or two for UK resale to start yeah I dont think its case of cant sell the tickets I think the code wont generate until week of the show |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Oct 5, 2024 15:07:06 GMT -5
Are tickets resold on Ticketmaster AUTOMATICALLY transferred? Or do you have to hope and pray someone remembers to transfer them in a year from now?
Also, 3 days before the gig is cutting it close for travelers.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 5, 2024 15:12:55 GMT -5
Are tickets resold on Ticketmaster AUTOMATICALLY transferred? Or do you have to hope and pray someone remembers to transfer them in a year from now? Also, 3 days before the gig is cutting it close for travelers. its like a marketplace so as soon as you buy them they become yours and sit in your ticketmaster account as if you bought them when first went on sale. (or thats how worked previously) |
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 5, 2024 15:20:14 GMT -5
Are tickets resold on Ticketmaster AUTOMATICALLY transferred? Or do you have to hope and pray someone remembers to transfer them in a year from now? Also, 3 days before the gig is cutting it close for travelers. its like a marketplace so as soon as you buy them they become yours and sit in your ticketmaster account as if you bought them when first went on sale. (or thats how worked previously) Exactly how it worked for me for Knebworth. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Oct 5, 2024 15:44:14 GMT -5
Are tickets resold on Ticketmaster AUTOMATICALLY transferred? Or do you have to hope and pray someone remembers to transfer them in a year from now? Also, 3 days before the gig is cutting it close for travelers. its like a marketplace so as soon as you buy them they become yours and sit in your ticketmaster account as if you bought them when first went on sale. (or thats how worked previously) Sorry I’m asking if they automatically transfer 3 days before the gig? So if I bought an official ticket tomorrow; does the seller have to remember and manually transfer it in 12 months from now?? |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 5, 2024 15:45:45 GMT -5
its like a marketplace so as soon as you buy them they become yours and sit in your ticketmaster account as if you bought them when first went on sale. (or thats how worked previously) Sorry I’m asking if they automatically transfer 3 days before the gig? So if I bought an official ticket tomorrow; does the seller have to remember and manually transfer it in 12 months from now?? they transfer automatically the second you buy them. ticket master gives the seller your money and ticket master transfers the ticket to your account The 3 days thing is sort of irrelevant basically every ones QR code for their ticket stays greyed out until 3 days before the gig |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 5, 2024 15:55:01 GMT -5
Still don’t see how they can control the secondary market (shouldn’t that be illegal in itself…?).
It would be a huge disaster if Oasis voided thousands of tickets at each venue…. I hate the mistake I made, but it may work out. The not knowing is the hard part.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 5, 2024 16:08:00 GMT -5
Still don’t see how they can control the secondary market (shouldn’t that be illegal in itself…?). It would be a huge disaster if Oasis voided thousands of tickets at each venue…. I hate the mistake I made, but it may work out. The not knowing is the hard part. I would think you should be ok (in theory) what the other poster said yesterday (sorry cant remember their name) that the tickets on ticket centre etc arent fake etc they are from season ticket holders from the venues who get option to buy gig tickets in pre sales (this happens at football clubs here at when a gig at their stadium) So think will be down to the Handegg /ball team from those venues who makes the rules for those tickets not oasis or Ticketmaster etc Id think obv tickets from ticketmaster hitting the secondary market could be a different story |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2024 16:15:46 GMT -5
Are tickets resold on Ticketmaster AUTOMATICALLY transferred? Or do you have to hope and pray someone remembers to transfer them in a year from now? Also, 3 days before the gig is cutting it close for travelers. It's not automatic, a human person needs to go into their Ticketmaster account and select the transfer option, then they enter the information that Stubhub or whatever other third party seller gives them about the buyer (you for example) and they enter this information into Ticketmaster. They will remember since Stubhub or whateber platform used send reminders, and they will remember because most people selling on stubhub do this for a living or at least as part of their income |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2024 16:17:58 GMT -5
Are tickets resold on Ticketmaster AUTOMATICALLY transferred? Or do you have to hope and pray someone remembers to transfer them in a year from now? Also, 3 days before the gig is cutting it close for travelers. It's not automatic, a human person needs to go into their Ticketmaster account and select the transfer option, then they enter the information that Stubhub or whatever other third party seller gives them about the buyer (you for example) and they enter this information into Ticketmaster. They will remember since Stubhub or whateber platform used send reminders, and they will remember because most people selling on stubhub do this for a living or at least as part of their income So for example, you buy tickets for Toronto on stubhub today, stubhub can send you anything that want but those tickets are not your yet, the seller has them, stubhub also has your money which they will not release to the seller until after the date of the concert. If on the day of you don't have your transferred tickets, stubhub will try ti find you new ones, if they cant they will refund your money, the seller gets nothing and probably penalized if they are a regular seller. |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 5, 2024 16:21:49 GMT -5
Are tickets resold on Ticketmaster AUTOMATICALLY transferred? Or do you have to hope and pray someone remembers to transfer them in a year from now? Also, 3 days before the gig is cutting it close for travelers. It's not automatic, a human person needs to go into their Ticketmaster account and select the transfer option, then they enter the information that Stubhub or whatever other third party seller gives them about the buyer (you for example) and they enter this information into Ticketmaster. They will remember since Stubhub or whateber platform used send reminders, and they will remember because most people selling on stubhub do this for a living or at least as part of their income they arent talking about 3rd party reseller they are talking about the official ticket master resell which are automatic From what you saying shows why much safer as will be face value and automatic |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2024 16:28:17 GMT -5
It's not automatic, a human person needs to go into their Ticketmaster account and select the transfer option, then they enter the information that Stubhub or whatever other third party seller gives them about the buyer (you for example) and they enter this information into Ticketmaster. They will remember since Stubhub or whateber platform used send reminders, and they will remember because most people selling on stubhub do this for a living or at least as part of their income they arent talking about 3rd party reseller they are talking about the official ticket master resell which are automatic From what you saying shows why much safer as will be face value and automatic Ah got it, yes inside the TM platform is immediate. You put the tickets for sale, someone buys them and TM automatically sends the tickets to them, done and done! |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 5, 2024 16:47:06 GMT -5
Also, please tell me how they would know the tickets were bought on a secondary market anyway? I think Oasis are just saying that to promote the two sponsored organizations (Twickets, TM) and nothing more.
Again, turning away thousands of people at each venue would be a total disaster. Imagine the scenes outside the stadiums, and the PR disaster that would ensue. I paid for a ticket to see the show, how dare they tell me it’s void because I didn’t buy from their promoters…. That’s ridiculous.
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 5, 2024 16:53:55 GMT -5
Also, please tell me how they would know the tickets were bought on a secondary market anyway? I think Oasis are just saying that to promote the two sponsored organizations (Twickets, TM) and nothing more. guess the easiest way would be to ask for ID at the gates or Ask for ID for any tickets transfered not within TM market place or twickets. but realistically nothing Im sure its a 'gesture' vs something that will be enforced but all these gestures to stop out and out touting just for profit is defo welcome in my view and a tour thats already sold ~2 million tickets raising some sort of awareness is good Just saw you edit obv sure that not happen but its not like it wasnt advertised time and time again you can not buy from 3rd parties so (sorry) more fool those people who think 'the rules dont apply to me' |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2024 17:31:48 GMT -5
Also, please tell me how they would know the tickets were bought on a secondary market anyway? I think Oasis are just saying that to promote the two sponsored organizations (Twickets, TM) and nothing more. guess the easiest way would be to ask for ID at the gates or Ask for ID for any tickets transfered not within TM market place or twickets. but realistically nothing Im sure its a 'gesture' vs something that will be enforced but all these gestures to stop out and out touting just for profit is defo welcome in my view and a tour thats already sold ~2 million tickets raising some sort of awareness is good Just saw you edit obv sure that not happen but its not like it wasnt advertised time and time again you can not buy from 3rd parties so (sorry) more fool those people who think 'the rules dont apply to me' They can know but won't, and they are not going to ask for ID simply because just about anyone can say: my friend bought it for me. Same thing happened with BTS a couple years ago and with the Taylor Swift eras tour, a lot of ticket holders were underage so their parents bought the tickets for them, impossible to ask a 16 yo for ID matching the name of the account holder on Ticketmaster, not to mention the logistical nightmare of doing this for thousands of people waiting in line, the concert would effectively be over and by the time they reach half the line, if that. So far it's a lot of fearmongering going around, saying your tickets are invalid, don't buy in third party sites, etc., most likely everyone that bought a ticket will be fine and will be enter the venues without a problem. Some might get scammed but that's because they really fudged up and bought from a scammy site, but regular sites like stubhub are good. Stubhub is almost as big as Ticketmaster and in the US a ton of people use stubhub just as easy as Ticketmaster. |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 5, 2024 17:44:10 GMT -5
guess the easiest way would be to ask for ID at the gates or Ask for ID for any tickets transfered not within TM market place or twickets. but realistically nothing Im sure its a 'gesture' vs something that will be enforced but all these gestures to stop out and out touting just for profit is defo welcome in my view and a tour thats already sold ~2 million tickets raising some sort of awareness is good Just saw you edit obv sure that not happen but its not like it wasnt advertised time and time again you can not buy from 3rd parties so (sorry) more fool those people who think 'the rules dont apply to me' They can know but won't, and they are not going to ask for ID simply because just about anyone can say: my friend bought it for me. Same thing happened with BTS a couple years ago and with the Taylor Swift eras tour, a lot of ticket holders were underage so their parents bought the tickets for them, impossible to ask a 16 yo for ID matching the name of the account holder on Ticketmaster, not to mention the logistical nightmare of doing this for thousands of people waiting in line, the concert would effectively be over and by the time they reach half the line, if that. So far it's a lot of fearmongering going around, saying your tickets are invalid, don't buy in third party sites, etc., most likely everyone that bought a ticket will be fine and will be enter the venues without a problem. Some might get scammed but that's because they really fudged up and bought from a scammy site, but regular sites like stubhub are good. Stubhub is almost as big as Ticketmaster and in the US a ton of people use stubhub just as easy as Ticketmaster. think the point of the fear mongering is to push people who need to sell a ticket to do it ethically.. If you buy something you can't use / dont want then send it back and get the Money you paid back from the retailer... think in u.s you might get a small 'restocking fee' on some refunds Thats what official ticketmaster market place (think thats no charge you get Money back) twickets (small fee) basically trying to emulate The buyers is 100% protected and paying the same or basically the same as would if bought on day 1 of sales. most 3rd party sites are just people trying to make money for nothing which cool you do you. But if the narrative of face value sales or very near too (at end of day costs to process money/ run sites etc) thats the way it should be way . If this process was wildly adopted they'd be no need for stub hub and people would be able to buy tickets much much cheaper |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2024 17:47:58 GMT -5
They can know but won't, and they are not going to ask for ID simply because just about anyone can say: my friend bought it for me. Same thing happened with BTS a couple years ago and with the Taylor Swift eras tour, a lot of ticket holders were underage so their parents bought the tickets for them, impossible to ask a 16 yo for ID matching the name of the account holder on Ticketmaster, not to mention the logistical nightmare of doing this for thousands of people waiting in line, the concert would effectively be over and by the time they reach half the line, if that. So far it's a lot of fearmongering going around, saying your tickets are invalid, don't buy in third party sites, etc., most likely everyone that bought a ticket will be fine and will be enter the venues without a problem. Some might get scammed but that's because they really fudged up and bought from a scammy site, but regular sites like stubhub are good. Stubhub is almost as big as Ticketmaster and in the US a ton of people use stubhub just as easy as Ticketmaster. think the point of the fear mongering is to push people who need to sell a ticket to do it ethically.. If you buy something you can't use / dont want then send it back and get the Money you paid back from the retailer... think in u.s you might get a small 'restocking fee' on some refunds Thats what official ticketmaster market place (think thats no charge you get Money back) twickets (small fee) basically trying to emulate The buyers is 100% protected and paying the same or basically the same as would if bought on day 1 of sales. most 3rd party sites are just people trying to make money for nothing which cool you do you. But if the narrative of face value sales or very near too (at end of day costs to process money/ run sites etc) thats the way it should be way . If this process was wildly adopted they'd be no need for stub hub and people would be able to buy tickets much much cheaper I agree entirely, all I'm saying is most people buying third party will get in, and most of the announcements from the band or Ticketmaster are just trying to get people to use their sites for official reselling, because they want the business for themselves. Remember that Stubhub and Ticketmaster are direct competitors. Reselling is so unstoppable that even for the very very very few events that do not open the Transfer option, the "professional" resellers know in advance and create new ticketmaster accounts, buy the tickets and when a customer "buys" the ticket they send the entire account, username and password. |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 5, 2024 17:54:23 GMT -5
think the point of the fear mongering is to push people who need to sell a ticket to do it ethically.. If you buy something you can't use / dont want then send it back and get the Money you paid back from the retailer... think in u.s you might get a small 'restocking fee' on some refunds Thats what official ticketmaster market place (think thats no charge you get Money back) twickets (small fee) basically trying to emulate The buyers is 100% protected and paying the same or basically the same as would if bought on day 1 of sales. most 3rd party sites are just people trying to make money for nothing which cool you do you. But if the narrative of face value sales or very near too (at end of day costs to process money/ run sites etc) thats the way it should be way . If this process was wildly adopted they'd be no need for stub hub and people would be able to buy tickets much much cheaper I agree entirely, all I'm saying is most people buying third party will get in, and most of the announcements from the band or Ticketmaster are just trying to get people to use their sites for official reselling, because they want the business for themselves. Remember that Stubhub and Ticketmaster are direct competitors. Reselling is so unstoppable that even for the very very very few events that do not open the Transfer option, the "professional" resellers know in advance and create new ticketmaster accounts, buy the tickets and when a customer "buys" the ticket they send the entire account, username and password. tickets master arent making much profit from the market place tho as they are face value sales (guess a minimum charge) vs stub hub who take a % id guess from an already overly inflated price so surely for the consumer TM is the better option Ticketmaster already make their profit from the original sale then stub hub have to make their profit from the end consumer so that person has to have had paid massively over face value for the seller and stub hub to make any profit .. so surely TM trying to control this can only be a good thing |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2024 18:05:22 GMT -5
I agree entirely, all I'm saying is most people buying third party will get in, and most of the announcements from the band or Ticketmaster are just trying to get people to use their sites for official reselling, because they want the business for themselves. Remember that Stubhub and Ticketmaster are direct competitors. Reselling is so unstoppable that even for the very very very few events that do not open the Transfer option, the "professional" resellers know in advance and create new ticketmaster accounts, buy the tickets and when a customer "buys" the ticket they send the entire account, username and password. tickets master arent making much profit from the market place tho as they are face value sales (guess a minimum charge) vs stub hub who take a % id guess from an already overly inflated price so surely for the consumer TM is the better option Ticketmaster already make their profit from the original sale then stub hub have to make their profit from the end consumer so that person has to have had paid massively over face value for the seller and stub hub to make any profit .. so surely TM trying to control this can only be a good thing Ticketmaster is not making anything of the resell... right now.. but who knows in the future. Right now they want to get as much people as possible using this service instead of going to Stubhub and other sites, and since Ticketmaster is not used (in the resell market I mean) compared to Stubhub, they are being generous to the customer buying tickets. Stubhub takes a lot, like ALOT, in their sales though, for a regular ticket let's say original value was $100, and the seller lists it for $200, Stubhub charges you the buyer $220 and gives the seller $180, so they make their bread coming and going. So of course for the consumer, today, Ticketmaster is the better option. Problem is ticketmaster right now only allows seller to list for face value, so if you make your living reselling tickets, you're not gonna use Ticketmaster. Resellers go to Stubhub and list the tickets for as much as they think they can make. Stubhub guarantees the buyers their purchase by basically only paying the seller after the event has passed and the customer used the ticket, so resellers have to play nice or they don't get paid. Regarding your last sentence, I don't think Ticketmaster having more control is a good thing. It's bad enough as it is with them being the defacto place to list tickets, imagine if they also got a hold of the reseller market. Technology is moving way too fast for the laws and their enforcement, by the time politicians finish up discussing the latest Ticketmaster drama, new technology will allow a new type of resell to exist. |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 5, 2024 18:19:57 GMT -5
tickets master arent making much profit from the market place tho as they are face value sales (guess a minimum charge) vs stub hub who take a % id guess from an already overly inflated price so surely for the consumer TM is the better option Ticketmaster already make their profit from the original sale then stub hub have to make their profit from the end consumer so that person has to have had paid massively over face value for the seller and stub hub to make any profit .. so surely TM trying to control this can only be a good thing Ticketmaster is not making anything of the resell... right now.. but who knows in the future. Right now they want to get as much people as possible using this service instead of going to Stubhub and other sites, and since Ticketmaster is not used (in the resell market I mean) compared to Stubhub, they are being generous to the customer buying tickets. Stubhub takes a lot, like ALOT, in their sales though, for a regular ticket let's say original value was $100, and the seller lists it for $200, Stubhub charges you the buyer $220 and gives the seller $180, so they make their bread coming and going. So of course for the consumer, today, Ticketmaster is the better option. Problem is ticketmaster right now only allows seller to list for face value, so if you make your living reselling tickets, you're not gonna use Ticketmaster. Resellers go to Stubhub and list the tickets for as much as they think they can make. Stubhub guarantees the buyers their purchase by basically only paying the seller after the event has passed and the customer used the ticket, so resellers have to play nice or they don't get paid. Regarding your last sentence, I don't think Ticketmaster having more control is a good thing. It's bad enough as it is with them being the defacto place to list tickets, imagine if they also got a hold of the reseller market. Technology is moving way too fast for the laws and their enforcement, by the time politicians finish up discussing the latest Ticketmaster drama, new technology will allow a new type of resell to exist. our posts merged. I just cant see how the problem with ticketmaster is that if you make living selling tickets makes ticketmaster a problem .. the person making a living from taking tickets from fans to make profit off is the problem to me |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 5, 2024 18:31:10 GMT -5
Ticketmaster is not making anything of the resell... right now.. but who knows in the future. Right now they want to get as much people as possible using this service instead of going to Stubhub and other sites, and since Ticketmaster is not used (in the resell market I mean) compared to Stubhub, they are being generous to the customer buying tickets. Stubhub takes a lot, like ALOT, in their sales though, for a regular ticket let's say original value was $100, and the seller lists it for $200, Stubhub charges you the buyer $220 and gives the seller $180, so they make their bread coming and going. So of course for the consumer, today, Ticketmaster is the better option. Problem is ticketmaster right now only allows seller to list for face value, so if you make your living reselling tickets, you're not gonna use Ticketmaster. Resellers go to Stubhub and list the tickets for as much as they think they can make. Stubhub guarantees the buyers their purchase by basically only paying the seller after the event has passed and the customer used the ticket, so resellers have to play nice or they don't get paid. Regarding your last sentence, I don't think Ticketmaster having more control is a good thing. It's bad enough as it is with them being the defacto place to list tickets, imagine if they also got a hold of the reseller market. Technology is moving way too fast for the laws and their enforcement, by the time politicians finish up discussing the latest Ticketmaster drama, new technology will allow a new type of resell to exist. our posts merged. I just cant see how the problem with ticketmaster is that if you make living selling tickets makes ticketmaster a problem .. the person making a living from taking tickets from fans to make profit off is the problem to me Why? It’s literal capitalism. And simple supply/demand economics. Ticketmaster trying to act as a monopoly is the problem in my eyes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2024 18:37:36 GMT -5
Ticketmaster is not making anything of the resell... right now.. but who knows in the future. Right now they want to get as much people as possible using this service instead of going to Stubhub and other sites, and since Ticketmaster is not used (in the resell market I mean) compared to Stubhub, they are being generous to the customer buying tickets. Stubhub takes a lot, like ALOT, in their sales though, for a regular ticket let's say original value was $100, and the seller lists it for $200, Stubhub charges you the buyer $220 and gives the seller $180, so they make their bread coming and going. So of course for the consumer, today, Ticketmaster is the better option. Problem is ticketmaster right now only allows seller to list for face value, so if you make your living reselling tickets, you're not gonna use Ticketmaster. Resellers go to Stubhub and list the tickets for as much as they think they can make. Stubhub guarantees the buyers their purchase by basically only paying the seller after the event has passed and the customer used the ticket, so resellers have to play nice or they don't get paid. Regarding your last sentence, I don't think Ticketmaster having more control is a good thing. It's bad enough as it is with them being the defacto place to list tickets, imagine if they also got a hold of the reseller market. Technology is moving way too fast for the laws and their enforcement, by the time politicians finish up discussing the latest Ticketmaster drama, new technology will allow a new type of resell to exist. our posts merged. I just cant see how the problem with ticketmaster is that if you make living selling tickets makes ticketmaster a problem .. the person making a living from taking tickets from fans to make profit off is the problem to me Careful there, I never said Ticketmaster was bad because they don't allow people to make a living reselling tickets. I'm not defending resellers, I just don't get bent out of shape like others (not you) when talking about this issue. I only used an example of a reseller to make a point as to why sites like Stubhub exist in the first place. Reselling will never end, not as long as there is a demand. Any demand for a good or service creates someone willing to fulfill it. Sometimes legally, sometimes not. But I do believe that giving Ticketmaster more power than it already has cannot be a good thing. There is no solution on this topic because artists or sporting events are localized and finite in time. Oasis can't play 8 nights in Soldier Field and then play another 6 in Dallas, and then 4 in Seattle and then 5 in Atlanta. If they did, supply would exceed demand and tickets would be dirt cheap. Like I said previously, even events that explicitly prohibit transferring and reselling tickets are not immune to resellers. And we might see a ticket only makes a reseller $50 in profit, but if it's part of an organization that bought 1000 tickets, that's 50K in profit out of one single event, on one day, on one location. There's events every day, everywhere, for all kinds of things, sporting events, music events, theater, museums, movies, amusement parks (Disney for example), comedy shows, circus or other performance shows, zoos, museums, gun shows, air shows, lectures or conferences, horse races, nascar or other motosports, charity events, fashion events, haunted houses, exclusive parties, wine tasting courses, culture festivals, professional or networking events, political rallies, pet competitions, gaming!!!! that one is huge I can't believe I didn't think about it sooner, escape rooms, podcast events (there was a mini market for buying tickets to go see Bill Simmons late last year or early this year in Chicago), etc. |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 5, 2024 18:37:42 GMT -5
our posts merged. I just cant see how the problem with ticketmaster is that if you make living selling tickets makes ticketmaster a problem .. the person making a living from taking tickets from fans to make profit off is the problem to me Why? It’s literal capitalism. And simple supply/demand economics. Ticketmaster trying to act as a monopoly is the problem in my eyes. the demand is the same .. do you think the ticket demand will be less if you have to buy resale tickets face value of ticket master vs an overly inflated price on stub hub? it just profiteering. You literally bought a ticket from a 3rd party who bought a ticket just to profit off you wanting to go. If you are happy with that cool happy you got your tickets |
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