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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Feb 22, 2024 16:40:49 GMT -5
In this video there is a clear example of what the year 2000 represented for me with SOTSOG... I'm referring to Liam's voice
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Post by Marissa on Feb 22, 2024 21:23:17 GMT -5
love this thread, love this era, LOVE this album
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 23, 2024 4:54:12 GMT -5
Top of the pops (TOTP) performances Go Let It Out Who Feels Love Sunday Morning Call The YouTube video says was broadcast on 14th July 2000. The dates on the TOTP archive site show the Studio performances of Sunday morning call (full band or acoustic) were broadcast on 29th May, 30th June and 14th July totparchive.co.uk/artist.php?id=3012 This full band performance looks like it was recorded at the same time as the Sunday morning call acoustic version with Noel, Gem and Zeb Jamison which oasis-live.net says was broadcast on 22nd May 2000. I would imagine it was recorded between 9th and 16th May 2000, after they returned from the American leg of the tour and went back out for dates in Europe. It certainly couldn’t have been recorded in the days before the 22nd as Liam and Noel had the big fight in Barcelona on 20th May 2000. It says it was recorded in Glasgow, Scotland but IIRC the main show was broadcast in Glasgow possibly in an arena sized venue and the oasis bit was pre recorded, it wasn’t from the same show in Glasgow. On this full band performance of Sunday Morning Call the band were using different instruments that were not used on the SOTSOG tour, I’m guessing their tour instruments were being transported across Europe for the next set of gigs. It looks like Andy playing the Rickenbacker bass from the GLIO video, Noel is playing his Red ES-355 which was unusual at the time, he didn’t use it regularly until 2002 and Gem playing a Gibson SG Custom from the WDIAGW video. Noel played this SG during the first night at Maine Road 1996 to play Cum On Feel the Noize (Info provided by carlober) I’m no drummer but Alan is using a different kit to the one he used on the tour. |
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Post by andymorris on Feb 23, 2024 7:03:09 GMT -5
"There's no killer single". Go Let It Out is there ! It was huge back then, watched the video thousans of times with noel playing bass
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Feb 23, 2024 7:15:43 GMT -5
"There's no killer single". Go Let It Out is there ! It was huge back then, watched the video thousans of times with noel playing bass Artists are often extremely critical towards their own work and opinions can change over time. I guess Noel liked Go Let It Out more in the past during SOTSOG and HC tours. It's a bit confusing because NGHFB also played it in 2018. I saw them live and it was played faster than the album or previous live versions. |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 23, 2024 12:05:04 GMT -5
SOTSOG album influences and inspired by
Can anyone add to this list?
• Fucking in the bushes
Drums from Jimi Hendrix - Little Miss Liver (BBC Sessions)
Led Zeppelin's Immigrant Song
The Spencer Davis Group - I’m a man.
Hammond organ parts
• Go Let It Out
The Beta Band - Inner meet me or She’s the one. (After 1:08) driving acoustic guitar.
Johnny Jenkins - I walk on guilded splinters. Where the drum loop is taken from.
The Beatles - Strawberry Fields. Mellotron part
Lyrics from A Bag of Tools R L Sharpe
“Isn't it strange how princes and kings,
and clowns that caper in sawdust rings,
and common people, like you and me,
are builders for eternity?”
• Who Feels Love
The Beatles - Dear Prudence
Thunderclap Newman - Something in the Air
The Beatles - Rain
• Put your money where you mouth is
The Doors - Roadhouse blues
• Little James
The Beatles - Hey Jude
George Harrison style solo
• Gas Panic
Sample at the start, not sure where it’s from.
Lyrics from Oscar Wilde, Oscar Wilde: Complete Poems
What songless, tongueless ghost of sin
Crept through the curtains of the night
And saw my taper burning bright,
And knocked and bade you enter in?
• Where Did It All Go Wrong?
Paul Weller - Sunflower
• Sunday Morning Call
• I Can See A Liar
Led Zeppelin
AC/DC
Sex Pistols
The Who - Pictures of Lilly
• Roll It Over
Pink Floyd/Dave Gilmore style solo
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Post by asimarx on Feb 23, 2024 12:25:19 GMT -5
• I Can See A Liar Led Zeppelin I remember a Noel interview from that time in which he referred to AC/DC's Whole Lotta Rosie as an influence on the riff. |
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 23, 2024 14:48:30 GMT -5
"There's no killer single". Go Let It Out is there ! It was huge back then, watched the video thousans of times with noel playing bass As great as Go Let It Out is it wasn't a killer single in the vein of RNR Star, Some Might Say or even Lyla, that is a problem with SOTSOG, no killer single material, americans "didn't get it" I guess. To think that Who Feels Love? was supposed to be the main ballad of the album, I mean, it's not Wonderwall neither Stand By Me, also Sunday Morning Call definitely no DLBIA either, in terms of popular appeal I mean. You can definitely see why SOTSOG wasn't as successfull as the 3 preceding albums, it worried Noel at the time I guess, so he started to write singles material again on both HC and DBTT. |
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Post by andymorris on Feb 24, 2024 1:38:51 GMT -5
"There's no killer single". Go Let It Out is there ! It was huge back then, watched the video thousans of times with noel playing bass As great as Go Let It Out is it wasn't a killer single in the vein of RNR Star, Some Might Say or even Lyla, that is a problem with SOTSOG, no killer single material, americans "didn't get it" I guess. To think that Who Feels Love? was supposed to be the main ballad of the album, I mean, it's not Wonderwall neither Stand By Me, also Sunday Morning Call definitely no DLBIA either, in terms of popular appeal I mean. You can definitely see why SOTSOG wasn't as successfull as the 3 preceding albums, it worried Noel at the time I guess, so he started to write singles material again on both HC and DBTT. Of course it didnt have the same level as the first two. But its hard to keep that level of success. But having been a lot into that era gig wise, i can assure you Oasis was not failing. Maybe in the media (and even that? They were literally everywhere), but at gigs, the frenzy was there. It was a good time HC too. the downfall really began with DBTT. Not the same passion at gigs. Both audience and the band. Lyla was probably their last "big" single. |
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Feb 24, 2024 5:58:42 GMT -5
As great as Go Let It Out is it wasn't a killer single in the vein of RNR Star, Some Might Say or even Lyla, that is a problem with SOTSOG, no killer single material, americans "didn't get it" I guess. To think that Who Feels Love? was supposed to be the main ballad of the album, I mean, it's not Wonderwall neither Stand By Me, also Sunday Morning Call definitely no DLBIA either, in terms of popular appeal I mean. You can definitely see why SOTSOG wasn't as successfull as the 3 preceding albums, it worried Noel at the time I guess, so he started to write singles material again on both HC and DBTT. Of course it didnt have the same level as the first two. But its hard to keep that level of success. But having been a lot into that era gig wise, i can assure you Oasis was not failing. Maybe in the media (and even that? They were literally everywhere), but at gigs, the frenzy was there. It was a good time HC too. the downfall really began with DBTT. Not the same passion at gigs. Both audience and the band. Lyla was probably their last "big" single. The importance of being idle was big, and the album sold more than the previous ones. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Feb 24, 2024 6:07:27 GMT -5
Of course it didnt have the same level as the first two. But its hard to keep that level of success. But having been a lot into that era gig wise, i can assure you Oasis was not failing. Maybe in the media (and even that? They were literally everywhere), but at gigs, the frenzy was there. It was a good time HC too. the downfall really began with DBTT. Not the same passion at gigs. Both audience and the band. Lyla was probably their last "big" single. The importance of being idle was big, and the album sold more than the previous ones. TSOTL would have gone #1 only for the awful idea to have it on radio for about 3 months before you could buy it. The audiences didn’t care about DoYS but it was a less commercial album than DBTT. I love Falling Down but it was never hit material and I’m Out Of Time is basically what you get if you put “Liam Gallagher loves John Lennon” into an AI programme. In hindsight I think the band should have taken a much longer break after DBTT. Probably wait until 2014 and come back with a Definitely Maybe tour. Let the hype and mystique build up. By 2009 anyone who wanted to see oasis has seen them but since then the demand has become massive. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 24, 2024 8:22:21 GMT -5
The importance of being idle was big, and the album sold more than the previous ones. TSOTL would have gone #1 only for the awful idea to have it on radio for about 3 months before you could buy it. The audiences didn’t care about DoYS but it was a less commercial album than DBTT. I love Falling Down but it was never hit material and I’m Out Of Time is basically what you get if you put “Liam Gallagher loves John Lennon” into an AI programme. In hindsight I think the band should have taken a much longer break after DBTT. Probably wait until 2014 and come back with a Definitely Maybe tour. Let the hype and mystique build up. By 2009 anyone who wanted to see oasis has seen them but since then the demand has become massive. It is a shame because TSOTL would have been a CLEAR CUT #1 single. The tides had already changed by 2008. You couldn't drop a single on radio/tv 3 weeks before the sale date and expect to chart high. You will lose momentum and get people bootlegging it like I did at the time. Love the song and it is the type of fast paced, modern feel song I wanted Oasis to start making back in 2000-2002. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 24, 2024 8:24:39 GMT -5
"There's no killer single". Go Let It Out is there ! It was huge back then, watched the video thousans of times with noel playing bass As great as Go Let It Out is it wasn't a killer single in the vein of RNR Star, Some Might Say or even Lyla, that is a problem with SOTSOG, no killer single material, americans "didn't get it" I guess. To think that Who Feels Love? was supposed to be the main ballad of the album, I mean, it's not Wonderwall neither Stand By Me, also Sunday Morning Call definitely no DLBIA either, in terms of popular appeal I mean. You can definitely see why SOTSOG wasn't as successfull as the 3 preceding albums, it worried Noel at the time I guess, so he started to write singles material again on both HC and DBTT. America changed so much from March 1998 (End of the Be Here Now era) to when Oasis returned in January 2000. MTV/VH1 were now dominated by rap metal, pop stars and boy bands. Gone were the Alt rockers like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Oasis, Smashing Pumpkins, etc. It was a new era. Not sure anything Noel made post 1998 would survive in that climate. Maybe Stop Crying Your Heart Out or The Shock of The Lightning if dropped in 2000 but it would be no guarantee. Guitar bands were on the out via those platforms. |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 24, 2024 13:25:07 GMT -5
2002-10-26 What's The Story? BBC Radio 2 Special presented by Mark Radcliffe
The programme features interviews with Noel, Liam, Andy Bell and Gem Archer, as well as interviews with Paul Weller, Richard Ashcroft, and Travis. We also hear from manager Marcus Russell, Steve Lamacq, Paolo Hewitt and Tim Abbot of Creation Records.
At 12:00 the band explain what happened that night at the Pavelló de la Vall d'Hebron, Barcelona where Liam and Noel had a fight and Noel then left the tour.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Feb 24, 2024 13:36:00 GMT -5
TSOTL would have gone #1 only for the awful idea to have it on radio for about 3 months before you could buy it. The audiences didn’t care about DoYS but it was a less commercial album than DBTT. I love Falling Down but it was never hit material and I’m Out Of Time is basically what you get if you put “Liam Gallagher loves John Lennon” into an AI programme. In hindsight I think the band should have taken a much longer break after DBTT. Probably wait until 2014 and come back with a Definitely Maybe tour. Let the hype and mystique build up. By 2009 anyone who wanted to see oasis has seen them but since then the demand has become massive. It is a shame because TSOTL would have been a CLEAR CUT #1 single. The tides had already changed by 2008. You couldn't drop a single on radio/tv 3 weeks before the sale date and expect to chart high. You will lose momentum and get people bootlegging it like I did at the time. Love the song and it is the type of fast paced, modern feel song I wanted Oasis to start making back in 2000-2002. Yes. 2008 was a million miles away from 2005. I feel like the peak of file sharing and album leaks happened in there. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 25, 2024 5:56:45 GMT -5
Anyone posted this yet? Got to say I'd dismissed 'One Way Road' as being very average until I heard Weller's cover of the song. I hadn't really appreciated it until then. I really like the lead guitar and vibe of the original but I think Weller's version is bolder and the chorus feels a little less flat. Good song.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 25, 2024 6:21:20 GMT -5
Oh and whilst I'm here can we appreciate how fuckin' pumping 'Fuckin' In The Bushes' is? Used to great effect in Snatch here (NSFW):
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Post by The Chief on Feb 25, 2024 8:38:54 GMT -5
Oh and whilst I'm here can we appreciate how fuckin' pumping 'Fuckin' In The Bushes' is? Used to great effect in Snatch here (NSFW): It is very cool, however the presence of Jason Statham ruins it as it always does... but yeah that song fits great in this kind of scene. |
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Post by Supersonic on Feb 25, 2024 9:49:27 GMT -5
Remixed Fuckin' In The Bushes!
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Post by carlober on Feb 25, 2024 11:33:04 GMT -5
love this thread, love this era, LOVE this album This is the kind of positivity we want!  |
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Post by Firefly on Feb 25, 2024 13:40:16 GMT -5
Anyone posted this yet? Got to say I'd dismissed 'One Way Road' as being very average until I heard Weller's cover of the song. I hadn't really appreciated it until then. I really like the lead guitar and vibe of the original but I think Weller's version is bolder and the chorus feels a little less flat. Good song. Not feeling the Weller version at all, and I like Weller normally. Noel's version is sparse as it's meant to be with that lonely, old weary soul type vibe. That's what I like about a lot of Noel sung songs. |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 25, 2024 14:35:33 GMT -5
Anyone posted this yet? Got to say I'd dismissed 'One Way Road' as being very average until I heard Weller's cover of the song. I hadn't really appreciated it until then. I really like the lead guitar and vibe of the original but I think Weller's version is bolder and the chorus feels a little less flat. Good song. The beginning of the Oasis version of One Way Road sounds like Noel is using the Hughes and Kettner rotosphere pedal to get the Leslie speaker effect. He used the same pedal on Gas Panic and WFL just on different settings. The only thing I’d add is if Weller thinks it’s a good song and wants to cover it then it must be a good song! |
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Post by yogurt on Feb 25, 2024 14:57:25 GMT -5
The importance of being idle was big, and the album sold more than the previous ones. TSOTL would have gone #1 only for the awful idea to have it on radio for about 3 months before you could buy it TSOTL may not have gone to number 1 anyway. It did reach 3, but the next two singles were as the lowest Oasis had charted in about 14 years. It was pretty much the first Oasis album and singles when downloads started to be counted towards chart positions and probably a new customer base that may not have been loyal fans of artists to the point of going out to buy a CD but were happy to download a popular song with a click. I don't think much coincidence that bands who had the kind of loyal fanbases that used to go out and buy CD's started charting lower with their singles once anyone with a computer could download a popular song they like. Considering Oasis charted lower with their singles at that time than they had in many years, I don't think it was just that the band wasn't as popular in the mainstream, I think it was to do with how music was being consumed. They did pretty well to get a number 3 single, all things considered. Put it this way, Kings Of Leon were number 2 that week with Sex On Fire and number 1 the week before. Oasis were never charting above that song in 2008. That was a monster crossover hit at the time. |
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 25, 2024 15:49:05 GMT -5
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Post by mahsteve on Feb 25, 2024 16:03:35 GMT -5
Art direction by Simon Halfon Photography by Andrew MacPherson The album's artwork features the photo of the Manhattan skyline taken from the rooftop of 500 Fifth Avenue (5th Ave/W 42nd St). Some famous buildings are visible including the Empire State Building in the foreground and the former World Trade Center in the background. To create the cover photo, the photographer captured the same frame every half an hour in 18 hours during the whole day's course; the photos were digitally composited into the final picture. (Source Wikipedia) Simon Halfon discusses his art direction for the band for the oasis podcast podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-oasis-podcast/id1224373139?i=1000469220232 |
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