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Post by Terrasolo on Sept 23, 2023 20:34:40 GMT -5
Interesting, I hadn’t realized that Listen Up was edited. Is it just shorter/longer, or was something else edited? Yeah, Noel removed four bars, at Liam’s suggestion! You can read about it in Noel’s track-by-track interview with the NME from 1998, archived on davidjay ’s excellent site: www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=1038Oh nice! Thanks for the link and info! |
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Post by SallyIsTheMainCharacter on Sept 23, 2023 23:45:40 GMT -5
Interesting, I hadn’t realized that Listen Up was edited. Is it just shorter/longer, or was something else edited? Yeah, Noel removed four bars, at Liam’s suggestion! You can read about it in Noel’s track-by-track interview with the NME from 1998, archived on davidjay’s excellent site: www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=1038Love it, the part Noel going but we are not signing to Sony, we are signing to creation makes me giggle every time |
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Post by mossy on Sept 25, 2023 9:42:25 GMT -5
He did mention the DIV demos relatively recently. Keep burning incense and praying nightly to the reissue gods… 🙏 Do you remember any details what he said when or where? For me, the DIV demos are Oasis' holy grail. Right, there’s this Jeff Slate interview from 2017, just after Moon came out: rockcellarmagazine.com/noel-gallagher-interview-who-built-the-moon-oasis/“Maybe one day, the two things that are left in the vaults, so to speak, are the Death In Vegas record that Oasis made, and the Amorphous Androgynous record I made, back when I was starting out solo … Maybe one day I’ll sit and listen to them, like I did with the Be Here Now outtakes, and it might sound different to me. But as I’m sitting here now, and I’m saying it to you, I’m thinking, ‘No. I’ve got too much material.’ That would waste a fucking year of my life.” That was before the pandemic. I’m sure I’ve heard him mention them again since the pandemic though. He’ll have listened to them when compiling the latter days Oasis best of and rarities album that got scrapped. Struggling to find the interview though Jim, carlober - you aware of any interviews where Noel mentioned the DIV sessions recently, or am I going mad? (They’re not mutually exclusive possibilities mind). 🕺 |
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Post by carlober on Sept 25, 2023 12:06:06 GMT -5
Do you remember any details what he said when or where? For me, the DIV demos are Oasis' holy grail. Right, there’s this Jeff Slate interview from 2017, just after Moon came out: rockcellarmagazine.com/noel-gallagher-interview-who-built-the-moon-oasis/“Maybe one day, the two things that are left in the vaults, so to speak, are the Death In Vegas record that Oasis made, and the Amorphous Androgynous record I made, back when I was starting out solo … Maybe one day I’ll sit and listen to them, like I did with the Be Here Now outtakes, and it might sound different to me. But as I’m sitting here now, and I’m saying it to you, I’m thinking, ‘No. I’ve got too much material.’ That would waste a fucking year of my life.” That was before the pandemic. I’m sure I’ve heard him mention them again since the pandemic though. He’ll have listened to them when compiling the latter days Oasis best of and rarities album that got scrapped. Struggling to find the interview though Jim, carlober - you aware of any interviews where Noel mentioned the DIV sessions recently, or am I going mad? (They’re not mutually exclusive possibilities mind). 🕺 I think I've heard something about the DIIV sessions more recently too. But I could be wrong... I've watched/read too many interviews from all eras in the last couple of months! |
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Post by niftium on Sept 25, 2023 12:22:32 GMT -5
Do you remember any details what he said when or where? For me, the DIV demos are Oasis' holy grail. Right, there’s this Jeff Slate interview from 2017, just after Moon came out: rockcellarmagazine.com/noel-gallagher-interview-who-built-the-moon-oasis/“Maybe one day, the two things that are left in the vaults, so to speak, are the Death In Vegas record that Oasis made, and the Amorphous Androgynous record I made, back when I was starting out solo … Maybe one day I’ll sit and listen to them, like I did with the Be Here Now outtakes, and it might sound different to me. But as I’m sitting here now, and I’m saying it to you, I’m thinking, ‘No. I’ve got too much material.’ That would waste a fucking year of my life.” That was before the pandemic. I’m sure I’ve heard him mention them again since the pandemic though. He’ll have listened to them when compiling the latter days Oasis best of and rarities album that got scrapped. Struggling to find the interview though Jim, carlober - you aware of any interviews where Noel mentioned the DIV sessions recently, or am I going mad? (They’re not mutually exclusive possibilities mind). 🕺 Can't figure out how he thinks it's a waste of a year. On what, promotion? This is the guy who phoned in every bit of the last X months for CS's promo. Also, to add my obligatory reminder: you've only got so many years left, man. Sitting on "too much material" at your age isn't doing you any good. If you're not worried about your legacy anymore, put your money where your mouth is and release AA & DIV. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 25, 2023 13:13:21 GMT -5
Right, there’s this Jeff Slate interview from 2017, just after Moon came out: rockcellarmagazine.com/noel-gallagher-interview-who-built-the-moon-oasis/“Maybe one day, the two things that are left in the vaults, so to speak, are the Death In Vegas record that Oasis made, and the Amorphous Androgynous record I made, back when I was starting out solo … Maybe one day I’ll sit and listen to them, like I did with the Be Here Now outtakes, and it might sound different to me. But as I’m sitting here now, and I’m saying it to you, I’m thinking, ‘No. I’ve got too much material.’ That would waste a fucking year of my life.” That was before the pandemic. I’m sure I’ve heard him mention them again since the pandemic though. He’ll have listened to them when compiling the latter days Oasis best of and rarities album that got scrapped. Struggling to find the interview though Jim, carlober - you aware of any interviews where Noel mentioned the DIV sessions recently, or am I going mad? (They’re not mutually exclusive possibilities mind). 🕺 Can't figure out how he thinks it's a waste of a year. On what, promotion? This is the guy who phoned in every bit of the last X months for CS's promo. Also, to add my obligatory reminder: you've only got so many years left, man. Sitting on "too much material" at your age isn't doing you any good. If you're not worried about your legacy anymore, put your money where your mouth is and release AA & DIV. It would be zero effort for him. As I understand it, for both albums the recording is done, they just need to be mixed. So hand them over to, say, Mark Spike Stent and get him to mix them for you. Then chuck ‘em on reissues, even blue day glow splatter wotsit flavoured ones, and milk some happy fans. Boggles my mind that we got instrumentals on the Best Of bonus disc instead of just one or two AA tracks… 🐄 🥛 |
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Post by dadrocker on Sept 25, 2023 13:55:48 GMT -5
Can't figure out how he thinks it's a waste of a year. On what, promotion? This is the guy who phoned in every bit of the last X months for CS's promo. Also, to add my obligatory reminder: you've only got so many years left, man. Sitting on "too much material" at your age isn't doing you any good. If you're not worried about your legacy anymore, put your money where your mouth is and release AA & DIV. It would be zero effort for him. As I understand it, for both albums the recording is done, they just need to be mixed. So hand them over to, say, Mark Spike Stent and get him to mix them for you. Then chuck ‘em on reissues, even blue day glow splatter wotsit flavoured ones, and milk some happy fans. Boggles my mind that we got instrumentals on the Best Of bonus disc instead of just one or two AA tracks… 🐄 🥛 Yeah but then he'd have to admit he was wrong when everyone loves both... |
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Post by jezza2 on Sept 25, 2023 15:05:16 GMT -5
If they did a live album for The Masterplan, what would your inclusions be?
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Post by fabulousbakers on Sept 25, 2023 15:34:38 GMT -5
...“Maybe one day, the two things that are left in the vaults, so to speak, are the Death In Vegas record that Oasis made, and the Amorphous Androgynous record I made, back when I was starting out solo... I'm guessing that the problem with the unreleased AA stuff is that ultimately Noel simply doesn't like the finished tracks. On the AA stuff we've heard with Noel/Oasis the extra wailing female lead vocals just unbalance everything and are are quite annoying and I suspect that's what could be putting him off releasing any more of this stuff. Noel could easily mix those vocals out I guess but then he risks the AA team being annoyed and complaining. In the end he's decided it's easier just to leave the whole mess locked in the vaults. By the way, has anybody managed to take that AA remix of Falling Down and use some new technology to mix out the annoying female lead vocals? |
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Post by mossy on Sept 25, 2023 16:18:03 GMT -5
...“Maybe one day, the two things that are left in the vaults, so to speak, are the Death In Vegas record that Oasis made, and the Amorphous Androgynous record I made, back when I was starting out solo... I'm guessing that the problem with the unreleased AA stuff is that ultimately Noel simply doesn't like the finished tracks. On the AA stuff we've heard with Noel/Oasis the extra wailing female lead vocals just unbalance everything and are are quite annoying and I suspect that's what could be putting him off releasing any more of this stuff. Noel could easily mix those vocals out I guess but then he risks the AA team being annoyed and complaining. In the end he's decided it's easier just to leave the whole mess locked in the vaults. By the way, has anybody managed to take that AA remix of Falling Down and use some new technology to mix out the annoying female lead vocals? Oh man, at the risk of opening this whole can of worms again, Gaz said several times he fully understood he was producing Noel’s debut solo album and didn’t make it too weird. The two tracks we’ve heard had loads of orgasm noises yes, but they were remixes made after recording was over; they were never intended for the album. This is how he described the two versions of If I Had A Gun they produced: 1. Acoustic Version- Used the vocals from Noel’s original demo, as they had the most feeling. - Features Gary Lucas on guitar (the guitarist and co-writer of Grace and Mojo Pin by Jeff Buckley). - Cello. - Grand finale: builds up with Hey Jude style drums to end with a church choir. - No wailing female vocals :-) Goddamn is this not what we all wanted this song to become after hearing the soundcheck version all those moons ago!2. Band Version- T-Rex style drums (replacing Noel’s plodding drums). - Strangeboy on guitar, sounding like My Sweet Lord. - It’s this version which was later remixed into SAHITS. - Linda Lewis sang some of the vocals you find annoying. She had a 5 octave range and did backing vocals on Bowie’s Aladdin Sane: 3. The Remix- Shoot A Hole was only ever a remix of version 2. - Here are a couple of making of videos where you can see Noel and Gaz working and bantering in the studio together: “That was great”: “We don’t all sound like Mariah Carey”: — I really want to hear version 1. Even taking a pinch of salt for Gaz’s hyperbole, it sounds so much better than the plodding Sardy version we ended up with. 🪱 |
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Post by Flashbax on Sept 25, 2023 16:23:42 GMT -5
If they did a live album for The Masterplan, what would your inclusions be? Acquiesce - Wembley 2000 Underneath the Sky - Soundcheck/acoustic session are the only two known versions Talk Tonight - Some early one Going Nowhere - ... Fade Away - early 1994 one, or Barrowlands 2001 The Swamp Song/Acquiesce - Maine Road 1996 I Am the Walrus - Earls Court 1995/2009 versions were great Listen Up - Vancouver 1995 Rockin' chair - Bournemouth 1995 Half the World Away - iTunes 2009 (It's good) to be free - Live by the Sea 1995 Stay Young - New York 1997 Headshrinker - Live by the Sea 1995 The Masterplan - Maine Road 2nd night 1996 |
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Post by The Chief on Sept 25, 2023 19:27:09 GMT -5
I'm guessing that the problem with the unreleased AA stuff is that ultimately Noel simply doesn't like the finished tracks. On the AA stuff we've heard with Noel/Oasis the extra wailing female lead vocals just unbalance everything and are are quite annoying and I suspect that's what could be putting him off releasing any more of this stuff. Noel could easily mix those vocals out I guess but then he risks the AA team being annoyed and complaining. In the end he's decided it's easier just to leave the whole mess locked in the vaults. By the way, has anybody managed to take that AA remix of Falling Down and use some new technology to mix out the annoying female lead vocals? Oh man, at the risk of opening this whole can of worms again, Gaz said several times he fully understood he was producing Noel’s debut solo album and didn’t make it too weird. The two tracks we’ve heard had loads of orgasm noises yes, but they were remixes made after recording was over; they were never intended for the album. This is how he described the two versions of If I Had A Gun they produced: 1. Acoustic Version- Used the vocals from Noel’s original demo, as they had the most feeling. - Features Gary Lucas on guitar (the guitarist and co-writer of Grace and Mojo Pin by Jeff Buckley). - Cello. - Grand finale: builds up with Hey Jude style drums to end with a church choir. - No wailing female vocals :-) Goddamn is this not what we all wanted this song to become after hearing the soundcheck version all those moons ago!2. Band Version- T-Rex style drums (replacing Noel’s plodding drums). - Strangeboy on guitar, sounding like My Sweet Lord. - It’s this version which was later remixed into SAHITS. - Linda Lewis sang some of the vocals you find annoying. She had a 5 octave range and did backing vocals on Bowie’s Aladdin Sane: 3. The Remix- Shoot A Hole was only ever a remix of version 2. - Here are a couple of making of videos where you can see Noel and Gaz working and bantering in the studio together: “That was great”: “We don’t all sound like Mariah Carey”: — I really want to hear version 1. Even taking a pinch of salt for Gaz’s hyperbole, it sounds so much better than the plodding Sardy version we ended up with. 🪱 After the reaction to WBTM, I can only imaging how this place would have been torn down in a fiery melting ball of wrath if this would have actually been his first solo record. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 25, 2023 23:19:25 GMT -5
Oh man, at the risk of opening this whole can of worms again, Gaz said several times he fully understood he was producing Noel’s debut solo album and didn’t make it too weird. The two tracks we’ve heard had loads of orgasm noises yes, but they were remixes made after recording was over; they were never intended for the album. This is how he described the two versions of If I Had A Gun they produced: 1. Acoustic Version- Used the vocals from Noel’s original demo, as they had the most feeling. - Features Gary Lucas on guitar (the guitarist and co-writer of Grace and Mojo Pin by Jeff Buckley). - Cello. - Grand finale: builds up with Hey Jude style drums to end with a church choir. - No wailing female vocals :-) Goddamn is this not what we all wanted this song to become after hearing the soundcheck version all those moons ago!2. Band Version- T-Rex style drums (replacing Noel’s plodding drums). - Strangeboy on guitar, sounding like My Sweet Lord. - It’s this version which was later remixed into SAHITS. - Linda Lewis sang some of the vocals you find annoying. She had a 5 octave range and did backing vocals on Bowie’s Aladdin Sane: 3. The Remix- Shoot A Hole was only ever a remix of version 2. - Here are a couple of making of videos where you can see Noel and Gaz working and bantering in the studio together: “That was great”: “We don’t all sound like Mariah Carey”: — I really want to hear version 1. Even taking a pinch of salt for Gaz’s hyperbole, it sounds so much better than the plodding Sardy version we ended up with. 🪱 After the reaction to WBTM, I can only imaging how this place would have been torn down in a fiery melting ball of wrath if this would have actually been his first solo record. Noel is a pussy but so are a lot of his fans. |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Sept 26, 2023 1:45:51 GMT -5
...Oh man, at the risk of opening this whole can of worms again, Gaz said several times he fully understood he was producing Noel’s debut solo album and didn’t make it too weird.. From my point of view the weirder the better - would love to hear the AA stuff but not if it has that female vocalist plastered over it. ...Linda Lewis sang some of the vocals you find annoying. She had a 5 octave range... And there lies the problem as Noel does NOT have 5 octave range and her vocals simply don't work when paired with him singing on the same recording. It's like listening to Dylan and Baez - might as well rub some sandpaper on my ears. Even if Lewis was singing this stuff on her own it wouldn't work. Noel's songwriting just isn't suited to these bombastic vocal gymnastics. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 26, 2023 2:39:41 GMT -5
...Oh man, at the risk of opening this whole can of worms again, Gaz said several times he fully understood he was producing Noel’s debut solo album and didn’t make it too weird.. From my point of view the weirder the better - would love to hear the AA stuff but not if it has that female vocalist plastered over it. ...Linda Lewis sang some of the vocals you find annoying. She had a 5 octave range... And there lies the problem as Noel does NOT have 5 octave range and her vocals simply don't work when paired with him singing on the same recording. It's like listening to Dylan and Baez - might as well rub some sandpaper on my ears. Even if Lewis was singing this stuff on her own it wouldn't work. Noel's songwriting just isn't suited to these bombastic vocal gymnastics. The only reasonable solution at this point is for them to release the stems, so we can all mix it ourselves 🧙♀️😂 To your assumption that the AA would be annoyed if the orgasm voices were edited out, I don’t think that’s the case. Gaz said they gave many songs long intros or outros which Noel could easily edit in or out if he wanted. He just couldn’t be arsed to do it. Or he could’ve just used the versions without extra vocals, like the IIHAG acoustic version described above which sounds amazing. I think disliking the orgasm voices is a moot point. They’d be easy to edit out and you’re assuming Noel doesn’t like them but maybe he does actually like them? After all he released the Falling Down remix, the WAL remix and SAHITS which all have them and he spoke very highly of these tracks at the time and used SAHITS as his live intro tape for several tours. He’s used female backing vocals more and more since then, both in the studio and live. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 26, 2023 5:09:25 GMT -5
Oh man, at the risk of opening this whole can of worms again, Gaz said several times he fully understood he was producing Noel’s debut solo album and didn’t make it too weird. The two tracks we’ve heard had loads of orgasm noises yes, but they were remixes made after recording was over; they were never intended for the album. This is how he described the two versions of If I Had A Gun they produced: 1. Acoustic Version- Used the vocals from Noel’s original demo, as they had the most feeling. - Features Gary Lucas on guitar (the guitarist and co-writer of Grace and Mojo Pin by Jeff Buckley). - Cello. - Grand finale: builds up with Hey Jude style drums to end with a church choir. - No wailing female vocals :-) Goddamn is this not what we all wanted this song to become after hearing the soundcheck version all those moons ago!2. Band Version- T-Rex style drums (replacing Noel’s plodding drums). - Strangeboy on guitar, sounding like My Sweet Lord. - It’s this version which was later remixed into SAHITS. - Linda Lewis sang some of the vocals you find annoying. She had a 5 octave range and did backing vocals on Bowie’s Aladdin Sane: 3. The Remix- Shoot A Hole was only ever a remix of version 2. - Here are a couple of making of videos where you can see Noel and Gaz working and bantering in the studio together: “That was great”: “We don’t all sound like Mariah Carey”: — I really want to hear version 1. Even taking a pinch of salt for Gaz’s hyperbole, it sounds so much better than the plodding Sardy version we ended up with. 🪱 After the reaction to WBTM, I can only imaging how this place would have been torn down in a fiery melting ball of wrath if this would have actually been his first solo record. If the acoustic If I Had A Gun version is really as Gaz describes it I think we’d have all fookin’ loved it! 🔫 |
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Post by The Chief on Sept 26, 2023 5:39:14 GMT -5
After the reaction to WBTM, I can only imaging how this place would have been torn down in a fiery melting ball of wrath if this would have actually been his first solo record. If the acoustic If I Had A Gun version is really as Gaz describes it I think we’d have all fookin’ loved it! 🔫 Oh yeah definitely but I meant the "far out" version of the album. These videos show all that could have been and the multiple layers and overdubs and sounds and playing around with pedals. WBTM was not "far out" just a bit different and people lost their shit. But yeah that acoustic version would have been better than the Sardy-ied version. |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Sept 26, 2023 14:28:12 GMT -5
...But yeah that acoustic version would have been better than the Sardy-ied version. Probably - but I'm a bit dubious about how it would sound at the end with a church choir. |
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Post by carlober on Sept 26, 2023 16:10:21 GMT -5
After the release of the Mustique demos, my personal holy grails are the DIV sessions and the AA album.
And the unreleased '98 demo For One So Young... which is out there but not for us mere mortals.
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Post by mossy on Sept 26, 2023 17:54:04 GMT -5
...But yeah that acoustic version would have been better than the Sardy-ied version. Probably - but I'm a bit dubious about how it would sound at the end with a church choir. Jeepers, Noel acoustic and choirs go together like chocolate and cheese & onion crisps. Using the demo vocals, a cello and a choir on IIHAG - these only sound like good calls by the AA to me. 🎻 |
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Post by morning_rain on Sept 27, 2023 2:59:05 GMT -5
After the release of the Mustique demos, my personal holy grails are the DIV sessions and the AA album. And the unreleased '98 demo For One So Young... which is out there but not for us mere mortals. I'm curious about the AA album, but the DIV one is my holy grail. Three weeks of sessions, 10 songs recorded (12 according to Richard Fearless), that's a whole Oasis album getting dust somewhere. To my knowledge not even the most hardcore collectors are in possession of this material. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 27, 2023 3:45:03 GMT -5
After the release of the Mustique demos, my personal holy grails are the DIV sessions and the AA album. And the unreleased '98 demo For One So Young... which is out there but not for us mere mortals. I'm curious about the AA album, but the DIV one is my holy grail. Three weeks of sessions, 10 songs recorded (12 according to Richard Fearless), that's a whole Oasis album getting dust somewhere. To my knowledge not even the most hardcore collectors are in possession of this material. What’s really tantalising about the DIV album is that Liam will be on vocals. The vast majority of studio bonus material on reissues from now on in will have Noel on vocals. Noel did the majority of the demos. Also, Noel seems to be more involved in the reissues than Liam, so while they’re estranged I suspect that even where good alternative takes from Liam exist, Noel will skew the material in his favour. If there really is a Liam DLBIA for example, he ain’t gonna be releasing it. |
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Post by morning_rain on Sept 27, 2023 4:45:35 GMT -5
I'm curious about the AA album, but the DIV one is my holy grail. Three weeks of sessions, 10 songs recorded (12 according to Richard Fearless), that's a whole Oasis album getting dust somewhere. To my knowledge not even the most hardcore collectors are in possession of this material. What’s really tantalising about the DIV album is that Liam will be on vocals. Agree. A whole unreleased studio album (10-12 tracks) with Liam on vocals. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 27, 2023 5:27:12 GMT -5
What’s really tantalising about the DIV album is that Liam will be on vocals. Agree. A whole unreleased studio album (10-12 tracks) with Liam on vocals. 🍆 |
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Post by mossy on Sept 27, 2023 6:05:03 GMT -5
I’ve been listening back to The Contino Sessions and Scorpio Rising this week and, although we know the Oasis songs DIV worked on weren’t the best, it’s hard not to get excited again hearing those punchy drums, crisp heavy guitars and psychedelic synths.
Is there an AI Wizard who can put Liam’s voice on this? Would’ve made a biblical opener to an Oasis album!
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